DMSA for heavy metal detox - how long available?

[Gaby]

Only thing I can think of is it might be related to xanthelasma - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xanthelasma

Yeah, that could be it, and with a bad timing at that. DMSA is not the kind of thing that is related with xantehlasmas.

 

[mimimari]

Another change that I have noticed, is after ending the third detox cycle, I started to develop three small white bumps under and around my right eye. I don't think it's ache, they don't hurt or anything, they just showed up one day and are not going away. I don't know what they are.

Weird, that is the first time I read something of the kind. A strange coincidence? Can you find a pic on the net that is similar?

Only thing I can think of is it might be related to xanthelasma - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xanthelasma

I have never heard of Xanthelasma before, I think they look similar to acrochordons or skin tags which can also form around the eyes. I thought the bumps around my eye were skin tags because my aunt had them, but after doing some searching on the internet it looks like the bumps might be something called 'Milia'.

This site has a picture of what the small white bumps around my eye look like. _http://www.skinsight.com/adult/milia.htm

The site states:

Overview
Milia are commonly found on the skin of people of all ages. They are formed when keratin (a substance produced by the skin) becomes entrapped beneath the outer layer of the skin, forming a tiny cyst. An individual milium (the singular of milia) is formed at the base of a hair follicle or sweat gland.

Milia can be categorized as either primary or secondary. Primary milia are formed directly from entrapped keratin and are usually found on the faces of infants and adults. Secondary milia are also tiny cysts and look similar, but these develop after something clogs the ducts leading to the skin surface, such as after an injury, burn, or blistering of the skin

Who's At Risk
Milia can occur in people of all ages, of any ethnicity, and of either sex. Milia are so common in newborn babies (occurring in up to 50% of them) that they are considered normal.

Secondary milia may appear in affected skin of people with the following:
Blistering skin conditions, such as bullous pemphigoid, epidermolysis bullosa, and porphyria cutanea tarda
Burns
Blistering injury to skin, such as poison ivy
Following skin resurfacing procedures such as dermabrasion or laser resurfacing
Following long-term use of steroid creams
Chronic sun damage

Signs and Symptoms
Milia appear as 1–2 mm white-to-yellow, dome-shaped bumps that are not painful or itchy.
The most common locations for primary milia include:
Around the eyes, cheeks, nose, and forehead in adults and infants
On the gums and palate inside the mouth of infants; these milia are called Epstein's pearls, and they occur in up to 85% of infants
The most common locations for secondary milia include:
Anywhere on the body where another skin condition exists, particularly on the backs of the hands
On the faces of people who have had a lot of damage from sun exposure

Maybe I am exposed to too much sunlight? or Maybe my face is not sweating properly which is causing an infection or cyst to develop under my skin, in which case more FIR sauna might be able to help?

I'll keep an eye on them and see what they do and post any updates.

 

[hlat]

I am on day 3 of cycle 5. Near the end of day 1, I started noticing destabilizing effects like increased irritability and reduced patience.

Here are the brands of supplements I am using.

Supplement amounts for 1 cycle which consists of 14 days. 6 cycles needed.

DMSA 200mg, taking this amount 3 times per day, for only the first 3 days. Take on empty stomach 30 minutes before eating. Take alone without any other supplements.
_http://www.vrp.com/dmsa-100-mg-45-caps

ALA 100mg, taking this amount 2 times per day.
_http://www.vitacost.com/pure-encapsulations-alpha-lipoic-acid-100-mg-120-capsules

NAC 600mg, taking this amount 2 times per day.
_http://www.vitacost.com/pure-encapsulations-nac-600-mg-180-capsules-1

Vitamin C 3g, taking this amount 2 times per day.
I am taking 3 tablespoons twice a day of liposomal vitamin C that I make myself with these ingredients.
_https://inteligentvitaminc.com//cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=12_11&products_id=39
_http://healthforce.com/longevity-immunity/non-gmo-lecithin-powder

Zinc 50mg, taking this amount 1 time per day. Take on empty stomach.
_http://www.pureformulas.com/zinc-30-60-vegetable-capsules-by-pure-encapsulations.html

Selenium 200 mcg, taking this amount 1 time per day.
_http://www.pureformulas.com/selenium-selenomethionine-60-vegetable-capsules-by-pure-encapsulations.html

Vitamin B6 (pyridoxal phosphate) 50mg, taking this amount 1 time per day.
I am taking 2 of these.
_http://www.vitacost.com/thorne-research-pyridoxal-5-phosphate-180-vegetarian-capsules-1

Vitamin E 1000 IU, taking this amount 1 time per day.
I am taking 3 of these.
_http://www.vitacost.com/vitacost-natural-vitamin-e-400-iu-250-liquid-capsules-4

Melatonin 6mg, taking this amount 1 time per day. Take before bedtime.
_http://www.pureformulas.com/melatonin-3-mg-60-vegetable-capsules-by-pure-encapsulations.html

Taurine 200mg, taking this amount 2 times per day.
_http://pureformulas.com/taurine-500-mg-60-vegetable-capsules-by-pure-encapsulations.html

 

[hlat]

On day 12 of the current cycle, and I am getting tired of taking the supplements. I look forward to this cycle ending and then taking a short break before starting the next cycle.

 

[Kamino]

Hi, thanks for sharing your experiences.
I was reading through this thread wondering about the difference between DMSO vs. DMSA.

About 7 years ago, I did a heavy metal detox with oral DMSA/ IV DMSO. In my case the DMSO was administered 5 times, once a weak if I recall it right. It was a curing experience, moodlifting and energyzing, I really felt like a different person after.

I would recommend to first get rid of the dental mercury and metal fillings, in a safe way of course and then start to detox. You would have to detox again anyway, after the removal. I know this all is quite an expensive adventure, but worth every penny. At least to me it was :)

Currently I'm experimenting with Dr.Klinghardt's protocol, using cilantro tincture and high doses of a special chlorella algae. For those who are interested I included an youtube link, where he explains to Dr.Mercola how it works and why he does it that way:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmfjTpq8l_Y

Here he is talking about other diseases, which might be related to heavy metal toxicity:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkXqxRfG0jk

Hope it helps someone

 

[hlat]

I'd like to start cycle 6 sometime this month. I will be making an adjustment, taking about 2 Tbsp/30mL of liposomal vitamin C (instead of 3 Tbsp), which is nominally about 4g but effectively maybe 20g. I am making the reduction because I did notice upset stomach and loose stool during previous cycles, and I thought it could be due to too much vitamin C causing bowel intolerance.

 

[SMM]

A strange thought; although DMSA is for heavy metal chelation, what effect would it have on Ebola?

 

[hlat]

I started cycle 6 yesterday. Only noticed a little bit of gas and smelly urine today.

Here are the brands of supplements I am using.

Supplement amounts for 1 cycle which consists of 14 days. 6 cycles needed.

DMSA 200mg, taking this amount 3 times per day, for only the first 3 days. Take on empty stomach 30 minutes before eating. Take alone without any other supplements.
_http://www.vrp.com/dmsa-100-mg-45-caps

ALA 100mg, taking this amount 2 times per day.
_http://www.vitacost.com/pure-encapsulations-alpha-lipoic-acid-100-mg-120-capsules

NAC 600mg, taking this amount 2 times per day.
_http://www.vitacost.com/pure-encapsulations-nac-600-mg-180-capsules-1

Vitamin C 3g, taking this amount 2 times per day.
I am taking 2 tablespoons twice a day of liposomal vitamin C that I make myself with these ingredients.
_http://www.vitacost.com/nutribiotic-buffered-sodium-ascorbate-vitamin-c-powder-16-oz
_http://www.vitacost.com/healthforce-nutritionals-non-gmo-lecithin-powder-375-g

Zinc 50mg, taking this amount 1 time per day. Take on empty stomach.
I am taking 2 of these.
_http://www.pureformulas.com/zinc-30-60-vegetable-capsules-by-pure-encapsulations.html

Selenium 200 mcg, taking this amount 1 time per day.
_http://www.pureformulas.com/selenium-selenomethionine-60-vegetable-capsules-by-pure-encapsulations.html

Vitamin B6 (pyridoxal phosphate) 50mg, taking this amount 1 time per day.
I am taking 2 of these.
_http://www.vitacost.com/thorne-research-pyridoxal-5-phosphate-180-vegetarian-capsules-1

Vitamin E 1000 IU, taking this amount 1 time per day.
I am taking 3 of these.
_http://www.vitacost.com/vitacost-natural-vitamin-e-400-iu-250-liquid-capsules-4

Melatonin 6mg, taking this amount 1 time per day. Take before bedtime.
_http://www.pureformulas.com/melatonin-3-mg-60-vegetable-capsules-by-pure-encapsulations.html

Taurine 200mg, taking this amount 2 times per day.
_http://pureformulas.com/taurine-500-mg-60-vegetable-capsules-by-pure-encapsulations.html

 

[hlat]

VRP brand DMSA is no longer available on their website, but is still available at this site.
_https://www.pureformulas.com/dmsa-100-mg-45-capsules-by-vitamin-research-products.html

 

[Altair]

I started DMSA detox today: 600 mg on empty stomach. So far no Herx reaction. I'm following the protocol suggested in Detoxification and Healing (p. 112). Bakery suggest the dosis of 200mg per every 40 pounds of weight 3 times a day. Would it be too high to take 3*800 mg DMSA (my weight is 160 pounds)? Does DMSA cross blood-brain barrier (I found several articles that state the opposite, other state that it does)? Would it be a good idea to use DMSA with miniscule amounts of DMSO or is it too dangerous? Would the combination with EDTA make sense?

 

[Mikey]

I started DMSA detox today: 600 mg on empty stomach. So far no Herx reaction. I'm following the protocol suggested in Detoxification and Healing (p. 112). Bakery suggest the dosis of 200mg per every 40 pounds of weight 3 times a day. Would it be too high to take 3*800 mg DMSA (my weight is 160 pounds)? Does DMSA cross blood-brain barrier (I found several articles that state the opposite, other state that it does)? Would it be a good idea to use DMSA with miniscule amounts of DMSO or is it too dangerous? Would the combination with EDTA make sense?

If it's your first round ever, I'd stay with the protocol and see how it goes in the long run. Too early to deduce anything when it's the first day. Best not to hurry.

According to Wikipeidia, quoting a study, DMSA does cross the blood brain barrier in mice. It would be nice though to know something definite for humans. However, even if it doesn't, you still will remove mercury from other parts of your body, and this should at least indirectly remove mercury also from the brain because of osmosis -- this osmosis should work because mercury does cross the blood-brain barrier.

As for adding DMSO and/or EDTA: also best to wait and do things slowly. You don't want to overload and damage your excretion system.

 

[Altair]

I started DMSA detox today: 600 mg on empty stomach. So far no Herx reaction. I'm following the protocol suggested in Detoxification and Healing (p. 112). Bakery suggest the dosis of 200mg per every 40 pounds of weight 3 times a day. Would it be too high to take 3*800 mg DMSA (my weight is 160 pounds)? Does DMSA cross blood-brain barrier (I found several articles that state the opposite, other state that it does)? Would it be a good idea to use DMSA with miniscule amounts of DMSO or is it too dangerous? Would the combination with EDTA make sense?

If it's your first round ever, I'd stay with the protocol and see how it goes in the long run. Too early to deduce anything when it's the first day. Best not to hurry.

According to Wikipeidia, quoting a study, DMSA does cross the blood brain barrier in mice. It would be nice though to know something definite for humans. However, even if it doesn't, you still will remove mercury from other parts of your body, and this should at least indirectly remove mercury also from the brain because of osmosis -- this osmosis should work because mercury does cross the blood-brain barrier.

As for adding DMSO and/or EDTA: also best to wait and do things slowly. You don't want to overload and damage your excretion system.

Thanks Data, I'll stick to the protocol.

 

[davey72]

The DR. that was helping me with chelation told me to take alsa, for detox alongside the others, as it will cross the blood brain barrier as well.

I was also curious if low doses of Dmsa once in awhile would do any good at all?

 

[anartist]

I started DMSA detox today: 600 mg on empty stomach. So far no Herx reaction. I'm following the protocol suggested in Detoxification and Healing (p. 112). Bakery suggest the dosis of 200mg per every 40 pounds of weight 3 times a day. Would it be too high to take 3*800 mg DMSA (my weight is 160 pounds)? Does DMSA cross blood-brain barrier (I found several articles that state the opposite, other state that it does)? Would it be a good idea to use DMSA with miniscule amounts of DMSO or is it too dangerous? Would the combination with EDTA make sense?

Hi
The protocol my integrative medicine doctor gave me was 250mg of DMSA on four doses spread over the day for a daily total of 1000mg. The first day was the DMSA and intravenous EDTA, the following two days were DMSA only. That was for my first two cycles(3 days on, 11 days off), for the third cycle that I am presently on he increased the DMSA to 2 on awakening, 2 before sleeping, and 2 doses spread between the intervening times (say 8AM(2), 1PM(1), 6PM(1) 11PM(2)) for a daily total of 1500mg. Bakers protocol I thought had an upper limit of 2000mg per day?
I weigh 190 pounds, so your protocol would have me taking 950mg three times a day for a total of 2850mg. I would definitely expect a reaction at that level!
My doctor wanted to start me off slowly, and my first cycle I felt an effect, very tired. My second cycle was much less tiring, but I also increased my vitamin C. My third cycle is not causing tiredness also, but then I am taking about 25-30 gr of vitamin C spread out daily(my max dose at this time seems to be 42 gr of vitamin C). Plus I am always taking some ALA and NAC daily.
Sorry, the 2000mg limit came from http://www.dmsachelation.com/protocol/ which gives a protocol of 9-14mg DMSA per pound, 3 days on 11 days off.

 

[Altair]

Thanks, anarkist! Here are some interesting excerpts from http://www.dmsachelation.com/protocol/

DMSA cannot cross the blood brain barrier by itself. It needs to be combined with alpha-lipoic acid (very inexpensive at any pharmacy or walmart, walgreens etc) to do this. When all the mercury has been removed from the childs body THEN you can start removing it from the brain. This is the final stage. Do not add alpha-lipoic acid at the start of the DMSA treatment.

DMSA and the Blood Brain Barrier

As previously stated DMSA can NOT cross the blood brain barrier. One study exists with lab rats wherein the DMSA did cross the blood brain barrier. However these test animals were so toxic that their normal functioning was greatly impaired. The results have never been duplicated so its safe to say that DMSA cannot cross the blood brain barrier. DMSA must be taken in conjunction with alpha-lipoic acid to cross the blood brain barrier. After you have chelated the heavy metals from your body (know as ‘lowering your body burden’) you should then add alpha-lipoic acid with your DMSA to pull the mercury and other metals from your brain.