Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[Beorn]

I notice that many of you have past experiences with meditation and breathing and are able to help those who don't. Also, others are learning very fast - seem to have a knack for figuring things out and then explaining to others and helping them. How many of you think you would be able to teach the techniques and lead/moderate group breathing and meditations in person?

I have been considering whether to bring the E-E to a small meditation group I attend once a month. I have been given a spot over the next three months to teach some breathing/meditation if I want, and then invite people back to learn the full program at a different setting (my house probably). I'm still playing it over in my mind.

I was a lay preacher/teacher for 10 years and ran student study groups at uni so I'm quite comfortable teaching/moderating groups. I'm not sure if I have progressed far enough with the program to be qualified to teach this though?

 

[Oxajil]

I notice that many of you have past experiences with meditation and breathing and are able to help those who don't. Also, others are learning very fast - seem to have a knack for figuring things out and then explaining to others and helping them. How many of you think you would be able to teach the techniques and lead/moderate group breathing and meditations in person?

Well I haven't had any past experiences with meditation and breathing, but I think that I would be able to teach the techniques and lead/moderate group breathing and meditations with my brother, whenever we both feel 'ready' and think we got a hang of it and understand it in every way possible.
I also have been practicing External Consideration for more than a year and am figuring out how different people think and how to approach them best, without scaring them off or violating their free will. fwiw.

 

[Ollie]

Last week’s experiences of the Breathing-Meditation programme, are less about during the programme and more about between sessions.

In session, I still am tending to drift off (zoning out) during the Ba-Ha breathing, and still zoning out soon after Laura starts to recite the Prayer of the Soul.

Whilst away at the weekend, on the Saturday I managed to mildly strain my back whilst picking up a towel off the floor after emerging from a hot shower. And experienced a twinge in my right leg above the knee.

According to Louise Hay in ‘You Can Heal Your Life’, the right hand side is about ‘letting go’, and lower back problems are about ‘fear of money, lack of financial support’. OK, I can relate to the latter having just started early retirement.

From Lise Boubeau, in ‘Your body’s telling you: Love yourself!’

For Back pain,

Emotional Block
Pain and disability in the lower back (sacral region) at the base of the spine indicates fear of losing your freedom when others need your help. Your freedom is “sacred.” Often enough, you fear for your own survival.

Mental Block
Pain in lower back: … You may begin to realize that you are afraid that others will not be there for you or that they may take advantage of you as before. These fears keep you from giving, which consequently prevent you from receiving. If you feel your survival is at stake, realize that it is simply your emotional dependence that generates this fear and keeps you from believing that you can’t survive alone. You have all the tools to take care of yourself.

For Thigh problems,

Emotional Block
… pain in the thigh indicates restraining of the life force and blocking of vitality and joy. Fear of going forward, of enjoying life to its fullest is the underlying psychological cause.

Mental Block
... body’s way to bring attention to your need to play and have fun with a simplicity that integrates the needs of your childlike and adult selves. Your body is urging you to go forward in the knowledge that you are the master of your own destiny and no longer the echo of your father’s or your mother’s voice.

Also, I’ve recently become aware that I ma dropping (letting go) things (safely – nothing breaks or is broken as a consequence). Perhaps my body is telling me to let go.

I recall from a previous C’s session that the C’s told Laura to keep ‘flushing’, well, my experience of the last few days is that, ‘flushing’ is often at times that are: ‘other than convenient – time and place-wise’ (again in a ‘safe fashion’) – it happens as if there is ‘no control’. Perhaps my Motor centre is showing the way for my Lower Emotional centre to follow? It seems that the message is about letting go of my emotions.

Whilst eating lunch at my Mother’s house on Monday, I became aware of what appeared to be a darkly dressed man walking from the back gate, passed the French windows, to the back door – there was no one physically there, and then it happened again a minute later – needless to say there was no-one physically there, again. What is this about?


In terms of Laura question; whilst having experience of breathing techniques, facilitating individuals and groups, my meditation skills are less well pronounced - certainly not with other people in a group. I could lead and teach, but from what grounded basis, if I feel it lacking in myself.

 

[RedFox]

I notice that many of you have past experiences with meditation and breathing and are able to help those who don't. Also, others are learning very fast - seem to have a knack for figuring things out and then explaining to others and helping them. How many of you think you would be able to teach the techniques and lead/moderate group breathing and meditations in person?

I don't have any past experience with meditations beyond a little bit of yoga/stretching and 'meditating' (drifting unguided) afterwards.
I don't know if I fit, but I enjoy figuring things out and attempting to relay the information....I'd be willing to give it a go. I work in tech support so am pretty good at adjusting to others levels/having patience.
I've never done anything like this before however, nor am I sure I would know how to go about doing so....boy my negative introject sure is having a field day with this thought.... better post this before it convinces me to delete it

 

[Mountain Crown]

I notice that many of you have past experiences with meditation and breathing and are able to help those who don't. Also, others are learning very fast - seem to have a knack for figuring things out and then explaining to others and helping them. How many of you think you would be able to teach the techniques and lead/moderate group breathing and meditations in person?

EE is beautiful in it's simplicity relative to other techniques; along with the excellent research you have provided and the experience expressed in this thread, I am confident that I could teach it.

An important responsibility that I would be honored to accept.

 

[thevenusian]

I notice that many of you have past experiences with meditation and breathing and are able to help those who don't. Also, others are learning very fast - seem to have a knack for figuring things out and then explaining to others and helping them. How many of you think you would be able to teach the techniques and lead/moderate group breathing and meditations in person?

I would not undertake such a thing with these techniques unless I was asked or directed to by Laura and this group, but if that were the case, I am confident I could do it. I have some previous experience working with groups. I still feel very much a beginner around here, though.

 

[Gawan]

I notice that many of you have past experiences with meditation and breathing and are able to help those who don't. Also, others are learning very fast - seem to have a knack for figuring things out and then explaining to others and helping them. How many of you think you would be able to teach the techniques and lead/moderate group breathing and meditations in person?

I would not undertake such a thing with these techniques unless I was asked or directed to by Laura and this group, but if that were the case, I am confident I could do it. I have some previous experience working with groups. I still feel very much a beginner around here, though.

Same here. I also had a minor thought about it, if I could teach someone this breathing program, when someone would ask me.
Well my experiences are also minor ones. I did some yoga over the time, which I learned myself through reading. With that I learned different breathing excerises and could teach someone belly breathing with minor helping tools, for example to put your hands on the back and then breath in in this area, so to get a feeling to breath in an area we are not used to anymore for example.
Meditating I learned (one technique) also some years back, but still need to learn more.

It feels like the scene from Matrix when Morpheus says you can feel it in your head it's like a splinter making you mad. It's like something is in center of my head. Maybe this is something I got to rid of?

If its occurring during the prayer, then its quite normal (its your pineal gland being stimulated as far as I know).

Have a look here, where Buddy gives some great references:

The Prayer of the Soul, Meditation and the Pineal Gland


Well one question I have regarding belly breathing, I'm doing it already automatically most of the time (I think I learned it through past experiences standing on stage when I have been a teenager: "The voice should come from the belly", actors always said). But what occured to me that it sometimes hurts when I do belly breathing whilst standing, but when I'm sitting it's an absolutely relaxiation. Is someone else experiencing it (that it hurts doing belly breathing)?

 

[dugdeep]

I notice that many of you have past experiences with meditation and breathing and are able to help those who don't. Also, others are learning very fast - seem to have a knack for figuring things out and then explaining to others and helping them. How many of you think you would be able to teach the techniques and lead/moderate group breathing and meditations in person?

I know I haven't been a big contributor to the forum, but none the less I could definitely see myself teaching this technique, if asked to do so. I think it would be of great benefit to others and a really great way for members to "give back" to the work in some way.
I feel it would be valuable to have a support system set up for "teachers" to consult with each other about any problems, insights or questions encountered with or by the "students", however. I suppose that really this forum serves this function already, but perhaps in a more official capacity if the teaching were to come about. Maybe a course for teachers, too?

 

[gotogo]

One of my co-worker told me this morning she slept like a mouse (she meant slept very well!) after listening to the introduction audio CD#1, which I copied (I understood it was permitted by "You are invited to share this program and these secret breathing techniques with everyone you care about - the life you save may be your own!" on EE DVD site. But please let me know if my understanding is incorrect here.) and gave to her last week. She is one of QA testers of our Web application and stressed out before the release so I thought EE program could be beneficial for her. So I was glad when she reported very positively this morning. :)

For the Laura's question:

I notice that many of you have past experiences with meditation and breathing and are able to help those who don't. Also, others are learning very fast - seem to have a knack for figuring things out and then explaining to others and helping them. How many of you think you would be able to teach the techniques and lead/moderate group breathing and meditations in person?

Along with a smiler attitude of thevenusian and Gawan: "I would not undertake such a thing with these techniques unless I was asked or directed to by Laura and this group", but if there is a such necessity on how EE program should be spread in the stressed World, I will try. For now I am suggesting EE program to co-workers and my friends whenever the opportunity seems appropriate and give advices if they ask.

 

[Gawan]

One of my co-worker told me this morning she slept like a mouse (she meant slept very well!) after listening to the introduction audio CD#1, which I copied (I understood it was permitted by "You are invited to share this program and these secret breathing techniques with everyone you care about - the life you save may be your own!" on EE DVD site. But please let me know if my understanding is incorrect here.) and gave to her last week. She is one of QA testers of our Web application and stressed out before the release so I thought EE program could be beneficial for her. So I was glad when she reported very positively this morning. :)

For the Laura's question:

I notice that many of you have past experiences with meditation and breathing and are able to help those who don't. Also, others are learning very fast - seem to have a knack for figuring things out and then explaining to others and helping them. How many of you think you would be able to teach the techniques and lead/moderate group breathing and meditations in person?

Along with a smiler attitude of thevenusian and Gawan: "I would not undertake such a thing with these techniques unless I was asked or directed to by Laura and this group", but if there is a such necessity on how EE program should be spread in the stressed World, I will try. For now I am suggesting EE program to co-workers and my friends whenever the opportunity seems appropriate and give advices if they ask.

Something similar happened to me a couple of weeks back. A good friend of mine has been really stressed, he complained about that he can't relax properly and that some beer in the evening isn't a good solution, I asked him if he would be interested in some a breathing technique, he agreed, so I send the link for the transcript to him and as well the link to the website that he can make up his own mind.

It later reminded me of the prayer of the soul and one verse:

Clear my ears that I may hear

To hear when someone is truly asking, which is sometimes definitely not easy.

 

[Buddy]

I notice that many of you have past experiences with meditation and breathing and are able to help those who don't. Also, others are learning very fast - seem to have a knack for figuring things out and then explaining to others and helping them. How many of you think you would be able to teach the techniques and lead/moderate group breathing and meditations in person?

We certainly seem to have the resources to do the job. We have the video and mp3's from the web page (I'll be requesting the DVD when I can). This thread, itself, seems to have many useful, moderating ideas that could be 'embodied' by a person leading or moderating a group.

I was already brainstorming ideas for getting people that I know or make contact with to try the program out. I'm open to more ideas!


--Edit: spelling

 

[mkrnhr]

I personally talk first about belly breathing and its benefits and making the person experiencing it. I then suggest to "train". I then introduce "pipe breathing" by demonstrating and helping the person. The effect is immediate and the few people I showed it to like it a lot. My next move will be presenting the video (and trying to discuss it because these persons are more into new-age than to the Work). I will see then how they receive it. But I don't feel able to teach or anything, just to make it available to people are it is available for me. I try not to interfer in their free will but at the same time I offer them (in my own view) the possibility to choose this way. I'm still learning so I cannot teach, but at least I help others to learn

 

[gotogo]

I'm still learning so I cannot teach, but at least I help others to learn

mkrnhr's expression resonate my current stand point also. :)

 

[JAKSUN]

Thanks Oxajil. That helped. I hadn't thought of the role of the vagus nerve in this.

Suggested by what you have posted,

from: _http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-vagus-nerve.htm

"The vagus nerve helps to regulate the heart beat, control muscle movement, keep a person breathing, and to transmit a variety of chemicals through the body. It is also responsible for keeping the digestive tract in working order, contracting the muscles of the stomach and intestines to help process food, and sending back information about what is being digested and what the body is getting out of it."

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I would Just like to add that the pipe breath seems to have had a definite effect on my ability to achieve some yoga postures with which I have had a lot of resistance up to now. This is especially so when I do a small number of pipe breaths as I enter a pose. Also I do believe that my lateral thought process has improved - perhaps a small improvement in my cognitive ability? :D

 

[JAKSUN]

:)
As the breathing progresses, as your old programs and worn out veils wash off your back in the floodgates of the wave, you will understand, you will know; that all levels are veils to One. Thinking of One in terms of levels is a waste of energy in my opinion.

Jacksun, could you clarify this, please?

Please forgive my non considering. Think in these terms - separation is an illusion, time is an illusion, distance is an illusion, so there is no going to or coming from. Levels are discrete constructs relative to perception - they do not exist. There is only One, All. Divine Cosmic Mind. Here and Now in me and in you, if the term 'in' can be used at all. :D

Isn't what you’ve written there assuming the Creator’s perspective? I don’t think its a waste of energy to think in terms of levels, isn't that what we’re here to learn? You can say “it's all just illusion”, sure, but that doesn't give you much by the way pf practical understanding you can use here in 3D ville eh?

For us as we are, the levels and separations exist, we exist under certain definite laws or conditions. If we can learn and understand the laws we are under, how they affect us, then one by one we can work to slowly remove ourselves from their influence. But to imagine the one can do this simply by stating it to be so is nonsense imo. The wolves will come to eat you while you’re busy imagining you are God this way I think.

Methinks the wolves have already had their way Alada.

It is not so much "imagining you are God" so much as realising you are a co-creator with God, a part of God, a finger on the Cosmic mind's hand, be thee awake or asleep.

As I understand it, any attempt to see ourselves as individuals, somehow separate from the Universe(multiverse) is an error of STS proportions - yes we are multi-level and multi-dimensional beings in practice, and we are not in reality. Any idea of a separate existence and inhabiting certain 'levels' are illusions reinforced by the STS forces living in our socks. You are welcome to them if that is your wish, but I am not fooled - Oh thou holy awareness in all creation. ;)