Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[Iron]

Since last week I have been feeling a diffuse anger, belonging to no specific object. Stated after a full session two weeks ago and it is now just under the surface influencing my thinking. So far , I avoided for the most part to externally manifest it, but in thoughts I havent been so lucky.

When this anger during EE comes up, have you also a pillow next to you, that you could punch to release it? Or maybe shout it out during the warriors-breath.

My two cents.

The angers appered a day after the full session. Usually I do warrior breathing in "silence" for I live with four other people. But yesterday I used a tip from there and did the warrior breath in the shower, shouted and felt much better. However later on the same day, the anger ressurfaced and after being coaxed by a friend to talk I ended up talking about the inconsideration of people towards one another, (things not related to me, but that I saw in others), the cruelty of some mothers to their sons, and the general state of the world.
I took care that it would not devolve into a pity party or that I attempt to feed. I hope I were sucessful.

Anyway, after saying this I was quite better, but later in the day I became angry-ish again. At least I did not vent the anger on nobody and most people had no idea I was angry, only this friend that knows me better than most.

 

[Mrs.Tigersoap]

A couple of weeks ago I stopped in the hall to speak with one of the nursing students I know and noticed she was extremely tense and experiencing rapid, shallow breathing. She was waiting to go in for an oral exam on clinical procedures and was experiencing some extreme anxiety as one poor grade on their exams can get these students removed from the entire program. Although I was between classes myself and had less than ten minutes free, I impulsively asked her if she would like to learn a breathing technique that would immediately help relieve some of her stress—she enthusiastically replied “YES!” So right there, standing in the middle of the hall, I showed her how to do the pipe breathing technique. Jean is very smart, takes direction well, and learns fast, so she was able to pick it up in just the couple of minutes we had. Here are some of emails she sent to me later.

“I just wanted to say THANK YOU for the breathing lesson yesterday. It saved me - and one of my classmates - and I passed my summative check off with circulation to my hands and everything! I owe you - seriously - and want to learn more! "Survival" is now my password on my CSM account, and breathing may make it possible!

Thank you again............!!
Jean”

I just went a bit back in this thread and I just noticed your post, Shellycheval! This is so great! It's almost crazy how people can have so many benefits with such a simple technique! Sometimes, when I explain one of the EE techniques to students, they raise an eyebrow, as if to say 'that's it?' and so I add "Don't be fooled by the apparent simplicity of the techniques, they work wonders!" Then they try and they understand what I meant!

 

[Iron]

A couple of weeks ago I stopped in the hall to speak with one of the nursing students I know and noticed she was extremely tense and experiencing rapid, shallow breathing. She was waiting to go in for an oral exam on clinical procedures and was experiencing some extreme anxiety as one poor grade on their exams can get these students removed from the entire program. Although I was between classes myself and had less than ten minutes free, I impulsively asked her if she would like to learn a breathing technique that would immediately help relieve some of her stress—she enthusiastically replied “YES!” So right there, standing in the middle of the hall, I showed her how to do the pipe breathing technique. Jean is very smart, takes direction well, and learns fast, so she was able to pick it up in just the couple of minutes we had. Here are some of emails she sent to me later.

“I just wanted to say THANK YOU for the breathing lesson yesterday. It saved me - and one of my classmates - and I passed my summative check off with circulation to my hands and everything! I owe you - seriously - and want to learn more! "Survival" is now my password on my CSM account, and breathing may make it possible!

Thank you again............!!
Jean”

I just went a bit back in this thread and I just noticed your post, Shellycheval! This is so great! It's almost crazy how people can have so many benefits with such a simple technique! Sometimes, when I explain one of the EE techniques to students, they raise an eyebrow, as if to say 'that's it?' and so I add "Don't be fooled by the apparent simplicity of the techniques, they work wonders!" Then they try and they understand what I meant!

On a similar tone, a friend with breathing problems all his life was really distressed that the drugs to clear the airways were not functioning anymore. So I steped in and showed him how to do the three stage breathing.
A week later he thanks me that one of his nostrils is completely clear and the other is 70% clear. He said that this happened in just a few days of practice, and he is looking forward to do more of it.

 

[Iron]

As for me, after a fairly rough week feeling sad and anxious,zoning out massively during the prayer ( returning only in the music in the ending) and some memories of childhood coming back, I am feeling better.

One thing I have been noticing is that I am more warm with people, and wanting more warmth. I became a "hugger" , something I thought I would never been. Pople used to be that I was stone cold, and averse to human contact. Fact is that I wanted to show affection, I was just afraid of people's reactions.
Now that the old dusty emotional center is starting to work again, I can realize when a person needs a hug, or when it is appropriate. Still learning, of course.

 

[Ollie]

As for me, after a fairly rough week feeling sad and anxious,zoning out massively during the prayer ( returning only in the music in the ending) and some memories of childhood coming back, I am feeling better.

One thing I have been noticing is that I am more warm with people, and wanting more warmth. I became a "hugger" , something I thought I would never been. Pople used to be that I was stone cold, and averse to human contact. Fact is that I wanted to show affection, I was just afraid of people's reactions.
Now that the old dusty emotional center is starting to work again, I can realize when a person needs a hug, or when it is appropriate. Still learning, of course.

That's great news Iron.

For me, once again, this past week, on Monday, yawning and wet-eyes during three-stage-breathing, and tears during PotS, and, again, toe twitching, this time the right. On Thursday, a similar pattern during three-stage breathing, whilst during Beatha, I experienced lots of drifting off.

 

[Cosmos]

I've long not contributed to this thread even do I do/did the EE in regular basis in increasing frequency.

when I have headaches the best and the most efficient and fastest way to get rid of it, is to do the whole program.
(I think the ba ha portion of the program plays a big role in it).

as I said before after the whole program my body feels very fresh and light.
I noticed the zone out in the meditation part often too.

sometimes when I made the breath exercises I felt a big need to cry especially after breathing out before I start to breath in again.
(a problem for me is that I want to cry unrestrained, but I can't something is blocking me. the last time I was really crying is long ago :( )

when I do the whole program intense I still feel a drunk feeling after it.
recently I had a dream where I saw Laura as a young asian woman asking questions. (I think that was triggered from something I've read before; that Laura seems to ask questions without the self like a child would ask a question.)

while doing the EE it is also a good exersise to see the thought patterns that come up and try to control them or tune them down.
I think the more and often I'll do the program the more I will able to make progress (in EE and the every day world and within me)

 

[Gawan]

As for me, after a fairly rough week feeling sad and anxious,zoning out massively during the prayer ( returning only in the music in the ending) and some memories of childhood coming back, I am feeling better.

One thing I have been noticing is that I am more warm with people, and wanting more warmth. I became a "hugger" , something I thought I would never been. Pople used to be that I was stone cold, and averse to human contact. Fact is that I wanted to show affection, I was just afraid of people's reactions.
Now that the old dusty emotional center is starting to work again, I can realize when a person needs a hug, or when it is appropriate. Still learning, of course.

That's great, it could be due pipebreathing, cause when the vagus nerve gets stimulated the defensive mode gets deactivated (fight or flight mode: sympathetic nervous system) and one is more able to socialize and to connect to people through activating the parasympathetic nervous system.

as I said before after the whole program my body feels very fresh and light.
I noticed the zone out in the meditation part often too.

sometimes when I made the breath exercises I felt a big need to cry especially after breathing out before I start to breath in again.
(a problem for me is that I want to cry unrestrained, but I can't something is blocking me. the last time I was really crying is long ago :( )

Don't push yourself that you need to cry, maybe this is blocking you, having an expectation.

My two cents.

 

[Cosmos]

as I said before after the whole program my body feels very fresh and light.
I noticed the zone out in the meditation part often too.

sometimes when I made the breath exercises I felt a big need to cry especially after breathing out before I start to breath in again.
(a problem for me is that I want to cry unrestrained, but I can't something is blocking me. the last time I was really crying is long ago :( )

Don't push yourself that you need to cry, maybe this is blocking you, having an expectation.

My two cents.

yes expectations are not helpfull at all. if you expect something while doing EE you can be certain that it will not happen.
that is one of the thought's that sometimes (expecting something) come up, and that's counterproductive. the best thing is to let fall those intellectual conscious thoughts (let it flow without interfering). when I'm on a certain point I think I'll should be able to control those things.

 

[manitoban]

I had an interesting experience with the EE session on Monday. I decided to do it in the daytime, and all proceeded normally, until I woke up a couple hours later having had a very intense dream. It was very unusual for me to fall asleep during the daytime like that, even after a relaxing EE session.

Anyway, in the dream I was in my house, and a group of people came to my door. They announced that they were here to visit someone - they said the name but I can't remember it. I replied that no such person lived there, only me and my family, and that there must be some mistake. They became very insistent, saying that the person definitely did live here and that they had the right to come in. Again, I said no, and closed the door.

I went back inside and then I saw that they hadn't left, but had gone around the side of the house to the backyard, and were trying to get in the house via the basement entrance. I ran round the back and saw that they had got in, and now not just the original group, but more including children had got into the basement. I started telling them they must leave now and they ignored me, again stating that they had the right to be in my house, that they had permission to come in. At this point I was getting frightened by them and began to try to shout at them, but my voice came out as a croak only, and they didn't pay attention. Finally I suddenly became so angry, real raw rage it was, that I tried to shout again and this time it worked, my voice got louder and louder to the point where it was like a megaphone was coming out that could be heard for a long, long way. And then they disappeared and I woke up.

The dream was so intense, and it sure seemed like some kind of psychological house cleaning or something like that had gone on.

 

[truth seeker]

The dream was so intense, and it sure seemed like some kind of psychological house cleaning or something like that had gone on.

That's very interesting because sometimes I say to myself (when I find myself dealing with an issue I though I'd taken care of) that I put it out the door but somehow it came back in through a window.

 

[Turgon]

I had an interesting experience with the EE session on Monday. I decided to do it in the daytime, and all proceeded normally, until I woke up a couple hours later having had a very intense dream. It was very unusual for me to fall asleep during the daytime like that, even after a relaxing EE session.

Anyway, in the dream I was in my house, and a group of people came to my door. They announced that they were here to visit someone - they said the name but I can't remember it. I replied that no such person lived there, only me and my family, and that there must be some mistake. They became very insistent, saying that the person definitely did live here and that they had the right to come in. Again, I said no, and closed the door.

I went back inside and then I saw that they hadn't left, but had gone around the side of the house to the backyard, and were trying to get in the house via the basement entrance. I ran round the back and saw that they had got in, and now not just the original group, but more including children had got into the basement. I started telling them they must leave now and they ignored me, again stating that they had the right to be in my house, that they had permission to come in. At this point I was getting frightened by them and began to try to shout at them, but my voice came out as a croak only, and they didn't pay attention. Finally I suddenly became so angry, real raw rage it was, that I tried to shout again and this time it worked, my voice got louder and louder to the point where it was like a megaphone was coming out that could be heard for a long, long way. And then they disappeared and I woke up.

The dream was so intense, and it sure seemed like some kind of psychological house cleaning or something like that had gone on.

Quite the dream, manitoban! Seems like you used righteous anger to help get rid of the bad guys.

I had somewhat of a similar dream saturday night. The whole city was inflammed, almost post-apocalyptic, and I was in a building taking care of a lot of children. More kept coming and I was trying to figure out how to feed and house all of them, but was feeling exhausted. There was some issue between 2 of the kids, so one of them goes to tell this evil gang where the building is and they try entering through the basement. They manage to get in and find one of the kids and kills them. I realize what's happening and start scrambling all the children together, figuring out what to do, only then I partially woke up to my head buzzing and a voice say 'take it' to which I refer 'No!'.

Odd symbolisms was a dark horse hit a window in the dream, the gang found the building because there were lights on inside, and the night before I had a dream where Psyche asked how I was feeling, I told her sluggish and tired, so she said to quit eggs and go on the ultrasimple diet immediately.

Both evenings I feel asleep to POTS.

 

[Graalsword]

Last two EE were a bit difficult due to a cough I have from a mild cold I got a few days ago. So I had to reduce the number of breathings as my cough interrupted the process several times, especially pipe breathing. On the contrary warriors breathe feels especially good when having cough, it helps clean the lungs and throat. Beatha and pots are ok, but pipe breath is very difficult with the cough.

 

[Ollie]

Hi Graalsword,

when pipe breathing with a cough, just let the cough happen, and resume pipe breathing as it subsides, you may even vary your pace of breathing to catch up. You may even like to start the whole EE process with the Warrior's breath to clean out the lungs. Also, I don't know what your posture is whilst pipe breathing, you may like to experiment with standing up or sitting upright, this may help.

 

[Aliana]

I have not updated on this thread recently, but the past few weeks have been quite a roller-coaster emotionally. I have had a couple of instances of some of the deepest crying I can remember - to the point where I was sobbing so hard my stomach was heaving. Sometimes they would surface during the EE sessions - but sometimes it would just erupt a day or so later. It's so odd because for several months, in spite if some periods of intense depression - I have not experienced any significant need to cry - or just could not.

The good news is that after getting past the worst of it, some clarity has emerged. I was able to see some long-time issues - well actually not just see but really feel how they have affected my life. I realized how much self-loathing I have always had, and for the first time I could truly understand the concept of the negative-introject. It was one thing to read about it - but was quite something different when it just "hit" me - like the proverbial ton of bricks! I felt strange, but elated and somehow more free. That lasted for a week or so...until the second round of sadness came.

as I said before after the whole program my body feels very fresh and light.
I noticed the zone out in the meditation part often too.

sometimes when I made the breath exercises I felt a big need to cry especially after breathing out before I start to breath in again.
(a problem for me is that I want to cry unrestrained, but I can't something is blocking me. the last time I was really crying is long ago :( )

Don't push yourself that you need to cry, maybe this is blocking you, having an expectation.

My two cents.

Last weekend, I felt a sadness coming on - it sort of "stalked me" all weekend in spite of efforts to distract myself. So - finally on Monday evening - before I usually do the EE session, I just sat down and faced off with the feelings. I think I sort of forced the issue and made the tears flow - which then turned to anger and I really got into some serious pillow-beating! I was so riled, that was afraid I would not be able to settle down for EE - but after awhile I was fairly exhausted, so was able and then felt much better.

I have never actually forced crying before as I always try to get busy; be productive, etc. But I just got tired of feeling haunted. I have noticed that there are time when I feel bad - but the tears just won't come - so am wondering what is appropriate in those instances? Not try to force the emotions, until they are ready to surface?

 

[Cosmos]

Not try to force the emotions, until they are ready to surface?

yes I think so.
to force something is in almost all areas contra productive. if it comes then it comes if not then not. expecting or forcing is contra productive