Cryogenic Chamber Therapy / Cold Adaptation

[Gawan]

Re: Cryogenic Chamber Therapy

Here's another video about Wim Hof:

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/244745-Wim-Hof-the-Iceman-regulates-his-vagus-nerve-to-withstand-extreme-cold

He is regulating his vagus nerve!

except from the headline wich was created by a SOTT Editor there is no mentioning that he is regulating his vagus in the article.

In the video there is a short sequence about it (starts at about 5:55).

What I'm wondering if the cold is made for everyone? Cause some people can withstand it more naturally and prefer coldness and some other more warm temperatures. For example in physiotherapies there are also different methods either hot or cold and for some people cold 'things' are more helpful then using warm 'things', or could do even damage. There is the question does your body tell/know, what is good for you? Eventually some studies/facts would be helpful for this matter.

 

[Cosmos]

Re: Cryogenic Chamber Therapy

Here's another video about Wim Hof:

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/244745-Wim-Hof-the-Iceman-regulates-his-vagus-nerve-to-withstand-extreme-cold

He is regulating his vagus nerve!

except from the headline wich was created by a SOTT Editor there is no mentioning that he is regulating his vagus in the article.

In the video there is a short sequence about it (starts at about 5:55).

ahh ok. sorry

 

[bngenoh]

Re: Cryogenic Chamber Therapy

Thought about this thread when i read this:

Research by a Danish physicist suggests that the explosion of massive stars – supernovae – near the Solar System has strongly influenced the development of life. Prof. Henrik Svensmark of the Technical University of Denmark (DTU) sets out his novel work in a paper in the journal Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society.

[...]

The remnants of these dramatic events also release vast numbers of high-energy charged particles known as galactic cosmic rays (GCR). If a supernova is close enough to the Solar System, the enhanced GCR levels can have a direct impact on the atmosphere of the Earth.

Prof. Svensmark looked back through 500 million years of geological and astronomical data and considered the proximity of the Sun to supernovae as it moves around our Galaxy, the Milky Way. In particular, when the Sun is passing through the spiral arms of the Milky Way, it encounters newly forming clusters of stars. These so-called open clusters, which disperse over time, have a range of ages and sizes and will have started with a small proportion of stars massive enough to explode as supernovae. From the data on open clusters, Prof. Svensmark was able to deduce how the rate at which supernovae exploded near the Solar System varied over time.

Comparing this with the geological record, he found that the changing frequency of nearby supernovae seems to have strongly shaped the conditions for life on Earth. Whenever the Sun and its planets have visited regions of enhanced star formation in the Milky Way Galaxy, where exploding stars are most common, life has prospered. Prof. Svensmark remarks in the paper, "The biosphere seems to contain a reflection of the sky, in that the evolution of life mirrors the evolution of the Galaxy."

In the new work, the diversity of life over the last 500 million years seems remarkably well explained by tectonics affecting the sea-level together with variations in the supernova rate, and virtually nothing else. To obtain this result on the variety of life, or biodiversity, he followed the changing fortunes of the best-recorded fossils. These are from invertebrate animals in the sea, such as shrimps and octopuses, or the extinct trilobites and ammonites.

They tended to be richest in their variety when continents were drifting apart and sea levels were high and less varied when the land masses gathered 250 million years ago into the supercontinent called Pangaea and the sea-level was lower. But this geophysical effect was not the whole story. When it is removed from the record of biodiversity, what remains corresponds closely to the changing rate of nearby stellar explosions, with the variety of life being greatest when supernovae are plentiful. A likely reason, according to Prof. Svensmark, is that the cold climate associated with high supernova rates brings a greater variety of habitats between polar and equatorial regions, while the associated stresses of life prevent the ecosystems becoming too set in their ways.

He also notices that most geological periods seem to begin and end with either an upturn or a downturn in the supernova rate. The changes in typical species that define a period, in the transition from one to the next, could then be the result of a major change in the astrophysical environment.

[...]

Although the new analysis suggests, perhaps surprisingly, that supernovae are on the whole good for life, high supernova rates can bring the cold and changeable climate of prolonged glacial episodes. And they can have nasty shocks in store. Geoscientists have long been puzzled by many relatively brief falls in sea-level by 25 metres or more that show up in seismic soundings as eroded beaches. Prof. Svensmark finds that they are what can be expected when chilling due to very close supernovae causes short-lived glacial episodes. With frozen water temporarily bottled up on land, the sea-level drops.

The data also support the idea of a long-term link between cosmic rays and climate, with these climatic changes underlying the biological effects. And compared with the temperature variations seen on short timescales as a consequence of the Sun's influence on the influx of cosmic rays, the heating and cooling of the Earth due to cosmic rays varying with the prevailing supernova rate have been far larger.

A shock to the system is necessary every once in a while, cold is good. ;)

 

[bngenoh]

Re: Cryogenic Chamber Therapy

Awesome thread,

The extra benefits of CT are a good plus as i see it, because i just did my first morning cold shower today, and man i am not going back to warm/hot showers again. i have been experimenting for a couple of weeks with cold showers, starting out warm and abruptly pushing it to the coldest it can get and counting to 180. It's been a very interesting experience, and i can vouch for the cool keenness of mind, along with the better skin quality ie tighter, that's probably why my biceps seem bigger. ;)

Now i am in the process of transitioning to full cold showers. It really is an awesome feeling, i feel more in contact with my body, ie more in the now.

On a side note the thing about dreams is interesting because i had a couple of dreams before i woke up this morning, one of which i was aging backwards, i was losing eyebrows and such. The sheer amount of dreams in which i am conscious, and thus being able to recall, have greatly increased. It quite fascinating to participate in this experiment, i am able to study my dreams like i study anything else, which is a state i wasn't able to get to before.

Go team Cassiopaea.

 

[Voyageur]

Re: Cryogenic Chamber Therapy

Here is a brief experience trying out a few therapeutic cold sauna sessions and unfortunately was not able to complete due to lack of time commitment the full complement (10 sessions), however, given the chance, would definitely schedule to make this happen again.

Anyway, the sauna was manufactured in Germany called a ‘Zimmer’ and it was said to be Japanese technology. The sauna was > 20 feet in length compartmentalize in three. The entry room was – 12 degrees Celsius and stayed for no more then 10 seconds to start wicking off skin moisture. The second room was – 60 degrees Celsius and like the first room, stayed for no more then 10 seconds. The cold room was -110 degrees Celsius and the stay was for 3 minutes. Prior to entry, a brief physical with blood pressure reading was done; wore socks and running shoes, bathing suite, head band and special insulating gloves. The third room was approximately 6 x 7 ft and walked around in a circle while continually moving extremities. As for the air differential between outside and inside this equals 135 degrees Celsius shift.

The first session felt not to bad, definitely an initial shock. The second session (3 hours later) was much easier and noted, unlike the first time, cold in my feet. The third time was actually very refreshing and talked with the therapist while walking (she was dressed warmly) who said that because of her arthritis, if it was not for this job she doesn't know how she would coup.

Effects: between first and second treatments, felt calm, read the new DCM publication and felt no ill effects. After the second, visual effects were briefly notes (landscapes) for some reason, soft pastel type colours which ebbed away. Ended up having to drive a few hours after that but was relaxed and awake. Was very tired early that night and had a good night sleep, dreams were vivid, too. After the last session two days later, had to drive for another 5 hours but was not uncomfortable and was well awake.

Realize that the beneficial effects cannot be fully realized without doing a full course of treatments so will hopefully get a chance to do this again but need at least three dedicated days.

 

[SeekinTruth]

Re: Cryogenic Chamber Therapy

Thanks for posting your experiences, voyageur. Hope you get a chance to do more sessions. :)

 

[Laura]

Re: Cryogenic Chamber Therapy

Here's another video about Wim Hof:

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/244745-Wim-Hof-the-Iceman-regulates-his-vagus-nerve-to-withstand-extreme-cold

He is regulating his vagus nerve!

except from the headline wich was created by a SOTT Editor there is no mentioning that he is regulating his vagus in the article.

In the video there is a short sequence about it (starts at about 5:55).

ahh ok. sorry

Pashalis, please work on taking time to look at things openly before "jumping the gun" and making assumptions. This is becoming a bit of a habit for you.

 

[Cosmos]

Re: Cryogenic Chamber Therapy

Here's another video about Wim Hof:

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/244745-Wim-Hof-the-Iceman-regulates-his-vagus-nerve-to-withstand-extreme-cold

He is regulating his vagus nerve!

except from the headline wich was created by a SOTT Editor there is no mentioning that he is regulating his vagus in the article.

In the video there is a short sequence about it (starts at about 5:55).

ahh ok. sorry

Pashalis, please work on taking time to look at things openly before "jumping the gun" and making assumptions. This is becoming a bit of a habit for you.

yes it does and I'll try to hold my horses in the future. I'm still sometimes not able to control them as I would like it .
what is kind of annoying is also that writing and acting here on the forum "more objectively" is much easier then to translate it to my "real life" and be the change I want to see. writing and understanding something intellectually and acting on that knowlege are two completely different shoes and it sure is hard as hell.

 

[truth seeker]

Re: Cryogenic Chamber Therapy

yes it does and I'll try to hold my horses in the future. I'm still sometimes not able to control them as I would like it .
what is kind of annoying is also that writing and acting here on the forum "more objectively" is much easier then to translate it to my "real life" and be the change I want to see. writing and understanding something intellectually and acting on that knowlege are two completely different shoes and it sure is hard as hell.

Perhaps this is something you may want to use the opportunity to take a closer look at (or revisit if it applies) in the swamp? We're here for you anytime you need it. ;)

 

[SeekinTruth]

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Just got out of my cold shower. I'm making it colder from the start each time. And then the final few minutes, just the cold water -- BRRR! -- the water here is REALLY cold. But I'm enjoying it right after turning off the cold water. In 3 to 5 minutes, I start feeling the "furnace" really kick in and I start feeling a pleasant warm sensation all over.

 

[Muxel]

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bngenoh, that article you posted! That might be Factor X! Hang on, lemme go ask Jack. "Supernova..."

Update: Got a "no". My question was as Reply #180 on Jack's CT11 blog post, and Jack's response was as Reply #181. Back to searching...

 

[Psalehesost]

Re: Cryogenic Chamber Therapy

It's interesting the extent to which how we experience cold depends on an interpretation made moment by moment.

For example: I had the experience, when lying down in bed at bedtime, of pulling a blanket over me - and soon it felt too cold - but when I pulled it back off, I became perfectly comfortable.

My guess is that the adaptive unconscious continually interprets the comfortableness of temperature in great part by habit as well as expectation/"narratives".

 

[Aiming]

Re: Cryogenic Chamber Therapy

My guess is that the adaptive unconscious continually interprets the comfortableness of temperature in great part by habit as well as expectation/"narratives".

Could be, and it explains why 'psyching oneself up' to taking the cold showers is neccessary/helpful in taking the first steps against these long-ingrained programming of what is pleasant and what is not.

I've been going step by step with the cold showers (started about a month ago), still not going into complete cold water, but beginning with cool and arriving at the coldest after a little while. As others have reported as well, I can't even stand warm water to wash my hands with anymore. My body seems to need/demand the coldness now. I haven't yet had any shivering experiences, only the sensation of some sort of burning/hurting feeling especially on my feet when under the coldest water. I'm definitely feeling much better since having the cold showers, and want to take those cold baths soon. Another thing I've observed is how a cold shower in the evening often brings up detox symptoms in the mornings. Once, after such an evening shower, I went to bed and dreamt, where I saw a close-up of my body being really busy with rewriting lines of dna, it seemed.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Re: Cryogenic Chamber Therapy

Anyway, the sauna was manufactured in Germany called a ‘Zimmer’ and it was said to be Japanese technology. The sauna was > 20 feet in length compartmentalize in three. The entry room was – 12 degrees Celsius and stayed for no more then 10 seconds to start wicking off skin moisture. The second room was – 60 degrees Celsius and like the first room, stayed for no more then 10 seconds. The cold room was -110 degrees Celsius and the stay was for 3 minutes. Prior to entry, a brief physical with blood pressure reading was done; wore socks and running shoes, bathing suite, head band and special insulating gloves. The third room was approximately 6 x 7 ft and walked around in a circle while continually moving extremities. As for the air differential between outside and inside this equals 135 degrees Celsius shift.

The first session felt not to bad, definitely an initial shock. The second session (3 hours later) was much easier and noted, unlike the first time, cold in my feet. The third time was actually very refreshing and talked with the therapist while walking (she was dressed warmly) who said that because of her arthritis, if it was not for this job she doesn't know how she would coup.

Effects: between first and second treatments, felt calm, read the new DCM publication and felt no ill effects. After the second, visual effects were briefly notes (landscapes) for some reason, soft pastel type colours which ebbed away. Ended up having to drive a few hours after that but was relaxed and awake. Was very tired early that night and had a good night sleep, dreams were vivid, too. After the last session two days later, had to drive for another 5 hours but was not uncomfortable and was well awake.

Just finished 2 sessions in this very machine, under the watchful eyes of Mr. Penguin. Eight more to go! My experience has been pretty similar. As our cryotherapist () told us, the first chamber is kind of like opening the fridge with your clothes off, the second is like running outside in the winter, and the third is, well, cold! Despite an initial shock from the super cold air, I actually find a cold shower to be more shocking (albeit, less cold)! But, yeah, it was pretty darn cold. I wouldn't say it was torture or anything, just... really cold. After about 1.5 minutes my shins started to 'burn', which is normal, apparently. We walked in circles, then switched directions at the halfway point. My solar plexus area shivered during the first session. Stepping back into the 1st chamber (-15) felt like stepping into room temperature! Afterwords, my arms were a bit pink, but not the lobster red we were told to expect. I didn't feel overly energetic or sleepy after the first session, but was pretty tired after the second. Still am, so we'll see how I sleep tonight.

As for the second session, we had full capacity (4 people plus the spa person), so the chamber got REALLY foggy, which was fun. Like a Winter Wonderland Adventure... in a crowded, enclosed space.... I focused on breathing through my nose and felt the hoarfrost start to form on my mustache. The second time through actually felt LONGER than the first, about equally as cold/unpleasant, but still fun. I made sure I was last one out in order to get a few extra seconds! Immediately afterward, as my skin was still cold, I felt very refreshed, like after a cold shower or a face dunk.

Even from only 2 sessions so far, I've noticed that the soreness in my lower back and right calf is much reduced. (I spent this last Saturday doing highway cleanup with my martial arts club for 8 hours, which left me feeling pretty sore.) I'll report more as it goes, and close just be saying that I'm looking forward to the next freeze!

 

[Voyageur]

Re: Cryogenic Chamber Therapy

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Even from only 2 sessions so far, I've noticed that the soreness in my lower back and right calf is much reduced. (I spent this last Saturday doing highway cleanup with my martial arts club for 8 hours, which left me feeling pretty sore.) I'll report more as it goes, and close just be saying that I'm looking forward to the next freeze!
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That's great you are getting the chance to do the full treatments and look forward to hearing how it goes - thanks for cleaning up the highway too! :)