Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[Mackenzie Farm]

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That's great news Mackenzie Farm! I'm very happy to hear that pipe breathing has helped you and hopefully will continue to help you. I think it's a plus that you have an idea of when a panic attack is about to start so that you'll know when to do some pipe breaths in order to calm your body down. Activating the rest/digest system of the body helps with deactivating the fight/flight system, so that might have been one of the reasons that may have helped you there :) Thanks for sharing MF, looking forward to read about any updates!

Hi Oxajil and thankyou for your comment,yes having sentor of the beginning of the panic attack is very useful especially now with a tool like pipe breathing, yes I'm happy with this result and I think I've to continue my search, in the end I don't know why this thing happen. As for " activating the rest/digest system of the body", I had not thought at the problem from this point of view and your comment had also reminded me of " In an unspoken voice " by P.A. Lavine, I've read it some time ago and he speaks in an extensive manner of the fight/flight dynamic, I've to read it again :).

 

[Dirgni]

Hi Alchemie,

I must make this also. I consider since some time to translate for myself the book High Strangeness . I would like to read it already since many years.

"High Strangeness" is not the easiest book to improve your English. :/ When you read it with a Kindle or Kindle app you can go with the pointer to a word you do not know and get an explanation in English. When you also buy a English/German Kindle dictionary, then you get an translation instead. You can download an Kindle app for free at amazon.de.

 

[Dirgni]

I am practicing EE for a while now and already see some changes for the better. Normally I am more balanced and patient now. During the last years sleep was not so good as you may wish. This improved since I practice EE regularly. Thank you so much for this.

Lately I had a lot of chattering in my mind during 3 stage breathing and I tend to fall asleep just before the PotS (maybe zoning :)). I have got an explanation EE forum and that this happens a lot of others, too.

There is a question about the Warrior's Breath: As far as I could see in the video one relaxes when pushing the hands in the air and tenses the arm muscles and the belly muscles when pulling the hands down?

 

[herondancer]

I am practicing EE for a while now and already see some changes for the better. Normally I am more balanced and patient now. During the last years sleep was not so good as you may wish. This improved since I practice EE regularly. Thank you so much for this.

Lately I had a lot of chattering in my mind during 3 stage breathing and I tend to fall asleep just before the PotS (maybe zoning :)). I have got an explanation EE forum and that this happens a lot of others, too.

There is a question about the Warrior's Breath: As far as I could see in the video one relaxes when pushing the hands in the air and tenses the arm muscles and the belly muscles when pulling the hands down?

Good to hear you are having good results. The chatter can come and go, just remember to bring your attention back to the counts, and you'll be fine. You're right about the muscle effort in Warrior's Breath. It's to help expel stale air from your lungs after you've got them opened up with 3-stage breath. The relaxing you see is the deep diaphragmatic breath you take before pulling your arms down and saying the "ha". I used to visualize it as squeezing a tube of toothpaste from the bottom really hard and the toothpaste/stale air squirting out. It was an effective image that made me chuckle. :)

 

[Dirgni]

Thank you for your help and the clarification herondancer.

The chatter can come and go, just remember to bring your attention back to the counts, and you'll be fine.

I just gently push the chatter away / let it go when it happens and go back to the counts.

I used to visualize it as squeezing a tube of toothpaste from the bottom really hard and the toothpaste/stale air squirting out. It was an effective image that made me chuckle. :)

Your tube of toothpaste image makes me chuckle, too. :)

 

[Vic]

Over the years I tried many types of meditation and breathing methods. I was initiated into TM when I was fifteen. I couldn't get it to work for me. In the following decades the nearest I got to 'success' was a buddhist style meditation. I did it every day and felt great. But it had no effect on my self-destruction tendencies. I just felt better about destroying myself.

Older, and hopefully a little wiser, I recently found EE. Or perhaps EE found me. Probably both.

The first six EE sessions were very powerful. I actually felt genuinely relaxed. One thing that I noticed though was the 'restless legs' syndrome. It always happened during the Bioenergetic breathing stage. I decided it was energy fizzing about in there, and it was quite uncomfortable. That energy was unable to rise higher into the rest of my body. Then in the 7th session it broke through and my whole body was full of it. It was comfortable. I felt strong and alive.

The 8th session was the same in terms of energy. This time though, during the Cosmic Divine Mind prayer, my brain/mind got into the zone. I only have one seeing eye, and it seemed that I was looking into that eye. It was a lovely experience. Then I went beyond the eye and felt as though I had dipped beneath my ego/programmed mind. What an experience! It's difficult to describe, but I know that most, if not all, of you will know what I mean.

EE is the only meditation/breathing system that I have ever looked forward to performing. It isn't a chore to be carried out as the other methods were. I'm relieved and grateful to have been introduced to EE.

 

[Yas]

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That's great news Mackenzie Farm! I'm very happy to hear that pipe breathing has helped you and hopefully will continue to help you. I think it's a plus that you have an idea of when a panic attack is about to start so that you'll know when to do some pipe breaths in order to calm your body down. Activating the rest/digest system of the body helps with deactivating the fight/flight system, so that might have been one of the reasons that may have helped you there :) Thanks for sharing MF, looking forward to read about any updates!

Hi Oxajil and thankyou for your comment,yes having sentor of the beginning of the panic attack is very useful especially now with a tool like pipe breathing, yes I'm happy with this result and I think I've to continue my search, in the end I don't know why this thing happen. As for " activating the rest/digest system of the body", I had not thought at the problem from this point of view and your comment had also reminded me of " In an unspoken voice " by P.A. Lavine, I've read it some time ago and he speaks in an extensive manner of the fight/flight dynamic, I've to read it again :).

Hi Mackenzie Farm!
I'm so glad to read your story! :)

I know you can understand the emotive impact of this event, the benefit for the self-esteem, the feeling of empowerment that come from a conscious decision of not give up, ignore the sense of defeat and given the right tool ( EE ) move into action and win.
So this is what I had to say for now but I'm continuing to experiment.

Yes it is quite an experience to be able to finally go over this episodes.

I also used to experience something similar to what you described and, at least for me, after the first time I had, like you, the idea to do pipe breath when I was going through that, I never again experienced such a bad episode. I guess that it is because you learn that you can BREATH so you kind of get out of that circle of fear and immobility. OSIT

I understand what you called the emotive impact of an event like that because it is true that suddenly one feels empowered to deal with something that was so overwhelming and scaring before. And this makes us feel capable of dealing with it from that moment on...

I would like to quote some words by P. A. Levine that where inspiring to me regarding this:

"When this natural resilience process [pendulation] has been shut down, it must be gently and gradually awakened. The mechanism that regulates a person's mood, vitality and health are dependent upon pendulation. When this rhythm is experienced, there is, at least, a tolerable balance between the pleasant and the unpleasant. People learn that whatever they are feeling (no matter how horrible it seems), it will last only seconds to minutes. And no matter how bad a particular sensation of feeling may be, knowing that it will change releases us from a sense of doom. The brain registers this new experience by tuning down its alarm/defeat bias. Where before, there was overwhelming immobility and collapse, the nervous system now finds its way back toward equilibrium. We cease to perceive everything as dangerous, and gradually, step by step, the doors of perception open to new possibilities...."

And also:

"Empowerment derives directly from expelling the physical attitude of defeat and helplessness and restoring the biologically meaningful active defense system - that is, the embodied triumph of successful protection and visceral actuality of competency. Such recognition also helps to dissolve the entrenched guilt and self-judgment that may be byproducts of helplessness and repressed/dissociated rage. By accessing an active and powerful experience, passivity of paralysis and collapse is countered."

I'm happy for you!

 

[Mackenzie Farm]

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That's great news Mackenzie Farm! I'm very happy to hear that pipe breathing has helped you and hopefully will continue to help you. I think it's a plus that you have an idea of when a panic attack is about to start so that you'll know when to do some pipe breaths in order to calm your body down. Activating the rest/digest system of the body helps with deactivating the fight/flight system, so that might have been one of the reasons that may have helped you there :) Thanks for sharing MF, looking forward to read about any updates!

Hi Oxajil and thankyou for your comment,yes having sentor of the beginning of the panic attack is very useful especially now with a tool like pipe breathing, yes I'm happy with this result and I think I've to continue my search, in the end I don't know why this thing happen. As for " activating the rest/digest system of the body", I had not thought at the problem from this point of view and your comment had also reminded me of " In an unspoken voice " by P.A. Lavine, I've read it some time ago and he speaks in an extensive manner of the fight/flight dynamic, I've to read it again :).

Hi Mackenzie Farm!
I'm so glad to read your story! :)

I know you can understand the emotive impact of this event, the benefit for the self-esteem, the feeling of empowerment that come from a conscious decision of not give up, ignore the sense of defeat and given the right tool ( EE ) move into action and win.
So this is what I had to say for now but I'm continuing to experiment.

Yes it is quite an experience to be able to finally go over this episodes.

I also used to experience something similar to what you described and, at least for me, after the first time I had, like you, the idea to do pipe breath when I was going through that, I never again experienced such a bad episode. I guess that it is because you learn that you can BREATH so you kind of get out of that circle of fear and immobility. OSIT

I understand what you called the emotive impact of an event like that because it is true that suddenly one feels empowered to deal with something that was so overwhelming and scaring before. And this makes us feel capable of dealing with it from that moment on...

I would like to quote some words by P. A. Levine that where inspiring to me regarding this:

"When this natural resilience process [pendulation] has been shut down, it must be gently and gradually awakened. The mechanism that regulates a person's mood, vitality and health are dependent upon pendulation. When this rhythm is experienced, there is, at least, a tolerable balance between the pleasant and the unpleasant. People learn that whatever they are feeling (no matter how horrible it seems), it will last only seconds to minutes. And no matter how bad a particular sensation of feeling may be, knowing that it will change releases us from a sense of doom. The brain registers this new experience by tuning down its alarm/defeat bias. Where before, there was overwhelming immobility and collapse, the nervous system now finds its way back toward equilibrium. We cease to perceive everything as dangerous, and gradually, step by step, the doors of perception open to new possibilities...."

And also:

"Empowerment derives directly from expelling the physical attitude of defeat and helplessness and restoring the biologically meaningful active defense system - that is, the embodied triumph of successful protection and visceral actuality of competency. Such recognition also helps to dissolve the entrenched guilt and self-judgment that may be byproducts of helplessness and repressed/dissociated rage. By accessing an active and powerful experience, passivity of paralysis and collapse is countered."

I'm happy for you!

Hi Acid Yazz :)

I'm happy too to hear you also have found relief from similar problems and thankyou for quoting the words of P.A. Levine because they resume exactly what it felt to me. And yes,as you said you learn that you can breath indeed, because in that moments your breath is too much shallow but you are not conscious of it, you are lost in panic, using EE you make a conscious decision to breath and refuse fear OSIT. I've always feared this events before recent evolution, people around didn't understood the why of such a thing,family doctors didn't considered it a big problem,at best they tended to give you pills for calm down, all this promoted depression and poor esteem of oneself. I think the sharing of experiences done on this forum is priceless and with the books of the reccommended list we also acquire knowledge, they are tools who consent us to take action, responsibility for ourself, without delegate to others.​

 

[Vic]

Is there any inherent problem in performing EE every day? I know that doing so would present issues to certain individuals, but in and of itself, would there be a problem?

Thanks.

 

[Yas]

Hi Vic!

As far as I understand, it is not recommended to do the Beatha portion more than one or two times per week because it is very powerful and the emotions that come out if you do it too often can be overwhelming. The idea is not force it too much. Most of us do it on Mondays and Tuesdays.

You can do the the 3 stage breathing exercises and the PotS every day, though.

 

[Ollie]

Hi Vic!

As far as I understand, it is not recommended to do the Beatha portion more than one or two times per week because it is very powerful and the emotions that come out if you do it too often can be overwhelming. The idea is not force it too much. Most of us do it on Mondays and Tuesdays.

You can do the the 3 stage breathing exercises and the PotS every day, though.

By way of explanation for doing it on Monday's and Thursdays, this was agreed from almost the beginning as a way of EE being done on a somewhat continual basis throughout the whole day, somewhere around the world.

Doing daily three-stage breathing and PotS in especially helpful for you if you do it just before you drop off to sleep. In this way it sets up your mind for DCM to work through you whilst you sleep.

 

[Vic]

Perfect feedback. Thanks Acid Yazz and Prodigal Son :)

 

[Lidia V.]

Hi Lidia V.,

The next thing I didn't mention before is that I during last month I have powerful sensations in my solar plexus and my stomach in general. I used to feel like vomiting or feel nauseous and had "bowel excitation" similar as at the initial stage after taking LSD ;)

I'm not quite sure what the wink is for, but we don't encourage the use of drugs here. I'm glad to read in your last post that you will be trying to get back to a more sober and balanced state :) Drugs only harm the body. The only way we can grow spiritually is to increase our knowledge and to apply that in our lives.

Coming back to your question, I agree that it'd be best if you continue EE, but without the Beatha portion. Having chemical imbalances in the brain and then doing the bioenergetic breathing can trigger certain reactions that could cause discomfort or be harmful.

Looking at your experiences, I think that, if you're interested, you would benefit a lot from making dietary changes in order to start healing your body and brain. Feeling like vomiting, feeling nauseous etc. can all have a connection to what you eat and drink. So all the weird experiences you may be having can actually be linked to gluten/casein (indigestible and harmful proteins) that affect the brain and body quite badly.

If you're interested, here is the Life Without Bread thread that you can read to get more information, or you could read the book "Primal Body, Primal Mind" by Nora Gedgaudas which is very helpful also. Hope this helps.

Hi Oxajil,
the wink is for people who knows what I am talking about (the sensations) from their own experience. I know about rules of this forum and used this reference only as a comparison. In my opinion, for some people such experiences are a good way to go to higher levels of consciousness but this is done with "foreign substances". In my opinion that is the point: to be more spiritual BUT without external means, otherwise we become addicted to something and addictions are no good... I continue EE without Beatha portion and became more stable. I'd like to add some insights about these feeling like vomiting. I think it happened to me because emotional cleansing process went to fast, I pushed too hard to release and became imbalanced. I was thinking a lot about these dividing into layers and came to a conclusion that it is related to splitting as a symptom of internal considering. Here I found a topic on this forum which is extremaly helpful for me and answered to many questions http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,31760.0.html
Regarding diet - I already made a lot of changes in my diet but I'm still not strict enough ... I k now this thread you mentioned and read it ocasionally. I will read the book you recommended as soon as I end my Castaneda serie - I'm at the 7th book now. Thanks Oxajil ;)

 

[beetlemaniac]

Regarding diet - I already made a lot of changes in my diet but I'm still not strict enough ... I k now this thread you mentioned and read it ocasionally. I will read the book you recommended as soon as I end my Castaneda serie - I'm at the 7th book now. Thanks Oxajil ;)

Hi Lidia, starting the diet without reading up on it can a lot of times not work to your advantage. Before going on any change of diet, you'd definitely want to know why you are doing it and what potential problems could come up during the process, right? If you're not being strict enough, you could be causing your body unnecessary harm. Also, a gradual process of change would be beneficial for healing and recovery.

All these are outlined in the thread mentioned by Oxajil which is very informative for practical knowledge of the diet, much like the way people are sharing their experiences about EE over here. If you want to make a good first step, wheat should be the first thing to cut out.

 

[daddycat]

Last night I felt nauseated sometime after eating a lot of bacon and sausage grease. I thought I might feel better doing full EE, like I did the previous time I felt nauseated. I didn't feel much better after 3 stage and warrior's breath, and I thought perhaps it was anticipation. I forgot about feeling better sometime during beatha, and by the end of meditation I felt good again. So it worked again!