Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

Ana said:
EGVG said:
The weird thing is that after 3-4 month of doing EE at least 4 times a week I have never had a reaction like this one. First after the pipe breathing I was completely tune out and shaking, then I continued and I chilled for some time, but after I was done, I started to think about problems I haven't confront here in my house, issues with my dad. And I was super anxious and I could not verbalize anything about the subject!! I literally could not say it!! I was almost on the verge of a nervous break down. Some minutes passed, like 45, and I calmed down and went to sleep.
Surprisingly the next morning I was well rested and in a good mood, considering I had to go and vote in the presidential elections. Also when I woke up there was blood stains on my pillow and my nose was stained with blood to.

Has anyone experience something like this??? Is it "normal"?

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It appears that some nosebleeds are associated with increases in blood pressure.
Vitamin C helps lower blood pressure, maybe you can try to take a lemon squeezed into hot water before going to sleep if you feel so anxious and nervous (as if you were to explode?). if it continues you can try to just do the pipe breathing and the meditation portion for some time and try again the complete EE later on.

Then how about starting to take care regarding those issues with your dad?
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Hi Ana! I have a little bit of high cholesterol levels, just some weeks ago I had my blood tested. And I've been taking vitamin C every day for almost 10 years, as ascorbic acid 1000mg per day, should I double my dose???

Hi Ljubica! its great to have a network to share, help and support others and find that the work is reciprocated. Thanks for sharing your story, knowing that others have felt some weirdness like me with EE actually makes me more calm and also to want not stop doing it, but for now I'm gonna do my regular Yoga and just incorporate some aspects of EE, as well as doing Pipe breathing during the day. I wish you a nourishing recovery!
 
EGVG said:
Hi Ana! I have a little bit of high cholesterol levels, just some weeks ago I had my blood tested. And I've been taking vitamin C every day for almost 10 years, as ascorbic acid 1000mg per day, should I double my dose???
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Oh! in that case maybe just wait to see how it goes from now own, I really don't know about the necessity of higher up your dose, maybe someone has better advice. :)
 
EGVG said:
Hi Ana! I have a little bit of high cholesterol levels, just some weeks ago I had my blood tested. And I've been taking vitamin C every day for almost 10 years, as ascorbic acid 1000mg per day, should I double my dose???
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Hi EGVG, 1000 mg a day really isn't very much. I regularly take 6000-7000 mg a day when I'm healthy and more than that if there is an issue - there are many discussions about this here on the forum - search for 'bowel tolerance' to read about a good gauge for what level you should be taking. Also, 'high' cholesterol readings are usually pretty meaningless. Modern medicine has made a huge mess about cholesterol and the guidelines for what is 'high' or 'normal' have changed so many times over the past decade alone that it's ridiculous. I'm sure others more well-versed in such things will have more input.
 
Hi, I usually does not post here …

What had happend in this last 2 months had been interesting, I had noticed that the moment I am being lazy to do EE, I remember to do it more eagerly? … and it comes more right, I do not have too much distractions and stiffness, the air enters and go out at the right pace (for me, the audio).

EE has been like a way to see in myself if I am stressed right at the moment. Although I start doing it twice a week, its been like 4 months that I change. Lately I do it at least once a week the whole program and try to do the meditation daily. I had encounter since the beginning resistance from my part, although I had “seen” in other people its benefits.
Right now, I think I am in between, doing it because its good and doing it because it helps me and its good. Thinking I do need it and do like it because it is a little moment to stay with me.

Does focusing on “seeing” forms in contrast colors, moving “inside-out”, changing … could be considered as dissociation? … because that's what had happend lately, I just concentrate on seeing “it” avoiding other thoughts that shouldn't be there, yesterday was curious, for a moment I noticed the forms move and change at the same pace as the inhaling and exhaling from the beatha breathing.

I really do not know what it is, but is similar on what wikipedia describes the sensory visual phenomena from Hypnagogia. ¬_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogia

I did notice also yesterday again in Beatha breathing that I yawn just after I was distracted in other thoughts, it happens like three times, and just after I noticed it, it did not happend any more.

I usually cheer up myself signing 2 songs basically after the exercises and before starting the EE program, I do like pretty much those songs “Heroe” and “"Creo en Ti (Je Crois En Toi) -I believe in you-" with Il Divo and Celine Dione, I do sing dreadfully awful so I do try not to sing in public or too loud :P. But almost since I started EE I feel like I want it, everytime I do it, I think the voice comes much better, not talking about if it is nice or something like that, … it just that it comes out and I feel pleased.
 
[quote author=mabar]I usually cheer up myself signing 2 songs basically after the exercises and before starting the EE program, I do like pretty much those songs “Heroe” and “"Creo en Ti (Je Crois En Toi) -I believe in you-" with Il Divo and Celine Dione, I do sing dreadfully awful so I do try not to sing in public or too loud . But almost since I started EE I feel like I want it, everytime I do it, I think the voice comes much better, not talking about if it is nice or something like that, … it just that it comes out and I feel pleased.[/quote]

Singing also stimulates the vagus nerve. Many singers express how good they feel after, and how hungry they are!
 
Jerry said:
[quote author=mabar]I usually cheer up myself signing 2 songs basically after the exercises and before starting the EE program, I do like pretty much those songs “Heroe” and “"Creo en Ti (Je Crois En Toi) -I believe in you-" with Il Divo and Celine Dione, I do sing dreadfully awful so I do try not to sing in public or too loud . But almost since I started EE I feel like I want it, everytime I do it, I think the voice comes much better, not talking about if it is nice or something like that, … it just that it comes out and I feel pleased.
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Singing also stimulates the vagus nerve. Many singers express how good they feel after, and how hungry they are!
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Oh yeah!

That's true. I was practicing my gutural voice until I kind of realiced that sounds as a cat meowing.
 
I love singing as well. I give English lessons to kids, and as a warmer we always sing a jolly song with lively accompanying movements. I think I enjoy it more than they do. "The wheels on the bus go round and round.." Works wonders.
 
Rise said:
I had one crazy emotional and frustrating friday this week at work. As my usual afterwards I went to get a drink but instead I decided to lie down and do pipe breaths. Wow what a difference that made. I was extremely stressed out and in only about 20 minutes I was completely calm. I've been trying to do EE regularly on the mon/thur nights but this just seemed really appropriate in how much it helped. :)
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That's great to hear, Rise. Yeah, pipe breathing is really amazing (as well as the full EE program), almost instant stress reduction (depending on how stressed you are - may take a little time to calm down). When you say, as usual, you went to get a drink, but instead did the pipe breathing, do you mean alcohol? If so, it would probably be a good idea for you to regularly skip the drinking and do pipe breathing/full EE. If you haven't gotten on board the dietary changes yet (which includes no alcohol at all) it really works in a synergistic way with the EE. The benefits of each are complemented. There's lots of info in the Diet and Health section about the diet mainly high (animal) fat and protein and low carbohydrates and food to specifically definitely avoid. If you haven't already, you'll really benefit from getting up to speed with the diet and ease into the dietary changes. You'll be glad you did.

A great thread for the latest diet info is: "Life Without Bread"

Of course, all the info in that thread follows eliminating gluten (most grains), casein (milk/dairy, except ghee butter), testing eliminating all other foods by elimination for a few weeks and reintroduction, and especially avoiding troublesome lectins from plant foods (another good source of info is a recent article on SOTT - http://www.sott.net/articles/show/229598-Beyond-Gluten-Free-The-Critical-Role-of-Chitin-Binding-Lectins-in-Human-Disease) etc.

Also sleeping well is VERY important: Are You getting Enough Sleep? Sleeping Properly?


Saša said:
It's been quite a while since I last time reported about my EE progress and experiences. Mainly because there was nothing (or it seemed so to me) to report.

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Beatha part began normally and somewhere in the first round I felt strong pain in my right leg. It was very localized, some 10 cm above the ankle, on inner/left side of the leg. As I've been advising people recently not to push/force themselves too hard (which produced positive results for them, and also seeing the same advices here recently), thought came that maybe I should switch back to normal breathing pattern. On the other hand, I remembered an article on EE website specifically about bioenergetic breathing and needing sometimes to endure kind of discomfort, and since pain wasn't unbearable, I proceeded. And by the end of Beatha pain disappeared. Also, whole Beatha breathing was kind of different, whole inhaling and exhaling was in a way smoother than usual.
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I used to have a hard time with the Beatha/bioenergetic part for the first couple of months doing the program in the summer/fall of 2009. It was definitely the part that took me "out of my comfort zone." But then, it became much easier and is actually easy and enjoyable since. So, if you can, just continue to try to endure and push through and at some point it may become no harder than any other part of the EE program.


anart said:
EGVG said:
Hi Ana! I have a little bit of high cholesterol levels, just some weeks ago I had my blood tested. And I've been taking vitamin C every day for almost 10 years, as ascorbic acid 1000mg per day, should I double my dose???
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Hi EGVG, 1000 mg a day really isn't very much. I regularly take 6000-7000 mg a day when I'm healthy and more than that if there is an issue - there are many discussions about this here on the forum - search for 'bowel tolerance' to read about a good gauge for what level you should be taking. Also, 'high' cholesterol readings are usually pretty meaningless. Modern medicine has made a huge mess about cholesterol and the guidelines for what is 'high' or 'normal' have changed so many times over the past decade alone that it's ridiculous. I'm sure others more well-versed in such things will have more input.
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I agree with anart. You can easily take 4000-5000 mg daily or more. When you're sick, the bowel tolenrance goes way up. I've taken 35,000-40,000 mg when sick without getting diarrhea and very fast recovery from illness.


The last several nights, the PB and POTS/meditation before sleeping has been unusually deep and good concentration. Also this morning (Thursday) I did the full program upon waking up and it was also very intense concentration and deep meditation - no getting distracted at all. I continued the Prayer of the Soul meditation on my own after Laura finished reciting until the music ended. The whole program was really rejuvenating.
 
EGVG said:
Hi Ana! I have a little bit of high cholesterol levels, just some weeks ago I had my blood tested. And I've been taking vitamin C every day for almost 10 years, as ascorbic acid 1000mg per day, should I double my dose???

Hi Ljubica! its great to have a network to share, help and support others and find that the work is reciprocated. Thanks for sharing your story, knowing that others have felt some weirdness like me with EE actually makes me more calm and also to want not stop doing it, but for now I'm gonna do my regular Yoga and just incorporate some aspects of EE, as well as doing Pipe breathing during the day. I wish you a nourishing recovery!
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Thanks, the experience with Beatha was a bit weird (couple of times in last 12 months), but all together EE is wonderful program and I'm grateful to Laura and company to share it with us. I was a bit shy to share my experience on the forum, but looking from this perspective, EE is helping us to find the programs in us, even when one program is gone the other might sneak in as a back up, so I'll be a bit more gentle on myself and will not push with Beatha while I feel the pain but definitely I'll continue with the rest of the program because it's allready my life style, if I don't practice EE, I feel the negative effects and actually I might even say I miss it (especially the POTS) :)
 
Because there are a lot of new people here on the forum that are starting to do the EE program, I thought that I'd remind them that we recommend that the whole program be done twice a week, with the three-stage breathing (pipe breathing) being done every day and the Prayer of the Soul meditation done every night before going to sleep.

If there is a lot of emotional release being done, and it becomes overwhelming, stop doing the breatha (Ba-Ha) for a couple of months, or how ever long you think is needed. Then start it back gently into your program. Remember, pipe breathing also helps to bring up repressed emotions, only at a slower, gentler pace.

Happy Breathing! :)
 
Hi, I need an advice. I inhale accidentally a substance in my lab called cinnamaldehyde pure(which gives the essence of cinnamon) and that caused me a bronchospasm, I had to be nebulized with hydrocortisone and a bronchodilator. I'm breathing a little better but is still a little bit difficult to breath. I can breathe deeply but I have to make a greater effort. Shoud I stop the program?

ADDED: I found that one of the active components of the bronchodilator is ipratropio bromide which acts so:

Ipratropium bromide is a quaternary ammonium compound with anticholinergic properties (Parasympathiclytic). In preclinical studies, inhibits the vagal reflex by the antagonistic action of acetylcholine, the transmitter agent released by the vagus nerve. Anticholinergics prevent the increase in intracellular cyclic guanosine monophosphate (cGMP) caused by the interaction of acetylcholine with the muscarinic receptor of bronchial smooth muscle.
Bronchospam means that the smooth muscles are much contracted the idea is relaxing, but according to the above it seems convenient to not stimulate it. I don't know if I am right or in reverse. What I would do is to increase magnesium take to help relax the muscle. I note also an emotional component because if I thought in my chest I feel worst.
 
Galaxia2002 said:
Hi, I need an advice. I inhale accidentally a substance in my lab called cinnamaldehyde pure(which gives the essence of cinnamon) and that caused me a bronchospasm, I had to be nebulized with hydrocortisone and a bronchodilator. I'm breathing a little better but is still a little bit difficult to breath. I can breathe deeply but I have to make a greater effort. Shoud I stop the program?
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Others with medical knowledge might think differently here, I would suggest that you can keep up with the programme but modify the way you do it. Skip the BaHa 'round breathing' part until you feel well again, probably best to stop Warriors Breath too.

For three stage breathing, at first you could follow the counting pattern and three stages as before, but do it very gently and don't even need the hand positions if this is making it uncomfortable in the chest. Instead of trying to go for expansion and fullness of breath (which the hand positions are an aid to), focus on breathing gently lower in the belly. Put attention onto your breath, the sound of your breathing, the feeling and position of the constriction in the throat. Be aware of your belly as it moves with attention on the body also.

You don't need to do the full programme to still get great benefit from it. So maybe try that, use the audio part from Three Stage breathing for gentle pipe breathing throughout, not struggling to have big deep breaths or draw the air right up to the top of the chest. Just take the capacity you have and concentrate on making the breath smooth consistent as you focus your attention. You should then be in pretty good shape then to go right on to the meditation. So gently would be the way to go I think.
 
I've been doing EE for around 6 months now, many times a week.

I really enjoy the bioenergetic part, followed by the meditation part. The bioenergetic breathing kind of puts me in a very focused mental state that I enjoy and that I keep until the prayer of the soul in the other segment. Optimal combo for me !

I used to do it sitting upstrait, as demonstrated. However, I sometimes have little back issues so I recently decided to try the breathing lying on the back. Works great for the diaphragm. However, a weird new tcikling sensation quickly appears in my face (mentionned in the EE FAQ actually along with hyperventilation symptoms ?). It is initially located around the jaw and becomes very, very intense by the 3rd round. Intense to the point that I loose my concentration and wonder what on earth is going on in my face. It also extends to my forearm and hands. Then when getting to the meditative part, it all goes away fairly quickly.

I assumed it is due to the increase level of oxygen in the blood and the jaw behing a center for nerves, you feel it more there, but I'm no specialist and its just a theory.

I'd just like the opinion of someone else on the matter.

Cheers,
 
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