Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

Oxajil said:
Jerry said:
Timey said:
I was wondering if EE can be used a tool to get rid of these critters, if they do actually exist.

Since attachments occured through some kind of invitation on our part, and that through EE we can arrive at a greater understanding of ourselves on many levels, I would say yes.

And Laura also said the following on this:

Laura said:
zim said:
I was wonder about that, in EE program we can de-attact out attacments??? I mean in the POST I bring light to my being so it could be a way to release the attactment of our body consciously? :huh:

Yes, doing the EE program can lead to the departure of attachments. If the emotion that attracted them is released, they go with it. If the physical condition that vibrates to their frequency is healed, they no longer have a toehold. In fact, I suspect that many of the "releasing" experiences that some of you have been having are literally "spirit release." Remember what Castaneda's Don Juan said about the predator's mind? That it is discipline that taxes it? Well, doing EE faithfully is the sort of discipline that can do this.
Looking at some of my releases, this makes sense. I'm normally a very mellow person, but the vast majority of my releases are of very scary rage. I go ballistic, swearing, screaming and making an absolute mess of my pillows with my fists. While I think the majority of it is from repressed anger from childhood, looking at them as "releases" also makes sense. I ask because I did something very foolish a couple of years ago; I welcomed something into my body. I need to get rid of it.
 
Timey said:
Looking at some of my releases, this makes sense. I'm normally a very mellow person, but the vast majority of my releases are of very scary rage. I go ballistic, swearing, screaming and making an absolute mess of my pillows with my fists. While I think the majority of it is from repressed anger from childhood, looking at them as "releases" also makes sense. I ask because I did something very foolish a couple of years ago; I welcomed something into my body. I need to get rid of it.
Are you doing ee without the baha part? If you find the emotions a bit too much, you may want to leave out that part.
 
truth seeker said:
Timey said:
Looking at some of my releases, this makes sense. I'm normally a very mellow person, but the vast majority of my releases are of very scary rage. I go ballistic, swearing, screaming and making an absolute mess of my pillows with my fists. While I think the majority of it is from repressed anger from childhood, looking at them as "releases" also makes sense. I ask because I did something very foolish a couple of years ago; I welcomed something into my body. I need to get rid of it.
Are you doing ee without the baha part? If you find the emotions a bit too much, you may want to leave out that part.
I do baha once a week, but at the moment I'm not consistent with my EE. Im working on it though. The releases come from three-stage breathing; I don't find them "too much" at the moment, although I am sometimes surprised at how angry I am underneath. I figured it was good to get rid of it and understand it better - I think it might be an contributing factor to anxiety.
 
Patrick said:
[...]My little i's (I've long thought of them as "drunken monkeys") have been objecting vehemently to my EE practice; from this I conclude that EE must be a very good thing for the I AM that I seek. The monkeys, though not exceptionally creative at this point, are persistant:[...]

[t]he latest effort has to do with the headphones I've used from the start: they suddenly hurt my ears! Therefore, the monkeys whisper, you would be wise to suspend this business indefinitely until such time as adequately comfortable headphones can be secured.[...]

My feeling at that time was that the "pain" was an imaginary thing, conjured by the little i's or "drunken monkeys" of the mind as a distraction to inhibit or discourage daily EE, and I persisted with the headphones for three days, until I began to perceive the increasing "pain" as real pain. It seemed a peculiar sort of pain though, in that poking around my left ear (where it seemed located) after EE produced no residual feeling of discomfort.

So, I thought, peculiar and perhaps imaginary as this may be, it still possesses a reality sufficient to be intrusive and distracting; I began using external speakers for EE, anticipating a "stupid me, problem solved" ending.

This was the case for another 3-4 days, no pain--must have been the headphones. Then I happened(?) to read a Cassiopaean Session transcript that discussed anticipation and began thinking about anticipation of an outcome of an event or activity as a possible block to accurate perception of the actual thing. I then thought back to my halfhearted embrace of the idea of the headphones as the culprit in the pain issue, and my anticipation that dispensing with them would settle the issue. Good grief! am I needlessly complicating this thing? At any rate, I thought I could try to do with as little anticipation in my life as possible and resolved to try to have no expectations when starting EE daily, to simply observe to the best of my ability what was really there.

One thing that was really there was this pain again (without headphones), and right at the very beginning of the meditation section. It quickly came to me that to continue to view this as an unwelcome interference was to anticipate what I imagined the results of the meditation might be if this pain, actually present and real enough, weren't present. I began to be able to calmly observe it's arrival without undue distraction and watch it leave, by degrees, later.

This left ear pain feeling always became noticeable directly before meditation, starting during Beatha 2 days weekly and during late stage pipe-breathing or WB during the shorter practices and subsiding completely after no more than an hour of completing meditation. The entire duration of this after it's reappearance was about 8-10 days (declining in intensity over the last 3 days of the period) and it's been absent now for 5 days with or without headphones.

I found, toward the end stages of this, that I could detect remnants of the pain after meditation by vigorous movement of my lower jaw, and it's actual location seemed to be in the hinge mechanism of the jaw, and not the ear at all. Searching "pain" on this topic (EE) provided several participant reports of something similar, and I initially felt pretty silly for doing this search later rather than sooner. My feeling about it now is that everything happened in the order necessary for me, individually, to learn; my embryonic self-observation efforts were exercised and I was engaged in a lot of helpful thinking on the subject of anticipation (info available in various threads on the forum and:http://cassiopedia.org/glossary/Special:Search?search=anticipation&go=Go).

I've tried to objectively explain this series of experiences and perceptions, and a detached summary leaves me with this: 1) guy experiences pain in left ear but thinks pain is imaginary product of drunken monkeys in his mind 2) then believes pain possibly real (product of headphones) 3) removes headphones...no pain for days 4) reads about anticipation...pain returns w/o headphones 5) pain remains and is observed to be real(?) but in different location than originally thought 6) pain leaves...not felt with or w/o headphones.

Mad ramblings of a lunatic? A strong case could be made. No shrinks for me, though, as I'm seeing a world that appears to be a perpetual ruin in the making, largely run and populated by the sane, and thinking that maybe being a bit off-kilter is not a bad thing.

A little over three months of EE and my more recent beginnings of self-observation have helped me to see a number of subtle aspects of my mental landscape (most of them unpleasant) that are going to require will and effort to understand and it looks to be an adventure. I don't know if EE is serving as a guide, a catalyst or a goad, but it seems to be helping me to a state that's more receptive to knowledge if not, in fact, more knowledgeable.

I have no idea what the pain, real or not, meant or didn't mean and am not actively concerned with that; it was what it was and it's importance, if any, will become apparent at the appropriate time. I've read the C's say that learning is fun! many times, but I don't recall them saying that it would be neat and orderly...or painless. So, faith.

Thank you for your thoughtful replies to my previous posts.
 
Patrick said:
I found, toward the end stages of this, that I could detect remnants of the pain after meditation by vigorous movement of my lower jaw, and it's actual location seemed to be in the hinge mechanism of the jaw, and not the ear at all. Searching "pain" on this topic (EE) provided several participant reports of something similar, and I initially felt pretty silly for doing this search later rather than sooner. My feeling about it now is that everything happened in the order necessary for me, individually, to learn; my embryonic self-observation efforts were exercised and I was engaged in a lot of helpful thinking on the subject of anticipation (info available in various threads on the forum and:http://cassiopedia.org/glossary/Special:Search?search=anticipation&go=Go).

I've tried to objectively explain this series of experiences and perceptions, and a detached summary leaves me with this: 1) guy experiences pain in left ear but thinks pain is imaginary product of drunken monkeys in his mind 2) then believes pain possibly real (product of headphones) 3) removes headphones...no pain for days 4) reads about anticipation...pain returns w/o headphones 5) pain remains and is observed to be real(?) but in different location than originally thought 6) pain leaves...not felt with or w/o headphones.

Mad ramblings of a lunatic? A strong case could be made. No shrinks for me, though, as I'm seeing a world that appears to be a perpetual ruin in the making, largely run and populated by the sane, and thinking that maybe being a bit off-kilter is not a bad thing.

A little over three months of EE and my more recent beginnings of self-observation have helped me to see a number of subtle aspects of my mental landscape (most of them unpleasant) that are going to require will and effort to understand and it looks to be an adventure. I don't know if EE is serving as a guide, a catalyst or a goad, but it seems to be helping me to a state that's more receptive to knowledge if not, in fact, more knowledgeable.

I have no idea what the pain, real or not, meant or didn't mean and am not actively concerned with that; it was what it was and it's importance, if any, will become apparent at the appropriate time. I've read the C's say that learning is fun! many times, but I don't recall them saying that it would be neat and orderly...or painless. So, faith.

Thank you for your thoughtful replies to my previous posts.

The bolded line caught my attention. It might be that you've carried a great deal of tension in your jaw muscles that you were not aware of. Did anyone ever talk to you about your bite pattern or TMJ? In any case, it seems that as the effects of EE progressed, that muscle tension was coming back into your awareness, and apparently the slow release of it was read as pain. Letting go of tension can be painful to be sure!

The next questions would be what that tension/pain means to you in terms of emotional patterns. What did you have to "bite back on?" etc. Louise Barbeau's book, which Prodigal Son has mentioned in this thread might give you some clues. It's called "Your Body's Telling You: Love Yourself"

I have no idea what the pain, real or not, meant or didn't mean and am not actively concerned with that; it was what it was and it's importance, if any, will become apparent at the appropriate time.

This may be so, but answers come more reliably when you seek them :) Happy searching.
 
I want to say thanks to all those who contributed to making EE. It is really helping me get a grip on my life. :cool2:
 
Timey said:
I want to say thanks to all those who contributed to making EE. It is really helping me get a grip on my life. :cool2:

Hi Timey - you may wish to share your experiences and benefits with the EE forum (if you aren't already :)) here: http://eiriu-eolas.org/forum/
 
Timey said:
I want to say thanks to all those who contributed to making EE. It is really helping me get a grip on my life. :cool2:
I'd like to say the same, and I have felt a really deep gratitude come up from within while doing the practice. It's something beyond words... I'm glad you're getting a grip on your life! :)
 
Thanks, Beetle. I'll post my experience on the EE forum at some point tomorrow.
I had a question. I mentioned earlier releases of anger and frustration. I get releases, but the frustration never seems to subside; I scream and beat up my pillows and stuff until I'm worn out, but the feeling is never really gone. Am I right in assuming that I just have a lot of it "stored up" and that it will eventually subside once I've got it all out? Today, for example, the release and frustration felt far less extreme, but the feeling of it is still lingering even now.
 
Timey said:
Thanks, Beetle. I'll post my experience on the EE forum at some point tomorrow.
I had a question. I mentioned earlier releases of anger and frustration. I get releases, but the frustration never seems to subside; I scream and beat up my pillows and stuff until I'm worn out, but the feeling is never really gone. Am I right in assuming that I just have a lot of it "stored up" and that it will eventually subside once I've got it all out? Today, for example, the release and frustration felt far less extreme, but the feeling of it is still lingering even now.

I would say yes, getting it all out can take some time. Compared to other "release techniques" the EE program should be a more gentle and lasting way to clean your machine. Just be careful not to overdo it - in the beginning, a few years ago I did EE maybe too much, and things got out maybe too quickly (which was rough). I had this urge to "get it over with", but I soon realized that one can't rush things. The body and mind needs it's time to recover. Sometimes the release can be more permanent if one can remember the underlying reason, the first time one experienced the feeling that comes out. But more often this is not possible, since many of those memories are stored non-verbally (at an early age) in the amygdala.

Sounds like you're doing great, just take the time to listen to your body - sometimes it may need some rest from the "processing".
 
I agree with Aragorn, Timey. If it gets too much, too fast, you can do the Ba-Ha part less often for a little while until the releases are not overwhelming.
 
The above advice is good. :)

It is many months since I included BaHa breathing in my ‘formal’ sessions due to the intensity of the effects that arose.

My experiences, this week are of wet eyes (leading to ‘snuffles’ on Monday) and yawning during the three-stage pipe breathing, followed by zoning out through the vast majority of PotS, coming to at the end of the music.
 
I'm just jumping back in to regular practice of the whole program again. I have been doing POTS most nights for the last month or so though.


With the first repetition of the whole program last Tuesday, I felt very calm and balanced. The second repetition was on Friday and it had quite the opposite effect. This may not have been from the program at all though as there was a trouble on the street outside our house. Lots of noise and yelling. Many houses in this area are regularly broken into. So I kind of had one part of my mind on the program and another listening out just in case someone tried to break in.

I didn't sleep at all until around 5 am despite playing POTS a number of times.
 
I beginning to discover that I have a very scary part of me that I don't think I really realized existed. Seriously, some of the things I was coming out with today after three-stage breathing were pretty scary.
 
When I don't do the entire program for 2 weeks I can really feel that (emotional) tensions built up and I'm getting more out of balance. So it is for me to "sort" things out when doing the entire program again and it feels a bit like to born anew :).

What I also like to do is using pictures during the program, like cleaning the body or "throwing" anger at a target during warriors breath.
 
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