Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[RedFox]

Hi Adam

Keel talks a lot about the phenomenon targeting neurotics and ill-informed people. I can certainly see aspects of both in my own make-up and this is where more work is required - EE is definitely a great aid in that direction.

Today, during round breathing I had an encounter with the seemingly-unexplained (at ~6.55pm - 7pm, last hour of daylight). I breathe in a bedroom overlooking Brisbane city, with a fairly good view of the sky in the southerly direction, as the compass would have it. During the chest stage, I noticed a bright dot of light emerging from behind the city. It became much brighter and tripled (if not more) in size. It looked like it was heading in my direction.

Have you tried asking yourself what your emotional connection to 'UFOs' is? It seems that these things do have an impact of some sort on you emotionally (fear? fixation?).....and perhaps the two above quotes are the clue to why they show up during E-E? They are perhaps appearing to keep control of your emotional landscape....to keep your energy focused on 'them'. So as to not free yourself from them and regain control with E-E?
fwiw

Had a strange experience last week while doing the EE, during the round breathing part. It felt like something came in through the door, a voice in my head told me not to worry, but I could still feel fear, an unusual kind, from head to toe. Didn't like that voice, didn't trust it. Then another voice in my head started yelling LIGHT,LIGHT,LIGHT. The only thing I could think of was the pillar of light (page 133 Bringers of the Dawn) Still doing the round breathing, I imagined the pillar of light down through the top of my head and out through the solar plexus about five times. Finished the EE, was shaking, it felt like I had been dipped in ice water.

Afterwards sitting at the table, I remembered a voice from 22 years ago, that told me to go to my Aunt's house. The voice kept me from being killed. Memories flooded me, but I couldn't cry to help cleanse...

Sorry about the length of this post, hard to explain my thinking without the background. My partner and I did EE again tonight. During the round breathing, kept thinking, after reading alot on the forum this week, that the experience from last week, was really a challenge to think differently...

Hi anitasweetie
I think this is a pretty normal experience when it comes to the E-E program. The feeling of 'someone else' being there can be related to part of yourself you are unconscious of....a part of yourself you have dissociated from. That's not to say it always is....but its probably nothing to worry about.
The many voices where probably Little I's
Did all of this happen during or after the Round Breathing part? It has been recommended that should there be too much 'weirdness' going on that you should drop the Round Breathing part, and reintroduce it some time in the future (after a month or two of doing the program without it).
Doing the Prayer of the Soul every night before sleep (with a few pipe breaths before hand) is the most beneficial thing you could do I think. :)


Just wanted to add another update....more dreams but I think they are related to the effects of the E-E program so wanted to post them here.
Was feeling quite disheartened about pretty much everthing in my life last night....I realised whilst doing the pipe breathing that this is just the effects of no longer identifying with anything in my life.
Dreamt of my old house being empty except a little furniture, of helping prune thistles into a more balanced shape in the garden (this particular symbolism I really don't have a clue about?).....and finally dreamt of watching a video on the SoTT site from a conference Laura and the gang attended.
The background noise was really loud at this place, and one of the girls in the group said/signed 'Welcome to sign language'.....which I heard clearly. From there I could hear the announcer introduce a speaker over the top of the noise and chatter. The room was pretty dark except for the stage lights, and everyone was sat around round tables (Laura and gang where sat at the back of the room).
I went and sat (no longer watching a video) in the middle of the room to watch the speaker who I seemed quite excited about. His mic produced a lot of feedback/distortion which I pointed out and he corrected it enough for me to make out what he was saying....he was pretty dry/technical...and I'm not sure anyone else was listening, but I was riveted even though I couldn't completely follow what he was saying.
A woman sat to my left asked me if I knew what he was talking about? I tried to relay what I could....and this is what I remember.
It was a talk on a social mathematical modeling of the population under the influence of pathology. That is to say that it described our current world from an over view using maths to model the populations mechanical behaviour to the pathological influences, and although it wasn't said I don't think (I woke up half was through the presentation) it could probably be used to predict outcomes, as well as what inputs (i.e. what the pathology would try and do to influence the people).
An example I explained to the lady (although I also said it was not a good example....I was still trying to grasp the concept) was that of the fear generated in the population around the 'swine flu pandemic'. I asked her, what do you think of it now? She said she thought there was nothing to the pandemic...as it didn't happen. This flipping of mass opinion was part of the equation I said. The speaker mentioned the Iraq war as another example of a mass flipping of opinion.
The dream ended with me scrolling through the transcript of the presentation looking at the formulas and trying to take them in.

Now in hind site I know dreams can be an excellent source of disinformation.....and there may not be anything that's not already been covered by others in the dream....but it sure did have a large emotional impact on me. I woke up with butterflies in my stomach. Feeling excited and slightly queasy at what I'd just learnt.
I don't know if I have learnt anything...or if its deliberate misdirection...or if it was important though.
Still, it has given me a large desire to try and study the field of mathematical population modeling with a knowledge of pathology, hyperdimentional influence and 'man as machine' as a foundation.

 

[jhonny]

Hello everyone, although I do not speak perfect English I have tried to understand what I can, well, I'm doing the breathing pipe and the prayer of de soul daily for 4 weeks or so. I'm waiting for the translation into Spanish to be able to complete the EE program.
Anyway I've noticed some very positive changes in my behavior. I'm usually very anxious but like 2 weeks ago I noticed that I am very quiet, so I have a question .... since I started with the EE program I can sleep very well and very quiet (I usually slept only about 6 or 7 hours and now I can sleep up to 9 hours), but I have many dreams (especially about the past) ... is this normal???

 

[mkrnhr]

but I have many dreams (especially about the past) ... is this normal???

This is normal, and this is a good thing. You are using your dreams to clear your past. It is a therapy you are doing alone ;)

 

[manitoban]

Hello everyone, although I do not speak perfect English I have tried to understand what I can, well, I'm doing the breathing pipe and the prayer of de soul daily for 4 weeks or so. I'm waiting for the translation into Spanish to be able to complete the EE program.
Anyway I've noticed some very positive changes in my behavior. I'm usually very anxious but like 2 weeks ago I noticed that I am very quiet, so I have a question .... since I started with the EE program I can sleep very well and very quiet (I usually slept only about 6 or 7 hours and now I can sleep up to 9 hours), but I have many dreams (especially about the past) ... is this normal???

Hi jhonny,

Yes as mkrnhr says, this is normal. It's something a number of us have experienced - the program is bringing to the surface our suppressed emotions and feelings. Some of these buried emotions relate to people and situations from our past, hence they turn up in dreams as they are being brought out and to our attention. I also had this happen to me - I was dreaming about the past and people I haven't thought of for years.

You might want to check out the FAQ thread http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=14410.0 where all sorts of similar questions are addressed.

Great to hear you are noticing positive changes and better sleep!

 

[Biomiast]

Hi to all,

Today EE brought an interesting realization to me, osit.

Generally, I am a person who worries what others think about him and equates acceptance from outside with success which is a part of Predator's mind. For that cause, throughout my life, I tried to be "funny" while all I was doing was hurting others. I am aware of this for some time now, and I Work on it. Even though it is much less frequent now, I still have this fear and worry about what people think about me. Well, nothing new there, many of us have the same programming.

Today, my cousin asked me to talk with one of his students about her career. So I met with them and talked. As I talked, I felt something was missing. I wasn't worrying about finding the right words, appear as intelligent or funny. I was just going with the flow. Predator's Mind wasn't there at that moment. All I said and do came from something that knows what its doing. It was an amazing feeling that don't being have to worry about things like that, and it is energizing.

Well, it wasn't a permanent change. My old thinking came back slowly, yet it seems to be less powerful. The realization I get was that I am a fully capable, entertaining and intelligent being(sorry for the lack of humility, but I hope you know what I mean to say :)) without Predator's Mind. You might say: "Well, is that a new thing, we already know that, that is why we are working so hard to get rid of it."

You are right of course, but I have this powerful program, I don't know if any of you has it, that tells me I AM the Predator's Mind. Without it, all those people who are around me will go away because I won't be "funny" enough for them. Without it I would be nothing, I would dissolve in nothingness. Probably, it was Predator's Mind itself, yet I always identified with this thinking in a deeper level, and it is such a relief to realize that I won't be nothing at the end. It is like seeing an ideal world and come back to make it happen.

I don't know if it is too simple for you guys, but I think it was an important realization for me.

Just my two cents, fwiw.

 

[Nienna]

Hi to all,

Today EE brought an interesting realization to me, osit.

Generally, I am a person who worries what others think about him and equates acceptance from outside with success which is a part of Predator's mind. For that cause, throughout my life, I tried to be "funny" while all I was doing was hurting others. I am aware of this for some time now, and I Work on it. Even though it is much less frequent now, I still have this fear and worry about what people think about me. Well, nothing new there, many of us have the same programming.

Today, my cousin asked me to talk with one of his students about her career. So I met with them and talked. As I talked, I felt something was missing. I wasn't worrying about finding the right words, appear as intelligent or funny. I was just going with the flow. Predator's Mind wasn't there at that moment. All I said and do came from something that knows what its doing. It was an amazing feeling that don't being have to worry about things like that, and it is energizing.

I understand exactly what you are talking about here and I think that it is due to using the EE program. Isn't it quite liberating to not have that baggage there weighing you down? Even if it is not permanent - yet - it is nice to know the direction you are heading in.

 

[Horus_Risen]

I've been asking a lot of questions lately. Everyone has been very patient and supportive, thank you.

6 years ago, I was the victim of armed robbery while working at a pizza parlor late one night. Since then, I have been struggling with PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder) and anxiety/panic attacks. I find that this is at the root linked to the fear of death. I know we all are going to die eventually, but death becomes much more tangible and less "distant" when it is in your face.

I was wondering if anyone with the same disorder(s) have experienced any relief when practicing the EE program.

I am currently extremely interested on gradually reducing my dependency on anti-anxiety medication, namely Lexapro. I am currently on a 20 mg dose daily. Anxiety has made learning about certain topics here fairly uncomfortable and I obviously want to diminish this symptom.

I apologize if this is an inappropriate board.

Edit: moved to E/E thread

 

[Laura]

Horus, in your case, I would suggest doing the pipe breathing, three stage breathing, and the prayer/meditation for starters. See how that goes doing it daily for a month or so. If it was me, I would be decreasing my meds incrementally at the same time and see how things go. If I got off the meds over a period of a couple of months, and the program kept me stable anxiety-wise, I would continue that for a period before trying the round breathing.

 

[Human]

Hi!
A short update on my EE...

Doing POTS meditation with a few pipe breaths before it every evening before going to sleep and full EE program approx two times per week (not always Mon and Thu).
Been utilizing 'tongue up'-'tongue down' thing (as I haven't seen it in EE FAQ (No. 6), thanks to Redfox for a reminder ) during pipe breathing and have found that it has very much 'eased' the whole pipe breathing allowing to focus more on the entire body and not just on the breathing process itself.

Insomnia problem that I wrote about in my last post here went away the same as it had appeared.

Been slowly making dietary changes since December, but haven't seen big difference in overall system responce until started green clay detox treatment 3 weeks ago. Now I understand how emotional and mental detox is just not enough, but physical part of detoxification has to be done simultaneously.

I've started to feel things and understand what I'm feeling to some extent and not let my intellectual center fuel itself with that energy (still baby steps there) and accordingly started to see myself a little bit more objectively (at least I hope so).

 

[truth seeker]

Been slowly making dietary changes since December, but haven't seen big difference in overall system responce until started green clay detox treatment 3 weeks ago. Now I understand how emotional and mental detox is just not enough, but physical part of detoxification has to be done simultaneously.

Just wanted to say congrats on the progress you've been making! I've also found out (the hard way) that making some changes in diet can also greatly reduce the instances where the EE does the detoxing for you. If no dietary changes are made (and you're eating the standard poor diet of American culture at least) there's usually going to be some hell to pay. In my case, it was some form of stomach flu and also skin problems.

 

[Learner]

Hi,

I also want to add some of the experiences I already had with EE to this wonderful thread here. The other experiences I will add later, as it is quite late now and I still do want commit myself to do the full program this night. I hope, I then do not fall asleep before the end! ;D

Before joining the forum at the beginning of this week, I had already done EE practise since the mid of last November. I find it really helpful. I tried to meditate some times before (the last time in 2006), but to no much significant avail.
But I keep EE continuing since months. Although I did practise it not very regularly, I admit... Well, doing the POTS on many nights is something I succeeded in, but keeping up the full program twice a week is a challenge I still struggle with to master. Doing it not regularly is due to my often going to sleep very late and then being too tired. So I started to change with my daily routine and try to go to bed earlier. This change is not very easy, as I used to live the other way for years. But I will keep trying!

Now, here are some of the experiences and results:
Generally, I feel changing something very slowly inside me, it's hard to put it in words. It goes very slowly, very slightly, very still. My mother for example noticed it recently. "Inner Transformation" or "Healing Transformation" might be an expression that seems adressing it quite accurately, at least from my perspective.
I also used to suffer from hemorrhoids a bit, and that in a very young age (I probably inherited it from my father, he also got the same problems in his early twenties). Since I am doing the EE, it has much lessened, maybe due to the Pipe Breathing, that especially affects the vagus nerve (if I have understood Laura right).

Part II will follow tomorrow, want to go to EE and then straight to sleep.

But before I will do that, let me say Thank You to Laura, the Cs and the SOTT-Team, who launched that wonderful program!
And also Thank You to all the participants of this thread, who share their own experiences here. You have helped me to overcome my scrutiny and try it - I never regret, that I tried!

Learner

 

[anitasweetie]

"Hi anitasweetie
I think this is a pretty normal experience when it comes to the E-E program. The feeling of 'someone else' being there can be related to part of yourself you are unconscious of....a part of yourself you have dissociated from. That's not to say it always is....but its probably nothing to worry about.
The many voices where probably Little I's
Did all of this happen during or after the Round Breathing part? It has been recommended that should there be too much 'weirdness' going on that you should drop the Round Breathing part, and reintroduce it some time in the future (after a month or two of doing the program without it).
Doing the Prayer of the Soul every night before sleep (with a few pipe breaths before hand) is the most beneficial thing you could do I think. "

Thanks Redfox, for your answer. The little I's are telling me to run from anything, that I don't know. Going to stop the round breathing for a while, feeling out of balance, have to learn how to give back. :)
Thanks mods for fixing paragraphs.

 

[RGG]

I just couldn't get through the round breathing part of the program last night. I began to feel very uncomfortable and began moving my legs around in order to try to become more comfortable. Finally I just had to end that part of the meditation completely and get up and do something else. Thinking about this after the fact, I wonder if I was just calling too much to myself to handle properly- the analogy of trying to download the latest software on an old computer that doesn't have the capacity to integrate it properly comes to mind. I have this mistaken belief that forging ahead through discomfort and difficulty will be worth it- the old "no pain no gain" idea- but now I think what I experienced was a reminder from my higher self to let things unfold a bit more naturally. Has anyone else had this experience?

Rx

 

[celtic]

The meditation is really working for me but for some reason I just can't stop laughing I feel so happy
and relaxed.

 

[flashgordonv]

For me the big issue is not zoning out before I finish the pipe breathing and then the POTS. At this stage I cannot get through either without finding I have zoned out multiple times.