Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[Sinapi]

This week, I missed out doing BaHa on Monday due to my experiences of the previous week. On Thursday, what a day – a very wet sauna followed by lots of elimination throughout the day – as afar as EE is concerned, it was a case of wet-eyes and yawning during three-stage breathing, wet eyes during BaHa and a micro zone out during the third cycle, coming out to catch the end of it.

Something is definitely going on (besides getting used to eating coconut oil).

Hi Trevrizent. I had the 'micro-zoning' out happen as well--it happened twice the other night, once during the BaHa and once during the meditation. It was a sort of 'time lapse'--don't know how else to explain it. During BaHa, Laura's voice was there, then gone, then back again in another segment! Is this what happened to you? It was not my mind wandering!
Its been one heck of a week for me as well. Mr.A and I are 'homeless' (as of mid-April) and we are going to have to post on that after the Super Moon gathering! A part of me feels like this is a huge release into the unknown and to be seen as an adventure, though. Lots of tear shedding as well.

The same thing happened to me yesterday night! Actually, it was the first time I ever noticed it happening; I was doing the baha portion and suddenly woke up into the meditation portion. I think I kind of messed up, though; I was thinking, "Argh, I missed the beginning of the meditation!" and turned the audio off. I was so tired that I did two recitations of the prayer, and went to bed. Next time, if that happens, I'll just jump in!

And I'm sorry about your circumstances, SolarMother. Please tell us what happened whenever you feel like it; my heart goes out to you.

 

[D Rusak]

Yesterday after we finished POTS in the Big Apple, and just meditating, I had a visualization of a bright light up in the sky, like a sun. It was radiating light/energy around it. Eventually a "beam" of light came down, I followed it down and it shone on a coastal area (down to eye level with a beach, where the land curved around). Made me think of the land curves around out by Santa Monica in CA, but that area's been on my mind for other reasons. Then I followed the light back up again and it sort of zoomed off to outer space.

Anyway I found this interesting since I don't usually have these specific visualizations. Usually my main effect is just eyes tearing, I don't zone out either too often unless I am really tired (especially if I am doing it lying down). Then it's even not so much zoning out as snoring out

 

[Divide by Zero]

Hi Trevrizent. I had the 'micro-zoning' out happen as well--it happened twice the other night, once during the BaHa and once during the meditation. It was a sort of 'time lapse'--don't know how else to explain it. During BaHa, Laura's voice was there, then gone, then back again in another segment! Is this what happened to you? It was not my mind wandering!
Its been one heck of a week for me as well. Mr.A and I are 'homeless' (as of mid-April) and we are going to have to post on that after the Super Moon gathering! A part of me feels like this is a huge release into the unknown and to be seen as an adventure, though. Lots of tear shedding as well.

On the full moon event I had a lot of micro zoning out during the meditation. It probably helped a lot that I was on a very comfy couch laid back at an angle. Usually I don't zone out when doing EE alone unless I am very tired.

Sorry about your situation, I wish you both much luck.

 

[Don Diego]

Just to add my personal testimony in this huge thread I would like to relate a strange experience I had last week doing EE.

During the BahHa section,immediately after the beginning,I fell half asleep(I never sleep usely even during meditation)and heard Laura's voice as a distant rhythmic discourse like if the voice handed out some knowledge or at least something I had to absorb but with beyond understanding words;then it slowed down at the first stage and I wake up,felt a bit frustated to have sink and sweaty,wondering what has happened:then I fell again half sleep,the voice in the background going on and it wasn't no more a speech but a rhytmic listing of names like By(Bah) so-and-so(Ha),by...so-and-so,etc...till the second slow down when I wake up again sweaty and disturbed by all these names impossible to remember or understand;last stage I stayed alert and upset.
It's been 3 months we do EE my wife and I and noticed much better clarty of vision,peaceful insights in our family life and much more vivid dreams.

 

[Harold]

I haven't posted on the forum for over half a year but I have been keeping up with EE and find it very beneficial. Just want to give a update here. :)

... it was a case of wet-eyes and yawning during three-stage breathing, wet eyes during BaHa and a micro zone out during the third cycle, coming out to catch the end of it.

Hi Trevrizent. I had the 'micro-zoning' out happen as well. It was a sort of 'time lapse'--don't know how else to explain it. During BaHa, Laura's voice was there, then gone, then back again in another segment! Is this what happened to you? It was not my mind wandering!

I too have had these experiences. Other than that my EE experience is pretty uneventful. I am looking forward to attending EE class to find out if I am practising EE technically correct. I notice that I belly breath as a regular state. This is good, don't know if EE gets the credit here as I have had breath training throughout my life. But now I pay attention and notice my belly not my chest goes in and out. :)

It is what has taken place in my life that I find interesting. Since doing EE the changes have been subtle and profound. It is like my adult life long heart felt goals and desires are a possibility, not just desires anymore. For example, negative thoughts/introject have been a life long desire/goal. Since EE, my mind is peaceful and positive way much more of the time. No need to 'think' about judging situations, just a general state of not knowing whats really going on and a sort of satisfaction in that ideal. I don't know if this is good or bad either. At times it worries me a little to have an empty mind, which is funny as I have desired a realease from the negative thinking for as long as I can remember. Over all this really blows my mind when I look back over this period of doing EE. :)

I spend more of my time thinking about remembering to smile, remembering to change my gait when walking, remembering to change my swagger when walking, remembering to notice my body language, remembering to pay attention to my tone of voice, remembering to be externally considerate with my words and actions etc. This makes me laugh at myself allot more and it makes it very difficult to have 'other' thoughts like judgment etc. It is way more enjoyable this way, specially in traffic...lol :)

Well, I think this is enough sharing for my first posting here in 7 months, as I could go on about improvements to my life long desires of improving my addictive behaviors.... just grateful is all. :)

 

[Gawan]

Just to add my personal testimony in this huge thread I would like to relate a strange experience I had last week doing EE.

During the BahHa section,immediately after the beginning,I fell half asleep(I never sleep usely even during meditation)and heard Laura's voice as a distant rhythmic discourse like if the voice handed out some knowledge or at least something I had to absorb but with beyond understanding words;then it slowed down at the first stage and I wake up,felt a bit frustated to have sink and sweaty,wondering what has happened:then I fell again half sleep,the voice in the background going on and it wasn't no more a speech but a rhytmic listing of names like By(Bah) so-and-so(Ha),by...so-and-so,etc...till the second slow down when I wake up again sweaty and disturbed by all these names impossible to remember or understand;last stage I stayed alert and upset.
It's been 3 months we do EE my wife and I and noticed much better clarty of vision,peaceful insights in our family life and much more vivid dreams.

Have you done it at a different time then usual, that means later on?

 

[Don Diego]

No,always monday and thursday morning,why?

 

[Gawan]

No,always monday and thursday morning,why?

I speculated that you may have been tired. But you did it in the morning, so that option can be excluded.

 

[Meager1]

I just wanted to check in and report that there isn`t much to report.

Things seem to have leveled off for the most part, I still deal with issues of course but at least now, I see that I have issues!
It was not always that way.

Until the diet and the EE, the detoxing and adding certain supplements etc, I was living in almost total brain fog, I wonder now how "anything" got through to me at all.

The sad part is that you can`t know this at the time, because the fog is more or less a shield against it, not much gets through.
Things are changing for the better and I`m just grateful that I got through the worst of it..!

 

[Alada]

[quote author=Harold]
I notice that I belly breath as a regular state. This is good, don't know if EE gets the credit here as I have had breath training throughout my life. But now I pay attention and notice my belly not my chest goes in and out. :)
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I notice that too, and likewise not completely sure where the credit goes but I think EE plays a big part. Its as if your body re-learns how to breath and takes it from there, so yes, you catch yourself and notice that your automatically belly breathing. Or of someone says "take a deep breath", you breathe from the belly. :)

[quote author=Harold]
It is what has taken place in my life that I find interesting. Since doing EE the changes have been subtle and profound. It is like my adult life long heart felt goals and desires are a possibility, not just desires anymore. For example, negative thoughts/introject have been a life long desire/goal. Since EE, my mind is peaceful and positive way much more of the time. No need to 'think' about judging situations, just a general state of not knowing whats really going on and a sort of satisfaction in that ideal. I don't know if this is good or bad either. At times it worries me a little to have an empty mind, which is funny as I have desired a realease from the negative thinking for as long as I can remember. Over all this really blows my mind when I look back over this period of doing EE. :)
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It's good to hear you're getting these benefits from EE. I know how draining the negative though loops can be, it can be quite a feature in my own psychology but as you say, having more calmness overall and having the right 'tools' to hand when things are though helps keep that kind of thinking from arising or interfering too long when it does. I think the difference now is there is something can be done about it, where before there's nothing but the negative thoughts. And yes, great in traffic - maybe best to stick just to belly breathing, not too much pipe breathing on the move or definitely no round breathing! Or warriors breath for those with sunroofs!

[quote author=Meager1]
Until the diet and the EE, the detoxing and adding certain supplements etc, I was living in almost total brain fog, I wonder now how "anything" got through to me at all.

The sad part is that you can`t know this at the time, because the fog is more or less a shield against it, not much gets through.
[/quote]

Know what you mean with the brain fog. For me I think gluten/dairy plays a big part there. When you learn how they can break down into peptides that to the body resemble opiates its no wonder! Then add lots of refined sugar and carbohydrates into the mix and its no wonder.

 

[broken.english]

Just to add my personal testimony in this huge thread I would like to relate a strange experience I had last week doing EE.

During the BahHa section,immediately after the beginning,I fell half asleep(I never sleep usely even during meditation)and heard Laura's voice as a distant rhythmic discourse like if the voice handed out some knowledge or at least something I had to absorb but with beyond understanding words;then it slowed down at the first stage and I wake up,felt a bit frustated to have sink and sweaty,wondering what has happened:then I fell again half sleep,the voice in the background going on and it wasn't no more a speech but a rhytmic listing of names like By(Bah) so-and-so(Ha),by...so-and-so,etc...till the second slow down when I wake up again sweaty and disturbed by all these names impossible to remember or understand;last stage I stayed alert and upset.
It's been 3 months we do EE my wife and I and noticed much better clarty of vision,peaceful insights in our family life and much more vivid dreams.

I call this semi-zoning out and I had it too. To my knowledge it has not been discussed here, but after 21 months of EE I dare to declare this as an absolutely harmless side effect. Just go ahead.

 

[Ollie]

Just to add my personal testimony in this huge thread I would like to relate a strange experience I had last week doing EE.

During the BahHa section,immediately after the beginning,I fell half asleep(I never sleep usely even during meditation)and heard Laura's voice as a distant rhythmic discourse like if the voice handed out some knowledge or at least something I had to absorb but with beyond understanding words;then it slowed down at the first stage and I wake up,felt a bit frustated to have sink and sweaty,wondering what has happened:then I fell again half sleep,the voice in the background going on and it wasn't no more a speech but a rhytmic listing of names like By(Bah) so-and-so(Ha),by...so-and-so,etc...till the second slow down when I wake up again sweaty and disturbed by all these names impossible to remember or understand;last stage I stayed alert and upset.
It's been 3 months we do EE my wife and I and noticed much better clarty of vision,peaceful insights in our family life and much more vivid dreams.

I call this semi-zoning out and I had it too. To my knowledge it has not been discussed here, but after 21 months of EE I dare to declare this as an absolutely harmless side effect. Just go ahead.

I would say that this is a positive 'side effect', it may be that it is your unconscious mind's protective system preventing you going fully into zoning out to release some emotional issues, as you may not be ready to experience that release just yet. Well, that's my take on what is happening to me. :) Last Saturday, at a group EE session, I either fell half asleep or half zoned out (I think it may well be the former) and missed all of PotS and a lot afterwards.

 

[SeekinTruth]

[quote author=Harold]
I notice that I belly breath as a regular state. This is good, don't know if EE gets the credit here as I have had breath training throughout my life. But now I pay attention and notice my belly not my chest goes in and out. :)

I notice that too, and likewise not completely sure where the credit goes but I think EE plays a big part. Its as if your body re-learns how to breath and takes it from there, so yes, you catch yourself and notice that your automatically belly breathing. Or of someone says "take a deep breath", you breathe from the belly. :)

[quote author=Harold]
It is what has taken place in my life that I find interesting. Since doing EE the changes have been subtle and profound. It is like my adult life long heart felt goals and desires are a possibility, not just desires anymore. For example, negative thoughts/introject have been a life long desire/goal. Since EE, my mind is peaceful and positive way much more of the time. No need to 'think' about judging situations, just a general state of not knowing whats really going on and a sort of satisfaction in that ideal. I don't know if this is good or bad either. At times it worries me a little to have an empty mind, which is funny as I have desired a realease from the negative thinking for as long as I can remember. Over all this really blows my mind when I look back over this period of doing EE. :)
[/quote]

It's good to hear you're getting these benefits from EE. I know how draining the negative though loops can be, it can be quite a feature in my own psychology but as you say, having more calmness overall and having the right 'tools' to hand when things are though helps keep that kind of thinking from arising or interfering too long when it does. I think the difference now is there is something can be done about it, where before there's nothing but the negative thoughts. And yes, great in traffic - maybe best to stick just to belly breathing, not too much pipe breathing on the move or definitely no round breathing! Or warriors breath for those with sunroofs!

[quote author=Meager1]
Until the diet and the EE, the detoxing and adding certain supplements etc, I was living in almost total brain fog, I wonder now how "anything" got through to me at all.

The sad part is that you can`t know this at the time, because the fog is more or less a shield against it, not much gets through.
[/quote]

Know what you mean with the brain fog. For me I think gluten/dairy plays a big part there. When you learn how they can break down into peptides that to the body resemble opiates its no wonder! Then add lots of refined sugar and carbohydrates into the mix and its no wonder.


[/quote]

Great to hear all the benefits from EE, Harold, Meager1, and Alada. And I can definitely concur with you in my own experiences with EE, diet changes and detoxing.

 

[Wisteria]

Hi! I thought I would let you know that I practiced the full EE program (minus Warriors Breath) for the first time in quite a while yesterday, and I am happy to report that there were no issues - it was a lovely experience once again. :)

While I was having a break from the full program, I did attempt to recite the POTS at night before falling asleep, but I had considerable difficulty in doing so. I didn't feel the rage that I experienced a few weeks ago, but I find that at night (generally speaking) I have incredible difficulty in maintaining focus. When I practice during the day, I don't seem to have this problem. Has anyone else experienced this?

Its been one heck of a week for me as well. Mr.A and I are 'homeless' (as of mid-April) and we are going to have to post on that after the Super Moon gathering! A part of me feels like this is a huge release into the unknown and to be seen as an adventure, though. Lots of tear shedding as well.

I'm so sorry to hear that you are having a challenging time SolarMother. I really hope that it all turns out for the best. At least you know that you have a forum to share if you feel the need to.

 

[Ollie]

While I was having a break from the full program, I did attempt to recite the POTS at night before falling asleep, but I had considerable difficulty in doing so. I didn't feel the rage that I experienced a few weeks ago, but I find that at night (generally speaking) I have incredible difficulty in maintaining focus. When I practice during the day, I don't seem to have this problem. Has anyone else experienced this?

Yes, I have experienced something like this. I can say that often it appears that something is attempting to stop me reciting PotS just before I go to sleep. It's a question of persevering, of going back to the beginning until you manage a full rendition. It can be frustrating, can take time, but if you calmly persevere to go against what ever it is that is attempting to block you, you can get there.

As far as my experiences for the week are concerned. On Sunday I did a group session and recalled very little, if any, of PotS from the moment Laura started talking to the music at the end. As it was late, well past my normal bedtime, I may have dozed rather than zoning out.

On Monday I had wet eyes during BaHa, and on Thursday I was yawning in both the three stage breathing and in the BaHa sections, with partially wet eyes in the latter.

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