Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[Sentenza]

It's funny because I had exactly this kind of conversation with a guy last friday. He comes from campaign and said to me that death is far away from our lives, death is hidden as far as possible.

As you Gonzo, I answered him that I would not be able to kill an animal (except a fish, I don't know why but it seems to me easier) to eat him. So, I let the dirty work to others and finally eat a lot of meat !! And I say, "yes, I know, I sould be a little bit schizophrenic..."
But I'm a regular visitor of this forum and I know now that eating meat is a natural and important thing for us (Thanks God !!!).
So I said to myself (because the guy is not open for this sort of argument) that for the moment, in 3D, things are like that and the essential is to do things consciousneslly (I don't know if this word exist ..?).

And you said, Gonzo, that you say "grace" when you eat. I will try to apply that, it's a good idea and maintain us in awareness.

a word for Scarlett :
I have got the same problem with books in english. I don't understand all the text and I takes me 1 hour to read one page because I'm in the dictionnary all the time... Recently, I bought a same title in english and in french and compare traduction I did with real transcripts. It helps me, but , as Raffarin said : "Road is staight but slope is steep..." (Ha HA HA!) (Anyway, slope is more steep now, in 2011..., I don't know what he would say now...)

I think my english level is less good than yours, and nightmare is when I have to explain myself in english, write in english... Pff!!
But I remember, learn is fun !

Goog luck to read this mashed of words ...

 

[Nienna]

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Sentenza, I just want you to know that what you are saying in english is very understandable. I had no problem understanding what you are saying.

Other forum members who are not english speakers have said that the more they post in english, the easier it becomes. Don't let your ego/predator keep you from posting because you think others will think badly of your english. That is self-importance/internal considering. The members of this forum would not even think about making fun of someone because their mother tongue is not english. Mostly because of the caliber of people here, but also because many of them also speak another language other than english as their mother tongue and understand how hard it is to do.

I just want you to know that anytime you want to post something to do so and not to worry if your english is good enough. If someone doesn't understand something you wrote, they will ask questions to get a better idea of what you are trying to say. And don't let this bother you either. There are many times that english speaking members are asked to clarify what they have posted. So we're all in the same boat. ;)

 

[Pierre]

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Sentenza, I just want you to know that what you are saying in english is very understandable. I had no problem understanding what you are saying.

Me too! And the more you practice, the better your English.

 

[MK Scarlett]

Scarlett, I don't know if this will help, but not being able to the kill animals you will eat seems to be connected to the misconception about killing animals being "wrong." But this IS definitely a misconception. Objectively we -- all life on this planet -- must eat other life to live. Just because we can't perceive that plant life also does not like being eaten, it does not mean that this is not so.

Objectively, there's no difference what life we take to eat as far as the loss of life goes. And as the book "The Vegetarian Myth" explains, agriculture is actually destroying all life on earth -- down to the microbes in the soil. It kills vastly more animal life than hunting ever could. It is, in fact, total ecocide.

And the fact is, as mentioned by anart, we humans are designed to eat animals. Period. Our digestive system and our brains only work properly if we eat animals. In our evolution, we gave up a big part of the digestive system to gain our large brains, and this was only possible by hunting and eating animals.

And the fact remains that not eating animals is NOT going to allow optimal health and IS believing lies to try to avoid the simple truth that we must eat life to live by trying to approach eating as only eating plant life that can't struggle against being eaten in a conspicuous way, but poisons us instead to protect the survival of plant species.

I hope this helps your point of view about taking and eating life forms.

This is something I had understood reading The Wave and others articles from Laura and Sott from last June, when I discovered the Laura's works (just to let you know how "young" are all these informations to me). I think I know I will have to decide to eat meat again in a near future because all I read and understood go in this way. And maybe "something" inside me does not help in this situation. But I sincerely am thinking the day has come... I suppose I will have to do it slowly, but for this specific question, I should find answers on the Health subject.

What I can tell you is I started a work with an energetics specialist, 10 days after have started to read The Wave on line (date had been took some days before starting to read The Wave). Synchronicity? ;)
SeekinTruth, thank you so much for your help and for your support, from all of you here on the forum or on Sott and others Laura's Websites.

Also, Scarlett, I'm sorry to hear about the loss of your father and your son's brain tumor. Best wishes for your son's health. And it is normal to grieve a loved one's death -- 18 months is not unusual -- and there will be periods of more intense grief and periods of less intense grief. I also lost my father in early May 2011 and am still dealing with bouts of grief. You just have to feel and process it as it comes up. Best regards.

I also feel sorry about your loss even if I do not know specifically how express it. But I wanted you to know how the time you took to understand and give explanations means. I am finding something totally new here for me, it sounds good...

 

[MK Scarlett]

I too had the same thinking before, that I didn't want to eat something I wasn't willing or able to kill with my own hands. I guess I felt guilty that I was allowing others to do the dirty work for me.

This is exactly my mind even if it is changing by the way... and yes, I also noted feel guilty for this is an additional burden to add to all the others what what makes the things only more difficult. Thus my bag back still contains pebbles which it is easy to me to remove... I will, for sure.

I also noticed how I originally didn't mind killing bugs that were biting me and that I probably killed hundreds of thousands of insects and plants just by walking on the grass or in the forest. I resolved to try to live my life in an optimum way, taking what I needed and nothing more. I started paying more attention to all life so that I could minimize my effect on other life forms.

Now, when I eat, I say grace, thanking both creation and whatever life forms I'm eating, for the gift of sustenance.

Regarding this, I use to save all bugs as soon as I can and at home when someone meet a bug, they call me, I take a paper and without hurt it, I put it outside, or I catch the landing net and I save the bees of the drowning in a swimming pool, it can be a frog too!

I resolved to try to live my life in an optimum way, taking what I needed and nothing more. I started paying more attention to all life so that I could minimize my effect on other life forms.

This is the way we choose, so I am not so far...

Now, when I eat, I say grace, thanking both creation and whatever life forms I'm eating, for the gift of sustenance.

At least, I never stopped to eat fish (not too much and little ones) and eggs enough often. It happens to me to say thank for my food, I think I need more work on it, take the measure of what it really wants to say, in the depths of me. Thank you Gonzo. ;)

 

[MK Scarlett]

And you said, Gonzo, that you say "grace" when you eat. I will try to apply that, it's a good idea and maintain us in awareness.

I totally agree with this, my old uses will come back faster I guess, nothing of this is strange or unknown for me, I am just stopped along the way, but as "all roads leads to Rome", another one got me in the right one nevertheless.

a word for Scarlett :
I have got the same problem with books in english. I don't understand all the text and I takes me 1 hour to read one page because I'm in the dictionnary all the time... Recently, I bought a same title in english and in french and compare traduction I did with real transcripts. It helps me, but , as Raffarin said : "Road is staight but slope is steep..." (Ha HA HA!) (Anyway, slope is more steep now, in 2011..., I don't know what he would say now...)

This is a very good way to learn, and practice English on Forums help so much I can show of it, several years on several Website as deviantArt helped to learn and understand specifics words about Art, so maybe I will can do the same with medical books, certainly more slowly, but surely with results!

I think my english level is less good than yours, and nightmare is when I have to explain myself in english, write in english... Pff!!
But I remember, learn is fun !

Goog luck to read this mashed of words ...

I am not so good too, and dictionnary is my best friend on my desk, and now I also have more patience. I do agree with Nienna Eluch, I already read several of your comments, and I had no problem to understand you, ever. Keep going Sentenza!

 

[Sentenza]

Sentenza, I just want you to know that what you are saying in english is very understandable. I had no problem understanding what you are saying

Me too! And the more you practice, the better your English.

. Keep going Sentenza!

Thanks for your encouragement. OK, I'll don't hesitate to post from now. Even if it is a little bit frustrating not be able to say precisely what I want to express. But, on one side, C's are right : it's fun. For me, and maybe for readers.
Who knows? In one year, maybe I will be the most prolix on the forum (except End of the World, obviously!).

More seriously, I'm happy to come back on this forum. It misses me, and I don't know why I haven't move in for a so long time... I was preccupated by economic situation and try yo understand what happened... During summer, I read Pierre Jovanovic books. They are very, very interesting. I recommend above all "777". Essential. I don't know if this book exists in english, but it is a must read. "Blythe Masters" is very good too. And his radio programme on the radio "Ici et maintenant", two times each month, is also very very well done. But it's in french :P

I do the entire breathing program of EE today (1st time since 2 months!), and wow, I feel very good! A lot of meat at lunch tonight, and it will be perfect ! :D

 

[Alada]

I too had the same thinking before, that I didn't want to eat something I wasn't willing or able to kill with my own hands. I guess I felt guilty that I was allowing others to do the dirty work for me.

This is exactly my mind even if it is changing by the way... and yes, I also noted feel guilty for this is an additional burden to add to all the others what what makes the things only more difficult. Thus my bag back still contains pebbles which it is easy to me to remove... I will, for sure.

I think that's the same for a lot of us, myself included. But I think here we have to factor in the entirety of our thinking bout the subject, where our thoughts and feelings around this came from.

If from the day we were born we had been raised to understand and value the balance of life, the place in the great scheme of things of each level of being takes, and the evolutionary necessity for the human organism to eat animals for optimum health, our thoughts may be very different. Also if the killing animals for food had played a direct part in our upbringing (think traditional cultures, or even living on a small farm for example), and those lives were taken with respect and thanks rather than mindlessly, again I think we would come to accept and understand the relationship in an entirely different way.

As it is, when we find that our perceptions are distorted by lies, myths, even self-importance around how 'evolved' or 'spiritual' one is for not eating animals (again built on lies and distortions). When I imagine myself placed in such an environment described above, the idea of killing an animal myself for food takes on new meaning, it is possible then to think that I could indeed kill to live and to properly fulfill my part in life.

As others have pointed out, the alternative is to not eat what is optimum to one's health, which seems a disservice.

 

[mcb]

I still put bugs outside rather than killing them, and if they do something useful I even leave them inside. Killing to eat is one thing; killing 'other' is something else. Pests I will kill, but our cats are pretty good at dispatching many of those those, and it seems to be part of their natural diet?

 

[Gonzo]

Yeah, I get not wanting to kill a bug and preferring to invest one's energy into saving the bug's life. After all, it's not the bug's fault it's in your house. At least that's what I used to think.

A few years back I was told one of my daughters got in trouble for trying to save a spider in the classroom from being stomped by another student. She raised quite a scene, refusing to go back to her seat, and instead violated the teacher's direction and took the spider outside.

As I was trying to figure out how to explain to her the balance between doing what is demanded from oneself versus doing what one feels right, consequences be damned, it occurred to me that even the spider might have a learning path. Perhaps it's death would teach it something for its next life. Perhaps taking it off of its path, which would undoubtedly result in its death is a greater violation of its free will and learning path.

I also think about why it might be OK to kill a mosquito when it bites you but not before.
I still don't have the answers, but I shared these thoughts with my daughter.

Gonzo

 

[EGVG]

I still put bugs outside rather than killing them, and if they do something useful I even leave them inside. Killing to eat is one thing; killing 'other' is something else. Pests I will kill, but our cats are pretty good at dispatching many of those those, and it seems to be part of their natural diet?

I kill absolutely any bug that is in my room, except spiders, those I just relocate away from my bed since they help me kill flies and mosquitoes. I also don't kill roaches, I normally find them near the garden or in the streets, never step on them, they are really intelligent, once I found two big ones in the garden bathroom they where coming out of the shower. I started to make noise to scared them, and they went back inside to the vent.
I personally feel that, as a STS being myself, if I can't get anything for myself from not killing the bugs then I will not bother in saving them. That's kinda the norm in the world we live in and that bugs live in too, right? I don't wanna mess with their free will, but I gotta do what's best for me and my safety.

 

[Graalsword]

I personally feel that, as a STS being myself, if I can't get anything for myself from not killing the bugs then I will not bother in saving them. That's kinda the norm in the world we live in and that bugs live in too, right? I don't wanna mess with their free will, but I gotta do what's best for me and my safety.

Yeah, I think that when safety is in danger, due to an insect (either because it is poisoning, or can bring infections or whatever) it must be killed if there is no other way to send him far away. I don´t think that I´ll be more STO because of letting insects invade my home.

 

[Jacques]

The Vegetarian Myth does not seem exist in French, so my question was, does exist one?

Noy yet but you can find a couple of chapters on the French section of SOTT:

http://fr.sott.net/articles/show/4387-Le-mythe-vegetarien-Nourriture-justice-et-developpement-durable

http://fr.sott.net/articles/show/4466-Le-mythe-vegetarien-Nourriture-justice-et-developpement-durable-2e-partie-

http://fr.sott.net/articles/show/4596-Le-mythe-vegetarien-Nourriture-justice-et-developpement-durable-3e-partie-

 

[MK Scarlett]

The Vegetarian Myth does not seem exist in French, so my question was, does exist one?

Noy yet but you can find a couple of chapters on the French section of SOTT:

http://fr.sott.net/articles/show/4387-Le-mythe-vegetarien-Nourriture-justice-et-developpement-durable

http://fr.sott.net/articles/show/4466-Le-mythe-vegetarien-Nourriture-justice-et-developpement-durable-2e-partie-

http://fr.sott.net/articles/show/4596-Le-mythe-vegetarien-Nourriture-justice-et-developpement-durable-3e-partie-

Thank you so much Gandalf for all these links, I had no idea there were on French Sott! It will help me and I gonna read them on this evening.

 

[Gwenllian]

If from the day we were born we had been raised to understand and value the balance of life, the place in the great scheme of things of each level of being takes, and the evolutionary necessity for the human organism to eat animals for optimum health, our thoughts may be very different. Also if the killing animals for food had played a direct part in our upbringing (think traditional cultures, or even living on a small farm for example), and those lives were taken with respect and thanks rather than mindlessly, again I think we would come to accept and understand the relationship in an entirely different way.

My partner went to Eastern Germany last year and had a pig butchered (he couldn't do it himself) that had been free and had had a good life on the farm.
My partner still had tears in his eyes when the pig was killed, though. I would have felt the same, I am sure.
To this day we still enjoy the meat. And I have never tasted anything better.