Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[Thebull]

Another idea that may help you with using your diaphragm properly is to remember your body is 3-dimensional. Instead of just focusing on what your belly is doing, you might want to try "breathing into your back". By feeling the area of your back that is opposite your belly expand, you will get a easy full breath. Kind of like a balloon that expands in all directions situated just below your solar plexus. This sort of breath pattern can also alert you to any stuck areas in your back. It's so easy to forget about the back. We never see it! ;)

That's really helpful advice, I can feel a much deeper and more expansive breath when I include the back too.

Ditto to this it's great advice.

 

[nicklebleu]

The specialist advised me to remove the sling completely after my visit. He said he couldn't be happier with my progress. I was given further exercises and I need to be careful with regards to lifting anything but generally great news.

I believe the EE has been instrumental in my recovery. I have accepted the injury during my meditation practice and this has allowed me to focus on the healing aspect. The pipe breathing I feel as enabled me to sit with the pain and discomfort after the operation and release it. The physio asked on Monday if I was still taking pain killers. I stopped taking them 4 days after the operation which she seemed shocked about. I honestly believe it's solely down to EE. Just think I haven't even started to apply the comfrey oil and DMSO which should help further.

That's great news, Thebull - glad to hear. We have heard similar stories over the years that EE is a powerful way to control pain (especially pipe breathing and POTS). It probably comes down to downregulating the vagus nerve.

As I mentioned in another thread I've had a recent dispute which has upset me deeply. I've not been sleeping well over tha last few days and it's completely dominated my thoughts and my conversation. I had been going round in circles a little bit, very confused though I've received some excellent advice and support from the forum.
I was practicing EE on Monday and during the POTS section I think I was advised by my inner voice. The dispute kept coming into my mind during EE and my mind had been playing out scenes of what could and might happen. I don't stop them I just let them run their course. During the POTS I experienced a moment of complete stillness and clarity. It was a knowing but one I felt all over that told me to sit with the anger and pain and feel it. I don't have to make any quick decisions or worry what or why other people do things Because that is out of my control. I think it was me allowing myself to be angry and hurt without judgement.

It could of been a release or an acceptance about the events that have happened. Although I'm still waking up earlier than normal my mind has quitened down from what it was. I feel a lot calmer about it the situation now.

I have followed your other thread and I can understand that you are upset. But to me it seems that you and your 'friends' were working from different premises. And to correct that is often a painful process. So maybe during EE you realised this and were able to let go.

I learned something crucial today, which may sound very banal, but it really hit home: Stop asking things from other people that they are unable (or unwilling) to give. It's a self-defeating proposition.

But as always, bad things often have the seed of something good in them.

Anyway, glad to hear that you're doing well!

 

[Yas]

Thanks for sharing Thebull!

What you wrote about healing here is very beautiful an inspirational:

I believe the EE has been instrumental in my recovery. I have accepted the injury during my meditation practice and this has allowed me to focus on the healing aspect. The pipe breathing I feel as enabled me to sit with the pain and discomfort after the operation and release it. The physio asked on Monday if I was still taking pain killers. I stopped taking them 4 days after the operation which she seemed shocked about. I honestly believe it's solely down to EE. Just think I haven't even started to apply the comfrey oil and DMSO which should help further.

And I'm glad to read that it is helping you navigate other issues you encounter.

What a powerful technique we have over here! ;)
(yet another wonderful gift from Laura and all the people involved in creating EE)

 

[Nico]

Yes TheBull, courage and keep safe.

I have just changed my job and all my environnement and sadness, controlling the change give me IBS like symptoms BUT Eiriu Eolas and breathing help me accept more rapidly the change. In the past I was more disturbed and more in denial of the cocktail of emotions that is infused by a change in one's life.

I begin to see that in period of change just be aware is enough, not adding superfluous maneuvers to "counteract" the feelings that it engenders. We need very deep inside calm in these periods.

Regards.

 

[whitecoast]

In the past few months I've been practicing EE differently from what I've normally done. At night I have a cold shower for usually 6-8 minutes with no heat while I sing or pipe breathe. After, I do a small bit of pipe breathing before two rounds of bioenergetic breathing. After, I listen to the prayer of the soul while I sleep. It feels like a nervous system reset, in which the cold, hyperoxygenation, and psychosomatic effects of continuous breathing put me in an altered state, where my physically embodied emotions become much more psychologically accessible.

I still experience a rush of physical energy while I do it, and sometimes I just manifest those things. Other times I try and focus my mind instead, so the emotional release process occurs more through a visual representational system instead of a kinesthetic process. Often it can see/feel like I'm burning away garbage in my body with light, or like I somehow discharge a feeling by allowing to have full expression as a sense object in my imagination instead of going along and allowing the emotion to hijack the rest of my body.

 

[Oxajil]

I believe the EE has been instrumental in my recovery. I have accepted the injury during my meditation practice and this has allowed me to focus on the healing aspect. The pipe breathing I feel as enabled me to sit with the pain and discomfort after the operation and release it. The physio asked on Monday if I was still taking pain killers. I stopped taking them 4 days after the operation which she seemed shocked about. I honestly believe it's solely down to EE. Just think I haven't even started to apply the comfrey oil and DMSO which should help further

Thanks for sharing Thebull, I've read that vagus nerve stimulation can increase the level of endorphins, which are our own natural pain killers.

In the past few months I've been practicing EE differently from what I've normally done. At night I have a cold shower for usually 6-8 minutes with no heat while I sing or pipe breathe. After, I do a small bit of pipe breathing before two rounds of bioenergetic breathing. After, I listen to the prayer of the soul while I sleep. It feels like a nervous system reset, in which the cold, hyperoxygenation, and psychosomatic effects of continuous breathing put me in an altered state, where my physically embodied emotions become much more psychologically accessible.

That sounds like an interesting approach whitecoast. Are you doing the two rounds of bioenergetic breathing every night or only two nights a week? I think you mean just two times, yes? Otherwise it can be too taxing!

 

[Deleted member 4320]

In the past few months I've been practicing EE differently from what I've normally done. At night I have a cold shower for usually 6-8 minutes with no heat while I sing or pipe breathe. After, I do a small bit of pipe breathing before two rounds of bioenergetic breathing. After, I listen to the prayer of the soul while I sleep. It feels like a nervous system reset, in which the cold, hyperoxygenation, and psychosomatic effects of continuous breathing put me in an altered state, where my physically embodied emotions become much more psychologically accessible.

That sounds like an interesting approach whitecoast. Are you doing the two rounds of bioenergetic breathing every night or only two nights a week? I think you mean just two times, yes? Otherwise it can be too taxing!

Yes, I was also become interested. It sound like the additional instruction to intensify impact of the bioenergetic breathing while it's necessary.

 

[whitecoast]

In the past few months I've been practicing EE differently from what I've normally done. At night I have a cold shower for usually 6-8 minutes with no heat while I sing or pipe breathe. After, I do a small bit of pipe breathing before two rounds of bioenergetic breathing. After, I listen to the prayer of the soul while I sleep. It feels like a nervous system reset, in which the cold, hyperoxygenation, and psychosomatic effects of continuous breathing put me in an altered state, where my physically embodied emotions become much more psychologically accessible.

That sounds like an interesting approach whitecoast. Are you doing the two rounds of bioenergetic breathing every night or only two nights a week? I think you mean just two times, yes? Otherwise it can be too taxing!

Yes, I was also become interested. It sound like the additional instruction to intensify impact of the bioenergetic breathing while it's necessary.

I have done it on consecutive nights. My longest streak was 7 days but usually I can't exceed 3 or 4 days until my body says enough is enough. I still stick with the shower, pipe-breathing, and prayer though.

If I'm in remission against a large dissociative episode, cold shower and double bioenergetics helps bring my mind/psyche out of that pit a lot faster. If I haven't been discerning enough about types of media I consume or people I hang out with, there is much more internal resistance to the cold shower..... which just tells me I am in much greater need of it. Usually I always am thankful when I choose to endure that eustress.

 

[Oxajil]

I have done it on consecutive nights. My longest streak was 7 days but usually I can't exceed 3 or 4 days until my body says enough is enough. I still stick with the shower, pipe-breathing, and prayer though.

If I'm in remission against a large dissociative episode, cold shower and double bioenergetics helps bring my mind/psyche out of that pit a lot faster. If I haven't been discerning enough about types of media I consume or people I hang out with, there is much more internal resistance to the cold shower..... which just tells me I am in much greater need of it. Usually I always am thankful when I choose to endure that eustress.

Ok, thanks for clarifying whitecoast. Glad to hear this approach has been helping you, and it sounds like you're keeping a close eye on your body's needs. Sticking to the shower, pipe-breathing and prayer sounds like a good plan when you feel like you've reached your limit. Bioenergetic breathing can be quite powerful and sometimes its effects can become apparent at a later time, so I think it's a good thing you stay observant of what your body can handle. As Laura wrote:

"I know that the bio-energetic breathing segment seems long, but it is intended that way. If you just push through and stay with it as best you can, you will see amazing results after a few sessions. It will get even better when the process is memorized both in your moving center and your mind. At that point, your body will take over the breathing, the mind will take over concentrating on the meaning of the words, and that will allow the heart to open and release its burden of pain, grief, karma, and so on. When that happens, believe me, you will know it! It may not even happen during the exercise/meditation- it may happen hours later, or days later."

Keeping an extra eye on that can be helpful!

 

[Persej]

Since my "exorcism" dream my EE experience changed. I no longer have the burst of energy during the meditation, like I was feeling in the last year, but now it seems that I'm back to the "phase 1", as I called it in this post.

The difference is that now, when that energy enters my body, I can feel the warmth all around my body, not just localized in a center of the body like before. And I can definitely feel the entry of that energy when that happens so I'm sure that I'm not imagining things. I can also feel the flow of energy on my palms and soles, and even on the top of my head.

The only difference to the period when this was happening in the first time, several years ago, is that now I can feel this energy every night (before I could feel it only once in four or five days) and now it starts much faster, after only two or three EE meditation cycles (before I needed much more).

And the only downside is the same as before, this energy wakes me up so I cannot fall to sleep for long time after, even if I was tired before meditation.

In the previous year while I was having this burst of energy (after a couple of years of pause with no energy) I was able to fall asleep with no problem, but there was a lack of energizing effect, so I think that something was wrong with that. At this point my theory is that, if I really had some sort of spirit attachment that is now removed, that that entity or energy block or whatever, was creating some kind of "short circuit" in my energy production while meditating so I was not able to produce the full effect.

If I am correct about this, then I hope that I will be able, after some time, to advance again to "phase 2", as I explained it in the above linked post, where the energy influx is much shorter but more intense.

Whatever is really happening, it seems that crystals definitely changed something in my bioenergy structure.

 

[Konstantin]

Since my "exorcism" dream my EE experience changed. I no longer have the burst of energy during the meditation, like I was feeling in the last year, but now it seems that I'm back to the "phase 1", as I called it in this post.

The difference is that now, when that energy enters my body, I can feel the warmth all around my body, not just localized in a center of the body like before. And I can definitely feel the entry of that energy when that happens so I'm sure that I'm not imagining things. I can also feel the flow of energy on my palms and soles, and even on the top of my head.

The only difference to the period when this was happening in the first time, several years ago, is that now I can feel this energy every night (before I could feel it only once in four or five days) and now it starts much faster, after only two or three EE meditation cycles (before I needed much more).

And the only downside is the same as before, this energy wakes me up so I cannot fall to sleep for long time after, even if I was tired before meditation.

In the previous year while I was having this burst of energy (after a couple of years of pause with no energy) I was able to fall asleep with no problem, but there was a lack of energizing effect, so I think that something was wrong with that. At this point my theory is that, if I really had some sort of spirit attachment that is now removed, that that entity or energy block or whatever, was creating some kind of "short circuit" in my energy production while meditating so I was not able to produce the full effect.

If I am correct about this, then I hope that I will be able, after some time, to advance again to "phase 2", as I explained it in the above linked post, where the energy influx is much shorter but more intense.

Whatever is really happening, it seems that crystals definitely changed something in my bioenergy structure.

Very interesting experience Persej. I have never experienced something similar during EE. The above bold part reminds me of symptoms after a reiki initiation or reiki session. Probably you experience some burst of higher energies in your centers or something like that. Iodine and crystals have also scaled up and accelerated the burst of energy that you are feeling and waken up your Endocrine system .
Very, very interesting. :)

 

[Persej]

Very interesting experience Persej. I have never experienced something similar during EE.

Yes, what is interesting to me is that there are so many different experiences with EE. For example, I have never experienced the "zoning out", but I have these interesting experiences with energy flow, but I haven't seen that anybody else have experienced the same thing.

The above bold part reminds me of symptoms after a reiki initiation or reiki session. Probably you experience some burst of higher energies in your centers or something like that.

Yes, that is what I think that is happening.

Iodine and crystals have also scaled up and accelerated the burst of energy that you are feeling and waken up your Endocrine system .

It seems so.

Very, very interesting. :)

Yes, it is. :)
I will report back if something else major happens.

 

[Nico]

Yes, what is interesting to me is that there are so many different experiences with EE. For example, I have never experienced the "zoning out", but I have these interesting experiences with energy flow, but I haven't seen that anybody else have experienced the same thing.

Yes Persej, EE experiencing seem to be vast as the universe itself ! I experienced no zoning out neither, but I will attain a definite state of relaxed nothingness, like a magnetic bulb in the center of my head. After heavy respiration I see light (from pineal gland I presume) and my perception becomes light, I can displace this sensation in other tensed part of my body to relaxe it, very cool :).

And sometimes I experienced just a seeingness over my skin, like my skin becoming my usual focus which is between the eyes, it happens to after taking iodine or a cold shower.

Other times it is my spine that pulse like a wave and my head come back in the feet, like a connection long time forgotten between thinking and anchoring.

If you react as I am, maybe you can try to see the pineal gland light as describe by Wim Hof, after bioenergetic breathing focus in the head and let go, it's very decontracting and the rest of the body usually follow :).

 

[Persej]

If you react as I am, maybe you can try to see the pineal gland light as describe by Wim Hof, after bioenergetic breathing focus in the head and let go, it's very decontracting and the rest of the body usually follow :).

No, I had no visual stimuli in my EE experiences. Just the feeling of this energy in my body. But you are right, many people report seeing all kinds of things. And other people feel all kinds of emotions, or remember past events or past lives. Vast experiences indeed. I never had those either.

 

[Persej]

Not much to report so far, the energy is nicely flowing through my body during the meditation, sometime more, sometimes less. The only difference to the previous experiences from past years is that now I can also feel that energy on the top of my head, and not just on my soles and palms.

But interesting thing happened this morning. For some reason, from time to time, I have a problem with my stomach in my village. My grandma is also complaining about it. And this morning I got a strong pains, which are common just before I get a diarrhea. Well, this time I got an idea to try to put my palms on my stomach, to see if the energy from my palms can help. And after short period of time of doing that my pain disappeared. Then I removed my hands and the pain came back. Then I put my hand back again, and in a couple of seconds (faster than the first time) the pain disappeared again. And again, after I removed my hands the pain came back. After fourth time the pain disappeared and never came back.

I'm glad that this energy can have a practical usage, but obviously it is still very mild to have any immediate healing effect. Maybe it will develop over time.