Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[Mackenzie Farm]

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So I managed to calm down agitation and disperation and began to breath very slowly and deeply, also the heartbeatwas slowing down and, having nothing to do but to wait and endure, I started to observe the pain. At the time I knew few things about meditation and nothing about EE, that I was to find out some month later. I can only describe what happened like a ray of light in the dark, the more I was able to concentrate on the pain the more it seemed to fad away.

Hi Mackenzie Farm,
Glad to hear that you are able to find relief from the pain and have positive experiences and results from EE. You might consider sharing your experience on the EE forum - http://eiriu-eolas.org/forum/

Your description above reminded me of a quote from The Wave that was recently quoted in the Splitting as a Symptom of Internal Considering thread. Thought you might be interested in reading it.

http://cassiopaea.xmystic.com/en/cass/wave13g.htm

I'm sure that most readers have heard of some of the amazing feats of yogis of the East who have achieved control over not only their conscious minds, but also over what are considered to be solely autonomic systems of the body. Various disciplines are used, and we have already talked about the Way of the Yogi, the Fakir and the Monk, so we know the basic principles involved. And, we are going to take this principle and apply it in a new way here.

Taking just one example of what yogis and fakirs can do, i.e. consciously control pain, let's look at what might be happening.

In the brain, there is an area called the periaqueductal gray, located around the aqueduct between the third and fourth ventricles of the midbrain. It is filled with opiate receptors, making it a control area for pain perception. It is also loaded with receptors for virtually all the neuropeptides that have been studied.

What seems to happen when yogis and fakirs learn to control their perception of pain is that they are able to gain access to this area of the brain with conscious intent and to RESET the pain threshold. That is to say: reframed by conscious expectations and subconscious beliefs, pain can be abolished by being interpreted as either a neutral experience or even pleasure.

Hi Bear

Of course I'll be glad to share my experience on EE forum and thank you for suggesting the thread " Splitting as a Symptom of Internal Considering " I'll read it, I'm really interested in the subject.

In conclusion I can say that EE ( the all program ) has become part of my life, and not only for the healt and relaxing benefits, I see it as a precious instrument for the exploration of myself.

Thanks for the sharing opportunity.

Thank you for sharing your experience

I don't know if you are familiarized with the diet research in this forum. If not, I will highly encourage you to check it out, starting from "Life Without Bread". It is extremely helpful in more levels than one. A good book that synthesizes much of the discussions is "Primal Body, Primal Mind" by Nora Gedgaudas. It is a good start-up.

Onwards with the healing journey!

In conclusion I can say that EE ( the all program ) has become part of my life, and not only for the healt and relaxing benefits, I see it as a precious instrument for the exploration of myself.

Thanks for the sharing opportunity.

Thank you for sharing your experience

I don't know if you are familiarized with the diet research in this forum. If not, I will highly encourage you to check it out, starting from "Life Without Bread". It is extremely helpful in more levels than one. A good book that synthesizes much of the discussions is "Primal Body, Primal Mind" by Nora Gedgaudas. It is a good start-up.

Onwards with the healing journey!

This is wonderful that you have been able to reduce your headaches and the length/severity of the remaining ones you have with EE, MF. I do agree with Psyche about looking at the Life Without Bread thread, though. If nothing else, eliminating anything with grains/dairy in them would probably help you immensely.

In conclusion I can say that EE ( the all program ) has become part of my life, and not only for the healt and relaxing benefits, I see it as a precious instrument for the exploration of myself.

Thanks for the sharing opportunity.

Thank you for sharing your experience

I don't know if you are familiarized with the diet research in this forum. If not, I will highly encourage you to check it out, starting from "Life Without Bread". It is extremely helpful in more levels than one. A good book that synthesizes much of the discussions is "Primal Body, Primal Mind" by Nora Gedgaudas. It is a good start-up.

Onwards with the healing journey!

This is wonderful that you have been able to reduce your headaches and the length/severity of the remaining ones you have with EE, MF. I do agree with Psyche about looking at the Life Without Bread thread, though. If nothing else, eliminating anything with grains/dairy in them would probably help you immensely.

Hi Psyche, Nienna and Seekin Truth

Thankyou for your suggestions, I've the two books mentioned, I took a quick glance , but thenI've been distracted by some others books of the racommended list and so they're sitting on the bookcase yet. Yes I'm familiar with the diet research of the forum so that I've began to experiment with supplementation,the simple ones, like Vitamin C, Vitamin B complex, Vitamin D ( cod oil ) and Magnesium; I felt better. I tried also some recipes: Buckwheat dates bread and pancakes, I liked them very much.
As for dairy, I can't eat dairy because I would feel really bad in few hours from ingestion and so can be said for the large part of fruit, vegetable, yests. I'm working toward a diet I can sustein, but it's not always simple.

Thanks again to all of you

 

[Lindenlea]

This morning, during the Beatha part of EE, I started to feel the pains in my wrists and ankles from all the heavy duty gardening I've been doing the last few days. The more I concentrated on keeping up with the rhythm of the excercise and less on anything else (I zone out a lot usually) the easier my wrists and ankles felt, by the end of that session I was pain free.....amazing :)

 

[mada85]

This week's update on my experiences with EE. The detox reaction of tiredness during the day and needing extra sleep is happening in cycles. Each session of EE (Monday and Thursday) triggers a fresh round which eases off before the next session. Zoning out a lot during the POTS section - usually from the beginning until Laura's voice stops.

It's only two weeks since I recommenced regular EE practice, but the results are nothing short of amazing. I've effortlessly reduced carbs so they are now very low. I do better with a very low amount of carbs instead of none, although this weekend I'm trying the experiment of eating nothing but butter and will reintroduce bacon and eggs tomorrow.

My mind is clearer, and the EE practice has helped me in other ways too - organically (if that's the right word!) finding the next piece of knowledge or book to look into. Stress reduction, increased patience and compassion with myself, keener observation of self and others. And more housework! A result of naturally wanting to pay greater attention to my environment, something I have in the past found too easy to neglect.

This morning, during the Beatha part of EE, I started to feel the pains in my wrists and ankles from all the heavy duty gardening I've been doing the last few days. The more I concentrated on keeping up with the rhythm of the excercise and less on anything else (I zone out a lot usually) the easier my wrists and ankles felt, by the end of that session I was pain free.....amazing :)

That is amazing! Yet another unlooked for benefit of this technique. :)

 

[Oxajil]

This morning, during the Beatha part of EE, I started to feel the pains in my wrists and ankles from all the heavy duty gardening I've been doing the last few days. The more I concentrated on keeping up with the rhythm of the excercise and less on anything else (I zone out a lot usually) the easier my wrists and ankles felt, by the end of that session I was pain free.....amazing :)

That is amazing! Yet another unlooked for benefit of this technique. :)

I've also noticed that EE reduces pain. If I'm not mistaken, the breathing exercises seem to release our natural pain-killers, the endorphins. I've observed that doing the three stage breathing whenever my eye gets tense and painful, the pain reduces for a great part. I've also noticed that the Beatha part (when doing the whole program) seems to reduce pain even more.

There was a period when I was so low in energy that I couldn't get myself to do EE that much, but having started doing it again some time ago following the recommended schedule, I am reminded of how beneficial the effects are for me. One thing I really started to understand is that stress can be a big factor when it comes to the immune system not being up to par. Definitely when it comes to nasty viruses... So I'll be doing my best to keep this up.

Some other things I've noticed when doing the three stage breathing and meditation before sleeping: I dream more often, I fall asleep fast, and I wake up earlier feeling more rested. This is compared to that period when I didn't practice EE as often. So yea, amazing indeed!

 

[Mrs.Tigersoap]

My mind is clearer, and the EE practice has helped me in other ways too - organically (if that's the right word!) finding the next piece of knowledge or book to look into. Stress reduction, increased patience and compassion with myself, keener observation of self and others. And more housework! A result of naturally wanting to pay greater attention to my environment, something I have in the past found too easy to neglect.

Wow, that's great to hear (read) Endymion! Onward and upward! :)

 

[Ollie]

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... One thing I really started to understand is that stress can be a big factor when it comes to the immune system not being up to par. Definitely when it comes to nasty viruses... So I'll be doing my best to keep this up.

Some other things I've noticed when doing the three stage breathing and meditation before sleeping: I dream more often, I fall asleep fast, and I wake up earlier feeling more rested. This is compared to that period when I didn't practice EE as often. So yea, amazing indeed!

Stress and the immune system, and for that matter inflammation - one leads to other, any way round, at least that's what I've found.

Also, there are times, before sleep, especially when tired that after doing three stage pipe breathing, I fall asleep before getting to PotS. :) Then doing PotS when I get up in the night to go to the bathroom. :)

 

[Oxajil]

Stress and the immune system, and for that matter inflammation - one leads to other, any way round, at least that's what I've found.

Yes definitely.

Also, there are times, before sleep, especially when tired that after doing three stage pipe breathing, I fall asleep before getting to PotS. :) Then doing PotS when I get up in the night to go to the bathroom. :)

Clever! Can't think of a better program for a good night sleep :)

 

[Mackenzie Farm]

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Hi

Please,I don't know if this is the right place, but I have some questions. I've been asked to consider sharing my experience with EE on the EE forum - http://eiriu - eolas.org/forum/, so I went there and tried to login with username and password I use to enter Cassiopaea forum but it didn't functioned so, here my questions:

1 is EE forum a separate entity and I have to register on it like I did on this one?

2 if yes, before registration, do I have to download some sort of program ( from www.phpbb.com otherwise I would not be able to access ) or, can I simply click on " I agree to these terms " at the end of the page ?

3 as for login do I need a new password? I mean not the one I use to login in Cassiopaea forum?

Thankyou

 

[mcb]

1. Yes 2 No. 3. No but a good idea.

(On my phone in quick answer mode ):)

 

[Mackenzie Farm]

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1. Yes 2 No. 3. No but a good idea.

(On my phone in quick answer mode ):)

Thankyou very much Megan

 

[SMM]

Some other things I've noticed when doing the three stage breathing and meditation before sleeping: I dream more often, I fall asleep fast, and I wake up earlier feeling more rested. This is compared to that period when I didn't practice EE as often. So yea, amazing indeed!

I can relate to feeling more rested, despite how much or little I sleep. I think the diet has contributed towards that.

Last night I did three stage breathing & POTS - had an image of a rooster come to me during three stage breathing with emotional flavour which lead to physical trembles. My mind was clearer afterwards in a most unusual way.

My mind is clearer, and the EE practice has helped me in other ways too - organically (if that's the right word!) finding the next piece of knowledge or book to look into. Stress reduction, increased patience and compassion with myself, keener observation of self and others. And more housework! A result of naturally wanting to pay greater attention to my environment, something I have in the past found too easy to neglect.

Same here! Frequent EE practice has helped my focus or finding the next piece.

 

[Alcarohtare]

I haven't shared nothing of mine experiences with EE for too long.

I've had long time struggle with regular practicing i.e. ignoring, sad but true.
Wasn't ready to release and cope out with my emotional pain until the point i couldn't take it anymore.
Therefore, lately i'm doing Three Stage Breathing and Warrior's Breath every night before sleep, having problems with Round Breathing though, just like i've had before. While doing Beatha portion i'm experiencing head ache constantly, as well as certain discomfort and nervousness, every single time. I often do it until accelerated part but i couldn't continue it so far. I should try harder, i guess, just disregard this headache and do it twice a week? I found round breathing within Prayer of the Soul to be more gentle and suitable for me, at least for now.

Anyway, it has overall been, and it is, very helpful and calming, sharpening my attention within myself, clearing my mind and improving concentration.
Last night i've experienced crying attack in the middle of Second Stage as well as some kind of discomfort in my whole torzo. I stopped, cried and then continued with Third Stage and all discomfort was gone. Warrior's Breath especially helps me with releasing great amount of tension, very powerful piece.

Good thing is that i have no intent and won't let my false self/ignoring disturbs me again with my breathing, at least. As Gurdjieff said, without mastering breathing, nothing can be mastered.

 

[beetlemaniac]

I've had long time struggle with regular practicing i.e. ignoring, sad but true.
Wasn't ready to release and cope out with my emotional pain until the point i couldn't take it anymore.
Therefore, lately i'm doing Three Stage Breathing and Warrior's Breath every night before sleep, having problems with Round Breathing though, just like i've had before. While doing Beatha portion i'm experiencing head ache constantly, as well as certain discomfort and nervousness, every single time. I often do it until accelerated part but i couldn't continue it so far. I should try harder, i guess, just disregard this headache and do it twice a week? I found round breathing within Prayer of the Soul to be more gentle and suitable for me, at least for now.

Sounds a lot like its a good idea to follow your intuition and take it easy for now, avoiding Beatha until you feel more comfortable. After all, your body will only respond well when it is treated gently and not rushed, when following this program. Trying to cope with more that you currently are able to might cause a backlash or retraumatisation. Is there any reason why you think you need to "try harder" at it?

Anyway, it has overall been, and it is, very helpful and calming, sharpening my attention within myself, clearing my mind and improving concentration.
Last night i've experienced crying attack in the middle of Second Stage as well as some kind of discomfort in my whole torzo. I stopped, cried and then continued with Third Stage and all discomfort was gone. Warrior's Breath especially helps me with releasing great amount of tension, very powerful piece.

Isn't it good that you are getting some positive results? More reason to take things at your pace. If the earlier portions are already affecting you in such a way (discomfort and crying) then, again, better to go slow.

Good thing is that i have no intent and won't let my false self/ignoring disturbs me again with my breathing, at least. As Gurdjieff said, without mastering breathing, nothing can be mastered.

I think it's great that you are able to concentrate without the false self distracting you, something which I struggle with a lot!

 

[Alcarohtare]

I've had long time struggle with regular practicing i.e. ignoring, sad but true.
Wasn't ready to release and cope out with my emotional pain until the point i couldn't take it anymore.
Therefore, lately i'm doing Three Stage Breathing and Warrior's Breath every night before sleep, having problems with Round Breathing though, just like i've had before. While doing Beatha portion i'm experiencing head ache constantly, as well as certain discomfort and nervousness, every single time. I often do it until accelerated part but i couldn't continue it so far. I should try harder, i guess, just disregard this headache and do it twice a week? I found round breathing within Prayer of the Soul to be more gentle and suitable for me, at least for now.

Sounds a lot like its a good idea to follow your intuition and take it easy for now, avoiding Beatha until you feel more comfortable. After all, your body will only respond well when it is treated gently and not rushed, when following this program. Trying to cope with more that you currently are able to might cause a backlash or retraumatisation. Is there any reason why you think you need to "try harder" at it?

Anyway, it has overall been, and it is, very helpful and calming, sharpening my attention within myself, clearing my mind and improving concentration.
Last night i've experienced crying attack in the middle of Second Stage as well as some kind of discomfort in my whole torzo. I stopped, cried and then continued with Third Stage and all discomfort was gone. Warrior's Breath especially helps me with releasing great amount of tension, very powerful piece.

Isn't it good that you are getting some positive results? More reason to take things at your pace. If the earlier portions are already affecting you in such a way (discomfort and crying) then, again, better to go slow.

Good thing is that i have no intent and won't let my false self/ignoring disturbs me again with my breathing, at least. As Gurdjieff said, without mastering breathing, nothing can be mastered.

I think it's great that you are able to concentrate without the false self distracting you, something which I struggle with a lot!

I agree it's better to follow intuition and take it slowly and gently, not rushing and forcing myself into stages for which i'm obviously not ready yet, so ''trying harder'' doesn't seem to have much sense. I'll do it so and progressively watch ongoing process.
Thanks, beetlemaniac.

 

[Ollie]

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I agree it's better to follow intuition and take it slowly and gently, not rushing and forcing myself into stages for which i'm obviously not ready yet, so ''trying harder'' doesn't seem to have much sense. I'll do it so and progressively watch ongoing process.
Thanks, beetlemaniac.

I agree that it is better to follow intuition, take it slowly and gently, there is no one way that is 'best', it is just where your body-mind-emotional complex is. If it helps ay all, to show that you are among others similarly 'beatha challenged' :) , it is over two years since I last incorporated beatha, and currently have no inclination to include it. There is more than enough to cope with as it is, and, PotS and three-stage pipe breathing are the most important parts.

Have fun in the process. :D