Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

capt.picard said:
hellooouuuuuuu :D
During the prayer part of the EE program i find myself last two times in "real time"? (real time according to the c˘s).
example: when laura says: "help me grow in knowledge" , i zone out and i see whole scenes , people, happenings and i feel like it last for a while . when i "wake" from zoning she says: "of all creation". it has passed just a few seconds but i feel like i was "there" along long time (there is a LOT going on). then i get suprised of that. the next moment i happens again and so on. on first view i dont see anything significant but who knows.
as further i do the program i become more relaxed.any sugestion of some visualisation to, maybe stay a little longer "there"?
thanks
greets :) :D

I've had pretty much exactly the same experience of zoning out as you did, capt.picard. Three nights ago I did the full pipe breathing (without doing the round breathing) and at some time during the prayer/meditation my awareness was focused off of Laura's prayer recitation. Though I do not remember the people, places and things I saw then, I do remember it being dreamlike - and yet undreamlike. At some point though, and to my surprise, I could hear Laura's voice once again - saying the prayer and I thought at that moment, "where was I just now?" because I usually tend to zone out during the round breathing and if I'm zoned out during the prayer it's because I started zoning in the round breathing. I'll just note also that it was the first time since I began the program that I did it twice in one day. So maybe that in itself boosted the subsurface/subconscious activity some.

I wouldn't worry too much about trying to find a way back "there". If you continue to do the program as you're no doubt doing, those times of zoning out will happen when it is natural for them to. ;)
 
Hi everyone.

truth seeker said:
I'm starting to hear voices while I'm meditating. These voices are internal as opposed to being in a dream state and being awoken by an outside noise. I'm not freaked out because this has happened at other times in my life. It was usually when I was just coming out of a dream or just waking up in general or it would be the thing that woke me up. At those times, it was usually someone saying my name. Now it can be anything. I've heard people screaming, growling (as in angry), saying one word or a few phrases. Last night there were quite a few as well. There was an older man crying and there was an image to match. I'm not sure if that one would be classified as a dream. They all seem to happen very quickly but maybe they are for a much longer period which I suppose would be a dream. I can't remember if any of them ever seemed happy.

My general feeling (and I could be completely off here) is that I'm seeing/hearing souls in pain. Does anyone have any ideas?

I have been doing the POTS for 3 weeks now. And yesterday, i can almost swear i heard a voice while reciting the POTS. It was a woman voice and said one of the two, "it is working" or "it is starting to work" (i don't recall which one was, but they have pretty much the same meaning). I saw in the Éiriú-Eolas - Guide/FAQ thread and didn't see nothing regarding voices, so i'm assuming it is a not a common symptom, which could be a bad sign because i don't feel different or special in regards to the rest of everyone here.
First of all i shall see if this voice keeps appearing during meditation, but my main concern is to understand if this is a program, be it internal or external, to some way side track me from the objective of the POTS, which i think is detoxifying our minds, or if it is a real thing that can help me in this objective (like a communication from the higher self, if it can happen like this). The way i see it, it could be designed to make me feel somewhat special because i'm hearing this "communication" from i don't know where during a meditation which is stating something that could be related to the same meditation, that "it is starting to work", a kind of confirmation.

Well, i just noticed something when i was writing the above, and will only mention it as a side note because it is kind of off topic. But the fact the i think that i'm being targeted to be sidetracked in my meditation by having something making me feel special (and if i believe this, that i'm a target and i'm not special), in a way the feeling of speciality is still there because if i consider myself a target it is because i feel that i'm important, because normally you don´t target things that are insignificant. I mean if you are going to kill an animal you target the biggest, but then again you might also target the weakest for easy prey. Reversed psychology gives you a knot in the brain :cool:.

I guess in the end the key words are "non anticipation", we are neither special nor non special, we'll just have to wait and see what comes out of all of this.
 
going to do EE program. It is 01:09 night always there is a thing that stop me to do that.
now from today every day EE program. :)

Greeting

Fighter of the future ! STO ! :cool2:

Lucas
 
Green_Manalishi said:
I guess in the end the key words are "non anticipation", we are neither special nor non special, we'll just have to wait and see what comes out of all of this.

I think you have a pretty good take on this. I've "heard" many different voices (some encouraging, some not). It can be any of the examples you cited. I take everything with a grain of salt as I don't know what the source(s) of it is/are. For all I know, the "voices" could be an STS attempt to begin the bidding process and pull me from the path I'm on.

If you do a search on bidding, it should take you about halfway down the page.
 
Hi

Last night I saw 1 time light when I have closed eyes during pray... . Now at the day I hear men voice . :rolleyes: ??
I hear a male voice in the distance, talking to someone, I checked if there is none in the room and emptiness ... :scared: ??
:cool2: This is my obervation day 1 ( back EE program ) :halo:
Ah No zoned Out.

Greeting.
 
It has been a couple of months since I've posted. I've been doing the POTS only, with some pipe breathing, since about November, at the suggestion of Forum moderators, as I was having extreme emotions come up all the time - that were extremely difficult for me to handle. So, following suggestions given, I've been doing the POTS only, every night, with some pipe breathing.

Well, I was doing pretty well, and was about to start the whole breathing program again starting about the middle of January, when, WHAM, I came under MAJOR attack (out of the blue) at work from the No. 2 person in my office, a Pathocrat/ Psychopath. She is doing her best not only to get me to either quit or get fired, she is doing her best to completely ruin my career. She has been defaming me like there is no tomorrow (maybe there isn't, from her perspective?) She is ruthless, and very, very vicious.

Yes, I have legal representation, yes, I am looking for another job, and yes, I am continuing the POTS every night. The unfounded allegations are being investigated by the PTB where I work, and MAYBE there will be a good resolution, once the FACTS are all brought out. Depends on the courage of those in charge, and whether I want a full-blown lawsuit if those in charge don't have the necessary courage to do what's right. But I cannot financially afford to quit until I find another job. My financial position has been a little precarious already, and my family would go bankrupt if I quit now.

In the meantime, I am feeling like I have been having cannonballs shot through my middle every day; going to work is like going into a literal warzone every day. Many days I cannot eat because I am so stressed out, and all I feel like doing when I get home is just crying and crying.

Is this a failed shamanic initiation that I'm going through, that I'm going to go through over and over and over until I die? I just read Laura's article, "The True Identity of Fulcanelli and the Da Vinci Code." What I'm going through definitely feels like a "descent into the underworld" and a "battle with demons." But in Laura's article, she says that:

"Shamans are born AND made. That is to say, they are born to be made, but the making is
their choice. And, from what I have been able to determine, the choice may be one that is
made at a different level than the conscious, 3rd density linear experience. Those who have
made the choice at the higher levels, and then have negated the choice at this level because
they are not able to relinquish their ordinary life, pay a very high price, indeed."

Am I paying that "very high price, indeed"? I have periodically been under attack my whole adult life, for reasons that seem to be that my very being is threatening in some way to certain people in positions of power around me. But this current attack is the mother of them all!!! I can't believe the lies that are being told to my face, behind my back, and the viciousness of the attack.

If I did made the choice to be a Shaman "at the higher levels, at a different level than the conscious, 3rd density linear experience," does that mean that I cannot have a job, and a family, or I will pay a terrible price for the rest of my life? Is there some way that, if this is an "initiatory experience" that I am going through, I can make it a successful one in the direction of an STO shaman, and not a descent into perpetual hell?

I do not know if this is any kind of initiatory experience, or a normal or expected part of the process of doing the breathing exercises and the POTS, or if I am going crazy, or what, but what I am going through is absolutely horrendous. Any insights, comments, suggestions, anything, would be greatly appreciated.

Sonrisa
 
I'm sorry you're going through this Sonrisa. It sounds as if you are doing the right things in this situation. I don't have any advise or suggestions to give other than to continue to talk about it and study it.
 
Hi Sonrisa, good to see you back. It sounds like your going through a really tough time.
It might be worth noting that quite a few forum members have reported recently that they have experienced problems of some sort or another.

I cannot say if it is anything to do with a shamanic initiation....however it does sound a lot like General Law is trying to keep you in your place.
This seems to be what is happening with other forum members too. It seems that through the program we are having an impact on things to warrent such large responces.
It might be worth reading up on Strategic Enclosure and Attack too (just to make sure).

Sonrisa said:
I do not know if this is any kind of initiatory experience, or a normal or expected part of the process of doing the breathing exercises and the POTS, or if I am going crazy, or what, but what I am going through is absolutely horrendous.

You certainly aren't going crazy, members of this forum (myself included) have had to deal with all kind of attacks. Remember that the C's say 'Nobody is a nobody'.
It is no bother for 4D STS to pay each one of us special attention.

Having said that, do not fear or worry about such things if you can.......pipe breathing will help with this. Instead of fear and worry, vigilance and awareness are what is needed. Along with patience and practice. And quite possibly the most important part, be gentle and kind to yourself.......we all trip up when learning these lessons!

I think you may need another 23 posts before you can post in the Swamp section of the forum....but I was going to suggest that you perhaps vent on the forum about the problems you are going through if it helps.
Keep an eye on your health if at all possible too, as these sort of situations tend to effect your health as well as energy and emotions.

Take care of yourself Sonrisa. We're here to support you if you need it. :flowers:
 
Redfox said:
I think you may need another 23 posts before you can post in the Swamp section of the forum....but I was going to suggest that you perhaps vent on the forum about the problems you are going through if it helps.

As a clarification, you only need ten posts to be able to access and post in the Swamp and Family Life. You need 50 post to be able to edit or delete your post. :)
 
Hello Sonrisa,

I'm sorry to hear you are having such a difficult time. Have you read up on petty tyrants? This torturous situation may be a grand opportunity at the same time, although not fun at all. Perhaps you are engaging in a shamanic initiation, perhaps not. But you have incredible tools and resources, not to mention "cosmic" support through this forum. We are all behind you!!!

Tree
 
Hi Sonrisa, i know it is difficult to someone to understand exactly the extent of some problems when we ourselves are not in the middle of the storm, but adding to what Tree said

Tree said:
This torturous situation may be a grand opportunity at the same time

I would like to leave here a quote from Don Juan

Don Juan said:
The basic difference between an ordinary man and a warrior is that a warrior takes everything as a challenge, while an ordinary man takes everything as a blessing or as a curse.

And just to let you know, i'm reminding you of this advice by Don Juan, when i'm trying to put it also to good use in a situation in my own life (not has difficult as your situation). We'll just have to continue to charge on, albeit with a well thought strategy :cool:
 
Sonrisa,

I am sorry to hear of the problems you are having with a psychopathic sort of person.

You said that you are doing the POTS every night. This is good. Is it possible for you to do some pipe breathing? Pipe breathing really calms the mind, body and emotions down and gives you energy. This may help. It's hard to know if this is appropriate for you as you are dealing with a horrible situation, so is the hole being blown through you caused by the breathing or by the petty tyrant that is harassing you? I know one thing for sure, if you are going through what you say you are going through, you are stressed to the max. And this is where pipe breathing shines. Helping to cut through the stress. I can only suggest you try it at different times during the day when you start feeling uptight and run over. See if it helps you.

Also, since Green_Manalishi brought it up, there is something on the Petty Tyrant in the Cassiopedia. Maybe this will give you some ideas in your fight with you petty tyrant.

Good luck and keep us posted.
 
Sonrisa said:
Am I paying that "very high price, indeed"? I have periodically been under attack my whole adult life, for reasons that seem to be that my very being is threatening in some way to certain people in positions of power around me. But this current attack is the mother of them all!!! I can't believe the lies that are being told to my face, behind my back, and the viciousness of the attack.
Hi Sonrisa. Sorry to hear of your troubles. Reading your story makes me think of the quote by William Churchill - "If you are going through hell, keep going."

Best of luck to you! :)
 
Hi Sonrisa,

I'm sorry to hear about your problems.

It does sound like you have a pathological on your hand. In addition to what Nienna suggested about doing the pipe breathing to calm yourself down, I would suggest that you try to document everything that involves you or your petty tyrant in your workplace. Keep a record of everything you do in the office, every email, document, phone call, etc. If possible, only talk to your petty tyrant in the presence of others. And keep a note of each conversation too. Defamation and similar pathological attacks can only go on in the dark. If you keep evidence of everything and maybe give your attorney a copy, you'll be in a much stronger position to defend yourself.

All the best to you.
 
Sonrisa said:
Am I paying that "very high price, indeed"? I have periodically been under attack my whole adult life, for reasons that seem to be that my very being is threatening in some way to certain people in positions of power around me. But this current attack is the mother of them all!!! I can't believe the lies that are being told to my face, behind my back, and the viciousness of the attack.

If I did made the choice to be a Shaman "at the higher levels, at a different level than the conscious, 3rd density linear experience," does that mean that I cannot have a job, and a family, or I will pay a terrible price for the rest of my life? Is there some way that, if this is an "initiatory experience" that I am going through, I can make it a successful one in the direction of an STO shaman, and not a descent into perpetual hell?

I do not know if this is any kind of initiatory experience, or a normal or expected part of the process of doing the breathing exercises and the POTS, or if I am going crazy, or what, but what I am going through is absolutely horrendous. Any insights, comments, suggestions, anything, would be greatly appreciated.

Sonrisa


Sorry to hear this Sonrisa. I think a lot of us on the forum have gone or are going through similar battles- I know i have/am. Things have just calmed in my household and I'm not sure if it's the calm before another storm or I have actually finally navigated through this current battle successfully. My advice is to not give up and no matter what do not give in!!! Mentally put on your suit of armor, grab your battle axe and confront every problem with the appropriate response(ex. battle the weight loss with some mild exercise like a brisk walk if you are able and then eat something nutritious with healthy fats in them like avocado or nuts). Don't let anything slide and take no part of the attack for granted especially the effects it is having on your health. It is so much easier to feel like giving up when you get sick so check the health threads here in the forum for good advice.
And keep us posted! Support here will help you navigate through your hell and remind you that you have a huge team on your side armed with the best information and the best of intentions.

With regard to your question about shaman's having jobs, I think you just need to observe Laura and her career to know that you should not need to be limited in that respect so don't worry about that- I think that idea may be a bit of battle-induced paranoia and maybe fatigue getting to you...

good luck and don't give up-I'm rooting for you!

Rx
 
Back
Top Bottom