Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[knowledge_of_self]

Exactly - it is very important to breathe in through the nose and out through the mouth during the meditation. It took some getting used to for me as well, but now, funnily enough, if I'm really tired and can't do the whole meditation, but just want to quickly say the POTS before I fall asleep, it's really hard to NOT breathe in through the nose and out through the mouth while I'm saying it - I start doing it automatically!

You'll get used to it, I think - because I didn't think I'd get used to it either and here I am...

Thanks for this anart, I'd been doing it 'normal breathing for me', rather than as indicated above. I'll certainly work on doing it this way from now on, thanks.

Does it make a difference? Very much so.
I must admit I couldn't get as deep into the meditations to start with because I found breathing out through my mouth distracting.....but after a week or two at most I was Way deeper than I'd been before.

Thanks for posting this as a starter, RedFox; to get us back on line.

I just wanted to say that I sometimes breathe out through the nose too but now that I know I shouldn't be, I'll try my best not to.

When I breathe out through the mouth it reminds me of how I used to breathe into the alto-sax many years a go in band- the way the air goes through the tongue. Anyway thanks for the clarification on that.

Last night, during meditation- I had really hectic thoughts running through my head about work and everything. So it was a little harder to get relaxed than usual. At one point I zoned out and my body went completely numb and all i could hear were my own thoughts. It was a very uncomfortable feeling - I can't describe it. I felt really ill at ease, being left alone with my own thoughts so to speak- too many thoughts. Like one part was thinking about work, another about traveling soon, about war, about our world and all the crap within it, and one part started thinking omg my body is all numb am I still here? Or am I sleeping? No, I can't be sleeping because I'm conscious of what I'm thinking... and it kept going on and on. Until a voice in me said,

"Listen to the words- Don't lose track of the words; hear them, they will guide you..."

And I realized that Laura was still reading POTS & I had gotten lost in thought and those words brought me back on track as Laura was saying "clear my ears that I may hear"... then, I felt like crying but for some reason I couldn't it was a very intense feeling, because I can usually cry very easily. Then, I kept zoning in and out until the musical portion of POTS was completely finished, so I took off my headphones and tried to sleep but it still took me a long time to fall completely into deep sleep.

Hopefully my thoughts will be a bit less hectic tonight during meditation.

I also wanted to say great job with the new EE page!

And I had an idea- maybe at some point you guys can add a section of different translations of POTS- provided by all the people in this thread. I think that would help many different cultures of people understand the words better and also share it with their families who may not speak English. Just a thought fwiw

 

[Meg]

The new site looks wonderful. I viewed the site from work with IE, and the title of the main page and the reviews page were grayed out. Maybe we can put one of those 'best viewed with Firefox' thingys on there? I thought there was one on SOTT, but I can't find it.

Love it!!

You have to have IE7 or higher to see it adequately.

I had the same problem with IE6.

That's probably it. We use IE6 at work. Thanks Gandalf :)

 

[Nienna]

I have certainly been TIRED for a few weeks now, often sad and more aware of my STS nature in the present and the past. While I have begun to make small steps in changing, mostly, at this time, I am simply able to see some of these patterns more clearly. Often, this is painful, but this network keeps me going.

I think that this is a great accomplishment, Evolutionary 1! You are doing exactly what you should be doing. Observing these programs is the first step in being able to get them under control. And, yes, seeing our programs, how we have hurt others in the past with our thoughtless re-actions....it is a painful thing, indeed. And this should be enough to keep us going, to want to better ourselves so we do not continue to react in thoughtless and painful ways.

I have not experienced as much zoning, overall, as many of you have experienced, but I have faith that healing is occurring in due time, as is appropriate for me.

You are right, I think that healing is occurring just at the right pace for you. We are all individuals that experience this healing in varying ways. As you have seen, some zone out for a while and then stop and then will zone out some more. Others zone out very little, if at all. It's all going on under the surface taking care of your specific needs. Just continue doing as you are, having faith and trust in the breathing and meditation. It will take care of the rest.

As always, despite the demands of this journey, I am grateful to be along for the ride... :)

I am glad that we are all on this ride together. Not only is this breathing/meditation program working on each one of us individually, as we do this as a group and discuss things amongst each other, things are moving and evolving within the group. Great things are happening!

 

[Oxajil]

I just want to say that for the past few days I've been feeling bummed, confused, sad and maybe a little depressed and also having very low energy levels. I've had some up moments though.
I've been sleeping horribly the days before when I was not listening to the PotS (I recited it in the morning instead of before sleeping)
There is a reason for that (sleeping horribly), which I'm still working on.

Last night carefully listening to the Prayer of the Soul really was helpful. Today I'm feeling more energized and better than the days before.

The PotS kind of told me that all is going to be okay.
I asked God as well to please put me to sleep that night and protect me from some ''negative energies'' around/in me, if any were there.. I slept immediately after the PotS..

Thanks

 

[Bo]

I just want to say that for the past few days I've been feeling bummed, confused, sad and maybe a little depressed and also having very low energy levels. I've had some up moments though.
I've been sleeping horribly the days before when I was not listening to the PotS (I recited it in the morning instead of before sleeping)
There is a reason for that (sleeping horribly), which I'm still working on.

Regarding your depression, it is a procces, hang in there, it will pass, if you experience to much trouble by this you could only do the meditation/prayer before sleeping, when you feel comfortable again after a few days or so you can put other parts of the program back in.

from the FAQ;

Another note that I want too give is that everyone who is doing the EE breathing program and is feeling like they can't take it anymore, I suggest that those of you who feel like that to drop the round breathing and do the meditation/prayer only, after things cool down within you, you can slowly reintroduce the round breathing and when slowly re-introducing the round breathing, it might be appropriate to just do a single 'set' (I mean a single whole cycle, ie: slow then medium then fast), to start with, rather than the full three sets, to see how it goes.

 

[Oxajil]

I just want to say that for the past few days I've been feeling bummed, confused, sad and maybe a little depressed and also having very low energy levels. I've had some up moments though.
I've been sleeping horribly the days before when I was not listening to the PotS (I recited it in the morning instead of before sleeping)
There is a reason for that (sleeping horribly), which I'm still working on.

Regarding your depression, it is a procces, hang in there, it will pass, if you experience to much trouble by this you could only do the meditation/prayer before sleeping, when you feel comfortable again after a few days or so you can put other parts of the program back in.

from the FAQ;

Another note that I want too give is that everyone who is doing the EE breathing program and is feeling like they can't take it anymore, I suggest that those of you who feel like that to drop the round breathing and do the meditation/prayer only, after things cool down within you, you can slowly reintroduce the round breathing and when slowly re-introducing the round breathing, it might be appropriate to just do a single 'set' (I mean a single whole cycle, ie: slow then medium then fast), to start with, rather than the full three sets, to see how it goes.

Okay, thanks! :)

 

[Human]

Hi everybody!

I've been quite busy for the last month or so, mostly due to my studies, but some personal stuff also, so I'm way behind with reading posts in this thread (and not only this one), more than 20 pages behind...

But just to give you a short update on my experiences since my last post in this thread.

The main technical thing is that I've reduced the frequency of doing whole EE program to approximatively once per week.
Still doing POTS meditation every evening, which has been the most refreshing thing in my life for this period of time. Also I try to do 3-stage breathing daily but not managing always to keep it to that rate. :(

I've realized that as a kid (and even much later as an adult, if I may be calling myself adult now :)) I had been suppressing the expression of my emotions and creating "thinking loops" instead. Or, said in Gurdjieff terminology, my thinking center had been most probably working on and stealing my emotional energy, mostly negative one, and creating all sorts of programs and buffers in myself. Well, it still probably does, but I like to think that I'm a little bit more aware of this process now, and I try to keep it "bellow the neck".

The EE has brought many of these loops to the surface and I was unable to exit or resolve them, just jumping from one to another, and (thanks to Laura's advice) that's the main reason for reducing the rate of doing whole EE program, and it has helped immensely.

Meanwhile, have started reading ISOTM (after finishing TSHOTW) which has shown to be very beneficial for me right now.

During this time, I've experienced the first and only real zoning out for me, as I managed to keep my thoughts and mind under control for that session and just went with the flow.

Also, I experienced a really funny thing/feeling last week. During POTS part of the whole EE program, my arms started to feel like some kind of two wooden logs or very huge hammers/stampers. It wasn't unpleasant feeling at all, more like funny one, like there was a huge strenght/force in my arms and it lasted for few minutes until a glimpse of distrust appeared in my mind (like many times before for me) and then it disappeared.

Well, that's my update.


I've checked the new EE web page and it's fantastic!

The new Éiriú Eolas web site is up:

http://eiriu-eolas.org

:D

Although I'm not fond of pink color, the page is very eye-pleasing and soothing.
A very, veeery good work!!
Thank you!

 

[Laura]

I've checked the new EE web page and it's fantastic!

The new Éiriú Eolas web site is up:

http://eiriu-eolas.org

:D

Although I'm not fond of pink color, the page is very eye-pleasing and soothing.
A very, veeery good work!!
Thank you!

Interesting that several people have said they don't like the rose color. As I wrote in another thread:

In color psychology, rose symbolizes optimism, innocence, romance, love, and simplicity.

Green says 'nature,' as well as 'initiative' and 'wealth, intelligence, nature, spring, fertility, youth, environment.

Rose is warm, forest green is cool. Rose is active, green is restful.

See also:

COLOR HAS A POWERFUL EFFECT ON BEHAVIOR, RESEARCHERS ASSERT

Bottom line is: those are the colors I like and which, when I have the choice, like to wear. I feel comfortable in them and feel that they express something deep. So, perhaps, since the program came from "me in the future", those influences will be beneficial for others? If they are attracted to my work, that would only stand to reason, right?

Obviously, men don't usually wear pink and that's a cultural thing - and our culture is remarkable for its rejection of the feminine - but I observe that they are certainly attracted to women who do.

When I was an adolescent, I totally rejected pink because it was "girly" and I only had a brother to compete with so I was going to prove that I was just as smart/tough as he was. But by the time I had reached 19 or so, I was "in the pink" and I really didn't know why. I just knew it made me feel better. After all, it's pink and fluffy! It's cotton candy, it's clouds at sunset, it's cherry frosting, strawberries in cream, flowers, babies, somewhere between passionate red and pure white. What's not to like about rose?

Is a rejection of Rose really a rejection of those qualities relating to rose, at least in relation to the self? Is it that one has been scarred by those things?

Just thinking out loud here.

 

[dant]

As I recall in my childhood, that the color pink might have been negatively programmed
by our peers (males?) to be 'feminine' (or gay) and I recall that men were (once?)
ostracised if they wore anything pink so they wore colors that were bland (blue/brown)
and I cannot quite remember what the girls who wore pink were thought of... girly?
Yes, that is it! Perhaps because of peer pressure, very few girls wore pink in my
childhood/teens days.

But later on in life, I wore pink shirts and got some eyebrows, but I shrugged it
off. It's a strange world to be in conformity of those of some of our peers who
have a different perspective, or so it seems.

I actually liked the EE site - it is well done and a calming effect because of the soft
colors and easy on the eyes, not hard to see/read - cherry-red/bright green contrast
is just - well - too bright depending on context, but a flower or the rose itself will
do fine, depending again, on how it contrasts with the rest of the page. Or so I think.

So overall, I agree with your 'Just thinking out loud' statement!

FWIW,
Dan

 

[Buddy]

Oh my! I just checked out the new site. The overall composition, with it's colors, hues and arrangement is gorgeous. I experienced a wave of warmth and joy go through my body!

Beautiful work from my view! :)

 

[Evolutionary1]

I think that this is a great accomplishment, Evolutionary 1! You are doing exactly what you should be doing.

Thank you very much for the encouragement, Nienna! It helps tremendously and actually brought a tear to my eye. I may be weepy lately, but at least some of those tears are tears of joy, right?

 

[Evolutionary1]

When I was an adolescent, I totally rejected pink because it was "girly" and I only had a brother to compete with so I was going to prove that I was just as smart/tough as he was.

I also had--and may still have--the anti pink program when it comes to clothes and decor which is definately related to my own denial of my femininity, and consequently, my emotions. I, like Laura, have spent much energy in the past trying to avoid being seen as too "girly" to a fault, but instead of a brother, it was my "rational" dad--who's always wanted a son but had to settle for three daughters--that I was trying to impress. I can definitely relate to this insightful statement from Msasa:

I've realized that as a kid (and even much later as an adult, if I may be calling myself adult now ) I had been suppressing the expression of my emotions and creating "thinking loops" instead. Or, said in Gurdjieff terminology, my thinking center had been most probably working on and stealing my emotional energy, mostly negative one, and creating all sorts of programs and buffers in myself. Well, it still probably does, but I like to think that I'm a little bit more aware of this process now, and I try to keep it "bellow the neck".

Eiriu Eolas is helping me to get my emotions back, though and I hadn't realized how much I missed them!!

An interesting connection... two nights ago I dreamt that a very friendly and energetic deer had wandered into my yard and we had a wonderful connection. Later, a man, some kind of official, had come for her, to do her some harm, and I was trying to save her, to keep it with me where she would be safe. I looked up "deer" in a dream dictionary and found an interpretation that it is symbolic of femininity and grace. So it seems that while I am asleep some energy may be being directed to restore what I and so may other women (and men :)) have been programmed to deny within.

Laura, I think the new site is lovely and I'm not afraid to admit it!

 

[Luis Miguel]

Update: Lately, when I'm exhaling, doing The 3 stage breathing, I feel a strong vibration in the upper part of my throat, could be the glottis or the uvula? -I'm still observing - My first thought was that I was exhaling too hard, so I did it more gently but the vibration didn't stop, this just reduces the noise a little bit - it sounds like a gentle snore - am I doing something wrong guys? Someone has experience this? By the way, this didn't happen before.

In the Beatha portion I'm getting a strange feeling, it's like a lot of heat all over my body but at the same time a feeling of cold, I know that it's a strange combination :P, could be described as a long shiver, that keeps going through all the last series of breathings, for what I’ve observed It’s not like an hyperventilation feeling – Maybe it is? – But again this didn’t happen before.

Now I'm able to do the meditation in a deeper way, with more zone outs, however, they are not very frequent.

The new Éiriú Eolas web site is up:

http://eiriu-eolas.org

The EE page it's great! And IMO the pink-green contrast it's beautiful and gives the page a balanced composition :).

And, by the way, pink is the color of one of my favorite flowers :P:

Laura, I think the new site is lovely and I'm not afraid to admit it!

I agree :)

Is a rejection of Rose really a rejection of those qualities relating to rose, at least in relation to the self? Is it that one has been scarred by those things?

I just saw it as a socio-cultural programming, but what you said makes a lot of sense! Thanks.

 

[Nienna]

I just want to say that for the past few days I've been feeling bummed, confused, sad and maybe a little depressed and also having very low energy levels. I've had some up moments though.
I've been sleeping horribly the days before when I was not listening to the PotS (I recited it in the morning instead of before sleeping)
There is a reason for that (sleeping horribly), which I'm still working on.

Last night carefully listening to the Prayer of the Soul really was helpful. Today I'm feeling more energized and better than the days before.

The PotS kind of told me that all is going to be okay.
I asked God as well to please put me to sleep that night and protect me from some ''negative energies'' around/in me, if any were there.. I slept immediately after the PotS..

Thanks

What Bo said is true, this too shall pass. But, also, not getting enough sleep can create these very same things in a person. Depression, low energy, confusion..... If at all possible, I think that you should really be doing the POTS before you go to sleep. But that's just my thoughts on it.

I hope that you get past this little hiccup and continue on with what you have been doing.

I was wondering why I haven't seen as much of you here. You are missed, you know.

 

[Mrs. Peel]

I had reached 19 or so, I was "in the pink" and I really didn't know why. I just knew it made me feel better. After all, it's pink and fluffy! It's cotton candy, it's clouds at sunset, it's cherry frosting, strawberries in cream, flowers, babies, somewhere between passionate red and pure white. What's not to like about rose?

I hate to say this, but over a year ago, my husband and I were walking past the laptop aisle in Best Buy and I stopped to gawk and admire a Sony Vaio that was PINK!!! I mean, not only was the lid a pearly pink, but the inside too! All around the keyboard, the screen, it was PINK! I'd never seen such a thing. Now this was back when most laptops were either black or silver, like the Dell I owned.

Yessireee, Pinky went home with me. :) She's got Vista but I won't hold it against her. ;D