Creating a New World
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mk1154 said:
From everything I've read so far, and from my interactions with lots of people socially and professionally, I don't think it is objective to consider that there is only one type of people in the world. Not all people possess the same desire as some of us do in learning, understanding, and behaving in accordance to, the reality of ourselves and our world. As to why that is, it seems that programming is only but one factor, another would be genetics and/or brain structure, spiritual development stage, every combination of the above, and more that I can't think of right now. There are many studies under the Cognitive Science section of the forum that point to this difference among peoples on how they perceive the world and how they react to it.
We can't expect all people to share the same internal landscape. It is not realistic, it would be unfair to them, and it would frustrate us because we would keep expecting certain reactions and results in our microcosm or macrocosm that would never come to be. It would also be narcissistic, because it's like projecting our inner world into others instead of seeing them as who they really are.
And for me personally, this has been the most difficult of my narcissistic bubbles to break, and one with which I struggle to this day: to see other people as they are, not as I want/wish/imagine them to be. Truth is, not everybody wants to be master of their fate. Some people are happy to allow somebody else to do the big jobs for them, while they take care of their own microcosm. I don't blame them, I don't have the clue on how to create a new world or how to run it, I'd be happy if somebody more capable takes over this, and I can offer my help and skills once the plans are drawn ;D But I do know that to create a new world it is imperative that one understands the people within it (all people within it) to the best of one's abilities, and understands one's own self to the best of one's abilities, so as to not allow projections, biases and other such "obstructions" from muddying their view of what really IS.
My 2 drahmas....
Alana, yes... very well put and insightful in the objective reality view of the world we live in. Thank you. I haven't seen this very long topic of discussion before so will add to my reading list. Always something new popping up here.
mk1154
The Force is Strong With This One
Alana said:
I agree with what you say in general, but must disagree with the assertion that a system of anarchism would only allow for one type of person (I apologize if that is NOT what you were saying). On the contrary I would argue that a system of government only allows for two types of people; those which bow to authority and the authorities. We all, to some degree, accept the fact that there are people who rule over us and are able to use coercion to forcing us into obeying certain laws or behaving in certain ways. Anyone living under a system of government has transferred SOME, if not most, of their responsibility to an external authority. Government classifies people into two groups: the rulers and the slaves. To dismantle this system, in my opinion, would allow ALL types of individuals to prosper. I cannot accept that some people, due to their cognitive development, genetics, or whatever else, are destined to be slaves. I do accept that some people are more suited to be followers (myself included) than leaders, but this is very different from being forced to be either. If someone wants to voluntarily transfer some of their responsibility onto someone else or group of people that is not necessarily detrimental. It is only when the threat of violence comes into play where more serious problems arise.
Anyway, I don't wish to turn this discussion into a debate about anarchy, but it has become more clear to me that this very basic and entrenched idea of authority and right to rule needs to be thoroughly dealt with before there will be any hope of creating a new world in which we all are able to be free. Creating a new world, in my opinion, will require the examination of everything and anything that currently exists today and it will be important to think completely out of the box without making assumptions about any systems... no matter how long they have been in place and how critical they appear or how dependent we currently are on them.
Your comments on narcissism ring true with me I'm sure. Looking at how much my viewpoints have changed over the last few years I can't possibly begin to assume they won't change again. I have much work to do internally, but I do try to remain open as much as I can.
Pinkorchid
The Force is Strong With This One
First off, thank you for your question.
It has always amazed me that in a world where such high levels of Technology exist and advances in physics and medicine , even space exploration and other fields of endeavors, that we seem to be stuck on the "Isms "
So it seems that to live by an Ism " is to vibrate under the influence of a doctrine or system.
The words also lock us into a style or system of behavior a sort of poor reflection of the ideal of a collective whole.
It appears that is what we are searching for the wholeness that haunts our collective memories , but alas all we have been able to manage is a selection of inadequate substitutes.
How do we fundamentally break out of that construct and still attain the goal of wholeness?
Perhaps our search for wholeness only echo's a once remembered experience and that the solution does not lay with in the material world, but rather in an area that is relatively unexplored and that is the collective consciousness.
Perhaps the building blocks for this brave new world need to come from a unified concept of thought.
A leap into a level of experience that we have only brushed the surface of.
By it's very nature a collective conscious would hopefully truly represent the STO outlook.
Now how would this manifest in the concrete day to day lives of everyone?
Well I believe one of the prime directives of a collective consciousness , would be of course survival.
With that thought in mind a CC , would put its focus on maintaining the viability of the planet and members of the collective.
So unified thought would want to turn away from wars and the billions wasted in both the loss of life and the environment to one of perhaps utilizing the very same people who once took the front lines in battle to take the front lines in restoring the viability of Earth.
Through this new restorative approach , abundance would flow. More and more land could be made productive , using methods that don't destroy the environment.
The collective would engage very quickly in providing free energy to all. ( through the many and varied technologies that have been suppressed and often under utilized ).
The only dues that need to be paid are those to the Earth that provides the abundance on which we live.
The collective would not want to poison either the Earth or themselves , so that many of the medical conditions that we now suffer from would vanish and the use of many of the worlds abundant natural remedies would be employed.
An Earth collective would possibly be seen by other members of the Cosmos as now having reached a stage of maturity where trade and exchange would also be viable.
Who rules , no one does for that is to the collective ,an old and non-productive structure that has failed humanity from the beginning.
Instead we would have a collection of advisers that hold no political power but are thought of in the terms of think tanks and may advise but are not law makers nor law enforcers.
With natural abundance crime would fall and for those that find the need to still engage in activities viewed as nonproductive to the collective whole , they would be banished from communities ,until such a time as they were willing to contribute as others have. If they continue to cause disruption , then the community needs to address the basis for this behavior and employ ongoing counseling and guidance to these individuals. If after a period it is seen that they do not wish to work harmoniously with the community then they should be taken to an area where others of their ilk are and they could not interfere with the community.
Anything that the Community has an excess of , is traded with other communities , not for money by just as an exchange.
Like wise if you are skilled in an area you may wish to exchange for another services.
Under this community contract it is a given that all energy and food is free and that all trade their working day hours on such things as cloths , medical , entertainment and such.
When I say all that is all of humanity on the planet , all get free food and all get free energy.
Hours are traded for hours, so if you work 6 Hrs cleaning out a sewer it equals 6hrs that a chemist may work.
Children are not molded into certain occupations or social strata' s but rather given exposure to many different area's of interest and are guided through their interest and their strengths.
No job is considered more important than another , all are equal.
Every individual has the right to defend themselves and their loved one's but it has to be seen by the community as such and not as the sole expression of aggression to another, if so the above applies as in nonproductive to the whole.
A brave new world ehhh? perhaps , and only my vision and I am only one person ;D so can't possibly see the whole picture.
It has always amazed me that in a world where such high levels of Technology exist and advances in physics and medicine , even space exploration and other fields of endeavors, that we seem to be stuck on the "Isms "
http://www.english-for-students.com/ism.html
So it seems that to live by an Ism " is to vibrate under the influence of a doctrine or system.
The words also lock us into a style or system of behavior a sort of poor reflection of the ideal of a collective whole.
It appears that is what we are searching for the wholeness that haunts our collective memories , but alas all we have been able to manage is a selection of inadequate substitutes.
How do we fundamentally break out of that construct and still attain the goal of wholeness?
Perhaps our search for wholeness only echo's a once remembered experience and that the solution does not lay with in the material world, but rather in an area that is relatively unexplored and that is the collective consciousness.
Perhaps the building blocks for this brave new world need to come from a unified concept of thought.
A leap into a level of experience that we have only brushed the surface of.
By it's very nature a collective conscious would hopefully truly represent the STO outlook.
Now how would this manifest in the concrete day to day lives of everyone?
Well I believe one of the prime directives of a collective consciousness , would be of course survival.
With that thought in mind a CC , would put its focus on maintaining the viability of the planet and members of the collective.
So unified thought would want to turn away from wars and the billions wasted in both the loss of life and the environment to one of perhaps utilizing the very same people who once took the front lines in battle to take the front lines in restoring the viability of Earth.
Through this new restorative approach , abundance would flow. More and more land could be made productive , using methods that don't destroy the environment.
The collective would engage very quickly in providing free energy to all. ( through the many and varied technologies that have been suppressed and often under utilized ).
The only dues that need to be paid are those to the Earth that provides the abundance on which we live.
The collective would not want to poison either the Earth or themselves , so that many of the medical conditions that we now suffer from would vanish and the use of many of the worlds abundant natural remedies would be employed.
An Earth collective would possibly be seen by other members of the Cosmos as now having reached a stage of maturity where trade and exchange would also be viable.
Who rules , no one does for that is to the collective ,an old and non-productive structure that has failed humanity from the beginning.
Instead we would have a collection of advisers that hold no political power but are thought of in the terms of think tanks and may advise but are not law makers nor law enforcers.
With natural abundance crime would fall and for those that find the need to still engage in activities viewed as nonproductive to the collective whole , they would be banished from communities ,until such a time as they were willing to contribute as others have. If they continue to cause disruption , then the community needs to address the basis for this behavior and employ ongoing counseling and guidance to these individuals. If after a period it is seen that they do not wish to work harmoniously with the community then they should be taken to an area where others of their ilk are and they could not interfere with the community.
Anything that the Community has an excess of , is traded with other communities , not for money by just as an exchange.
Like wise if you are skilled in an area you may wish to exchange for another services.
Under this community contract it is a given that all energy and food is free and that all trade their working day hours on such things as cloths , medical , entertainment and such.
When I say all that is all of humanity on the planet , all get free food and all get free energy.
Hours are traded for hours, so if you work 6 Hrs cleaning out a sewer it equals 6hrs that a chemist may work.
Children are not molded into certain occupations or social strata' s but rather given exposure to many different area's of interest and are guided through their interest and their strengths.
No job is considered more important than another , all are equal.
Every individual has the right to defend themselves and their loved one's but it has to be seen by the community as such and not as the sole expression of aggression to another, if so the above applies as in nonproductive to the whole.
A brave new world ehhh? perhaps , and only my vision and I am only one person ;D so can't possibly see the whole picture.
Pinkorchid
The Force is Strong With This One
I felt a need to explain a little further the concepts I have put forward in the above synopsis of how a " New world vision" could be realized.
The video below I hope goes someway into explaining the different perspective , I believe that is needed in seeing the solutions to the problems we have today.
I show this video as an example of how our thinking needs to change on our approach. It of course is not personifying the whole concept but rather highlighting the possibility of viewing things differently.
The Global Consciousness Project
Meaningful Correlations in Random Data
http://www.damninteresting.com/retired/random-event-generators-predict-the-future/
Crime reduced in major cities through prayer-walking
Global annual military spending tops $1.2 trillion
Those of course are old figures imagine what is spent in today's world on death and conquest?
NOTE :- I believe there is not a lack of resources on this planet nor any lack of water, what I do believe is that both have been grossly mismanaged.
Take for instance the fable that we are running out of water , the Earth is mostly a closed Ecosystem and we have stored water out of that system. Think about all the bottled water in all the supermarkets and storage systems world wide and of course the manipulation of the weather by vested interests. Water has been held out of that natural system and as a consequence less is able to flow into the natural cycle, producing less evaporation and as a consequence less precipitation. Yes it will eventually find it's way back into the cycle , but the hording of water may be contributing to the lack of rain.
Now lets look at the viability of land usage for food production.
There are huge area's on this planet that could be turned into veritable food baskets for the planet , the only thing required is the the water and the people willing to work in both the supple of that water and the farming of that land.
Take for example Australia, Australia has for the most part been under utilized as a potential area for the growth of ton's of food for the planet , all Australia lacks in the water.
Her soil for the most part has never been farmed.
Huge vast area's of land are still in pristine condition and now a huge under sea water source has been located off the North East coast of Australia.
Scientists discover huge freshwater reserves beneath the ocean
What is required is the safe tapping into that water and the distribution of that water to the land situated in the vast interior of Australia.
Now that was just an example , I am sure other area's of the planet could also be Terra-formed in such a manner. This Terra-forming should of course be carried out with the best possible practices in farming that is now available to us.
Neither do I believe that the world is over populated , this is the meme that is told to us by those who want to predisposition us towards the acceptance of genocide as a solutions to as I said above their gross mismanagement of our resources and the skills of the people.
When a country level of quality of living increases , the number of births naturally decreases , if we increase the level of the living standards world wide , I believe the population would fall into line with the natural rhythm of the planet.
Anyway , I hope this has both inspired and cleared up some of my thoughts.
Thank you
Pinkorchid
The video below I hope goes someway into explaining the different perspective , I believe that is needed in seeing the solutions to the problems we have today.
I show this video as an example of how our thinking needs to change on our approach. It of course is not personifying the whole concept but rather highlighting the possibility of viewing things differently.
The Global Consciousness Project
Meaningful Correlations in Random Data
http://noosphere.princeton.edu/
http://www.damninteresting.com/retired/random-event-generators-predict-the-future/
Crime reduced in major cities through prayer-walking
Global annual military spending tops $1.2 trillion
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Global_annual_military_spending_tops_$1.2_trillion
Those of course are old figures imagine what is spent in today's world on death and conquest?
NOTE :- I believe there is not a lack of resources on this planet nor any lack of water, what I do believe is that both have been grossly mismanaged.
Take for instance the fable that we are running out of water , the Earth is mostly a closed Ecosystem and we have stored water out of that system. Think about all the bottled water in all the supermarkets and storage systems world wide and of course the manipulation of the weather by vested interests. Water has been held out of that natural system and as a consequence less is able to flow into the natural cycle, producing less evaporation and as a consequence less precipitation. Yes it will eventually find it's way back into the cycle , but the hording of water may be contributing to the lack of rain.
Now lets look at the viability of land usage for food production.
There are huge area's on this planet that could be turned into veritable food baskets for the planet , the only thing required is the the water and the people willing to work in both the supple of that water and the farming of that land.
Take for example Australia, Australia has for the most part been under utilized as a potential area for the growth of ton's of food for the planet , all Australia lacks in the water.
Her soil for the most part has never been farmed.
Huge vast area's of land are still in pristine condition and now a huge under sea water source has been located off the North East coast of Australia.
Scientists discover huge freshwater reserves beneath the ocean
http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/scientists-discover-huge-freshwater-reserves-beneath-the-ocean/story-fnjww010-1226778644615
What is required is the safe tapping into that water and the distribution of that water to the land situated in the vast interior of Australia.
Now that was just an example , I am sure other area's of the planet could also be Terra-formed in such a manner. This Terra-forming should of course be carried out with the best possible practices in farming that is now available to us.
Neither do I believe that the world is over populated , this is the meme that is told to us by those who want to predisposition us towards the acceptance of genocide as a solutions to as I said above their gross mismanagement of our resources and the skills of the people.
When a country level of quality of living increases , the number of births naturally decreases , if we increase the level of the living standards world wide , I believe the population would fall into line with the natural rhythm of the planet.
Anyway , I hope this has both inspired and cleared up some of my thoughts.
Thank you
Pinkorchid
Pinkorchid
The Force is Strong With This One
LOL sorry had to put this one up as well :-
It's all a matter of perspective , interesting that statement , "a matter" of "perspective".
Have fun
Pinkorchid
It's all a matter of perspective , interesting that statement , "a matter" of "perspective".
Have fun
Pinkorchid
khadi
The Force is Strong With This One
This is a short piece called (or given the name) "A Dream", written by Mirra Alfassa in 1954:
There should be somewhere on earth a place which no nation could claim as its own, where all human beings of goodwill who have a sincere aspiration could live freely as citizens of the world and obey one single authority, that of the supreme Truth; a place of peace, concord and harmony where all the fighting instincts of man would be used exclusively to conquer the causes of his sufferings and miseries, to surmount his weaknesses and ignorance, to triumph over his limitations and incapacities; a place where the needs of the spirit and the concern for progress would take precedence over the satisfaction of desires and passions, the search for pleasure and material enjoyment. In this place, children would be able to grow and develop integrally without losing contact with their souls; education would be given not for passing examinations or obtaining certificates and posts but to enrich existing faculties and bring forth new ones. In this place, titles and positions would be replaced by opportunities to serve and organise; the bodily needs of each one would be equally provided for, and intellectual, moral and spiritual superiority would be expressed in the general organisation not by an increase in the pleasures and powers of life but by increased duties and responsibilities. Beauty in all its artistic forms, painting, sculpture, music, literature, would be equally accessible to all; the ability to share in the joy it brings would be limited only by the capacities of each one and not by social or financial position. For in this ideal place money would no longer be the sovereign lord; individual worth would have a far greater importance than that of material wealth and social standing. There, work would not be a way to earn one’s living but a way to express oneself and to develop one’s capacities and possibilities while being of service to the community as a whole, which, for its own part, would provide for each individual’s subsistence and sphere of action. In short, it would be a place where human relationships, which are normally based almost exclusively on competition and strife, would be replaced by relationships of emulation in doing well, of collaboration and real brotherhood.
The earth is certainly not ready to realise such an ideal, for mankind does not yet possess sufficient knowledge to understand and adopt it nor the conscious force that is indispensable in order to execute it; that is why I call it a dream.
It is a source of inspiration for many residents of Auroville, where I live now. We are very far from realizing it.. though I do think earth is more ready now than when "A Dream" was written.
There should be somewhere on earth a place which no nation could claim as its own, where all human beings of goodwill who have a sincere aspiration could live freely as citizens of the world and obey one single authority, that of the supreme Truth; a place of peace, concord and harmony where all the fighting instincts of man would be used exclusively to conquer the causes of his sufferings and miseries, to surmount his weaknesses and ignorance, to triumph over his limitations and incapacities; a place where the needs of the spirit and the concern for progress would take precedence over the satisfaction of desires and passions, the search for pleasure and material enjoyment. In this place, children would be able to grow and develop integrally without losing contact with their souls; education would be given not for passing examinations or obtaining certificates and posts but to enrich existing faculties and bring forth new ones. In this place, titles and positions would be replaced by opportunities to serve and organise; the bodily needs of each one would be equally provided for, and intellectual, moral and spiritual superiority would be expressed in the general organisation not by an increase in the pleasures and powers of life but by increased duties and responsibilities. Beauty in all its artistic forms, painting, sculpture, music, literature, would be equally accessible to all; the ability to share in the joy it brings would be limited only by the capacities of each one and not by social or financial position. For in this ideal place money would no longer be the sovereign lord; individual worth would have a far greater importance than that of material wealth and social standing. There, work would not be a way to earn one’s living but a way to express oneself and to develop one’s capacities and possibilities while being of service to the community as a whole, which, for its own part, would provide for each individual’s subsistence and sphere of action. In short, it would be a place where human relationships, which are normally based almost exclusively on competition and strife, would be replaced by relationships of emulation in doing well, of collaboration and real brotherhood.
The earth is certainly not ready to realise such an ideal, for mankind does not yet possess sufficient knowledge to understand and adopt it nor the conscious force that is indispensable in order to execute it; that is why I call it a dream.
It is a source of inspiration for many residents of Auroville, where I live now. We are very far from realizing it.. though I do think earth is more ready now than when "A Dream" was written.
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Cooperation is the key.
If the society is like a body, we are the cells, and cells doesn't use money to exchange the different substances the body processes.
The capitalism will not last forever because a simple fact: Automation.
The more out technology progress, the more unemployment is generated. This is because the machines replaces the human labour. The PTB know this and they know too that once the automatization is so advanced that the unemployment is ubicuous, the masses, not having any earnings to access to food, housing or technology will rebel against them. They fear that moment so they are trying to convince us that there is overpopulation in the planet in order to make us accept the idea of a future population reduction.
The enemies of the PTB are:
1) High population: The higher the more difficult to control.
2) Decentralization of the power of decision: It can lead to a regional leader to rebel against the PTB leading its country/nation against them.
3) Technology and resources in the hands of the masses: They exercise their power through its use and its possession grants them control over the population.
For me, an ideal society would be one where any motivated human being could explore and use its knowledge and skils to help the humanity to go forward.
Competence duplicates efforts, cooperation save efforts.
Money, in any form, limits the resources one human can use. Money was great some time ago but I think it has no future.
Anyone could work in its area of specialty in the common benefit of the humanity, using the resources needed by the project and provided by the planet and the society, instead of needing money borrowed from the banks.
It is imperative to leave money behind because is one of the more powerful weapons the PTB use to control the humanity.
I think too that an evolved humanity need no leaders, because power in the hands of one person or a few persons is always dangerous: The worst ones seek it, and the best ones are corrupted by it.
The society can use computer programs to take decisions in common. Like strategy-simulation games or social networks. An advanced form of social social network based on resources, needs, which let the people assign resources to work on solve these needs would be a great idea. This can be developed in many ways, taking into account the knowledge of every user, so a surgeon that know nothing about electronics could not interfere in the decision of projects related with electronics (until he adquires knowledge about that), etc.
So I think the keys to create a new world would be:
1) Without money.
2) Work together in behalf of the common good.
3) Free and complete knowledge available to every human.
4) Intensive use of technology to automatize every work automatizable.
4) No leaders, take decisions in common (using software).
If the society is like a body, we are the cells, and cells doesn't use money to exchange the different substances the body processes.
The capitalism will not last forever because a simple fact: Automation.
The more out technology progress, the more unemployment is generated. This is because the machines replaces the human labour. The PTB know this and they know too that once the automatization is so advanced that the unemployment is ubicuous, the masses, not having any earnings to access to food, housing or technology will rebel against them. They fear that moment so they are trying to convince us that there is overpopulation in the planet in order to make us accept the idea of a future population reduction.
The enemies of the PTB are:
1) High population: The higher the more difficult to control.
2) Decentralization of the power of decision: It can lead to a regional leader to rebel against the PTB leading its country/nation against them.
3) Technology and resources in the hands of the masses: They exercise their power through its use and its possession grants them control over the population.
For me, an ideal society would be one where any motivated human being could explore and use its knowledge and skils to help the humanity to go forward.
Competence duplicates efforts, cooperation save efforts.
Money, in any form, limits the resources one human can use. Money was great some time ago but I think it has no future.
Anyone could work in its area of specialty in the common benefit of the humanity, using the resources needed by the project and provided by the planet and the society, instead of needing money borrowed from the banks.
It is imperative to leave money behind because is one of the more powerful weapons the PTB use to control the humanity.
I think too that an evolved humanity need no leaders, because power in the hands of one person or a few persons is always dangerous: The worst ones seek it, and the best ones are corrupted by it.
The society can use computer programs to take decisions in common. Like strategy-simulation games or social networks. An advanced form of social social network based on resources, needs, which let the people assign resources to work on solve these needs would be a great idea. This can be developed in many ways, taking into account the knowledge of every user, so a surgeon that know nothing about electronics could not interfere in the decision of projects related with electronics (until he adquires knowledge about that), etc.
So I think the keys to create a new world would be:
1) Without money.
2) Work together in behalf of the common good.
3) Free and complete knowledge available to every human.
4) Intensive use of technology to automatize every work automatizable.
4) No leaders, take decisions in common (using software).
khadi said:
Very good outline of what a healthy society could look like. Come to think of it, it describes hunter-gather societies very closely.
khadi
The Force is Strong With This One
SeekinTruth said:
I've never thought of it that way, thanks! Reflecting on why not... probably because of the context I know it in, with associations of "a city", a certain scale and density of people and activities. One thing that to me seems important is the difference between living in a close-knit group, where everyone 'knows each other', and living in a society large enough that there will always be 'strangers'. How to organize/evolve a collectivity that has its own intelligence, and its own immune system, so that individuals have the security needed to relax and grow.
