Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

I agree with not trying to force anything. Sometimes, I'll try to think a bit about why I'm feeling the way I'm feeling and may then become upset enough to cry but waiting until you are ready is a good idea. For me, that usually means that there is something below the surface that needs time to develop. For what it's worth. :flowers:
 
Pashalis said:
aleana said:
Not try to force the emotions, until they are ready to surface?
yes I think so.
to force something is in almost in all areas contra productive. if it comes then it comes if not then not. expecting or forcing is contra productive

Well - that makes sense because forcing something seems very STS. Things should happen naturally.

On the other hand, I can go around for days with a sense of something hanging over my head - I can't shake it, can't really focus on anything because it is just "lurking". As I mentioned, my usual way of dealing is to just get busy - sometimes that works - but sometimes it will not. Last weekend was one of those times - and so finally i just got fed up. Perhaps there is another solution I am not seeing. I do think that sometimes it means I am not facing something that needs to be done, and for me that means it is because i don't KNOW what to do - or I would have already done something. So - maybe it is just frustration building - and crying about it is pointless. Figuring out what to do is what is needed. :-[
 
aleana said:
So - maybe it is just frustration building - and crying about it is pointless. Figuring out what to do is what is needed. :-[
I don't think crying is pointless.
 
truth seeker said:
I agree with not trying to force anything. Sometimes, I'll try to think a bit about why I'm feeling the way I'm feeling and may then become upset enough to cry but waiting until you are ready is a good idea. For me, that usually means that there is something below the surface that needs time to develop. For what it's worth. :flowers:

I had not thought about the development process! Perhaps that feeling of something lurking below is that building up - perhaps an awareness growing. While it is developing, the process takes Energy - which might feel uncomfortable or make one feel out of sorts. So - maybe just being aware of it, but not pushing - just try to see where it is going for a bit might work. I will try that - it's more like honoring the process versus forcing or ignoring (by distraction).
 
aleana said:
truth seeker said:
I agree with not trying to force anything. Sometimes, I'll try to think a bit about why I'm feeling the way I'm feeling and may then become upset enough to cry but waiting until you are ready is a good idea. For me, that usually means that there is something below the surface that needs time to develop. For what it's worth. :flowers:

I had not thought about the development process! Perhaps that feeling of something lurking below is that building up - perhaps an awareness growing. While it is developing, the process takes Energy - which might feel uncomfortable or make one feel out of sorts. So - maybe just being aware of it, but not pushing - just try to see where it is going for a bit might work. I will try that - it's more like honoring the process versus forcing or ignoring (by distraction).

A gentle approach will get you much further than trying to force things. Sometimes emotions will mask themselves as fatigue, and sometimes as a sense of being fidgety or agitated with no apparent cause. At least that's how it seems to work for me. Rarely will a need to cry or have some sort of emotional release just courteously announce itself. :)

Patient observation will also help you become aware of how your different emotional states make themselves known. Sometimes a piece of information or insight needs to become conscious before the release is possible as Aleana has said. Plus EE is wonderful in that it helps your own wisdom pace things. Keep watching!
 
herondancer said:
A gentle approach will get you much further than trying to force things. Sometimes emotions will mask themselves as fatigue, and sometimes as a sense of being fidgety or agitated with no apparent cause. At least that's how it seems to work for me. Rarely will a need to cry or have some sort of emotional release just courteously announce itself. :)

Patient observation will also help you become aware of how your different emotional states make themselves known. Sometimes a piece of information or insight needs to become conscious before the release is possible as Aleana has said. Plus EE is wonderful in that it helps your own wisdom pace things. Keep watching!

Yes, it happens with me too... emotions in disguise , specially this agitation with no apparent cause, and fatigue.
That is what I have been doing.. just observing, sometimes its all you have the power to do, better do it than do nothing and ignore. A lifetime of ignoring things that have put us in this mess in the first place isnt it?
 
Iron said:
herondancer said:
A gentle approach will get you much further than trying to force things. Sometimes emotions will mask themselves as fatigue, and sometimes as a sense of being fidgety or agitated with no apparent cause. At least that's how it seems to work for me. Rarely will a need to cry or have some sort of emotional release just courteously announce itself. :)

Patient observation will also help you become aware of how your different emotional states make themselves known. Sometimes a piece of information or insight needs to become conscious before the release is possible as Aleana has said. Plus EE is wonderful in that it helps your own wisdom pace things. Keep watching!

Yes, it happens with me too... emotions in disguise , specially this agitation with no apparent cause, and fatigue.
That is what I have been doing.. just observing, sometimes its all you have the power to do, better do it than do nothing and ignore. A lifetime of ignoring things that have put us in this mess in the first place isnt it?

You are right, :) just observing and, as herondancer says - EE is wonderful in that it helps your own wisdom pace things - EE gently releases all those 'a lifetime of ignoring things', as and when you are able to stand it.

For me, wet eyes has moved into tears.

My experiences of the full EE breathing-meditation programme, this week, are of yawning and wet-eyes during the three-stage pipe breathing, and very wet eyes during Beatha, as well as drifting off from the breathing pattern - stopping breathing. On Thursday it was a similar experience, with the addition of tears during Beatha and PotS. Something is shifting at a deep level.
 
Trevrizent said:
Hi Graalsword,

when pipe breathing with a cough, just let the cough happen, and resume pipe breathing as it subsides, you may even vary your pace of breathing to catch up.

Yeah! That is what I did, I reduced pipe breathing to a few breathings and then the full warriors breath.

Trevrizent said:
You may even like to start the whole EE process with the Warrior's breath to clean out the lungs. Also, I don't know what your posture is whilst pipe breathing, you may like to experiment with standing up or sitting upright, this may help.

Indeed, that is what I did. I stood up for pipe breathing. I even sat for the few pipe breath of the meditation introduction and then I got down for the rest of the meditation and pots.

Besides this, I only had some yawning lately, not much emotional releases during the last two weeks. The exception being a moment of reflexion and thinking when sitting on a park that is near my home, watching people, a lake with ducks and geese, etc. I was watching a young couple telling their little son -who wanted to walk into the lake- to not do that, they forced him to not jum to the lake (which was the right thing to prevent him from dying drowned. I saw the child crying and thought about dramatic must be for him, not understanding the whole situation, and the danger of what he wanted to do, he suffered from being forbidden to do what he wanted by his parents, who did the best they can to keep him healthy and alive.

I was sad and I realized that I still has a lot of feelings of pity towards me as a child, I have a very weird feeling of sadness when I think of me as a little baby, without a specific cause. And thinking about the pity programs and the way many times I have been manipulated by others through this means, I began to think that it is very probably the projection of my little inner child towards others what makes me feel pity and allow them to manipulate me and not act in favour of my destiny.

However, the fear of hurting others when acting in favour of my destiny when others manipulate me is not totally cured, sometimes I fear to be really putting that person´s soul in unnecessary suffering
 
I had one crazy emotional and frustrating friday this week at work. As my usual afterwards I went to get a drink but instead I decided to lie down and do pipe breaths. Wow what a difference that made. I was extremely stressed out and in only about 20 minutes I was completely calm. I've been trying to do EE regularly on the mon/thur nights but this just seemed really appropriate in how much it helped. :)
 
I did EE this thursay. This weekend just was so boring and so stresed. My friend was in the yell because of me, or partially, because of me, I was stressed with this unstable weather , it looks like analogy.


But I had something really incredible, I kind of remembered myself, because I did discern my patologies and my narcissistic behaviors, and I don't know, I may see what I really am, without those artificial characteristics.
 
It's been quite a while since I last time reported about my EE progress and experiences. Mainly because there was nothing (or it seemed so to me) to report.

Last night's EE was a little bit different.
3-stage PB went as usual, with little bit more saliva production, the feature that started some months ago, which, after introducing myself to polyvagal theory and observing other things about my system, I ascribe to slow increase in parasympathetic (NA) system activation. This is something that I'm still working on though, so any definite conclusions at this stage would be premature.
WB began also as usual, with little dizziness/light headiness after first round. Just before third round, I remembered something Oxajil wrote way back, about implementing "determination", so I did third round with more determined attitude, joyous, with a sort of a smile on my face, but more firm.
Beatha part began normally and somewhere in the first round I felt strong pain in my right leg. It was very localized, some 10 cm above the ankle, on inner/left side of the leg. As I've been advising people recently not to push/force themselves too hard (which produced positive results for them, and also seeing the same advices here recently), thought came that maybe I should switch back to normal breathing pattern. On the other hand, I remembered an article on EE website specifically about bioenergetic breathing and needing sometimes to endure kind of discomfort, and since pain wasn't unbearable, I proceeded. And by the end of Beatha pain disappeared. Also, whole Beatha breathing was kind of different, whole inhaling and exhaling was in a way smoother than usual.
Few PBs before POTS were also smoother, with almost no saliva at all.
And then came the POTS part.
Almost as soon I heard Laura's voice saying first POTS, strange feeling/sensation appeared in my head. It was like, with my eyes closed, my mind was seeing/observing things from higher position, if that makes any sense. Like something was activated in there (head) and that intellectual center stepped on higher ground. I had some glimpses of a similar sensations in the past, during which time I was swimming in the swamp of New Age stuff, so expectedly all kinds of New Age BS thoughts came jumping in shortly after this sensation occurred last night. Previously these thoughts patterns would quite easily produce annihilation effect, but last night my mind just observed them, with sort of a smile on "his" face, and watched them pass by. The sensation remained through the whole POTS part, and after Laura finished I continued with POTS on Croatian in my head, during which sensation slowly decreased, not disappeared, with pronounced sensation of slight heaviness in frontal part of my head. With this "high observer" sensation subsiding, other "usual" sensations (like energy flows, "plate on my head", mass under the ribs and in chest, ...) became more noticeable.
As I became more accustomed to this strange "state" I started slowly to drift away, during which a visual appeared; I was standing (or sitting) in front of very high hedge, the hedge was all in flowers (I can't say what kind exactly) and going in a semicircular way in front of me, with me at the center of imagined circle. Well, at the point where I became conscious about what I was looking at, my mind jumped in with "stupid" thoughts like "Is this a fence?", "What's behind it?" and the visual just dispersed.

In the morning I woke up with a hangover and slightly stiffed back of my neck. The "high observer" sensation was gone, but that haven't been bothering me, in fact I haven't even thought about that until just now writing this post. Funny...
Anyway, hangover disappeared by the end of large dose Vit C "lemonade" and the neck stiffness is almost gone too.
 
I also haven't been posting here because mainly nothing has happened for the past months. Yesterday was a little different though.

Firstly I did the program straight after waking up, so far I have always done it before bed time. Since having started EE I sometimes have physical sensations when doing the program, and apart from one time in March, I never saw anything. During that one time in March I saw a big cork stopper being pulled from the top of my head over and over again, followed by a loud "ploc" sound. Shortly after, I saw legs running, not walking, but running down some stairs. They kept running ad running and I realized that those legs belonged to me. This happened at a time I had a couple of realizations about my past and my life.

Yesterday I did EE with 2 things in mind, discernment, something in which I wish to grow, and insight about some health and emotional issues I've been having in my abdominal area, something I've posted about in other threads.
Well, during Baha I saw a little girl talking and sometimes shouting from a hole that was on the top of my head. Later I figured it was the same hole from where the cork had been taken months ago since it was in the same spot. I realized that the little girl was me, only younger of course.

After a while, I saw 2 big cork stoppers being pulled from my ears with another loud "ploc" sound. Then I saw a massive cork stopper being pulled from the back of my head, a bit further back from where the one I'd seen in March was located, and another very loud "ploc" sound. These images repeated themselves over and over again, very insistently, so much so that I couldn't really pay attention to the words of POTS that followed Baha, and when the images and sound finally began to subside and I managed to concentrate in the words of the prayer, it was already on its last round. I had a "what, is it finished already?!" moment.

And that was it.

I'll post it on the EE forum as well later today.
 
Hi!! Saturday night I had really intense EE session, before starting I was here posting a reading some updates, then I went to take my night vitamins (magnesium and zinc) and started with some stretching and then continued with pipe breathing and the whole thing.

The weird thing is that after 3-4 month of doing EE at least 4 times a week I have never had a reaction like this one. First after the pipe breathing I was completely tune out and shaking, then I continued and I chilled for some time, but after I was done, I started to think about problems I haven't confront here in my house, issues with my dad. And I was super anxious and I could not verbalize anything about the subject!! I literally could not say it!! I was almost on the verge of a nervous break down. Some minutes passed, like 45, and I calmed down and went to sleep.
Surprisingly the next morning I was well rested and in a good mood, considering I had to go and vote in the presidential elections. Also when I woke up there was blood stains on my pillow and my nose was stained with blood to.

Has anyone experience something like this??? Is it "normal"?

EDU
 
EGVG said:
Some minutes passed, like 45, and I calmed down and went to sleep.
Surprisingly the next morning I was well rested and in a good mood, considering I had to go and vote in the presidential elections. Also when I woke up there was blood stains on my pillow and my nose was stained with blood to.

Has anyone experience something like this??? Is it "normal"?

EDU

Just talk a while ago with one of EE instructors about my strange experience happening in last couple months with pain in the frontal part of my head while doing Beatha and pain in the upper part of the nose, last night there was extra pain with blood dripping from my nose (having problem with sinuses) during Beatha and feeling of "frozen brain" (like when you eat too much of ice cream at once, same pain), as well I had felling of being in side some metal like robot with wires coming out back part of my head the feeling was so intense that I stopped with breathing and found out to look on my self (down on the bed) from the ceiling, that was even more shocking so in next second (seems like blink of the "eye" moment later) I found my self seating on the bed pretty shaky while room seems full of some kind of white-ish smoke. The intense pain during Beatha I had as well when my grandpa died in beginning of the year and right now I'm going trough pretty rough period, so perhaps this is just how my body and mind process pressure and attacks. :huh:

This experience was bothering me a lot and I was thinking it was to strange to share it with anyone but, EE instructor is right, that's why we have forum, to share info no matter how strange they could be.
 
EGVG said:
The weird thing is that after 3-4 month of doing EE at least 4 times a week I have never had a reaction like this one. First after the pipe breathing I was completely tune out and shaking, then I continued and I chilled for some time, but after I was done, I started to think about problems I haven't confront here in my house, issues with my dad. And I was super anxious and I could not verbalize anything about the subject!! I literally could not say it!! I was almost on the verge of a nervous break down. Some minutes passed, like 45, and I calmed down and went to sleep.
Surprisingly the next morning I was well rested and in a good mood, considering I had to go and vote in the presidential elections. Also when I woke up there was blood stains on my pillow and my nose was stained with blood to.

Has anyone experience something like this??? Is it "normal"?

EDU

It appears that some nosebleeds are associated with increases in blood pressure.
Vitamin C helps lower blood pressure, maybe you can try to take a lemon squeezed into hot water before going to sleep if you feel so anxious and nervous (as if you were to explode?). if it continues you can try to just do the pipe breathing and the meditation portion for some time and try again the complete EE later on.

Then how about starting to take care regarding those issues with your dad?
 

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