Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[beetlemaniac]

I wonder if the tingling is from doing the Ba-Ha round breathing part, beetlemaniac. When I first started doing the program back in the summer of 2009, I used to get the intense tingling in my hands and feet during Ba-Ha and sometimes my face during the first several weeks -- I was also doing the full program everyday at the time. Now it happens rarely and much less intensely, but these and other "symptoms" were mentioned by others in the early part of this huge thread. FWIW.

Hey SeekinTruth. I remember the different sensations I had when starting EE and I don't think the one I posted about is the same as the one you're mentioning. The sensations seem to be at various points of the torso and legs. Originally I posted about a kind of "black shadow" that seemed to be enveloping my body. I think it's like energy blocks or what Wilhelm Reich called body armoring. Stagnant energy. As mentioned in the EE DVD these blocks are gradually released with the breathing. Many ways to explain it, I think, but the marvelous thing is that EE handles it without the need for knowing or theorizing about what it really is.

 

[SeekinTruth]

OK, I see that you're aware of intense tingling from bioenergetic breathing until you get used to it, and that this is different. I also agree that EE works whether we know/understand all the details of HOW it works.

 

[truth seeker]

I remember the different sensations I had when starting EE and I don't think the one I posted about is the same as the one you're mentioning. The sensations seem to be at various points of the torso and legs. Originally I posted about a kind of "black shadow" that seemed to be enveloping my body. I think it's like energy blocks or what Wilhelm Reich called body armoring. Stagnant energy. As mentioned in the EE DVD these blocks are gradually released with the breathing. Many ways to explain it, I think, but the marvelous thing is that EE handles it without the need for knowing or theorizing about what it really is.

This is pretty much the way I've explained it to myself as well. What it seems like is that blockages are released little by little and when they get to a "tipping point" or enough of it is released, they seem to move up and out. I'm not so sure about the "black shadow", but at times while under the covers doing ee, it felt as if the covers themselves were moving from the release which initially was a bit freaky. All in all, pretty amazing.

 

[beetlemaniac]

This is pretty much the way I've explained it to myself as well. What it seems like is that blockages are released little by little and when they get to a "tipping point" or enough of it is released, they seem to move up and out. I'm not so sure about the "black shadow", but at times while under the covers doing ee, it felt as if the covers themselves were moving from the release which initially was a bit freaky. All in all, pretty amazing.

Yep truthseeker, the process is exactly like that for me too. The "black shadow" referred to the stagnant energy. I could feel it swirling and moving around the surface of my body. If you're familiar with the Spiderman comic, it kinda reminds me of how he turns into the evil Venom when this black goo starts melding with his body.

Venom, or the Venom Symbiote, is a fictional extraterrestrial life form appearing in books published by Marvel Comics, usually those featuring Spider-Man. The creature is a Symbiote, a sentient alien, with a gooey, almost liquid-like form that requires a host, usually human, to bond with for its survival, as with real world symbiotes, and to whom it endows enhanced powers. When the Venom Symbiote bonds with a human, that new dual-life form refers to itself as Venom.

The Symbiote's first known host was Spider-Man, who eventually separated himself from the creature when he discovered its true nature. The Symbiote went on to merge with other hosts, most notably Eddie Brock, its second and most infamous host, with whom it first became Venom and one of Spider-Man's archenemies.[1]

Kind of cool how it resembles the predator!

 

[truth seeker]

Yep truthseeker, the process is exactly like that for me too. The "black shadow" referred to the stagnant energy. I could feel it swirling and moving around the surface of my body. If you're familiar with the Spiderman comic, it kinda reminds me of how he turns into the evil Venom when this black goo starts melding with his body.

Actually, I am somewhat familiar with Venom and now that you've mentioned it, it is really similar! Thinking more about it, others have mentioned the same thing in this thread, because there's no one term for it, searching for it can be a bit difficult but here are some I found:

Search on black body (no quotes):

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,12837.msg294127/topicseen.html#msg294127

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,12837.msg187223/topicseen.html#msg187223

black ash:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,12837.msg130074/topicseen.html#msg130074

black smoke:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,12837.msg294127/topicseen.html#msg294127

Hope that helps. :)

 

[beetlemaniac]

Actually, I am somewhat familiar with Venom and now that you've mentioned it, it is really similar! Thinking more about it, others have mentioned the same thing in this thread, because there's no one term for it, searching for it can be a bit difficult but here are some I found:
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Hope that helps. :)

Thanks, truthseeker! The different perspectives will help refresh my EE practice and maybe see the sensations in a different light. :D

Also I thought this part was particularly interesting, forge expressed it well. Captures the feelings in that moment.

Breathing out following the EE audio tape, concentrating hard so it's properly done : all sickness is willfully pushed out - visualized as black smoke coming from all parts of my body - the smoke is grainy like sand it has bits and flows through me in/out like my spirit body were a sieve and i concentrate on collecting it so all of it is leaving through my mouth. When properly done this feels like leaving no desires in my spirit but expelling all sinful desires outward. This process has to be concentrated on to be visualized properly. Usually crying urges, disburdening sensations and candid "i want to be cleansed" feelings are driving this visualization.

Today just sitting around mostly, I noticed how much my trapezius area gets tensed up constantly. It's quite a regular thing and I think many people have mentioned it too. Pipe-breathing tends to ease it a little but nothing beats lying down and getting "through" it with some meditation.

 

[Ollie]

This week’s experience of EE on Monday and Thursday consists of tears and yawning during three-stage pipe breathing extending into the start of PotS, and zoning out for all of PotS and until the end of the music.

 

[Gwenllian]

Just adding some experiences of mine.

My next-door neighbours had a big party last week-end and played house music for hours on end until four or five in the morning. I had fallen asleep, but woke up after a couple of hours feeling as if my brains were going to explode. I am sure it was the music. I started pipe breathing immediately. I have found that pipe breathing is helpful, but doesn't do the trick for me. Reciting POTS afterwards clears up a lot. The same happened this time. After POTS I felt much better and not anxious anymore. Went downstairs and saw these light effects in my garden. I thought I was going mad...
House music coupled with these light effects must do a lot of damage to the mind and soul. Maybe that was why my head was exploding.

Today I saw the picture of Bradley Manning (the picture of him taken in prison) on SOTT, which produced a very strong reaction in me. I had to get up and start pipe breathing. Felt much better afterwards.
EE is truly a great gift to humanity IMHO.
Hope Bradley Manning has access to meditation and breathing exercises.

I hadn't done EE for a couple of months (started last year in June) and was astounded how much better I felt after only one session. Previously I had felt very stressed, but as soon as I started EE again it seemed to disappear instantaneously. Amazing. :O

 

[Ollie]

Just adding some experiences of mine.

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I hadn't done EE for a couple of months (started last year in June) and was astounded how much better I felt after only one session. Previously I had felt very stressed, but as soon as I started EE again it seemed to disappear instantaneously. Amazing. :O

Just imagine what it would be like if you did EE twice a week, or even three-stage breathing and PotS (especially before going to sleep) every day! :)


For me, this week’s experience of EE on Monday and Thursday consists of tears and yawning during three-stage pipe breathing extending into the start of PotS, and on Thursday, a restless left foot during PotS, and a feeling of great sadness.

 

[beetlemaniac]

I think I've identified a problem in my posture while sitting. I seem to have some discomfort which makes me sit in unhealthy postures, like hunching my back or letting my behind slide to the front of the chair, leaving my spine in bent position. This seems to have exacerbated certain issues like poor circulation, whereupon I'd experience syncope/fainting upon standing up and stretching. Recently one day it was particularly bad, I got up and stretched, minutes (not sure how long actually, I totally "zoned-out" so to speak) later finding myself in a heap with my face in the rubbish bin. I somehow managed to rip my wall-mounted shelf off the wall in the whole ordeal. I'm relieved that I wasn't terribly injured, just minor cuts and scratches.

The reason I'm posting here is because I feel there is a connection between the emotional releases of EE and the incidences of syncope that I have been getting. So I'm going to go exclude Beatha from my Monday-Thursday sessions for now, while focusing on calming meditation before sleeping.

Also I'm going to take extra precautions about my sitting postural tendencies, and also to take care to go to a safe place before performing any stretching exercises. The blood flow to the head can literally knock me unconscious.

 

[Nienna]

I think I've identified a problem in my posture while sitting. I seem to have some discomfort which makes me sit in unhealthy postures, like hunching my back or letting my behind slide to the front of the chair, leaving my spine in bent position. This seems to have exacerbated certain issues like poor circulation, whereupon I'd experience syncope/fainting upon standing up and stretching. Recently one day it was particularly bad, I got up and stretched, minutes (not sure how long actually, I totally "zoned-out" so to speak) later finding myself in a heap with my face in the rubbish bin. I somehow managed to rip my wall-mounted shelf off the wall in the whole ordeal. I'm relieved that I wasn't terribly injured, just minor cuts and scratches.

The reason I'm posting here is because I feel there is a connection between the emotional releases of EE and the incidences of syncope that I have been getting. So I'm going to go exclude Beatha from my Monday-Thursday sessions for now, while focusing on calming meditation before sleeping.

Also I'm going to take extra precautions about my sitting postural tendencies, and also to take care to go to a safe place before performing any stretching exercises. The blood flow to the head can literally knock me unconscious.

Have you had your blood pressure checked? Getting dizzy or fainting, along with upper back pain, can be associated with low blood pressure. Fainting like you explain could really get you hurt, say falling and hitting your head on the corner of a desk or table, etc.

I think you really should go in for a check-up. Something like this going on needs to be looked into by medical professionals of one sort or another.

 

[truth seeker]

I think I've identified a problem in my posture while sitting. I seem to have some discomfort which makes me sit in unhealthy postures, like hunching my back or letting my behind slide to the front of the chair, leaving my spine in bent position. This seems to have exacerbated certain issues like poor circulation, whereupon I'd experience syncope/fainting upon standing up and stretching. Recently one day it was particularly bad, I got up and stretched, minutes (not sure how long actually, I totally "zoned-out" so to speak) later finding myself in a heap with my face in the rubbish bin. I somehow managed to rip my wall-mounted shelf off the wall in the whole ordeal. I'm relieved that I wasn't terribly injured, just minor cuts and scratches.

The reason I'm posting here is because I feel there is a connection between the emotional releases of EE and the incidences of syncope that I have been getting. So I'm going to go exclude Beatha from my Monday-Thursday sessions for now, while focusing on calming meditation before sleeping.

Also I'm going to take extra precautions about my sitting postural tendencies, and also to take care to go to a safe place before performing any stretching exercises. The blood flow to the head can literally knock me unconscious.

Have you had your blood pressure checked? Getting dizzy or fainting, along with upper back pain, can be associated with low blood pressure. Fainting like you explain could really get you hurt, say falling and hitting your head on the corner of a desk or table, etc.

I think you really should go in for a check-up. Something like this going on needs to be looked into by medical professionals of one sort or another.

Agree with this suggestion, beetle if for no other reason than to rule out any underlying conditions. Another thought was that you could do ee laying down. Would this be comfortable for you?

 

[beetlemaniac]

Have you had your blood pressure checked? Getting dizzy or fainting, along with upper back pain, can be associated with low blood pressure. Fainting like you explain could really get you hurt, say falling and hitting your head on the corner of a desk or table, etc.

I think you really should go in for a check-up. Something like this going on needs to be looked into by medical professionals of one sort or another.

Hi Nienna, sorry I didn't mention it but yes, I do have a hereditary low blood pressure. Also another thing to mention is that my dad also had an incident of fainting that occurred some time ago. I doubt anything can really be done about it since it's congenital.

Another thought was that you could do ee laying down. Would this be comfortable for you?

Hey truth seeker, I do it laying down most of the time, actually, I do find it really comfortable that way. The thing is the fainting and dizzy spells happen out of the EE session in my daily life. Very commonly after getting up from sitting down for long stretches of time.

I think from this incident I need to learn to be more careful about my body, by not being seated for long periods of time. Sitting in front of the computer for long periods (which makes up a large bulk of my day) makes me lose a lot of sensation in my body. I'm also planning doing more stretches and simple yoga to hopefully boost circulation. Also adding in some bodyweight exercises.

It might even be a sign of some underlying issue, one related to a negative attitude toward the body, causing me to ignore the signs of discomfort. I often adopt unhealthy postures while sitting, somewhat constricting postures like hunching my back, crossing legs, supporting my upper body with my elbow on the table. I think there's an element of "flow constriction" in those postures which get released upon standing and stretching. I feel dizziness very often when I lean my neck to the back. I've also been described as having a hunched posture while standing.

Thanks for the concern! :)

 

[nicklebleu]

I think from this incident I need to learn to be more careful about my body, by not being seated for long periods of time. Sitting in front of the computer for long periods (which makes up a large bulk of my day) makes me lose a lot of sensation in my body. I'm also planning doing more stretches and simple yoga to hopefully boost circulation. Also adding in some bodyweight exercises.

Beetlemaniac,

Have you ever tried to work on a table that is high enough to do the work standing (I am not sure what the technical term in English is)?
This way you won't have the orthostatic problems you describe after sitting for a prolonged period of time. Of course it takes some getting used to, I guess. You could alternate that with sitting (if you have a laptop that is ... )

 

[nicklebleu]

I made an interesting observation recently with pipe breathing.

Last week I had a bout of flu, nothing dramatic, just one day off work and the weekend lazying around. A little bit of a runny nose and most of all, a nasty but barely productive cough. This cough was coming and going in fits. I would be ok for hours, but if I coughed just a few times, I would continue to do so for quite a while, like a self-feeding process. Needless to say I skipped the EE program, but did pipe breathing and the POTS.

One evening I had another of these coughing fits and I decided to do the pipe breathing ... and lo, and behold! - the coughing fit stopped almost instantly! I have tried that now on a number of occasions, also at work, and it seems to work consistently ... like fast-acting codeine.

Has anyone else had the same experience? If not, I am sure there might be enough "test subjects" to give this a try!
Let me know how you go!