Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[mada85]

Could anyone help me to interpret these visualisations? I'm a bit confused and don't know what to do. It seems like some kind of information is coming straight to my brain

Thanks for sharing your experiences with EE.

I think that EE affects people differently according to genetic make-up, soul potential - in short, a whole host of factors. I think the main thing though is that it is very gentle yet profound.

Have you tried writing about your experiences in your journal? That may help you to get a handle on things, to discern patterns in the experiences and understand any symbolism that may be present.

These visualisation don't appear after breathing exercises but before I go to bed or at night when I'm half awake. They are kind of border-experiences.

Sounds like they could be hypnogogic in nature. Here's a snippet from Wikipedia:

Hypnagogia is the experience of the transitional states to and from sleep: the hypnagogic and the hypnopompic states of consciousness. The related words from the Greek are agōgos "leading, inducing", pompe "act of sending", and hypnos "sleep".

"Hypnagogia" entered the popular psychology literature through Dr Andreas Mavromatis in his 1983 thesis,[1] while "hypnagogic" and "hypnopompic" were coined by others in the 1800s and noted by Havelock Ellis. The term "hypnagogic" was originally coined by Alfred Maury[2][3] to name the state of consciousness during the onset of sleep. "Hypnopompic" was coined by Frederic Myers soon afterwards to denote the onset of wakefulness. The term "hypnagogia" is used by Dr Mavromatis to identify the study of the sleep-transitional consciousness states in general, and he employs hypnogogic (toward sleep) or hypnapompic (from sleep) for the purpose of identifying the specific experiences under study.[4]

Mental phenomena that occur during this "threshold consciousness" phase include lucid dreaming, hallucinations, and sleep paralysis.

That doesn't of course preclude them from being true sendings or visions. I think there's a fine line here between hypnogogic events and the possibility that the 'threshold consciousness' state allows the mind to receive other impressions.

 

[mkrnhr]

Hi astrozombie,
Immersion usually refers to a deep mental involvement in something. The main purpose of the EE program is cleansing (emotional, mental..) and and a gentle reconnection of the different centers of being. As you can read from the different testimonies, many colateral phenomena or sensation may occur: "seeing" lights, images, objects, places, etc. As for other phenomena of the same kind, it can be a distraction from the aims of the Work. Phenomenon chasing distracts from the Work and boost the false ego (feeling special, spiritual, etc.)
When they occur accidentally, that's okay, they might be a reminder that our world is not limited to our physical experience, but "immersing" oneself to those experiences (perpetuating them, becoming obsessed) may be detrimental because they can be dangerous and useless. Out of body phenomena are part of those useless and potentially dangerous activities.
You may want to consider the material presented in the Wave series for more details on the matter.
Hope it helps.

Edit: clarification

 

[aragorn]

Different people have different ideas of and experience "immersion" differently so what you're saying is very subjective and not very considerate. Immersion ends up being whatever one wants it to be, and pure subjectivity is dangerous and pointless for one wanting to grow.

OSIT

I can't find any reason for your aversion to the word "immerse" since one of it's widely accepted definitions is to engage oneself in wholly or deeply, much like a scholar does when researching a subject or looking for the truth.

Perhaps you believe the danger lies elsewhere because I do not follow your logic to this being dangerous by subjectivity alone.

The thing that comes to my mind while reading the discussion above, is that - as I see it - some of the main motives for doing the EE-meditation are cleansing of trauma, waking the emotional center, rejuvenation, growth of knowledge (self,surroundings, relationships, problems), connect to the "higher self", stress reduction. An OOBE could happen during the meditation, but as I see it, one shouldn't have that as the main objective. I've experienced OOBE:s several times while sleeping (not while meditating), and it did not feel "right" or in any way productive. I often do "zone out" while meditating, and it feels different than an OOBE - it's a positive experience. There's the theory that while zoning out you're connected to your higher self. An OOBE feels more like a disconnection - floating helpless in the "astral jungle". At least that is my experience.

 

[Oxajil]

Could anyone help me to interpret these visualisations? I'm a bit confused and don't know what to do. It seems like some kind of information is coming straight to my brain
If this is not the right topic - please put this text in a more proper place
Thank you

Hi Lidia, thanks for sharing! Here is something that Laura wrote in this thread that may help you:

Generally, when certain channels/circuits begin to clear and open, but are not yet tuned, all kinds of stuff gets picked up. It's like turning on a radio receiver or a TV that is "between stations" or receiving interference. You can see faces, hear sounds, experience all kinds of interdimensional stuff. The key is to not get distracted by that stuff. Keep your eyes and focus on the light/knowledge.

 

[astrozombie]

As for other phenomena of the same kind, it can be a distraction from the aims of the Work. Phenomenon chasing distracts from the Work and boost the false ego (feeling special, spiritual, etc.)

Thanks Mkrnhr.

Now I see where the perceived danger lies. I'm sure you can understand my confusion to the original comment on my post.

It sounded like a catch-all in which the word "immerse" could easily be replaced by any word. There are widely accepted uses of certain words and I understand that their meanings can change from time to time, as innocent words can have whole new meanings within groups. Furnace for example doesn't make someone who is Jewish feel warm and fuzzy.

 

[Lidia V.]

Thank you all for all the comments :) I'm so happy to read them...

astrozombie - thanks for naming my experiences OOBE. I don't feel special or spiritual at all...maybe just a bit crazy :)))
Regarding immersing - I'm rather an observer than an active actor during these "trips". Actually - when I try to control them and keep in mind longer - I fall asleep :) Recently I tried Castaneda's trick - to find hands during sleeping. After couple of times - I saw them and in a moment I "felt myself together" All of these visualisations were coming spontanously, from the very beginning

Endymion - I wrote a lot of stuff about these visualisations...they were also connected ( I suspect) my previous reincarnations, seeing the Big Bang, feeling cycles of life and so on. It is very likely that my experiences are hypnagogical in nature and are examples of 'threshold consciousness' . Thanks for that info.

mkrnhr - I also experienced emotional cleansing, I found out what my big problem was, and it was present in my whole life and probably had been extending during my past lives. It is also connected with "meeting" one person who helped me to understand my nature. I had only telepathic contact with this person and didn't have a chance to meet personally. I still need to dig on it.


Aragorn and Oxajil - my main objective to do EE program was - to feel better and help myself to understand what is going on in me and around me. Now I feel like an observer who observes a lot of things in my head. Recently I saw some 3d structures coming out from the Earth...like the Earth was waking up ;) I also felt the energy of Pyramids, that ther is some power in them....there were 2 of them, they were coming further and closer to each other. They formed a shape similar in Merkaba meditation - 2 tetrahedrons linked together

Thank you for quoting Laura's words "Keep your eyes and focus on the light/knowledge." Without knowledge I would be like a blind man in vain.
Thank you all, I will stay alert and keep an eye on my experiences

 

[Mackenzie Farm]

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Hello

I'm new but I would like to share my experience about headache and painkillers. I suffer of headache (cervical region ) since the age of 25 (now I'm 52 ), it's really a long time and when things become bad, it expande to all the head making any movement painful so the doctor put me on Ketoprofene, an non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug.

On 2007 I was diagnosed ulcerative colitis and my gastroenterologist told me that Ketoprofene and similar drugs were non good because it could give profuse bleedings, if needed I was to take Paracetamol. A year ago things went worse, headache attacks become more frequent and intense, I was depressed, tired, it was difficult to work, to sleep or simply to have a life and then something happened. During an attack particularly intense, and non wanting to take too much pills in short time, I simply surrended and accepted the pain; apparently there was nothing I could do to convince that agony to go away.

So I managed to calm down agitation and disperation and began to breath very slowly and deeply, also the heartbeatwas slowing down and, having nothing to do but to wait and endure, I started to observe the pain. At the time I knew few things about meditation and nothing about EE, that I was to find out some month later. I can only describe what happened like a ray of light in the dark, the more I was able to concentrate on the pain the more it seemed to fad away. Well, what a curious thing, but I liked it, thank God something I could work on, there was hope indeed. A lot of search started on the subject, I went also to an omeopathic doctor who helped me to change my diet, but it was only after I begin to regularly practice EE that things took a turn for the better, my life was transformed, no more tiredness and depression, more relaxed and active in everyday life; as for the headache attacks, they are decreased and so intensity and duration of each episode, fewer pills.
And talking about pills, I had to try to cut in half the dosage of each pill I took ( from 1g of Paracetamol to 500mg ) and the result was exellent; from 500mg to 250mg it was also good only a bit more time was needed for the pain to go.

In conclusion I can say that EE ( the all program ) has become part of my life, and not only for the healt and relaxing benefits, I see it as a precious instrument for the exploration of myself.

Thanks for the sharing opportunity.

 

[Gaby]

In conclusion I can say that EE ( the all program ) has become part of my life, and not only for the healt and relaxing benefits, I see it as a precious instrument for the exploration of myself.

Thanks for the sharing opportunity.

Thank you for sharing your experience

I don't know if you are familiarized with the diet research in this forum. If not, I will highly encourage you to check it out, starting from "Life Without Bread". It is extremely helpful in more levels than one. A good book that synthesizes much of the discussions is "Primal Body, Primal Mind" by Nora Gedgaudas. It is a good start-up.

Onwards with the healing journey!

 

[Mike]

So I managed to calm down agitation and disperation and began to breath very slowly and deeply, also the heartbeatwas slowing down and, having nothing to do but to wait and endure, I started to observe the pain. At the time I knew few things about meditation and nothing about EE, that I was to find out some month later. I can only describe what happened like a ray of light in the dark, the more I was able to concentrate on the pain the more it seemed to fad away.

Hi Mackenzie Farm,
Glad to hear that you are able to find relief from the pain and have positive experiences and results from EE. You might consider sharing your experience on the EE forum - http://eiriu-eolas.org/forum/

Your description above reminded me of a quote from The Wave that was recently quoted in the Splitting as a Symptom of Internal Considering thread. Thought you might be interested in reading it.

http://cassiopaea.xmystic.com/en/cass/wave13g.htm

I'm sure that most readers have heard of some of the amazing feats of yogis of the East who have achieved control over not only their conscious minds, but also over what are considered to be solely autonomic systems of the body. Various disciplines are used, and we have already talked about the Way of the Yogi, the Fakir and the Monk, so we know the basic principles involved. And, we are going to take this principle and apply it in a new way here.

Taking just one example of what yogis and fakirs can do, i.e. consciously control pain, let's look at what might be happening.

In the brain, there is an area called the periaqueductal gray, located around the aqueduct between the third and fourth ventricles of the midbrain. It is filled with opiate receptors, making it a control area for pain perception. It is also loaded with receptors for virtually all the neuropeptides that have been studied.

What seems to happen when yogis and fakirs learn to control their perception of pain is that they are able to gain access to this area of the brain with conscious intent and to RESET the pain threshold. That is to say: reframed by conscious expectations and subconscious beliefs, pain can be abolished by being interpreted as either a neutral experience or even pleasure.

 

[astrozombie]

I just wanted to make a comment about EE. I was taught to use a different breathing technique to relieve this, and another technique to relieve that, and so on and so.

While each technique works wonder to relieve what it said it would, EE relieves them all!

It is amazing how the techniques are similar but the subtle differences make amazing differences in results.

In my personal but otherwise unqualified opinion, EE must have come from the DCM. Had to.

Don't misunderstand me, other techniques can play their role while building up to using EE (I read the many problems people were having while practicing the EE technique) but once someone has reached the ability to utilize EE properly, I personally see little use for any others, however please refer to my statement above about being unqualified to say such things.

 

[Mrs.Tigersoap]

Don't misunderstand me, other techniques can play their role while building up to using EE (I read the many problems people were having while practicing the EE technique) but once someone has reached the ability to utilize EE properly, I personally see little use for any others, however please refer to my statement above about being unqualified to say such things.

Great to see you're liking it so much, Astrozombie! :)

FWIW, this has been my experience as well. Personally, I knew some breathing techniques but EE immediately 'felt different'. Sometimes, during a kinesiology session, I begin to explain how to relieve stress at home with pipe breathing to a client and they sometimes go 'yeah, yeah, I know that one is supposed to breathe with the belly' ('been there, done that') and then I tell them 'well, let's make a round together anyway' and then I usually see their expression change because, no, this is not your usual 'deep breathing' technique. And that's only the pipe breathing, not the whole program!

 

[astrozombie]

Don't misunderstand me, other techniques can play their role while building up to using EE (I read the many problems people were having while practicing the EE technique) but once someone has reached the ability to utilize EE properly, I personally see little use for any others, however please refer to my statement above about being unqualified to say such things.

Great to see you're liking it so much, Astrozombie! :)

FWIW, this has been my experience as well. Personally, I knew some breathing techniques but EE immediately 'felt different'. Sometimes, during a kinesiology session, I begin to explain how to relieve stress at home with pipe breathing to a client and they sometimes go 'yeah, yeah, I know that one is supposed to breathe with the belly' ('been there, done that') and then I tell them 'well, let's make a round together anyway' and then I usually see their expression change because, no, this is not your usual 'deep breathing' technique. And that's only the pipe breathing, not the whole program!

I am one of those that always held in my gut so I could about my day comfortable in the illusion that, by doing so, my little/not so little pot belly wouldn't be so obvious. The other reason I did so was out of STO....didn't want to put someone's eye out in the event a button was to snap off and hit someone in the face.

However, once I cut out 90% of my carbs, that ceased to be a problem.

 

[Nienna]

In conclusion I can say that EE ( the all program ) has become part of my life, and not only for the healt and relaxing benefits, I see it as a precious instrument for the exploration of myself.

Thanks for the sharing opportunity.

Thank you for sharing your experience

I don't know if you are familiarized with the diet research in this forum. If not, I will highly encourage you to check it out, starting from "Life Without Bread". It is extremely helpful in more levels than one. A good book that synthesizes much of the discussions is "Primal Body, Primal Mind" by Nora Gedgaudas. It is a good start-up.

Onwards with the healing journey!

This is wonderful that you have been able to reduce your headaches and the length/severity of the remaining ones you have with EE, MF. I do agree with Psyche about looking at the Life Without Bread thread, though. If nothing else, eliminating anything with grains/dairy in them would probably help you immensely.

 

[SeekinTruth]

Yup, no grains and no dairy (except butter/ghee) "paleo" diet or even better ketogenic diet combined with EE is a winner in SO many ways. Glad to here the positive experiences. :)

 

[monotonic]

I found the thread on it in here and it is of great interest to me. Though, at the moment am unemployed with no $ coming in, so funds for books are non existent. (But as this would be the perfect time to work on this.) If you know of someway I can read, In An Unspoken Voice in full please, let me know. I would love to get my hands on it.



Again, Thank you !

Have you been able to get a hold of this book yet?