Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[Alchemie]

Hallo,
ich habe mich kürzlich auch für das FOTCM beworben. Ich hatte letztes Jahr die online-Version angeschaut und die Atmung mit der Vagus Nerv Stimulation ausprobiert. Danach hatte ich irgendwie kurzeitig eine bessere Sehstärke. Das habe ich deutlich gemerkt, weil ich kurzsichtig bin.

Ich möchte die EE Atmung richtig anwenden. Dazu hätte ich momentan nur Nachts Zeit, wenn meine kleine Tochter (13 Monate alt) schläft. Aber es ist zu laut... Sie schläft nämlich bei mir im Bett, weil ich von Anfang an Wert auf eine engere Mutter-Kind-Bindung lege.

Das andere Problem ist, dass man sich gehen lassen muss (z.B. schreien). Ich weiß, dass ich schwere Traumata habe, schlimme Sachen erlebt habe...Deswegen mache ich das auch.


Kann mir jemand ein Tipp geben, wie ich trotzdem die Sache angehen kann, hat jemand ähnliche Erfahrungen?

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Hello,
I have applied recently also for the FOTCM. I had looked the last year at the on-line version and had tried out the respiration with the Vagus nerve stimulation. Then I had anyhow health resort-early a better visual strength. I have clearly noticed this because I am shortsighted.

I would like to apply the respiration EE properly. In addition I would have at the moment Only at night time if my small daughter sleeps (13 month-old). But it is too loudly... She sleeps because with me in the bed because I think highly from the outset of a narrower mother's child's connection.

The other problem is that one itself must allow to be a matter to shout (e.g.). I know that I have heavy traumas, bad things has experienced... So I also make this.


Can somebody give me a tip how can I concern the thing, nevertheless, does somebody have similar experiences?

 

[Alchemie]

Mir fiel eben eine Möglichkeit ein. Mein Mann muss dann mit ihr Spazieren gehen. Die fortschrittlichen Dinge kann ich später angehen.


Just a possibility occurred to me. Then my husband must go with her walking. I can concern the advanced things later.

 

[Carl]

Hello Alchemie,

Are you saying that you are having trouble with the Warrior's breath because it is too loud? I have trouble understanding the translation.

Perhaps you could post this question in the Deutsch sub-forum?

 

[Lidia V.]

Hello again,
I'd like to share some more info about my experiences with EE. I found out that I used involuntary one of 4 techniques to induce OOBE - falling asleep for couple of hours, than being awake for 1 hour or more and then go to sleep again with a feeling of being half-awake. Recently I've been so tired that after my son drunk his milk - I felt asleep next to him, than woke up about 1 am with an unpleasant feeling of finishing some things (emotional stress - I always have something to do in the evening), I was awake until 2 or 3 am and was finishing my stuff, sometimes doing whole EE program in the end and then I went to bed again and had another emotional stress with falling asleep again...

Quoatation from Wikipedia:

"Those experiencing OBEs sometimes report (among other types of immediate and spontaneous experience) a preceding and initiating lucid-dream state. In many cases, people who claim to have had an OBE report being on the verge of sleep, or being already asleep shortly before the experience. A large percentage of these cases refer to situations where the sleep was not particularly deep (due to illness, noises in other rooms, emotional stress, exhaustion from overworking, frequent re-awakening, etc.). In most of these cases the subjects then feel themselves awake."
I didn't have this feeling of coming out of my body, rather seeing differently, but it was not my intention to come out of my body.
Anyway - I did a short test - I stopped doing EE program for one week. These 3d visualisations became less expressive and started to fade out. My vivid dreams also stopped, they became "regular". I also stopped having a feeling of how my few close friends are doing and what they feel (previously I was able to guess how they feel - that was kind of telepathic bond). That's funny - but I also felt worse...seems like my little depressive attitude started to crane its neck again, I became weepy and couldn't control my emotions and had terrible quarrels with my husband.

The next thing I didn't mention before is that I during last month I have powerful sensations in my solar plexus and my stomach in general. I used to feel like vomiting or feel nauseous and had "bowel excitation" similar as at the initial stage after taking LSD ;) I also had a feeling of trembling/blinking, like my body wanted to divide into layers. Once, I also had a strange feeling that I'm changing structure/falling apart and the only substance I can compare this - was a crystal. Sounds funny but I felt like I'm crystallizing. Matter was sticky and gluey and similar to very thick sauce in consistence. All of it happens when I'm in this half/awake state, more at nights.
I must say that I felt a bit afraid...In general I behave normally - go to work, have parties, meet my friends, take care of my son and feel rather healthy. My question to more advanced users is: do you thing that I shall proceed with EE program? Or maybe try not to practise it every day? Have anyone had similar experiences? I'm a bit confused... I also noticed one thing - I started to have a terrible disgust to alcohol and other substances I used to take before I became a mother. After pregnancy I tried to come back to them but I couldn't...Seems like EE blocked my body to assimilate toxins and caused me to work harder soberly.
I will be grateful for replies. Thank you

 

[mkrnhr]

Hi Lidia V.
Since you have some history with using brain damaging substances, it would be preferable to skip the beatha portion (bio-energetic breathing) of the program until you recover from the chemical imbalance they have introduced.
Other then that, be careful of any subjective interpretation like crystallization or whatnot of sensations you may have during the cleansing process. Our imagination can go wild when the main things we experience are just chemical/neurological.
Hope it helps.

 

[Lidia V.]

Hi mkrnhr,
could you explain why it would be preferable for me to skip Beatha portion? Has anybody done any research on how it works on brains affected with drugs? I didn't find any information on EE site that it might be dangerous. Or this is just your insight? Regarding chemical imbalance - do you mean that it would be advisable to carry some overall detoxification? But I have no idea how to find out when I will recover....hm. Do you think that my experiences give a straight evidence to chemical imbalance in my brain because they are too individual? Thanks for warning about any subjective interpretation, actually I read somewhere about crystallization and maybe I felt excited. I admit my imagination is wild :) I think it would be good for me to practise concentration.
Thanks :)

 

[Lidia V.]

I read one more time about contraindications on EE site and there is a notion about chemical imbalance... Previously it sounded too general for me, I didn't consider me as a person with chemical imbalance... 12 years ago, when I had more important emotional problems I also took medicines for almost 2 years Doxepine and Tegretol). Now it sounds reasonable to apply the brake with Beatha for a while and review emotions once again.

It is interesting but I always used to link some emotional imbalance with a wider possibility to get more knowledge about human soul. Drugs acted like a master key to higher states of consciousness and mental disorders were a crucial element in most biographies of famous writers or painters, even scientist were considered a bit crazy (this is theory of positive disintegration by K. Dabrowski). I wonder if it is the right time now, to come back to the state of balance, soberly, only of one's own, with this knowledge we gather through hard experiences. This way is longer and more difficult but I think we can :)

...and also a snippet from C's session:
A: Yes, of course. But you must accept that it will unfold step by step, and you will not have the luxury of knowing well ahead of time what will happen. All is lessons. You may choose to look upon it as adventure or as torture... Have faith and get more sleep!! The lack of this is breeding a chemical imbalance within, thus leading to depression.


cheers ;)

 

[Oxajil]

Hi Lidia V.,

The next thing I didn't mention before is that I during last month I have powerful sensations in my solar plexus and my stomach in general. I used to feel like vomiting or feel nauseous and had "bowel excitation" similar as at the initial stage after taking LSD ;)

I'm not quite sure what the wink is for, but we don't encourage the use of drugs here. I'm glad to read in your last post that you will be trying to get back to a more sober and balanced state :) Drugs only harm the body. The only way we can grow spiritually is to increase our knowledge and to apply that in our lives.

Coming back to your question, I agree that it'd be best if you continue EE, but without the Beatha portion. Having chemical imbalances in the brain and then doing the bioenergetic breathing can trigger certain reactions that could cause discomfort or be harmful.

Looking at your experiences, I think that, if you're interested, you would benefit a lot from making dietary changes in order to start healing your body and brain. Feeling like vomiting, feeling nauseous etc. can all have a connection to what you eat and drink. So all the weird experiences you may be having can actually be linked to gluten/casein (indigestible and harmful proteins) that affect the brain and body quite badly.

If you're interested, here is the Life Without Bread thread that you can read to get more information, or you could read the book "Primal Body, Primal Mind" by Nora Gedgaudas which is very helpful also. Hope this helps.

 

[Dirgni]

Alchemie has only time to practice EE when in bed. This has the drawback that her daughter lies besides her then. She writes that "Warrior's Breath" is too loud for this situation and wanted some advice. She also has issues to let go especially when shouting.

Hallo,
ich habe mich kürzlich auch für das FOTCM beworben. Ich hatte letztes Jahr die online-Version angeschaut und die Atmung mit der Vagus Nerv Stimulation ausprobiert. Danach hatte ich irgendwie kurzeitig eine bessere Sehstärke. Das habe ich deutlich gemerkt, weil ich kurzsichtig bin.

Ich möchte die EE Atmung richtig anwenden. Dazu hätte ich momentan nur Nachts Zeit, wenn meine kleine Tochter (13 Monate alt) schläft. Aber es ist zu laut... Sie schläft nämlich bei mir im Bett, weil ich von Anfang an Wert auf eine engere Mutter-Kind-Bindung lege.

Das andere Problem ist, dass man sich gehen lassen muss (z.B. schreien). Ich weiß, dass ich schwere Traumata habe, schlimme Sachen erlebt habe...Deswegen mache ich das auch.


Kann mir jemand ein Tipp geben, wie ich trotzdem die Sache angehen kann, hat jemand ähnliche Erfahrungen?

~~~~~

Hello,
I have applied recently also for the FOTCM. I had looked the last year at the on-line version and had tried out the respiration with the Vagus nerve stimulation. Then I had anyhow health resort-early a better visual strength. I have clearly noticed this because I am shortsighted.

I would like to apply the respiration EE properly. In addition I would have at the moment Only at night time if my small daughter sleeps (13 month-old). But it is too loudly... She sleeps because with me in the bed because I think highly from the outset of a narrower mother's child's connection.

The other problem is that one itself must allow to be a matter to shout (e.g.). I know that I have heavy traumas, bad things has experienced... So I also make this.


Can somebody give me a tip how can I concern the thing, nevertheless, does somebody have similar experiences?

Hallo Alchemie,

das EE Programm zu machen, wenn Ihre kleine Tochter mit ihrem Vater spazieren zu geht, ist eine Möglichkeit das Problem zu lösen.

Eine andere ist es, den "Warrior's Breath" Teil separat zu machen. Dies dauert nicht so lange und Sie finden leichter Zeit dafür. Es ist sehr normal, daß# Sie erst mal Probleme haben laut zu schreien. Schließlich werden wir während unserer Kindheit darauf "gedrillt" nicht zu laut zu sein um nicht "zu stören". Probieren Sie laut schreien und "sich gehen lassen" in einer Umgebung, in der Sie das Gefühl haben, daß# Sie so leicht auch kein anderer hört und deshalb auch "niemand stören". Sie können vielleicht auch ihre Tochter dazu mitnehmen. Vielleicht machen Sie als Anfang ein Wettschreien wer von Ihnen beiden lauter schreien kann. Sie hat sicher Spaß# dabei mitzumachen.

Meine persönliche Lösung bezüglich "Warrior's Breath" das "Ha" stimmlos zu machen, also ohne Schreien nur mit kraftvollem Ausatmen. Zumindest scheint es für mich zu funktionieren. Aber ich habe bei meinem Sport viel Gelegenheit laut zu schreien (Kiai beim Ju-Jutsu Training). Ich kann aber wirklich nicht sagen, ob das so in Ordnung ist. Ich hoffe jemand im Forum kann hierzu Feedback geben.

Ich persönlich habe gute Erfahrungen damit gemacht, zuerst einen Text in englisch zu formulieren und dann erst in deutsch. Wenn man versucht etwas Deutsches ins Englische zu übersetzen ist das Ergebnis häufig eher sub-optimal.

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To do EE when your daughter is away for a walk with her father is one possibility to solve your issue.

Another one is to do "Warrior's Breath" portion separately. This does not take that long and you may find the time for it during your day. It is very normal to have issues to shout loud at first. We learn in childhood not to be too loud in order not to "disturb/trouble others". Please try to shout loud and to let yourself go at a quiet place where you have the impression that nobody hears you. So there is no "disturb/trouble others". You can take your daughter along. I think she may have fun with it.

My personal solution is to make the "Warrior's Breath" without voice just exhaling powerfully. For me it seems to work. But I have got a lot of opportunity to do some good shouting at my sport (Kiai at Ju-Jutsu training). But I really cannot tell if this is all right. Hopefully someone in forum can give some feedback.

 

[Alchemie]

Hi Dirgni,

Ich persönlich habe gute Erfahrungen damit gemacht, zuerst einen Text in englisch zu formulieren und dann erst in deutsch. Wenn man versucht etwas Deutsches ins Englische zu übersetzen ist das Ergebnis häufig eher sub-optimal.

Cool, habe ich jetzt auch gemerkt, man muss etwas mit dem Übersetzungsprogramm experimentieren. Dieses Sprachproblem ist schon irgendwie störend, weil ich z.B. bei dem PSI- Faden ein ernstes Thema diskutieren möchte.
Gibt es nicht schon längst diese Gehirn-Decoder-Maschinen wie in dem Film Outlander), womit man eine beliebige Sprache innerhalb kurzer Zeit lernen kann? Immer diese Rückständigkeit :) :D

Probieren Sie laut schreien und "sich gehen lassen" in einer Umgebung, in der Sie das Gefühl haben, daß# Sie so leicht auch kein anderer hört und deshalb auch "niemand stören". Sie können vielleicht auch ihre Tochter dazu mitnehmen. Vielleicht machen Sie als Anfang ein Wettschreien wer von Ihnen beiden lauter schreien kann. Sie hat sicher Spaß# dabei mitzumachen.

Oh, so habe ich das noch nicht gesehen, danke.

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Ich persönlich habe gute Erfahrungen damit gemacht, zuerst einen Text in englisch zu formulieren und dann erst in deutsch. Wenn man versucht etwas Deutsches ins Englische zu übersetzen ist das Ergebnis häufig eher sub-optimal.

Cool, now I have also noticed it, you must experiment something with the translation programme. This linguistic problem is annoying anyhow, because I would like to discuss a serious subject e.g. on the PSI-thread.
Are there not for a long time these cerebral decoder machines (like in the film Outlander) with which you can learn/speak any language within shortest time? Always these underdevelopment :) :D

Please try to shout loud and to let yourself go at a quiet place where you have the impression that nobody hears you. So there is no "disturb/trouble others". You can take your daughter along. I think she may have fun with it.

So I have not seen this yet, thanks.

 

[Mackenzie Farm]

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I want to share another experience with EE; this one is about a problem ( for me a very distressful one ) that I have from childhood, I think the first episode had been at the age of 7 or 8. It consist in loosing consciousness ( pass out ) when in crowded places, they could be open one or closed one, it make no difference. I remember when I was a child, never wanted to go visit persons in hospital, go for shopping in open or closed places and so on,everywhere I went I had to make sure I could flee easy and quickly. As an adult I've never been confortable with high-heeled shoes and sure enough I like better sneakers.When loosing consciousness, there are the before and the after.

Before: you are doing your things, you could be also having a good time, apparently you are tranquil and then you begin to feel uneasy, your body begin to tingle, the heart rate increase, the breathing is difficult, sounds became muffled you begin to see dark; in the meantime panic had began to spread from the tingling part of all this situation because you know what's coming. You have to flee but not always is possible and often it is too late, result you pass out :(.

After: when you come back on line ( open your eyes on the world again ) you fell very bad, dazed, nausea assault you and often there's a little crowd of people over you, this is agitating even more and it make difficult to breath; and there is always the one who want to take you to the hospital, this is more distressing but I can understand they are worried and don't know you have a sort of habit to these kind of problems. When I'm finally able to make it to home I've to battle for some hours with dizziness and nausea till I'm going to throw up, all end and leave you exhausted, fearfull and insecure. This isn't a pleasant affair, up to this point I could define what I've described " the dark side of the force ".

Enter now EE ( the bright side of the force :) ). Last November a new episode happened, it was quite a bit of time from the last one; we had had a full day, I was tired and had the beginning of sore throat but we needed something so despite it was almost evening went to the mall . When we were queuing up waiting to pay the bill I begin to feel uneasy, the tingling began and I knew I was in trouble. I let my husband the paying thing and went in the promenade of the mall where there are little sofa. I sat down, panic was rapidly gaining over reason but then, out of the blue pipe breathing come to mind ( curiously I had received my copy of EE only 10 days before but I remember beginning to practice immediately after receiving it ), so I didn't give in this time and decided to give pipe breathing a try and bean to breath.

After about 5 minutes things seemed a bit better so I tried for the exit but after few I had to sat down again I resorted pipe breathing again and this time in few minute it went really better because I was able to stand up, gain the exit and reach the car in the parking lot. In the meantime my husband arrived and we went home. No dizziness, no nausea, no feeling sick, no exhausted. I was confused and then realized that for the first time I had been able to master myself with a problem I had battled with ( and lost ) since the first years of my life.

I know you can understand the emotive impact of this event, the benefit for the self-esteem, the feeling of empowerment that come from a conscious decision of not give up, ignore the sense of defeat and given the right tool ( EE ) move into action and win.
So this is what I had to say for now but I'm continuing to experiment.

 

[Oxajil]

That's great news Mackenzie Farm! I'm very happy to hear that pipe breathing has helped you and hopefully will continue to help you. I think it's a plus that you have an idea of when a panic attack is about to start so that you'll know when to do some pipe breaths in order to calm your body down. Activating the rest/digest system of the body helps with deactivating the fight/flight system, so that might have been one of the reasons that may have helped you there :) Thanks for sharing MF, looking forward to read about any updates!

 

[Dirgni]

Hi Alchemie,

Leider gibt es weder den Nürnberger Trichter noch ein Updatepaket für Fremdsprachen. Ich habe mir immer gewünscht, daß es schneller geht. Bei mir hat intensives Grundwortschatz Englisch lernen und einige Jahre Bücher lesen dafür gesorgt daß aus meinem Schulenglisch etwas Brauchbareres wurde. Das Ergebnis bei Ihrem Übersetzungsprogramm ist jetzt übrigens verständlicher.

Probieren Sie es mal mit kurzen Sätzen und mit Texte selber machen. Übersetzungsprogramme sind zwar eine Hilfe aber man muß beim Ergebnis nacharbeiten und sie können immer noch keine eigenen Kenntnisse ersetzten. Oder wie es die C's sagen: Lernen macht Spaß.

Was hindert Sie daran im PSI Faden oder sonstwo diejenigen Themen zu diskutieren, die Sie interessieren? Es dauert zwar einige Zeit bis ein Text zusammengestellt ist, aber es lohnt sich doch. Nebenbei verbessert sich Ihr Englisch.

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Hi Alchemie,

unfortunately there is neither the Nuremberg Funnel nor an English Update package available. I am missing this possibility, too. I improved my school English by learning the basic vocabulary and reading books (first easy readers, then thin books, ...). By the way one can understand the English text better this time.

You may want to start with using simple short sentences and doing it yourself. (Keep it Simple Stupid). Translation programs help you but you have to rework the result. And they cannot compensate for your own knowledge. The C's tell that Learning is fun

What hinders you to discuss all interesting topics you like? It takes some time to edit the English text but it is worthwhile. And you are improving your English along the way.

 

[daddycat]

I've still been having trouble doing the full program regularly. I think I went 3-4 weeks without.

Yesterday I was feeling fine but hungry, so I cooked dinner. When I was almost done cooking, I realized that my stomach area was not feeling good. When I sat down to eat dinner, my appetite was gone and I felt a little like vomiting. I tried to eat but didn't eat much and stopped. Then I thought I need to do EE to fix the problem. So immediately I went to do the full program. When I was done, I felt fine, and ate the dinner I had cooked. I don't know what that was all about, just that I spontaneously did not feel well and then doing EE erased the bad feeling.

 

[Alchemie]

Hi Dirgni

What hinders you to discuss all interesting topics you like? It takes some time to edit the English text but it is worthwhile. And you are improving your English along the way.

Yes, it takes some time, one hour and more. But I try it again on the PSI thread.

I improved my school English by learning the basic vocabulary and reading books (first easy readers, then thin books, ...).

I must make this also. I consider since some time to translate for myself the book High Strangeness . I would like to read it already since many years.