Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

Hi Mariama,

Whilst you check to see if it is related to food, or memories and dreams, to eliminate one variable, I suggest that you stop doing Beatha for a while. Many of us have found this to be beneficial, to work at the pace that is comfortable for the body.

Reading "In an Unspoken Voice", by Peter Levine, may help you understand what is happening, and the book contains exercises that may help you overcome these 'massive panic attacks', 'old trauma'.

This may help, or not.
 
MANY THANKS for your responses!

Mariama said:
Hi Ines,

Have you never had this before?
You may have touched upon some memories or past experiences through EE, which leaves you startled. Could that have happened? Some experiences that you were not aware of, but that left you feeling afraid.

All the best.

Hi Mariama,
No, never really was so afraid caused by nothing (And yes, I am aware of some events in my life that lead me to feel that way, long time ago.)

I saw that Trevrizent suggested to you the book "In an Unspoken Voice", by Peter Levine, IMO this Book is really insightful and there is also a thread about this book with a short extract If you are interested:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,23581.msg279341.html#msg279341







Trevrizent said:
Hi ines,

How often are you doing the full version of EE? Bear in mind that for Beatha breathing, it is recommended that this is only practiced twice a week as a maximum. It may be that you have triggered something within that is a little too powerful for your body to accommodate at the present time. You may like to stop doing Beatha for a while to see if this has any effect on your experiences, and then resume Beatha at a later date when things have 'calmed' down.

Remember, that Beatha works on both the physical and the emotional level, disrupting rigid patterns in the brain, gently releasing layers of emotional toxicity; the hurts and pains.

Also, when you get these experiences of 'feeling fear', 'startle up', etc., immediately doing pipe breaths will help to calm you down, to reduce your adrenal level and heartbeat rate;with the release of oxytocin. Also, to 'talk' to (to distract) your rational mind, you may like to recite PotS, rather than saying words of self-calming, and your unconscious mind will know what to do, as it is tied in with the somatic experience of breathing.

This may help, or not.

Hello Trevrizent,
I am doing the full programme just once or twice a week, the pipe-breathing nearly every day, prayer too.
But I will skip the Beatha for two weeks and then reintroduce it.
And it seems a good advice to replace self-calming by PotS and doing pipe breaths.

Many Thanks!
 
ines said:
Some minutes later the "same game" again, my adrenalin-level got so high that I got up, smoking a cigarette and reading a bit. (would like to add that I am now reading "In an Unspoken Voice", by Peter Levine, some of the written touched me that evening and some tears came up, but with no special thoughts or so)

Hello Ines,

maybe do some lighter reading as well, before going to bed so that it doesn't upsets you, cause when tired programs tend to kick in easier and it is harder to overcome and even just watch then.

And how is your diet going?
 
I just did this for the first time today, and it was great; so thanks to Laura and all others involved in putting together the breathing program and meditation.

It definitely helped me let off some steam ;D
 
Thank you both Trevrizent and Ines :flowers:

I will most certainly stop the Beatha portion and start reading " In an Unspoken Voice".

Thank you Trevrizent for your gentle guidance.

And Ines, I remember feeling the way you did. It is terrible. And it stops everything in its tracks. I am glad you got some good advice. :)
 
Remember that pipe breathing is second only in importance to PotS in the full EE programme, pipe breathing will also deal with any repressed emotions - emotional toxicity - only more slowly and in an even gentler way.

And, as Gawan states - How is your diet going? Have you done the quizzes in the UltraMind Solution (search forum for thread), as panic attacks and insomnia often indicate a lack of, or low levels of, GABA. GABA has a calming effect, a relaxant to overcome overstimulation of the brain. I take some before tea time and an hour before bed. Other brain relaxants that stimulate GABA include green tea (max two cups a day), vitamins B6, B12, and Magnesium.

This may help, or not.
 
Hi to all,

I stopped doing EE for a few months and I started again this week. Yesterday during POTS I felt that someone is watching me and it was very happy that I started EE again. :) After that sensation, I felt burned up and my stomach ached which was common when I was doing it before. But then heat increased a lot and I felt dizzy. By the end of the meditation I felt sick and threw up. I was wondering has someone experienced something like this?

Thanks.
 
Trevrizent said:
nicklebleu said:
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But one question still remains - and I have asked this question before but so far I haven't been able to resolve it for myself: The question of what mental state I need to or want to be in during the breathing exercises.
...
But here lies the rub - how do I achieve this? When I do the breathing exercises my mind often drifts away and I start to think about "stuff" and thus enter a sort of "mechanical" way of doing the breathing as opposed to a "mindful" state - or I just plainly "zone out" to "wake up" some time later with no recollection how I got there. To me this seems to be unsatisfactory.

I have tried several things:
I have tried to use certain parts of the breathing to "openly ask" fortune for the group, to use this as a focus. This seemed to somewhat work for awhile, but then I again started to drift off.
At the moment I try to focus on the flow of the breath and this seems to be working for the time being.

I am just interested in your take - and what you do about it. Again, if this has already been discussed here - my apologies!
If your mind drifts away, just let it go, avoid focusing on your mind (mindful state); you may like to close your eyes and focus on the 'third eye' too as you breathe. PotS keeps you in the present moment, where you are, in a normal relaxed state - relaxed vigilance. Zoning out, from my understanding is highly beneficial. Focusing on the flow of breath, also helps, from my experience and that of others too. Just let go and take what happens.

This may help, or not.

Thanks, Trevrizent!

Now why is "zoning out" beneficial? To me that sounds counterintuitive ...
 
nicklebleu said:
Now why is "zoning out" beneficial? To me that sounds counterintuitive ...
From the FAQ section of the EE forum
It is perfectly normal and a good sign that something is happening. It is a positive sign that your subconscious is beginning to process and heal.
 
On Monday, wet-eyes and yawning during three-stage pipe breathing, turning into tears running down my face, continuing into PotS, where I zoned out mid-way through the second round of recitation. Thursday was similar for three-stage pipe breathing, and during PotS I experienced my body introducing different rates of breathing! Still experiencing sleep problems, with prostate playing up, and onset of very minor panic attacks just before teatime.
 
Reporting back people. Actually I did the complete program on thursday and on friday I got mad, I mean not at the edge like before but it's just such an unnecessary and I don't find a real reason, I was (this is how I see it) calm, in balance, I dit the program and I just went mand but supositions, by the predator so to speak. The typical negative introject, negative thoughst about this, about that, oh, but I recovered what I haven't in few days, my critical thinking (if, that's critical thinking) that was like the other part that emerged along the negative side.
 
Approaching Infinity said:
nicklebleu said:
Now why is "zoning out" beneficial? To me that sounds counterintuitive ...

To paraphrase the Cs, zoning out is like a vacation for your soul. Being in a body is tough work.

Thanks, AI .... I love vacations! :lol:
 
I don't update as often as I should on this thread but for the most part my EE sessions have been usual and uneventful. Calm and peaceful with some zoning still occurring either during Beatha or PotS. For a couple of weeks I had some tearing during the Beatha part but that has seemed to pass for now. The only thing that has recently developed is I find myself grinding my teeth quite often during the day. I wasn't even aware of it until my last dental visit when the assistant asked me about it and since then I've been paying attention to it and find that I am in fact doing it a lot. Now that I notice it I find it is creating a lot of tension in my jaw and temples.

I'm wondering if this is something EE is releasing or more likely if its something my body is just trying to tell me? I'll have to check some other threads and see what I can find.


Edit: I think I've found my answer.. (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,14258.msg109919.html#msg109919)
Specifically this quote:
Bruxism, or grinding of the teeth, generally occurs during sleep as the mind ruminates about all the anger and tension that you kept inside during your waking hours. […] You must decide to handle this anger before it becomes a bigger problem than simple bruxism.

So I'm thinking that my EE sessions are trying to release the suppressed anger in me. I would believe this to be a good possibility as more and more thoughts throughout my day have been aggravating me. Things that really shouldn't but just do. :headbash:
 
Well, I thought I would finally share my experiences as I have been practicing EE for about 2 years now.

Especially during the first year, my practise would be somewhat intermittent, as there would be periods where I would leave the EE completely due to holidays, very busy schedules at work, etc. (Yes, all excuses in the end).

During the last year however I have been practicing EE pretty regularly.

Within the first year, there was a period where I felt as if I was walking amidst a cloud of darkness, suffocating me like a lump of coal. I felt very depressed and uneasy. As I work with people, I felt the severe distress was affecting my ability to do the job properly. From the advices written on this and the FAQ thread, I concluded that perhaps it is time to cut down on the beatha, as it appeared that more things were surfacing than I could conveniently process.

So I quit beatha for a number of months, and started to re-introduce it on only mondays, for a single ”round”. Things seemed to be going smoothly, so after some time I added a second round, then a third, and then the second full program -day of the week. I am now doing the full program twice a week, with no ”adverse” effects. (occasionally I might leave it at once per week though.)

On off beatha days I tried to do the 3 stage breathing first thing in the morning, PotS the last. I felt in the end, that I was too ”asleep” when trying the 3 stage straight out of bed, and scheduled it for a bit later after a cold shower had woken me up some (but before breakfast). This way the day certainly starts with open eyes! And ends nicely with the pots after some winding down.

I have experienced many of the same benefits others have reported here.

I feel I can think clearer and can observe my programs doing their thing more often. In general, I just feel better and ”cleaner”, (of course cleaning up the diet surely influences here as well).

The daily 3 stage pipe breathing and PotS keep things going swell, but with the full program particularly, after performing it, it feels as if a ”battery” was recharged, and you stay very energized for a number of hours, with gradual lessening until the following day and onwards. Thus it quite inspires to keep doing it twice a week!

During the times I have neglected the EE completely, I have felt the ”battery” becoming emptier, so it really pays to keep things constant!

I have not have any major ”experiences” during the EE sessions except for one peculiar incidence. I was easing into the PotS, after doing the beatha portion, and in general it had been a very concentrated and intense session so far. With the PotS starting, I could feel this curious, in lack of a better word, ”vibration” all over my body. As the PotS progressed the vibrations started to intensify and in a way, I began to feel lighter inside, like the mind was disconnecting from the body. This feeling intensified further and I had this hunch that if things progressed at this this rate, I would ”slide” through the floor with my body left lying above. I really started to freak out, not being ready for this kind of out of body experience, and tried to ease, cool the vibrations down. They did cool down, and the feeling passed. Perhaps it all was just a byproduct of hypervenilating during the beatha, but certainly it was a powerful experience, that has not repeated itself. I thought I would mention this, fwiw.

I apologise for the lenghty post, but I would like to close by sincerely thanking Laura, Psyche and everyone involved with making EE available, it is such a tremendous gift :flowers:
 

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