Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

Happy Birthday Éiriú-Eolas Amazing it has already been a year since it's debut!

Thank you Laura and crew for bringing this wonderful program to all of humanity!

Learning the program and sharing it with others has been a life changing experience :)
 
Happy Birthday Eiriu-Eolas! It's been quite the year. A lot of peaks and valleys. Having done EE for a year now, I believe I was able to see more deeply into my programs and predator's mind, which has been overwhelming at times, being that seeing it still does not always equate to controlling it. But also many times doing EE has helped so much in dealing w/the stresses of life. And the micro-zoning and tiredness that occurs during and after the full program is always quite refreshing.

Hypnagogic states have been on the decrease lately. Only one incident I can remember in the last several weeks which happened a few days ago. Felt like something was trying to squeeze just left of my solar plexus (from a 1st person perspective). Coincidentally or not, this occurs the same night I take 5-htp and go to see my old band (vampires!) for the first time in forever.

Also, in the last few weeks I've had a lot of anger come out to the surface. I'm wondering if EE is bringing this up to the surface more so that I have to deal with it rather than supress it like I usually do. There were some triggers for it, and the anger has been with me longer than I usually get angry for. I remember when I first started with EE I had a few dreams that seemed to be dealing with anger issues, so I wonder if this is part of the emotional release process of doing the meditation. Because, how Laura states in the intro, sometimes you might feel like punching a pillow or crying, oh could I ever punch a pillow at certain times in the last while. :cool2:

Thank you Laura and crew for the program! Here's to another year of EE being spread across the globe!
 
Oh wow, I missed this thread for a few days and EE is now a year old! Happy belated birthday Éiriú-Eolas! :flowers:

Some of my recent experiences with EE seem to be that I fall asleep during the prayer pretty soon. But last week I was tired from getting up an hour earlier to get used to the ultrasimple diet that I just started. I also don't have tears roll down my face during pipe breathing like some are reporting. This would only happen during my just-before-bed pipe breathing and not during the program, but not at all now.
 
So what are some common (or uncommon) errors in the breathing program? When I first started, I yawned A LOT, but then that went away. Now when I do it I feel nothing. I tried searching the subject, but didn't find much.
Thanks in advance.
 
Hi lamalamalamalama

Galahad said:
There is also a FAQ that will give you an in-depth look at the programme along with answers to the questions that have come up most often from practitioners.

The link you require, it may help or not, is the Guide/FAQ, which is here: www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=14410.0
It has a host of 'things,'or experiences, that users have reported in this thread.



Edit:added quote
 
lamalamalamalama said:
When I first started, I yawned A LOT, but then that went away. Now when I do it I feel nothing.

Are you focused on doing the pipe-breathing correctly? If not, maybe re-affirming how to do it by watching Laura's intro, the last 15 minutes and going over it to make sure you are close to the proper technique. http://eiriu-eolas.org/about/ Maybe even watching and practicing it with her and then doing the program so its clearer in your mind?

Also, deep, relaxed belly breathes in through the nose, out through the mouth, the entire program, even the inbetweens. And make sure your filling your lungs, no shallow breathes.

By proper breathing alone, you should automatically feel more relaxed and at ease, regardless of any potential esoteric happenings. Like Laura says, pay attention to your body, notice all your bodies sensations. :)
 
brainwave said:
Hi Wattsup,

Can you travel to New York City?
We have ongoing classes at two locations here. There is also Fitchburg MA as others have noted.
A possible option is if you can gather a group of people (say at least 30) who would definitely take the course and you can arrange a place for it to be held it may be worthwhile for us to make a trip to Montreal sometime in September. However, at this time we do not have the connections or the resources to arrange a class in Montreal.

Brainwave.

Could you give me your fee as for giving classes as well as any other pertinent info...

Thanks

Wattsup
 
I haven't done the whole EE these last two weeks, only the meditation. But I wanted to "put on paper" some about what I'm currently thinking.

I need to find a natural and comfortable way of doing the meditation. I also want to partake in a course that will show me exactly how the pipe breathing as well as the other portions of the program are done. I don't know how that's going to happen but I need to something to give me a pat on the back and show me the way to go.

Perhaps I'm one of those who reintegrate in little bits and pieces (Hopefully! I have a nagging suspicion that nothing at all is happening). My obstacle to doing/benefiting from EE seem to be mostly psychological, I'm defeated in advance when I think that nothing is going to happen and in thinking that something SHOULD happen. I have so little faith in the process. I just want to get the experiences that others are getting!

Yet I can see how EE has helped in the past, atleast I think I had some objective progress last winter doing EE, even what I think was emotional release during one dream. Also some hypnagogic states as others have mentioned. But since the psychosis, it seems there is very little advance in these things.

I would so much like to be of more help to myself and others. I would so much like to make progress, shed all this programming from me and be able to See and DO. Do my own part in this grand spectacle.
 
Hi Smallwood. My experiences with the EE program, having done it for the most part regularly for almost a year now, are the following:

The changes and benefits it has brought to my life have happened very gradually and 'under the surface'. I haven't experienced seeing colours or faces, as some have reported, and 'big releases' of trauma have happened only a few times; looking back and trying to see my process I feel more like the traumas and programs have slowly but steadily 'leaked out of me'.

But now, as almost a year has gone by and I look back at my life it's clear that the changes have been remarkable. The biggest and most positive changes have happened only recently. In between there has been all sorts of problems. It seems like one has to trust the process, endure some unpleasent periods and after that the aligning with the universecan start and good things start to happen.

I hope you find the discipline to do the EE regularly and without anticipation. Don't compare your experiences with others, we all react differently. I'm sure you learn the right technique to do the exercises by watching again those excellent videos. Don't let the predator tell you it's too difficult to learn!
 
Woah! I missed this thread for a while, too. Happy Birthday EE, and thank you everyone for sharing it! :)

Smallwood said:
I haven't done the whole EE these last two weeks, only the meditation. But I wanted to "put on paper" some about what I'm currently thinking.

I need to find a natural and comfortable way of doing the meditation. I also want to partake in a course that will show me exactly how the pipe breathing as well as the other portions of the program are done. I don't know how that's going to happen but I need to something to give me a pat on the back and show me the way to go.

Perhaps I'm one of those who reintegrate in little bits and pieces (Hopefully! I have a nagging suspicion that nothing at all is happening). My obstacle to doing/benefiting from EE seem to be mostly psychological, I'm defeated in advance when I think that nothing is going to happen and in thinking that something SHOULD happen. I have so little faith in the process. I just want to get the experiences that others are getting!

Yet I can see how EE has helped in the past, atleast I think I had some objective progress last winter doing EE, even what I think was emotional release during one dream. Also some hypnagogic states as others have mentioned. But since the psychosis, it seems there is very little advance in these things.

I would so much like to be of more help to myself and others. I would so much like to make progress, shed all this programming from me and be able to See and DO. Do my own part in this grand spectacle.

You are definitely not alone with this; I feel the same way! Having read all of the wonderful experiences people have here, I just automatically expect something to happen, so no big psychic experiences or anything like that. It's hard for me to just think, "The Universe will sort this out, based on my current level of understanding," or just keeping a thought that neither expects nor rejects entirely. I wonder how to get on the point of the learning cycle where I may have complete faith in this.

Maybe it has to do with being in a state of self remembrance? As cliche as it sounds, "Don't think, feel." Then again, invasive thoughts usually find their way in anyways, unless I have enough energy to get angry at them, while keeping a clear head. This is really hard for me while doing the breathing, though, as I dissociate so much (which, I think, is intentional to relax your body).

I don't recall ever having any hallucinations while doing the program, or afterwards. Maybe pieces of vivid dreams once in a while. I only cry during the program when something depressing crosses my mind, usually having to do with frustrations with my (lack of) financial independence. Even though nothing fantastic happens, I still feel very relaxed afterwards, so I think that still helps a lot.

Perhaps I'm just doing the breathing incorrectly. I'll need to review the material provided online.


As far as comfort goes, have you tried to do the program lying down? I've had severe back pain whenever I tried to do the program in the lotus position as the girls do.

I think you are making progress, Smallwood! Shedding this programming comes hand in hand with networking. You help others just by posting here, as your thoughts can resonate with what others are feeling, too.

An easy thing to do that could help a lot of people is posting flyers around your town about EE. That's what I've been trying to do lately; quite a few tear-off slips get taken, so I think it helps. But it works best if we have a "snowball" effort with this.

Gotta go now, but thanks for posting your thoughts! Maybe next Monday you can start the whole program again. :)
 
Smallwood said:
I haven't done the whole EE these last two weeks, only the meditation. But I wanted to "put on paper" some about what I'm currently thinking.

I need to find a natural and comfortable way of doing the meditation. I also want to partake in a course that will show me exactly how the pipe breathing as well as the other portions of the program are done. I don't know how that's going to happen but I need to something to give me a pat on the back and show me the way to go.

Perhaps I'm one of those who reintegrate in little bits and pieces (Hopefully! I have a nagging suspicion that nothing at all is happening). My obstacle to doing/benefiting from EE seem to be mostly psychological, I'm defeated in advance when I think that nothing is going to happen and in thinking that something SHOULD happen. I have so little faith in the process. I just want to get the experiences that others are getting!

Yet I can see how EE has helped in the past, atleast I think I had some objective progress last winter doing EE, even what I think was emotional release during one dream. Also some hypnagogic states as others have mentioned. But since the psychosis, it seems there is very little advance in these things.

I would so much like to be of more help to myself and others. I would so much like to make progress, shed all this programming from me and be able to See and DO. Do my own part in this grand spectacle.

Aragorn said:
Hi Smallwood. My experiences with the EE program, having done it for the most part regularly for almost a year now, are the following:

The changes and benefits it has brought to my life have happened very gradually and 'under the surface'. I haven't experienced seeing colours or faces, as some have reported, and 'big releases' of trauma have happened only a few times; looking back and trying to see my process I feel more like the traumas and programs have slowly but steadily 'leaked out of me'.

But now, as almost a year has gone by and I look back at my life it's clear that the changes have been remarkable. The biggest and most positive changes have happened only recently. In between there has been all sorts of problems. It seems like one has to trust the process, endure some unpleasent periods and after that the aligning with the universecan start and good things start to happen.

I hope you find the discipline to do the EE regularly and without anticipation. Don't compare your experiences with others, we all react differently. I'm sure you learn the right technique to do the exercises by watching again those excellent videos. Don't let the predator tell you it's too difficult to learn!

Hi Smallwood,

FWIW, I agree with Aragorn and zlyja. I practiced EE regularly last summer/fall and "somehow" I "fell out of practice" over the course of the winter. Last night I reviewed my journal from last year and I noticed a marked change in my attitudes, handwriting and the coherency of my thoughts over the course of the summer/fall (during the time I practiced EE) and a decline in the same over the course of the winter. I pretty much stopped writing in my journal by this spring, so I have no point of comparison for that period! I only recently started practicing EE again and the difference is quite noticeable, although not drastic. I find the seated, 3 stage breathing portion of the program easier to complete each time I do it because my body is more relaxed. I find it easier to sit through the program each time, although I also practice the round breathing/bio-energetic breathing lying down. I feel a bit more patient and less quick to anger, less quick to react. Like I have more space to feel -> think -> act.

Like Aragorn, I have not seen faces or heard voices, nor do I remember any 'big releases' of trauma, crying, etc. Don't give up! A powerful desire to "do it the right way" or "get it right the first time" led me to slowly drop the full EE practices (I don't have time, I'm not doing it right, etc.) and then slowly fall out of practice with POTS as well over the course of a few months. It was a slow, tricky, sluggish, lazy slide.

I want to share my experiences with the program from the last couple of practices.

I practice the POTS meditation nightly, and I do a few rounds of pipe breathing whenever I think of it over the course of the day. Sometimes this works out to 3 or 4 times, sometimes once or not at all until POTS before sleep. Some days I practice the stretches in the morning with 3 stage breathing and warriors breath, sometimes I wake up late, or am too tired, or don't have time. I practice Ba-ha/round breathing/bio-energetic breathing on Mondays and Thursdays if I can, or if I miss that day I try to fit it in on the next day.

The weather here is very hot and humid, so last night I took a shower before practice, as I did the whole session before bed, but I was all sweaty again by the time I started stage one of 3 stage breathing. I try to pay close attention to the sensations in my body, as Laura says in the recording, which helps me to relax. It seems that I relax a little bit more each time, as the sitting/breathing gets a bit easier each time. When I laid down for bio-energetic breathing I was very sweaty, but by the second round my legs (from the waist down) felt cold and tingly. Maybe an effect of the round breathing? I felt a strong "lifting sensation" on my whole body during the last round, and I noticed that when Ba-Ha was over I was no longer sweaty. I felt very focused during POTS and didn't experience any zoning.

I am reading the Ultra Mind Solution and I have Detoxification and Healing on order. I am already following some of Dr. Hyman's suggestions (eating whole foods, no sugar or HFCS, no caffeine, almost no gluten or dairy and only goats milk, no trans fats, no soy, extra green veggies, all local and organic meats, as little preservatives as possible, daily cod liver oil and multivitamin), but I am stunned by the wealth of information he presents. I think of myself as a healthy person and a very health conscious eater, but I learn something on almost every page of that book. I put off reading it for way too long because I thought I already knew all about it. OSIT

I hope this is helpful

S
 
Thanks again guys... this forum never lets me down. I will copy your answers to my desktop somewhere and read them every time I feel like not doing EE for whatever reason.

I've been thinking about whether I should post EE flyers as others are doing. It seems important that as many people as possible benefit from it. In fact, I think I'm going to do it without much thinking about it.

Edit: though I specially have to say that I'm really concerned about the lack of emotional releases... after all isn't it the bad stuff inside someone which would cause them to get soul-smashed... well... I guess it's better to let DCM worry about that.
 
Hi Smallwood,

Smallwood said:
I've been thinking about whether I should post EE flyers as others are doing. It seems important that as many people as possible benefit from it. In fact, I think I'm going to do it without much thinking about it.

I think that's a good idea!

Smallwood said:
Edit: though I specially have to say that I'm really concerned about the lack of emotional releases... after all isn't it the bad stuff inside someone which would cause them to get soul-smashed... well... I guess it's better to let DCM worry about that.

Lately with EE I haven't had many emotional releases, only feeling happy and relieved. But I think that is also some kind of (emotional) release or atleast a positive effect. If you're doing it right, which is important I think, emotional releases can manifest in your life in different ways I think and it doesn't need to happen during the EE, osit. Maybe it'll hit you on the least-expected moment. But don't be waiting on that. Just continue doing the EE and keep your eyes and ears open, whatever happens, happens. And not only emotional releases are part of EE, also other things are, which could be just as important. Maybe you'll achieve those first before emotional releases happen. I don't know.
We're all unique and the EE has a different effect on each of us. It's important to have patience :).

And it's better not to anticipate, which could have a counterproductive effect maybe. Just see the EE more like a thing that is part of your life, just like brushing your teeth is or making a meal, maybe that'll make it feel more natural to do. Tell yourself that you'll only do the warming-up and maybe when you've done that you'll feel like doing more and you could tell yourself you can do the 3-stage breathing now that you've begun anyway etc. Learned this from Laura:

Laura said:
When I was in therapy after my accident, I was supposed to swim (read: TRY to swim; it was painful and difficult) for an hour every day. I was good for a few days and then I noted that I started making excuses, I was too busy, I could skip today and do more tomorrow (only tomorrow I had another excuse), I didn't feel so good, the water was too cold, I was behind on doing some task, etc. So, what I did was this: I told myself, I'll just do FIVE minutes - just a token to keep my hand in, so to say - and that way I will have met my obligation a LITTLE bit and I won't feel so much like a complete slacker. After all, five minutes is better than nothing.

With that thought, knowing that I wasn't obligated to a big ordeal, I could get on the suit and head out the back door.

So, I would get in the water for my five minutes and, guess what? After five minutes I would say to myself: "well, I'm here and I've done five minutes, no reason I can't do 10." After ten minutes I'd say to myself: "okay, I've done ten minutes, no reason I can't do 20." After 20 minutes: "I'm only 10 minutes away from HALF an hour, might as well take it to there." And after half an hour: "Gee, I've done half, why not just go the whole way? That wasn't so hard!"

Hopefully, you can get the principle I'm trying to convey here. It's like bargaining with the predator, throwing the wolf a piece of meat to distract him from what you are really doing which is building a history of DOing in spite of all the internal resistance. Once you have a history of DOing, the internal resistance gets weaker and weaker and one day, there is just YOU in charge, finally.

So, if you find yourself slipping back, just commit to doing a little bit of whatever it is now, and you will find that once you get the flow going, the rest may come easier. And, of course, there is always the situation where you ARE unable to complete something and just doing a little bit does keep your hand in!

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=18492.msg174234#msg174234
 
Hi everybody

Smallwood, i agree with the comments, so the only thing i'd like to add is that being continuous, persistent and patient is the most important thing to do. The results will be reached at some point, when and how is the surprise.
 
I think you are right pirataloko. Lately my negative introject has been working overtime to take me back to sleep. Sometimes it is to easy to listen to it. Evenmore when you are feeling negative most of the days.
 
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