Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[Learner]

In practicing EE (the full program)I find I can be up and down the next day like lilyalic. Although while now limiting my beatha practice to once a week my dreams have calmed down. Recently with my return to work (nearly 2 months) I have been having a really tough time emotionally. i have found the daily work routine after my 11 month break extremely intense.

After been here in my current role for 6 years returning has brought up many old programs which I thought had played out. I did realize it would be difficult to return but it really is suffocating and the atmosphere is quite negative. For the good of my health I think it is time for me to make a decision if my future lies there as I feel I'm on the verge of my own health suffering.

I suppose the EE could be bringing up these old emotions and it may be a moment for me to face up to the fact the sales role is not the right one. I can say honestly I don't always feel comfortable with change and knowing I've still got to meet my financial obligations probably notches up the fear level.

I also had a surreal experience last night after I'd done the pipe breathing and POS. I was semi asleep in bed before my wife joined me. If she touched me or nudged me while she was falling asleep it seemed to trigger a vision or dream like sequence in my head. I was quite lucid and while it happened I did not feel any emotion or attachment to the dream or vision. I think it went on for a few hours before I awoke and then fell back to sleep. My feeling was that it was an actual real event that was playing out in my mind that was going to happen. I could not remember details though I seemed to during the process.

I think I needed to post to let things off my chest and try and make sense of my feelings so thanks for listening.

Hi TheBull, thank you for sharing. It sounds good, that just resorting to doing Beatha once a week helped your dreams quieting down.
It sounds however quite rough what you are going through at the moment emotionally, especially regarding your job. I think, it often happens, that when you are in a specific situation like a certain job for a long time, certain issues may escape your attention if the situation has become routine. But if you step out of the situation for a while and then come back, you may see many things with new eyes and catch issues, aspects, etc. you haven't noticed before. And this can offer new ways to go. Maybe this is the case with your job now...

Regarding your uneasiness regarding change, I can very much relate to that. I know this all too well. I think, the fear connected to it may be due to the unknown, that lies behind a decision for something new. Or it is, because one may think to be overwhelmed by the new demands which are involved in change. However it is, maybe a change is just what you need for your learning and growth? Because, so I think, the universe doesn't give you more lessons (including changes) than you can actually handle.

Just my take on that.

If you feel like networking more about the decision you seem to face, and what it entails, you are invited to do so in the Swamp Area in the Work Section of the forum, because it is a safe place for that.

In any case, take care and we are there for you

Edit: typo and grammar; paragraphing

 

[Thebull]

In practicing EE (the full program)I find I can be up and down the next day like lilyalic. Although while now limiting my beatha practice to once a week my dreams have calmed down. Recently with my return to work (nearly 2 months) I have been having a really tough time emotionally. i have found the daily work routine after my 11 month break extremely intense.

After been here in my current role for 6 years returning has brought up many old programs which I thought had played out. I did realize it would be difficult to return but it really is suffocating and the atmosphere is quite negative. For the good of my health I think it is time for me to make a decision if my future lies there as I feel I'm on the verge of my own health suffering.

I suppose the EE could be bringing up these old emotions and it may be a moment for me to face up to the fact the sales role is not the right one. I can say honestly I don't always feel comfortable with change and knowing I've still got to meet my financial obligations probably notches up the fear level.

I also had a surreal experience last night after I'd done the pipe breathing and POS. I was semi asleep in bed before my wife joined me. If she touched me or nudged me while she was falling asleep it seemed to trigger a vision or dream like sequence in my head. I was quite lucid and while it happened I did not feel any emotion or attachment to the dream or vision. I think it went on for a few hours before I awoke and then fell back to sleep. My feeling was that it was an actual real event that was playing out in my mind that was going to happen. I could not remember details though I seemed to during the process.

I think I needed to post to let things off my chest and try and make sense of my feelings so thanks for listening.

Hi TheBull, thank you for sharing. It sounds good, that just resorting to doing Beatha once a week helped your dreams quieting down.
It sounds however quite rough what you are going through at the moment emotionally, especially regarding your job. I think, it often happens, that when you are in a specific situation like a certain job for a long time, certain issues may escape your attention if the situation has become routine. But if you step out of the situation for a while and then come back, you may see many things with new eyes and catch issues, aspects, etc. you haven't noticed before. And this can offer new ways to go. Maybe this is the case with your job now...

Regarding your uneasiness regarding change, I can very much relate to that. I know this all too well. I think, the fear connected to it may be due to the unknown, that lies behind a decision for something new. Or it is, because one may think to be overwhelmed by the new demands which are involved in change. However it is, maybe a change is just what you need for your learning and growth? Because, so I think, the universe doesn't give you more lessons (including changes) than you can actually handle.

Just my take on that.

If you feel like networking more about the decision you seem to face, and what it entails, you are invited to do so in the Swamp Area in the Work Section of the forum, because it is a safe place for that.

In any case, take care and we are there for you

Edit: typo and grammar; paragraphing

Thank you for your wise words learner they are much appreciated.

Fwiw I'm on holiday today and tomorrow. I woke up during the night with work stress. The program running in my head of what's going on at work. I couldn't settle and I was going to get up, it was about 3am. I've finally memorized the POTS and ran through it a number of times which calmed my mind then leading to a great nights sleep.

The weather was so nice today (first glimpse of summer) which I spent with my 3 year old son and his friend outdoors. I feel like something lifted though I know I'll feel the same issues on my return to work next week.

I will see how I go and will consider posting in the swamp if I'm struggling to work through these issues. It's really minor compared to the millions of others who are really suffering on our BBM. Also I'm aware personally that many of my posts aren't focused enough on the work which is why we're here.

 

[lainey]

I have a dumb question. It was written that we do the whole programme breathing in through the nose and out through the mouth. On the CD when it gets to POTS we are instructed to do a couple of pipe breaths then to carry on until we automatically switch to normal breathing. So is that in the nose out the mouth at a normal pace or actual normal normal breathing in and out the nose in time with POTS? I switch between the 2 because I'm not sure.

 

[Nienna]

I have a dumb question. It was written that we do the whole programme breathing in through the nose and out through the mouth. On the CD when it gets to POTS we are instructed to do a couple of pipe breaths then to carry on until we automatically switch to normal breathing. So is that in the nose out the mouth at a normal pace or actual normal normal breathing in and out the nose in time with POTS? I switch between the 2 because I'm not sure.

The way I understand it is that it is normal breathing (not pipe breathing), but still in through the nose and out through the mouth. Breathing in through the nose and out through the mouth helps to put us in a better meditative state by synchronizing both hemispheres of the brain. Since the POTS is a meditation, we want to be in as much of a meditative state as possible.

 

[lainey]

I have a dumb question. It was written that we do the whole programme breathing in through the nose and out through the mouth. On the CD when it gets to POTS we are instructed to do a couple of pipe breaths then to carry on until we automatically switch to normal breathing. So is that in the nose out the mouth at a normal pace or actual normal normal breathing in and out the nose in time with POTS? I switch between the 2 because I'm not sure.

The way I understand it is that it is normal breathing (not pipe breathing), but still in through the nose and out through the mouth. Breathing in through the nose and out through the mouth helps to put us in a better meditative state by synchronizing both hemispheres of the brain. Since the POTS is a meditation, we want to be in as much of a meditative state as possible.

Nice, thanks!

 

[Yas]

I have a dumb question. It was written that we do the whole programme breathing in through the nose and out through the mouth. On the CD when it gets to POTS we are instructed to do a couple of pipe breaths then to carry on until we automatically switch to normal breathing. So is that in the nose out the mouth at a normal pace or actual normal normal breathing in and out the nose in time with POTS? I switch between the 2 because I'm not sure.

The way I understand it is that it is normal breathing (not pipe breathing), but still in through the nose and out through the mouth. Breathing in through the nose and out through the mouth helps to put us in a better meditative state by synchronizing both hemispheres of the brain. Since the POTS is a meditation, we want to be in as much of a meditative state as possible.

Nice, thanks!

Yes, and even if you are not pipe breathing, you can stimulate the vagus nerve while you breathe out through the mouth, so, you can keep on stimulating that vagus during the meditation ;)

 

[davey72]

I have a dumb question. It was written that we do the whole programme breathing in through the nose and out through the mouth. On the CD when it gets to POTS we are instructed to do a couple of pipe breaths then to carry on until we automatically switch to normal breathing. So is that in the nose out the mouth at a normal pace or actual normal normal breathing in and out the nose in time with POTS? I switch between the 2 because I'm not sure.

The way I understand it is that it is normal breathing (not pipe breathing), but still in through the nose and out through the mouth. Breathing in through the nose and out through the mouth helps to put us in a better meditative state by synchronizing both hemispheres of the brain. Since the POTS is a meditation, we want to be in as much of a meditative state as possible.

Nice, thanks!

Yes, and even if you are not pipe breathing, you can stimulate the vagus nerve while you breathe out through the mouth, so, you can keep on stimulating that vagus during the meditation ;)

This is how i have taken it as well. There was a few times when i first started EE that i actually did kind of zone out into regular breathing which was interesting, but has not happened since. Before that i wondered how this was possible if you are conscious of your breathing to let it revert back naturally.

 

[jen1221]

I had very intense vibrations throughout my body, and a lot of tingling around my waist, behind my ears, and in my hands. I cried for the first time during EE, a lot. My legs kept tensing up, and at one point the vibrating got so intense that my lips and eyes were twitching uncontrollably. I started to panic a little, but once the meditation started, and I did the first few pipe breaths, the vibrating lessened. The tears however, continued to flow. I found it helpful at that point, to say The Prayer Of The Soul out loud along with Laura.

I feel drained from all of the crying, but I feel light and free at the same time too.

Hey jen1221,

What you describe is totally normal and part of what to expect from EE. Emotions that have built up over the years can store itself in the body and vibrations, twitching and tensing is your body's way of working through and releasing it. It's great that you feel lighter and freer afterwards the release! If your feeling drained, try and get some rest and don't push yourself too much for the next little bit.

Here's a thread that discusses it more In An Unspoken Voice - Peter Levine

Turgon, thank you for the link. It was very helpful. I will add that book to my reading list. Really good info.

Thanks to you as well Oxajil. I tried doing the Beatha portion of EE more relaxed like you suggested, and there was much less tingling this time.

 

[Anamarija]

In this morning's meditation, I experienced a feeling that my tongue is swollen like when you have a high fever. This is what I experienced couple of times also in the meditations before I found EE.
Is there someone with a similar experience? And does anyone know what this is? :)

 

[Gawan]

In this morning's meditation, I experienced a feeling that my tongue is swollen like when you have a high fever. This is what I experienced couple of times also in the meditations before I found EE.
Is there someone with a similar experience? And does anyone know what this is? :)

It is just a feeling that your tongue is swollen and is not really happening, right? I never had this feeling, maybe it has something to do with blood circulation and also when concentrating on the tongue, that your tongue could feel different. Also when doing pipebreathing at least my tongue feels a bit more under pressure which could be something similar.

 

[Anamarija]

In this morning's meditation, I experienced a feeling that my tongue is swollen like when you have a high fever. This is what I experienced couple of times also in the meditations before I found EE.
Is there someone with a similar experience? And does anyone know what this is? :)

It is just a feeling that your tongue is swollen and is not really happening, right? I never had this feeling, maybe it has something to do with blood circulation and also when concentrating on the tongue, that your tongue could feel different. Also when doing pipebreathing at least my tongue feels a bit more under pressure which could be something similar.

Thanks, good thought. Next time I will touch my tongue to see is it just a feeling ;).

 

[monotonic]

I've had that feeling before too, although my tongue wasn't actually swollen. I think it is related to your situation in life at the moment, which will change. Perhaps there is something about it Louise Hay's book?

 

[Anamarija]

I've had that feeling before too, although my tongue wasn't actually swollen. I think it is related to your situation in life at the moment, which will change. Perhaps there is something about it Louise Hay's book?

I check, couldn't found nothing about that in Louise Hay's sheet disease.
But I found that headaches is connected with selfcritism and self-reproach and fear. Good point!

 

[Chu]

A lot of physical reactions during Beatha or other portions COULD be due to bottled up reactions from the sympathetic nervous system, that didn't get a chance to be expressed in the past when it would have been appropriate. Peter Levine hints at that in his book "In an Unspoken Voice". I'll see if I can find the quote. Take the case of an accident. What's the first thing that people tell you to do? DON'T MOVE!!! While actually, most people have the normal reaction of shaking, wanting to shout, move, etc. So, if you experience a reaction, whatever it is, it may well be that energy that got stuck at some point. I can't be sure, of course, but many EE practitioners later on seem to remember something associated with those areas where they had a reaction, or simply feel like they just got a burden removed from their body.

It could also have something symbolic to it, indeed. Depending on the area where you feel sensations, it could be something you repressed. For the mouth and throat areas, something to do with expressing oneself, being able to speak up, etc. (for example).

An exercise which I found interesting was to first feel whatever the sensation was, localize it, then during the POTS ask my subconscious what that could be related to. After a few times, I got either a release of some sort, or what I thought could be an answer (an image, a feeling, etc.), or sometimes the pain/reaction simply disappeared after a few rounds.

 

[Keit]

What's the first thing that people tell you to do? DON'T MOVE!!! While actually, most people have the normal reaction of shaking, wanting to shout, move, etc. So, if you experience a reaction, whatever it is, it may well be that energy that got stuck at some point. I can't be sure, of course, but many EE practitioners later on seem to remember something associated with those areas where they had a reaction, or simply feel like they just got a burden removed from their body.

Yes, I can personally attest to the fact that in many cases my body wanted to move or shake during the Beatha. Also, several years ago I had a swollen eye after a group EE. Now, retrospectively, it is clear to me that it was a sign from the Universe that I wasn't seeing something, or that I was blind to my own behavior. So having all kind of symbolic manifestations after EE is something to consider too.

Also a note regarding Peter Levine's work and our body releasing tension by shaking. Many of us probably noticed how animals that come to a veterinary clinic shake like autumn leaves. It doesn't matter if it's a toy terrier or a german shepherd, poor babies shake like crazy. And it made me wonder that perhaps that's how they release the tension. After all, they don't have all those silly concepts invented by humans, like shame or keeping the appearances of bravery. ;) So there is nothing to keep them from doing something that we all should be doing during stressful situations. Just a thought.