Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[Jeremy F Kreuz]

The last two sessions (Sunday and Monday) I started to focus on the third eye. It was difficult to do so and it caused a concentrated pain in between the eyes. Sunday I managed to get a hold of some sort of fixed point where I could concentrate on. This helped a lot to deal with the incoming thoughts that seem to be the way the predator is trying to divert my attention and disrupt the breathing sessions. There are a set of thoughts or patterns that always occur when I do the breathing:

- A thought about a co- worker in my job as bike courier.
- The image of the best friend of my father.
- Sexual thoughts about an old relationship.
- How rewarding it would be to write about my experiences on the forum, harvesting admiration.
- Looking forward to smoking a cigarette after the session
- Looking forward to the end of the session and trying to shorten it.

Focusing on the third eye helped me to control and push those thoughts out. At the end of the sunday session I started to see some weak flame that got bigger when I focused my breath on it.

On Monday something strange happened though. I had much more trouble concentrating on the third eye and could only do it by focusing on the pain. I could not see a spot of light nor anything else to hold on to. As I continued to try, half way the Baha, my eyes closed shut. It felt like my eyelids were glued to my eyes. It is a very bizarre physical experience. When I normally close my eyes, I can still look and see, like for instance a spot between the eyes or sometime images that flash by. Now I could not see anything, I could only feel how my eyes were shut, glued and no effort could open them. It felt like I was sleeping while being conscious aware of not sleeping. I tried to focus on the pain between my eyes, but the pain disappeared. I felt like giving up and only by forcing myself consciously to continue I could hold on. Then suddenly this feeling of glued eyes disappeared and I could look again behind my closed eyes. The light spot of the third eye was back.

I don’t know what this was or what it means. It gave me the impression though that for the first time I felt how deep asleep I am in normal life. It felt like I realized that I was deep asleep and no effort could wake me up. As I was trying to unglue my eyes it felt like I was a patient in deep coma, who is trying to wake up, but does not get there (yet). I also started to realize how toxics influence this access to the third eye and how they influence the ability to concentrate. Since four weeks I am gluten and dairy free, but I have not started with the ultra simple diet nor supplements. I still have lots of mercury in my teeth. So it seems that I have to do something about it if I want to unglue those eyes and get access to the third eye.

 

[SeekinTruth]

I just want to make clear that Laura has recommended to always do some pipe breathing before the POTS and also bring your focus and awareness to the third eye area during POTS. That's where I got the idea to do the pipe breathing with eyes closed and focus/awareness/attention on the third eye area before POTS, as well. For some reason, it helps the focus and concentration, besides the pipe breathing helping to get into a meditative state, which is why Laura recommended it.

So just a clarification, it is recommended to always do some pipe breathing before POTS and have the focus/attention/awareness during POTS on the third eye area. And if it works for you as it does for me, you can do the same (focus on third eye area) during the pipe breathing before starting the POTS.

 

[Turgon]

I just want to make clear that Laura has recommended to always do some pipe breathing before the POTS and also bring your focus and awareness to the third eye area during POTS. That's where I got the idea to do the pipe breathing with eyes closed and focus/awareness/attention on the third eye area before POTS, as well. For some reason, it helps the focus and concentration, besides the pipe breathing helping to get into a meditative state, which is why Laura recommended it.

So just a clarification, it is recommended to always do some pipe breathing before POTS and have the focus/attention/awareness during POTS on the third eye area. And if it works for you as it does for me, you can do the same (focus on third eye area) during the pipe breathing before starting the POTS.

I don't remember anything specifically said about focusing awareness on the third eye area until you mentioned it earlier on in this thread. Laura did mention visualizing a waterdrop to focus attention on and to come back to if you get lost in dissociative thoughts.

Today while Pipe breathing, I listened to classical music and focused on making sure my body was taking nice, relaxed breathes in and out, and I naturally just started to 'feel' something in the third eye area about 2/3rd's of the way into it, fwiw.

 

[Wisteria]

While I was having a break from the full program, I did attempt to recite the POTS at night before falling asleep, but I had considerable difficulty in doing so. I didn't feel the rage that I experienced a few weeks ago, but I find that at night (generally speaking) I have incredible difficulty in maintaining focus. When I practice during the day, I don't seem to have this problem. Has anyone else experienced this?

Yes, I have experienced something like this. I can say that often it appears that something is attempting to stop me reciting PotS just before I go to sleep. It's a question of persevering, of going back to the beginning until you manage a full rendition. It can be frustrating, can take time, but if you calmly persevere to go against what ever it is that is attempting to block you, you can get there.

I have observed this too. some unknown Resistance to do POTS before sleep, Sleep while sitting to do POTS etc. With some serious self reminders , this can be corrected. Crying became a norm for me particularly after long work day.

I've found that doing about 6 to 8 pipe breaths with eyes closed, while bringing your "focus/awareness to the 'third eye area'" (that is slightly above the eyes) before starting the nightly POTS in bed helps quite a lot to be able to focus and go into a deep meditative state throughout the POTS. If you don't do this already, it may be worth a try.

Yes stick with it, it'll come. I find when reciting the prayer in bed at night I have to spend some time only belly breathing and focusing on that, before beginning to recite the prayer.

It does drift in and out of focus sometimes, but not always, and if you're aiming to relax and go to sleep anyway don't worry about it too much if you don't hold focus for more than a few rounds. ;)

I shall continue to persevere and try to be more patient with myself. Perhaps I might also return to listening to the audio at night again so that my mind has something a little more solid to grasp onto.

Once again, thank you all for your comments and recommendations. I seriously do not know why I allowed myself to suffer alone for so long when you were all just a few keyboard strokes away.

 

[forge]

During meditation and beginning of POTS faint rotating DNA-like configurations appear, as viewed from side, at from above. Rotating spiral-galaxy like things as well. Always zoning out nowadays. Biggest problem that i can't shout the Warriors Breath, only a few times in nature. So it has been practiced as silent 'wheezing' and that bad, because stress release inhibition, it seems. That became one of my aims to move to a place, where my shouts can shake the lone house and nobody gets disturbed like now would be in the block! :D

 

[Graalsword]

Yesterday in POTS I saw deep blue and purple lights. Lately I have been having some problems to focus during all meditation and have some dissociative thoughts. But last time I could reduce it.

 

[Ollie]

Last Monday I experienced wet eyes during BaHa, and during the session on Thursday, I was yawning during BaHa and once again, tended to drift off in the middle, losing track of my breathing in time with Laura.

 

[Jefferson]

Last Monday I experienced wet eyes during BaHa, and during the session on Thursday, I was yawning during BaHa and once again, tended to drift off in the middle, losing track of my breathing in time with Laura.

I have experienced wet eyes during BaHa as well, and I find I often find excuses to leave Bioenergetic breathing out of from EE. I have experienced a type of catharsis as I was doing BaHa in front of my fireplace where it was warm, and emotions just washed over me, and the tears started streaming down my cheeks and I rolled over in fetal position. I know inside that there would be room for more emotional release but it is as if the predator finds excuses for me to leave this part out. I have also drifted during BaHa.


Here is a bit of an comment on my emotional state that reminds me that I likely do have healthy emotions but I have just been damaged over the years:

(I would like to tell at some point some of the things I've been through that maybe has resulted in me not being in close touch with my emotions these days. However, I have vivid memories feeling for other people as a child, feeling what they were feeling, whether it was live or on TV)

I remember one incident as a little boy playing at the park with older kids in a sandbox where there was this one darker skinned boy's little cars left in the sandbox. The darkskinned boy was playing way off in another part of the park and some of the older "mean" boys said, "let's hide his cars in the sand, sit on them, and tell him that we saw someone else run off with the cars, then when he leaves WE will take the cars home" - I was afraid, I was maybe 4-5 years old, and I didn't dare speak up, and I did what I was sold and sat on 2 little matchbox cars. The dark-skinned boy came back and the older kids so convincingly lied to him that after some suspicious glances left and sullenly walked home - I remember clearly how I wanted to speak up, but I was afraid of getting bullied (as these boys were the stick pokers, punchers, bulliers so I wudda got it), so I kept quiet. The boy waited quite some time for us to leave and started to get suspicious but we didn't let him look under us - it was obvious theft of the high seas right in front of his eyes. Anyway I eventually walked home with my 2 cars, some of the loot, with very heavy pockets. I remember feeling so bad for the boy that he lost his stuff, not so much that I did "evil" in front of God or something, as the religous programming hadn't started with me really by that time. I promptly told my mother who admonished me but it just got left. I remember to this day what those older boys said while smiling , "yeah I saw they took that special truck with the winch on it as they left and I couldn't stop them" or something like that... giving themselves away but saying it so smoothly and slickly - playground pathology.

It was likely during EE when I remembered this incident. Anyway, I will keep up EE and share more of my experiences as I continue.


Jefferson

 

[Ollie]

There seems to be a pattern developing with my recent experiences of EE. Once again, on Monday, I was yawning and had wet eyes during the three-stage breathing, drifting off during BaHa, and for a change zoned out for much of PotS. On Thursday, it was a similar story – yawning and wet eyes during both three-stage breathing and BaHa.

 

[Gawan]

I have done the full ÉE program after one week, well what a release. :)

There seems to be a pattern developing with my recent experiences of EE. Once again, on Monday, I was yawning and had wet eyes during the three-stage breathing, drifting off during BaHa, and for a change zoned out for much of PotS. On Thursday, it was a similar story – yawning and wet eyes during both three-stage breathing and BaHa.

It was similar to me yesterday, tears during beatha and the prayer and I felt a heat in the solar plexus area and lots of tingling. Afterwards I was highly energized and couldn't almost go to bed.

 

[seek10]

I've found that doing about 6 to 8 pipe breaths with eyes closed, while bringing your "focus/awareness to the 'third eye area'" (that is slightly above the eyes) before starting the nightly POTS in bed helps quite a lot to be able to focus and go into a deep meditative state throughout the POTS. If you don't do this already, it may be worth a try.

Hi, the third eye area is slightly above the eyes? something happend last week in that area... -I remembered reading that if there any bright lights we should try to maintain them, I was trying to do that and out of the blue and in the middle it appeared another more brilliant some sort of flash area? and I also felt it!! it was warm, It's color was more bright and creamish as it came i, it went away too ... it was quick, the warm feeling remain a little more though.

Yes, the third eye is slightly above on the frown, space between the eyebrows.

By practicing concentrate in the third eye, I remember seeing a bright lights but I did not give much importance. I didn't knew it was important until now. I will watch try next time.

Thanks. sometimes I got confused with the unknown dimension of the mind/brain? ...

Lot of eastern meditation systems and Guru systems talk of finding the GOD. Most of the times they ask the person to meditate on the 3rd eye until lights appear from pure blackness and wandering mind. They also say only persistent self control, divine guidance, pure habits , right guidance creats this. they say that one can find swirling colors , most beautiful music . That's what they call it God. Impression I got from some of these systems is this is where Phenomenon starts and Rest of it accompanies with good and bad starts there.

 

[Str!ke]

FWIW I would like to share an experience I've been having recently for the past three days, and ask a question I've been wondering recently.

So far, it has been eleven months since I've began with EE program. I thought I was having very big emotional releases , but in the past three days after watching for the 3rd time the video of EE (Its incredible how much you can see new things that in the past you couldn't see before).

After watching it, I was really more focused and careful about my breathing than in the past, and after pretty much doing Pipe Breathing all day; later at night I was having a lot of mixed emotions together, and in that time I was reading a book of Bio-energetics (particularly a chapter about how to download the repressed emotions that are stored within your body) and when doing the exercises of the book, I was feeling mostly a lot of anger and frustration, and was hitting the bed with a racket and shouting with all my strength on the pillow (hopefully the loud shouting didn't bother my family, even though I talked with them that I was going to shout). Basically I was remembering lots of things that I was holding in myself like all the anger, sorrow, but little I know that the next days were going to be way more intense.

The next day, I was still feeling a lot of contained and suppressed emotions that I wasn't totally aware, (since a kid I remember that whenever I felt an emotion I wouldn't express it, but now I try to let them out). In the afternoon something strange happened, (with the exercises of bio-energetics I feel that I'm more in contact with how my body is), and suddenly I felt like every emotion I was containing, they came out all at once, it was so intense I could barely move, I've never felt something like that before, and tried my best to feel every single bit of it but after a while , I was feeling very weak, was even hard to breathe, I just laid on my bed and slept three times in about 5 hours. The next day of this I was still feeling very weak, but still having a lot of emotions and remembering experiences that I had when I was a kid , I even came back to my addictions of childhood and remembered what was the origin of those addictions (eating chocolates, and mostly whole grains, and playing an old game), couldn't stop eating them until the end of the day.
I just can't imagine how intense the emotional cleansing is for other people with the EE, I'm just eighteen and its amazing how immense these feelings are that I didn't allow myself to feel and I thought I was feeling them..

Now I still feel that urge for those "addictions" but after knowing what was the origin I could just feel the urge and not let it take me where it wants to. ( I still feel weak and with lots of emotions at once). And since yesterday I've been feeling a weird sensation in my left elbow up to the little finger like a nerve or line that is pressing over that area (elbow up to little finger), I feel too a pressure in my heart, as well as in my throat like a knot( and to me that knot was telling me that I needed to shout , to let out all the things that I suppressed and after shouting, the knot went away). Another thing I felt in my body was a burning sensation in my lower right abdomen (have been feeling that since 2 years ago), like if my intestine was consuming itself inside out, it feels very strong and over a large area, I feel it everyday and makes me sometimes feel very angry and hopeless, and its not until I let out that anger ,that the burning sensation is lessen, but other times it won't lessen and swell/bloat all my abdomen to the point I can't even defecate, I still feel it, it sometimes won't let me sleep or do other things. This, I think, is my "main" problem, every single day *sigh*..

-The question I'd like to ask is : What is the proper way to deal with emotions?
After reading and searching in the forum, as far as I could understand from how to deal with it is:
Acknowledge it, Feel every bit of it, Express it, and Work your way to know what is triggering them so you can be aware of the program and change it? Is it like that? Is there more than that?
(So in example. If I'm feeling anger, first is recognize that I'm angry. Second, feel it don't run away from it.Third,express it like hitting the pillow , or shouting. Fourth, think what is making me angry and what triggers that emotion, in which situation I feel like that. And finally be aware of whenever I'm feeling angry and in which moment?. Is is like that?)

Thanks in advance for your attention!. Any advice/suggestion is appreciated :)

 

[doublea1535]

In the past few weeks something in my thoracic released which opened up my pelvic core. I now have greater access and awareness into that area, and can stretch it with greater ease than before. Which has in turn opened up my two highest vertebrae, my axis and atlas. They are rotated on the left side towards the front of my body, and have been locked into that position. Lately I can feel them slowly letting go and working themselves back into place, which is reducing the tension applied to my head and makes it easier to concentrate. Which is a great development for me, because now I can work on strengthening and building up my core. I have a Rolfing appointment soon which I am looking forward to, it should help coax my neck back into it's proper position.

 

[doublea1535]

-The question I'd like to ask is : What is the proper way to deal with emotions?
After reading and searching in the forum, as far as I could understand from how to deal with it is:
Acknowledge it, Feel every bit of it, Express it, and Work your way to know what is triggering them so you can be aware of the program and change it? Is it like that? Is there more than that?
(So in example. If I'm feeling anger, first is recognize that I'm angry. Second, feel it don't run away from it.Third,express it like hitting the pillow , or shouting. Fourth, think what is making me angry and what triggers that emotion, in which situation I feel like that. And finally be aware of whenever I'm feeling angry and in which moment?. Is is like that?)

I find it helpful to understand what it is that I am really angry about. I have found that when I honestly acknowledge the source of my anger, the anger dissipates and I am left feeling sad.

 

[Ollie]

-The question I'd like to ask is : What is the proper way to deal with emotions?
After reading and searching in the forum, as far as I could understand from how to deal with it is:
Acknowledge it, Feel every bit of it, Express it, and Work your way to know what is triggering them so you can be aware of the program and change it? Is it like that? Is there more than that?
(So in example. If I'm feeling anger, first is recognize that I'm angry. Second, feel it don't run away from it.Third,express it like hitting the pillow , or shouting. Fourth, think what is making me angry and what triggers that emotion, in which situation I feel like that. And finally be aware of whenever I'm feeling angry and in which moment?. Is is like that?)

I find it helpful to understand what it is that I am really angry about. I have found that when I honestly acknowledge the source of my anger, the anger dissipates and I am left feeling sad.

You may find advice, given to me on the forum some time ago,useful or not.

Hi Trevrizent:

I hardly consider myself an “expert” in this area, and can only pass on the techniques that have “worked” for me in this area over the years, FWIW.

I began intensely “work on” my own emotions long before I formally undertook “the Work”. At the time I was very immersed in the “Seth” material, and found much of value there to help me. Seth spoke of people being afraid, almost “phobic” of their emotions, resulting in one’s emotions getting “stuck”. He described emotions as being naturally “fluid”, and emphasized that if allowed to run their course unimpeded, they have a clear beginning, middle, and end, and will naturally “dissipate”. The problem comes when that cycle is impeded by fears and/or beliefs of the person experiencing the emotion, by the person’s low tolerance of emotional pain, what psychologists would call “affect tolerance”. As I came to understand it, the keys to letting an emotion fully cycle and ultimately dissipate are:

• Adopt a neutral, non-judgmental attitude t the emotion, seeing it as the equivalent of a physical pain or sensation. In other words, do not view the emotion as “negative” or “positive”, or yourself as “bad”, “pitiful”, or “out of control” for experiencing the emotion.
• Recognize that the emotion is NOT YOU, merely an energy that is moving and expressing itself THROUGH you. Try not to identify with it, try to let a part of you impassively observe it even as you are fully feeling it.
• Concentrate on fully FEELING the emotion, all the while recognizing that you will NOT get “stuck” in the emotion, nor will you DIE or be physically harmed by it.

A technique that I regularly used at the beginning of my work in this area, when I felt the most overwhelmed and frightened by the emotions I was releasing from my body, was to adopted a physical posture that would really allow the emotion to MOVE THROUGH my body and really allow me to FEEL IT. For me it was one of two positions: either lying spread-eagled on the floor (face up or down), or in the same position against a flat wall. For some reason this really helped me to FEEL and/or visualize the emotions moving throughout my entire body, peak in intensity, then exit my body into the ether.

An analogy that worked for me was that of the athlete who seeks to increase his physical endurance, so that he can perform at a higher level. He disciplines himself to feel the physical pain of taxing his muscles, knowing that the pain will decrease over time as his muscles grow stronger. In the same way, I came to view the pain of fully experiencing my emotions as “temporary”, and would remind myself that over time my “tolerance” (“affect tolerance”) of emotional pain would increase, with the result that each emotional “cycle” would gradually become “shorter” and more efficient, as my emotional “muscles” became stronger.

But the most important thing I got from the Seth material, and my experiences in this area, was the absolute necessity of recognizing that your emotions are not YOU, cannot harm you, and will eventually dissipate if allowed to fully “cycle”; and that to impose any kind of ‘value judgment” on them, can only impede that cycle.

Dunno if this makes any sense to you, in terms of what you are experiencing. Take it for what it’s worth.