Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

I was doing the the breathing on friday just the pipe breathing and all of a sudden I started to fill really
sick like I was about to vomit. I felt very nauseas and pressure in my chest not pain just sickness. so
I had to stop the program and lie down. So the question is is this a normal experience or something bad?
 
Hi celtic --

celtic said:
I was doing the the breathing on friday just the pipe breathing and all of a sudden I started to fill really
sick like I was about to vomit. I felt very nauseas and pressure in my chest not pain just sickness. so
I had to stop the program and lie down. So the question is is this a normal experience or something bad?

I don't believe this was normal -- is there anything you can think of about Friday that might account for it? Were you too warm, or low on blood sugar from not eating, or anything like that? Also, have you felt this way during any other time besides when you did E/E? You might try it again this weak (not too intensely, of course) and see if the same symptoms reappear. If so, let us know here, and maybe someone will have an idea about what could be causing it.
 
Thanks for the suggestions Alana and herondancer. I had suspected that the position of the arms was for some effective reason. I think that I somewhere along the way had just relaxed my palms inwards and kept doing it that way. Then a few weeks ago I had seen the three stage breathing in the video, which I normally don't see because I exit it out when the stretches are done. So I'll just go back to doing it the right way which will allow for more air and hopefully I'll get used to it.
 
I don't believe this was normal -- is there anything you can think of about Friday that might account for it? Were you too warm, or low on blood sugar from not eating, or anything like that? Also, have you felt this way during any other time besides when you did E/E? You might try it again this weak (not too intensely, of course) and see if the same symptoms reappear. If so, let us know here, and maybe someone will have an idea about what could be causing it.

I did try to do it late at night and just woke up from a nap. And no I did not feel this way doing any other time but
that friday doing the program. I did do pipe breathing on satureday and sunday but I felt ok. I can't remember to
well if I eaten anything but I think I didn't. So I am suggesting it may had been a result of blood pressure.
 
celtic said:
I did try to do it late at night and just woke up from a nap. And no I did not feel this way doing any other time but
that friday doing the program. I did do pipe breathing on satureday and sunday but I felt ok. I can't remember to
well if I eaten anything but I think I didn't. So I am suggesting it may had been a result of blood pressure.

Yes, that's kind of the way that I'm leaning with the information you've given. It might be a good idea to wait a bit to do it after waking up, and maybe have something in your stomach. But if it happens again, let us know!
 
I would like to add my experiences of the E-E program to this thread. My post has been put off on many occasions, so here goes.

I started the EE program sporadically in October up till December, some weeks i would do the program once a week sometimes missing it completely for a couple of weeks, i was finding i would make excuses and could not get into a regular routine. There where bouts of depression through the period December to mid January, i was feeling pretty low some days and fine on others, It was a real battle to get myself past this stage. On one particular night i woke up mid dream to find myself crying, the experiences i was getting would be zoning out, almost as soon as the POTS mediation started and then I would wake up hours later. I did feel that something was telling me not to start.

I have now gotten into a good routine over the past 6 weeks, from doing the program fully twice a week since the start of February to the last three weeks where i have been making the time to do it a least three times a week sometimes more with the POTS every night.
These last three weeks i have started to get flashing lights, images of all sorts of things from faces i have never seen to full scenes of landscapes and various others i cant make out, i do enjoy this part, i have also had colored fine filaments of light (blue and green mostly) all of this activity happening in the region above my eyes. I am aslo getting the pressure in the forehead.
I still Zone out but usually mid to the end of the POTS, especially when it is only the music, or so i think as some strange sensations are happening it hard to keep track.

I have noticed i am dreaming more vividly through the night, sleeping deeply and waking up relaxed even thought i am now only sleeping 6-7 hours max. On another good note is allot more time reading the forum with less distraction.

3D Student said:
A little note that I just remembered and seemed significant: I haven't had much metaphysical effects with the program, but lately I have been noticing more of those little dots of light that flash for instantaneous amounts of time. I had had these before and they were less frequent. But now I get them more often and they last longer, almost a second now. They also sometimes do things like move in a curve during that short one second period. They are silver in color and rarely black also. When the move they are reminiscent of the way a neon sign looks. I notice them more when I read the forum, but that could be because of the light gray background makes them easier to detect. FWIW.

3D student i am also getting what i would call ribbons of light, almost like flowing water, silvery and shimmering which i catch glimpses of just out in my peripheral vision area, it has happen twice this week, i have seen these before but very briefly and i would be luck to catch one once in a year, this weeks duo encounter was bigger than i have seen before, not sure if it the same thing?

I would like to ask if anybody has had nightmares after doing the POTS, this past Saturday i did the full session in the afternoon including the POTS and all was fine, i then did some breathing and the POTS again at bedtime, must have zoned out and fell to sleep. During the night i had a very vivid nightmare, i was more frightened than i have been in many years, i literally felt terrified and unable to move, the dream state was semi lucid with me being aware of my room and surroundings but also in the nightmare at the same time. . When i finally woke in the morning i was sweaty and could tell i had been sweating heavily through the night. But felt strangely more curious than worried.

I don't know if this nightmare was a symptom of clearing out old emotions or dealing with past fears? If it is i think i will just have to get used to them, but i just hope it might be a one off.
 
rolyateel said:
I would like to ask if anybody has had nightmares after doing the POTS, this past Saturday i did the full session in the afternoon including the POTS and all was fine, i then did some breathing and the POTS again at bedtime, must have zoned out and fell to sleep. During the night i had a very vivid nightmare, i was more frightened than i have been in many years, i literally felt terrified and unable to move, the dream state was semi lucid with me being aware of my room and surroundings but also in the nightmare at the same time. . When i finally woke in the morning i was sweaty and could tell i had been sweating heavily through the night. But felt strangely more curious than worried.

I don't know if this nightmare was a symptom of clearing out old emotions or dealing with past fears? If it is i think i will just have to get used to them, but i just hope it might be a one off.

Hi rolyateel
I've had quite a few nightmares....it seems that if you are doing the full program too intensely or too often this can happen. You can back off the frequency of the full program, or skip the Ba-Ha/round breathing part....this should stop any nightmares reoccurring.
It could be that this was a physical detox responce (hence the sweating)...perhaps the nightmare represented this? Have you started on the detox diet yet? :)
 
Nomad said:
The way that one attracts extra GL attention to oneself, is by acting and moving in the world without the necessary understanding of how it works (and how you work), so one unwittingly raises one's head above the parapet, so to speak. Gudjieff tells many stories, exploring the ideas of attempting to manouevre without raising the 'GL alarm' - by being 'in the world but not of it - by acting a role and fully understanding 'strategic enclosure'. This requires first of all that you 'know yourself', which is something the EE program can help with.

Thanks for the input Nomad. So I guess the answer is to keep doing the EE program and try to do more self observation? It would be nice to be able to maneuver in the world without attracting the attention of the GL. I'm not sure what I could have done to bring on this attention, but this is obviously due to lack of knowledge on the subject. Is it what is happening internally that attracts this GL attention or ones external actions?
 
dugdeep said:
It's not dissimilar to what happened to me when playing around with the "Law of Attraction" stuff a few years back (yes, I know. I was a chump, what can I say). I was trying some methods from a book by Lynn Grabhorn called "Excuse Me, Your Life Is Waiting" where she recommends pushing your big problems out of your mind and concentrating on bringing up really positive emotional states. At that time I noticed my mood improve significantly (I'm often told I'm a bit of a downer). My girlfriend's moods and complaints (attacks?) didn't seem to have the same effect on me any more as I seemed to side-step emotional traps without reacting. Well, this brought on one giant crash of crushing stress which sent me into a tailspin of depression that I think I'm still getting over, to a certain extent. It wasn't until I started assimilating the Wave/Adventures material that I really started to understand that what I suffered was probably an attack by unseen entropic forces. They were missing their lunch!

Have you started to do the detoxing? Have you begun to make changes in your diet? You may find that your mood will change when you get off the poisons they feed to us -- especially wheat, diary, and sugar. The EE is great, but it needs to be supplemented with a regular detox programme and the dietary changes.
 
Galahad said:
Have you started to do the detoxing? Have you begun to make changes in your diet? You may find that your mood will change when you get off the poisons they feed to us -- especially wheat, diary, and sugar. The EE is great, but it needs to be supplemented with a regular detox programme and the dietary changes.

Hello Galahad. Yes, I've been on the detox diet for a few months now and am going strong. I was on it before the solstice for a few months as well (I fell off the wagon for a month or so in there). I haven't moved into any therapies like FIR saunas or coffee enemas, though, only diet and supplements.
 
3D Student said:
A little note that I just remembered and seemed significant: I haven't had much metaphysical effects with the program, but lately I have been noticing more of those little dots of light that flash for instantaneous amounts of time. I had had these before and they were less frequent. But now I get them more often and they last longer, almost a second now. They also sometimes do things like move in a curve during that short one second period. They are silver in color and rarely black also. When the move they are reminiscent of the way a neon sign looks. I notice them more when I read the forum, but that could be because of the light gray background makes them easier to detect. FWIW.

Rolyateel and 3D Student:

After practicing proper belly breathing and pipe breathing for a few days, I started the actual program the Friday before last, March 5th. Laura suggested in a post that since I have anxiety problems due to PTSD, that I should skip the bio-energetic portion for now. So I just did the 3-stage breathing and the POTS that day.

The next morning, I woke up and stretched, then opened my eyes to see little specks of light darting around my field of vision for about 5 seconds. The ones I saw were primarily a bright white, but 3D Student, this sounds like almost exactly what you experienced.

I have seen "eye floaters" on a daily basis since I was a child which apparently is just debris of various sorts stuck in the vitreous fluid of the eye. This experience was much more vivid and surreal. I can currently only speculate as to what really occurred.

I have been doing the program (minus the round-breathing) every other day since then. There have been no other strange occurrences, only a state of calmness that lasts for several hours following each session. I should mention that long-forgotten memories have been coming to mind lately, events and scenarios I haven't thought about in years. From what I've read about EE and the experiences of others, this is not uncommon. I just take this as evidence that the program is doing its job.
 
Desiderata said:
I have been doing the program (minus the round-breathing) every other day since then. There have been no other strange occurrences, only a state of calmness that lasts for several hours following each session. I should mention that long-forgotten memories have been coming to mind lately, events and scenarios I haven't thought about in years. From what I've read about EE and the experiences of others, this is not uncommon. I just take this as evidence that the program is doing its job.

Yes, it is. Things continue to work themselves out under the surface. Old memories coming to mind, vivid dreams, etc. These are all things working themselves out. So I would say that you are doing it just right. ;)
 
My experiences of the E-E Breathing-Meditation, this week are similar to last week, tears running down my face during PotS. This is an inward sign of something happening, even if nothing is apparently in an obvious way, emotion-wise, on the outside. However, it must be said that as far as the outside is concerned, I have noticed my-self chuckling more often than was the case before – that must be progress. Fatigue has continued to trouble me this week, despite my attempts at rest and relaxation! :( Obviously my body disagrees with my attempts and wants something more substantial in terms of slowing down and recuperation! :)

Still, spring starts at the weekend with the Equinox, and for me, an official period of rest, relaxation and recuperation; walks in nature are the order of the day.
Parker Palmer in A Hidden Wholeness said:
There are three keys to creating a schedule that welcomes the soul: slow down, do more with less, and pay attention to rhythm.

… this is what it means to walk into the woods quietly, sit at the base of a tree and wait patiently for the shy soul to emerge and make its claim on our lives.

… We have a conversation with our own souls – one that just might change our lives.
 
Phew, finally finished reading this mammoth thread!

Thanks to all those who have posted their experiences here. I've found particularly helpful the information given by many in regards to emotional blocking as this is an issue that I've been working on.

My experiences with the EE have been: similar physical experiences to many here and one of the rarer ones mentioned - sexual arousal during one full program. I have also both zoned and slept. I don't remember anything unusual about the zoning nor do I recall any dreams during the sleeping. I haven't had any emotional releases during the full program, however, I have felt emotions come up between sessions. Both anger and sadness. Release of the emotions has either been difficult, or perhaps I'm expecting too much. Once I felt sadness come up and briefly sobbed. I remember thinking 'yahoo, now I can get it out!' but as soon as that thought come up, the sadness disappeared and the sobbing stopped. Maybe 'yahoo' is a judgement I should avoid?

One experience I did have that I don't remember reading about here...and I'm not sure what to call it so I'll just describe it. I went to a mind, body, soul expo and decided that I would concentrate on my breathing and attempt to breath correctly the whole time I was there. I am a shallow chest breather by habit. I sat in on a talk, and I cant'remember the subject of the talk other than to say that at one point the talk giver decided to do a group meditation. The meditation did involve concentrating on breath, but there was little advice about how to do it, so I decided to do the Beatha breathing and also recite POTS to myself at the same time. There was an aboriginal playing the didjeridoo at the same time. At some point during this it felt as though I expanded some how but at the same time I became aware of the fact that I'd stopped breathing all together. It was not a total zone out because I was still aware of my body and the other sounds of the room. The curious thing is that I felt no sense of oxygen deprivation or anxiety about the fact that I wasn't breathing. I can't say how long that went on for. But its like there was a part of me that was just observing the fact that I wasn't breathing. In a sense I was waiting for that feeling of oxygen deprivation to come again, but it didn't, well at least not seemingly inside of a time frame that I would imagine it should have. Then I thought 'well I better take a breath any way' even though I still felt totally comfortable and relaxed with the fact that I wasn't breathing.

Any thoughts on this?
 
Jones said:
At some point during this it felt as though I expanded some how but at the same time I became aware of the fact that I'd stopped breathing all together. It was not a total zone out because I was still aware of my body and the other sounds of the room. The curious thing is that I felt no sense of oxygen deprivation or anxiety about the fact that I wasn't breathing. I can't say how long that went on for. But its like there was a part of me that was just observing the fact that I wasn't breathing. In a sense I was waiting for that feeling of oxygen deprivation to come again, but it didn't, well at least not seemingly inside of a time frame that I would imagine it should have. Then I thought 'well I better take a breath any way' even though I still felt totally comfortable and relaxed with the fact that I wasn't breathing.

Any thoughts on this?

I think that you reaaaaaally relaxed there, Jones :) It is very common to feel like you are not breathing when in a very relaxed state. It happens to me too, and to others, and i mentioned it a while back in this thread:

And then comes the meditation. After Laura starts reciting the prayer, i suddenly feel fully relaxed, as i inhale and exhale slowly to each phrase. As it progresses, i feel that my body doesn't want to breath anymore, does not need it, it is sooo relaxed. And that's when i feel the floating. I feel all the parts of my body that are in contact with the floor being solid, while the rest of me feels like a wave of energy that flows continuously, like ocean waves that come and go to the shore, and i am fully aware of everything that goes on around me, inside of me. So weird, but wonderful at the same time.

After observing myself more in this state, i realized that i have not stopped breathing completely, but instead my body on its own, without any conscious effort from my part, takes these tiny imperceptible almost breaths, which are enough for where/how i am in the moment.

And i made a face when i read that you were not given instructions on how to breath during the meditation. It happened to me many times in the past, and i would look around to see what everyone else was doing to try and do it myself. Of course i wasn't sure about what everyone else did, so i'd sit there and improvise, feeling that i missed something and confused. Not into meditation mode at all! So bravo to you for implementing pipe breathing and the POTS :flowers:
 
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