Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

RedFox said:
I only came to the realisation last night.....
I wanted to work on perfecting my technique for repairing a particular type of laptop fault last night.....my equipment being completely disorganised (a complete mess to be honest), all over my bedroom floor (and creeping out into my parents house) I was unable to find the high temperature probe I needed to be successful.....
I have a feeling of stress when this (repeatedly) happens whilst 'wanting' to get the job done. So I eventually stopped and decided to try tidying up instead.....which made me feel infinitely better. I had put on old work clothes to do the job, and upon removing them (they stunk) my energy also picked up along with my thinking.
I have not been able to make any changes beyond that....but did then start questioning the source of this drive to 'do' things in such a way as to create a mess/stress for myself (and others).....self sabotage. But I also look a bit like a tramp at the moment (need to have a shave), and needed a shower badly...so all of these behaviours seem connected.
It was questioning these that led me to the feeling of primal fear.....that I feel I have no space of my own......that I am rejecting all life, rejecting living....because I feel guilty for existing....part of me does fwiw
Symbolically I am surrounding myself with decay......with broken electronics (symbolic of entropy even when they are working)....I remember being identified with 'goth' culture a while ago too....so perhaps its all symbolic of death/decay. Or at least part of me does....
I connected this to my birth trauma (its the only thing I have to go on....perhaps its not needed?)....if I nearly died at birth then perhaps I never really lived (and subconsciously surrounded myself with decay) as a defence against having to face that trauma.
Perhaps I am over thinking this?

It's interesting to notice when our energy levels seem to go up. It seems that you have not been taken care of yourself and your environment , so when you started cleaning you did something for yourself and your environment, which gave you energy, because you gave attention to yourself.
Rather than using your energy on anything but yourself/environment. And since there is no energy input coming from you, then that might explain the broken electronics. Do you enjoy/love fixing things? Or do you see it more as 'something that needs to be done'?

It seems you don't really appreciate yourself, as the beautiful, curious and adventurous person you really are :) Feel guilty for existing? Every time that thought comes up, tell yourself ''I understand your feeling, but really, there is no need to feel guilty. Look, you're putting effort in participating in the forum, helping others, and you're observing yourself, you're doing EE, you're doing something and people, DCM, Loves you for that. And even if you didn't do these things, you didn't do anything wrong to anybody and even if you did, do you not wish to learn from those mistakes? No one's perfect! Otherwise everybody should feel guilty, and that's just wrong, don't you agree? You have all the right to exist, and life'll be fun once you realize that!"

Something like this. Perhaps it might work.

You nearly died at birth, and as a warrior you escaped death and decided to live. See it as an inspiration to Do more, to Live the life you chose to live.
This trauma might play a role, but maybe being raised in a narcissistic family played a role as well.

RedFox said:
Quieting my mind as best I can...moving my focus (with a sense of acceptance) to my feelings and away from 'thinking'.
Any tips welcomed

I would say to myself: "I understand why you're thinking that, but honestly what is so stupid about this? I know, it could be anything, but it's interesting! Stupid would be wanting to be the same person always and never wanting to change. I want to change, to observe and to question, even if it means crying when I naturally feel like it! It's an adventurous way of living, to want to grow, don't you think?" You kinda have to start to come to some kind of agreement with yourself, and to realize that these "being so stupid" thoughts come from programming and not from your heart.
This doesn't mean per se that these ''being so stupid'' thoughts will go away, but they will lose much power, and kind of stay in the background. This has been my experience.

You can also change these thoughts into being more objective about what happened. (if that makes sense)

RedFox said:
I had an image come to mind before and during the POTS.....of a child desperately clinging to something (a ledge?) for dear life....his hand about to give out with exhaustion, and older hands (perhaps my hands?) being placed on his to comfort him only for it to feel like I was trying to force him to let go of the ledge and 'fall to his death'.....the sense of primal fear was quite intense.
Its possible also (thinking back) that I was not allowing him to let go, or perhaps was even putting his hand back?? I don't know.... :/
This is why I decided to skip the round breathing.

Maybe that little child could be your inner child?

RedFox said:
*edit* to add I do not know if these emotions where formed at a time when I had words....so its possible they exist in a wordless state of pure emotion. It seems that I need to build an understanding to connect with them.....
As a baby and small child I was easily overloaded by emotions (especially others) and minor changes (to my local environment). My startle response lasted years instead of weeks.

I have hope it will happen!
 
Alana said:
For me it was always not as comfortable to breath out through the mouth when i rest. You say that for you it changed at some point. Was it maybe something to do with the posture? For example, are you doing the meditation at the same place, do you use the same posture, are you using the same number of pillows under your head, etc?

That's interesting, I don't think I do anything differently. I always do the program (and the breathing/POTS at night) in my bed, on the same pillow, etc. But I think that maybe just before zoning out before, I was already breathing out through the nose, but did not notice because of the images, lights, etc. I was seeing. Now I have not had anything like that in some time and I have had the opportunity to pay attention to what I do. Hmmm... Now I see why these images, lights, etc. are called distractions!
But when I breathe out through the mouth during the POTS, I feel basically in hypervigilance and don't really relax. And that changes as soon as I breathe out through the nose. So I think I'll do what you do ('launch' the POTS breathing out through the mouth, then do what feels natural).

Thanks Alana!

Sasha said:
In fact I had the feeling of not breathing at all

Now that you mention that, I remember when I was starting the EE a year ago that I had one or two occurences of this during the POTS: suddenly, I would 'snap' out of whatever state I was in (sleeping? zoning out? dissociation?) and was kinda freaked out that I was not breathing anymore. I was just breathing very slowly and faintly. Very bizarre for me (hence the freaking out).

Sasha said:
Or, is it maybe that "forcing" is actually beneficial (if done in correct and proper way, off course)? It's only, like Laura pointed out way back, that for most of us at present level of our development (learning curve) it's just a little bit too much to be engaged in physical disciplinary training together with all emotional and mental stuff being stirred up and released by practicing EE.

The way I currently understand it, you are supposed to be in the most relaxed and comfortable position possible, because your predator's mind will be distraction enough during the POTS/meditation without you having to feel awkward or even hurt. It is several times repeated in the EE program to be at ease, comfortable, etc.

Endymion said:
When I'm lying down, however, there comes a point where my body wants to stop nose/mouth breathing, and continue breathing only through the nose.

Apparently several of us are experiencing this!

Myrddin Awyr said:
However, this is not the case when I sat down on the chair when I was able to breathe out through the mouth quite comfortably.

Yes, it probably would be different for me as well on a chair. I never do the POTS on a chair, I'll admit.

Redfox said:
I've also been noticing more and more how my environment, clothes, hygiene and the people and food around me affect my energy levels....Its pretty weird to put on some clothes that probably should be washed days ago and be aware that they are draining your energy....only to take them back off and your energy return.

Without my shower in the morning and a fresh change of clothes, I don't think I could function the same (i know, it's sad :D). Same with a fresh home by the way: just seeing things lying around or put haphazardly everywhere and I feel my energy levels going down right away.
 
Mrs Tigersoap said:
Sasha said:
Or, is it maybe that "forcing" is actually beneficial (if done in correct and proper way, off course)? It's only, like Laura pointed out way back, that for most of us at present level of our development (learning curve) it's just a little bit too much to be engaged in physical disciplinary training together with all emotional and mental stuff being stirred up and released by practicing EE.

The way I currently understand it, you are supposed to be in the most relaxed and comfortable position possible, because your predator's mind will be distraction enough during the POTS/meditation without you having to feel awkward or even hurt. It is several times repeated in the EE program to be at ease, comfortable, etc.

This is also how I see it, and it seems that is the general consensus.
Fwiw, from my own observations during my tai chi and pilates classes, I notice that one of the things that takes people the most time to "get" is the breathing. Breathing is one of the most ingrained patterns we have, and it can take literally years to actually get used to breathe differently from what we have been used to.
I think that, similar to what has already been said, the most important is to keep the practice within one's comfort zone. When learning something new, in this case a breathing method, we'll often find a fine line dividing comfort and challenge. Trying to follow that line, from my understanding, can give good results. One the one hand we're trying to build in that new pattern, but on the other hand, we're doing it up to the point where we can still feel comfortable while doing it, so it is an action that feels "organic", as opposed to a forceful rigid one. In other words, progressing gradually, gently, and giving one's body time to adapt itself.

Redfox said:
Today I noticed that my body seems depressed, even though myself/mind/emotions are in reasonable spirits.....weird.
Later I noticed my belly felt sad.....extremely sad. So I've been staying with this sadness and allowing it to be there throughout the day.
I've noticed its about feeling emotionally safe enough to let it out (which I don't feel yet)....so I'm just being as much comfort/safety as I can to this feeling.
A bug hit my windscreen and splattered on the way in to work, and I burst out crying for a moment.....stopping the automatic negative thoughts that kick in and berate you for 'being so stupid' moments later is pretty hard.

Now that you mention it Redfox, I've also been noticing responses from my body concerning emotions. Sometimes while doing EE I see written words, from a specific emotion that I'd lately been feeling coming out from a particular part of my body, as if they're either generated or purely kept there.

It's sad to see how much we've been conditioned to not accept emotions because we find them less appropriate, or stupid. I can also very well relate to that, I do that without even noticing sometimes. I think, however, that is important to remember that we judge our emotional outbursts for no other reason then cultural programing, and that has been so overwhelmingly strong that it takes a lifetime (or almost) to be able to see our emotions, understand them, and give them their due value.
My suggestion, in which I'm including myself, would be to observe the judgemental you, that is if you can't stop it from judging, but develop alongside it a You that simply questions, why did I just cry? That You, the You that wishes to See, will become stronger with practice.

Redfox said:
I have not been able to make any changes beyond that....but did then start questioning the source of this drive to 'do' things in such a way as to create a mess/stress for myself (and others).....self sabotage. But I also look a bit like a tramp at the moment (need to have a shave), and needed a shower badly...so all of these behaviours seem connected.
It was questioning these that led me to the feeling of primal fear.....that I feel I have no space of my own......that I am rejecting all life, rejecting living....because I feel guilty for existing....part of me does fwiw
Symbolically I am surrounding myself with decay......with broken electronics (symbolic of entropy even when they are working)....I remember being identified with 'goth' culture a while ago too....so perhaps its all symbolic of death/decay. Or at least part of me does....
I connected this to my birth trauma (its the only thing I have to go on....perhaps its not needed?)....if I nearly died at birth then perhaps I never really lived (and subconsciously surrounded myself with decay) as a defence against having to face that trauma.
Perhaps I am over thinking this?

Interesting observations. They do seem connected, at least to me. Looking at how you sabotage yourself can be a very good cue into one of your powerful destructive programs, and its origins. Perhaps this is also playing a role with your health issues as well?

Personally, I'm very affected by my environment. If everything around me is a mess, I seem unable to clear my mind, feel jittery and very irritable. With dirtiness, I feel like...I guess the best way to describe it is of having given up hope.
What seem to be small details, can have a huge effect on our mental or emotional state, osit.

I think that you've linked a couple of things which, upon futher observation, might help you to uncover the roots of an ingrained behaviour that is affecting your life.

Mrs Tigersoap said:
Without my shower in the morning and a fresh change of clothes, I don't think I could function the same (i know, it's sad Grin). Same with a fresh home by the way: just seeing things lying around or put haphazardly everywhere and I feel my energy levels going down right away.

Well, that makes two of us in a "sad" state Mrs Tigersoap ;D


I've reported before feeling more sensitive to things with EE, and I notice that my sensitivity seems to be increasing. It is a bit overwhelming at times. This weekend for example, I was sent an e-mail entitled "Photographs that made history". In that sequence of photos there were disturbing photos of war prisoners and hungry children. I burst into tears and cried....a cry that shook my body and that seemed to shake me to the core of my being. I cried for them, for all the others that are in similar or worse conditions, for a world that can have such a grim face. The feeling stood with me for the weekend.
I seem completely unable to control an overwhelming wave of very strong emotions when seeing more disturbing things. Sometimes this makes me feel a little vulnerable, in that I choose not to watch something (a video or movie) because I know it will take me a long time before I can erase or at least learn how to live with certain images in my mind.

Edit: added a sentence for clarity
 
RedFox said:
For those having trouble with breathing, I think the best approach is going to be go with what is most comfortable. You may find after a few weeks/months of breathing in/out through the nose that it then becomes easier to breath in through the nose and out through the mouth.
When you start out it is quite important I think to go with the in through the nose, out through the mouth breathing in the POTS section.....but as you've all been doing it some time now (over a year), perhaps just let it flow a little?

Doing the POTS before going to sleep I have always wanted to be on my back as to be able to breathe out through the mouth, but on your suggestion of experimenting, I have started to breathe the POTS out aswell as in before going to sleep and this is a lot easier. Now I can lie on my side and do the POTS and I am away... :zzz:

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Today I noticed that my body seems depressed, even though myself/mind/emotions are in reasonable spirits.....weird.
Later I noticed my belly felt sad.....extremely sad. So I've been staying with this sadness and allowing it to be there throughout the day.
I've noticed its about feeling emotionally safe enough to let it out (which I don't feel yet)....so I'm just being as much comfort/safety as I can to this feeling.

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You mention that you don't yet feel safe enough to let it out. Have you considered to try drawing or painting as this is another way to let emotions out and to express what one feels. I remember doing this at the end of rebirthing sessions and it often brought light to things. Experimenting with having a blank piece of paper and a box of crayons and just let it flow, seeing what comes out without thinking about it. Let the feelings have room to express themselves on paper. I would suggest trying that for a while and just see what happens. It could be a bridge to where you feel more comfortable in letting the feelings out. FWIW
 
RedFox said:
As to bringing stuff back from zoning out Puzzle, how is your diet going? Have you cut out wheat/dairy/sugar/soy/msg? Have you started the ultra simple/elimination diet?

I've cut out all the bad stuff for a pretty long time already (although there was one slip in the summer). I've started with USD many times, but I always came back to not being able to resist sunflower seeds and apples, and sometimes dried fruits, so I've been running around in circles in this regard. But in any case, I'm not giving up, and at least I haven't been eating anything unhealthy. I've also got some intolerances, went to a doc for a blood test to find them out for real, though the signs my body is sending are pretty clear already osit.

RedFox said:
Perhaps having something written on your body symbolises your body sending you a message you can't quite see/read yet (not enough knowledge to interpret the signal basically)? The most obvious one I can think of is do you get any skin rashes/problems of some sort?

I don't get skin rashes or problems in this direction, but you're spot on with that I can't quite read/see the signs yet, osit. That, yes, there's not enough knowledge to interpret the signal correctly. Thanks for alerting me to this, RedFox.


RedFox said:
Blimey....there are some interesting experiences going on. I've just started doing the full program again (have been just doing the pipe breathing and POTS until this week). Remembering to ask the DCM specific questions (in regard to seeing what needs to be seen) is something I'm learning slowly....but your right puzzle. I think I'm going to ask about my relationship and about my interactions with others.
Most of my questions have been vague ones about diet/health....they need to be more specific I think.

I think it's a good idea to ask DCM about your relationship and interaction with others - it can be so eye-opening..! Good luck with this! :)



truth seeker said:
Puzzle said:
Maybe this is one aspect you were talking about, truth seeker, when you said that networking brings about changes? As if exposing one's inner material to the network, it -on another level- gets a feedback from the network, without even having to be spelled out directly? However that may actually be, it's a really interesting process.

If I remember the context I was speaking in when I said that, I believe I meant that networking, in a sense, clears the air. In a way, it's like speaking the truth to a lie. The lie being our subjective viewpoint and the truth being the more objective viewpoint that the network provides. By networking, the lie (in whatever form it may take) has no place to fester but rather is brought out into the light and seen for what it is.

In my experience, the change brought about can almost be instantaneous although depending on the situation, it may take longer. It can present as relief that something hidden has been spoken/let go of while also providing confirmation that we can trust others with our deepest fears and not be rejected. This can make us more open to trusting others and ourselves as well as make us more compassionate to others who are in the same situation. If general law is what happens when we engage in a lie, choosing to speak or see the truth breaks the hold of entropy and from there all possibilities become available.

Just my opinion but while this can occur as a shift in thought and should begin there, I "think" there is a definite action that needs to take place via sharing to have it's fullest effect. In the second to the last post, I wrote about this blue rectangle. If I just stayed with the thought that it was just me experiencing weird stuff, I would never really know if it was just me or not. This can hook into specialness programs and fester with me never knowing if others are going through it or not (which is a lie). By posting about it, I broke the chain of that loop. It then opened the way for someone who may also been thinking about the same thing but also didn't want to post (out of some internal fear or program they had). Well, manitoban posted and now I know that it's not just me but at least one other person and probably more. It also provides the knowledge to others of what they may expect and lets them know that they are not the only ones either. When we break the chains of entropy, we not only free ourselves, but others as well. Hope that makes sense, if not, let me know. :)

That does make sense, truth seeker, thanks for taking the time to explain it. :)

What I've experienced in this regard so far is that when sth is really big inside, sth running me big time (=the subjective/the lie), and if I post it, what (not always) happens is that (I'm not good in explaining it, it's like trying to explain an image) the exposure to the network, the network's eyes reading it change something almost at once, as if there was a connection (sorry, that word again ;) ) with the network mind and it is 'traveling' to me via a different channel, resulting therein that I suddenly see myself and my situation in another light, that is clearer than before osit, even before any reply is posted by others. Which is amazing. Just fwiw.


As to my recent EE experiences. I've made it a loved habit now to every time ask DCM to help me see clearly/understand/learn whatever is most urgent for me to see/understand/learn at the time being.

This time it resulted in seeing myself, or to be more clear, in seeing the horror of my machine's set-up. I saw my own vampire and the night following this seeing there was -in between normal dreams- Anart's face appearing in front of me, smiling kindly at me (maybe some encouragement that I'm on the right track with exploring machine?). And the day following that I had a really shocking experience, the-lesson-brought-home so to speak, on the potential destructiveness of a particular program in me and on realizing how easily I can be derailed from my path if I'm not careful enough. I was actually having the feeling of being remotely controlled and the whole situation had this surreal atmosphere to it, which I know already from one past experience of mine.
I could only put a stop to it the moment I disconnected (read: non-identified) from it, started questioning myself and started thinking. It was really frightening and has been bothering me a lot these recent days. Most especially the realization how I -in very real terms- can be a danger to others if I do not learn to spot it in time and take control.

I had actually for the first time grasped osit (and man, was I frightened and shocked!) how 4D STS can simply push them buttons and make people do whatever they want them to!

My emotional turmoil about it has subsided now though the lesson's intensity is very present. My fear was that 'What if I can never get a hold of this program, what if the vampire is too strong and I'm too weak? What if I'm bringing danger to the network?'.
Now I see I can indeed get a hold of this program. It just boils down to keep studying it and to pay attention always and accumulating knowledge. Some further things have clicked these recent days, too. That the vampire is nothing but osit a result of not having received enough healthy attention and caring as a child. With each new aspect being seen the bigger picture gets clearer. :) (The underlying fear in all this was that I'm evil and no way to cure that. (I wonder where this fear is coming from?)

But mostly, this lesson-brought-home was merely about me having to pay attention, because that program/the remotely-controlled-ness could only take hold because I wasn’t paying attention, I was all enthusiastic about a very fresh realization I had about my inner child and in my mind writing a post for the forum. Nothing else existed but these thoughts.


Another thing I've observed is how I only very rarely concentrate only on the breathing itself. What happens when I do the program (except for the meditation) is that I'm simultaneously looking at recent realizations of mine, or thinking of what I've read on the forum, or also talking with you guys in the form of mental posts. My mind is ever-active, it’s like an intensified form of thinking in images. Not sure if I'm close in describing this though.
In any case, I think I should learn to concentrate solely on the breathing and not let my mind wander. Letting my mind be active despite the breathing would mean that a part of me is not present - something which surely is nothing to be desired. Maybe it’s time to start out doing the breathing without the audio, counting for myself and prolonging the counts of in- and outbreath, because it seems I’m so used to the breathing it’s become automatical mode, thus the huge amount of mental activity osit. I also still yawn pretty much, which is most probably connected to it.


I've also observed that the stiffness in my shoulders and neck has lessened. I'd been wondering why the stiffness would stay for so long (been doing the program for almost a year now), and then I recently saw how it is now starting to lessen somewhat.

RedFox said:
I've also been noticing more and more how my environment, clothes, hygiene and the people and food around me affect my energy levels....

Fwiw, I can relate to this. For me however I’ve only been sensing environment and people as affecting my energy levels. I live on the countryside and commute into the city daily to my work place. As soon as I enter the city I feel stress, noise and confusion surrounding me. As in energetical osit. I sense how if I’m not aware enough and do not protect and close up my inner space I can easily be influenced by what is surrounding me. But there’s a flip side to it, too. Sometimes I flee into my inner space and have all my concentration there, thus not paying attention to what is going on around and outside me.
 
Haven't done full program for two weeks now. Occasional pipe breathing and meditation before going to sleep, but not Beatha. Couple of days ago set myself to do the full program and fell asleep during three stage! That's a progress (tongue in cheek) since, and if I am tired, usually tend to zone out during the Beatha part. :) Perhaps it's a sign from my body that it needs rest (and it does), and perhaps a sign to slow down a bit and allow lessons and realizations to be worked on and integrated properly first.

It's been a rough kind of period lately with dreams that carry familiar recurring themes, lot of emotions bubbling inside. Still learning how to allow myself to be aware and feel them fully but also to keep them contained without affecting or overwhelming other centers. Not really there yet. Recently started to do trigger points massage sessions. And while the first one wasn't particularly eventful (the masseuse lady didn't want to go rough on my from the beginning), the second one really put my entire body under a strain. What was interesting to notice is, how hard it is for my body (and according to her, my left side in particular) to let go. After she mentioned it during the first session, I paid attention and felt how certain parts wouldn't simply relax even if all the external conditions supported it. My left pinky finger, for example, would stay almost straight when the rest of the hand would lie in a relaxed way, and even after consciously trying to relax it. Shoulders, again, particularly the left one, keep going up, etc.

Letting go seem to be the main theme and lesson to deal with. Perhaps it is also a reason for a sort of emotional bottleneck effect where there is an inner block that has to be resolved first before going forward. There are resolutions but to a degree that make me think if it's not similar to be cooked in my own juices instead of allowing them to pass through. Again, stubborn refusal to let go seems to be the key. The problem is, that doing inner pep talk, including frustrated "Would you let go, already!", for obvious reasons, wasn't that successful. The pinky and the rest are so damn stubborn. :D

Still working on it, this time trying another approach based on faith and patience since the need for control steams from fear. The Universe took care of me so far, while fear based thinking sabotaged it.
 
Puzzle said:
I've started with USD many times, but I always came back to not being able to resist sunflower seeds and apples, and sometimes dried fruits, so I've been running around in circles in this regard. But in any case, I'm not giving up, and at least I haven't been eating anything unhealthy. I've also got some intolerances, went to a doc for a blood test to find them out for real, though the signs my body is sending are pretty clear already osit.

Hi Puzzle,

We often crave the foods to which we are intolerant, which makes it even more difficult to stop eating them :(. I have a suggestion which might work or not. Try stocking your kitchen with something that you can eat in similar situations to when you eat things that you are allergic to. If for example you usually eat apples as a snack, find something that you can also use as a snack, or if you add them to your main meals, find something that you can add to your main meals as well. The substitute food should, ideally, be something that you really like.

I find that having at hand healthy food that I like can be very helpful in helping me not crave the ones my body doesn't agree with.
I also find that my sense of taste is quite flexible, in that a food that was previously not in my top list, became a lot more appealing with regular consumption. The point being that if you start substituting those foods for others that you also like, you might start finding the new foods as appealing, or even more appealing then the previous ones.
Not sure whether this helps, but here it goes just in case.

Keit said:
What was interesting to notice is, how hard it is for my body (and according to her, my left side in particular) to let go. After she mentioned it during the first session, I paid attention and felt how certain parts wouldn't simply relax even if all the external conditions supported it. My left pinky finger, for example, would stay almost straight when the rest of the hand would lie in a relaxed way, and even after consciously trying to relax it. Shoulders, again, particularly the left one, keep going up, etc.

Letting go seem to be the main theme and lesson to deal with.

Hi Keit,

From an holistic point of view, the left side of your body is connected with your feminine side, and to an ability to receive. Would this be at all connected with your life at present?

What I also found interesting is that you mentioned your difficulty in letting go, and you mentioned that your pinky finger just wouldn't relax. In Chinese medicine the heart meridians happen to finish exactly on the pinky finger of each hand. At a first glance, an inability to let go connected with some blockage concerning the heart seems to make sense, but I could be purely speculating here.

Also, here's Louise Hay's take on the little finger:

Louise Hay said:
Little finger: Represents the family and pretending

In the light of your recent thread in the swamp, perhaps your body is giving you signs of what is going on inside?
 
RedFox said:
For those having trouble with breathing, I think the best approach is going to be go with what is most comfortable. You may find after a few weeks/months of breathing in/out through the nose that it then becomes easier to breath in through the nose and out through the mouth.
When you start out it is quite important I think to go with the in through the nose, out through the mouth breathing in the POTS section.....but as you've all been doing it some time now (over a year), perhaps just let it flow a little?

I think it's REALLY important to remember that the whole reason for breathing in through the nose and out through the mouth is because of the effect it has on synchronizing the hemispheres of the brain. Redfox, when you say, 'let it flow a little' do you mean not breathing in through the nose and out through the mouth?
 
anart said:
RedFox said:
For those having trouble with breathing, I think the best approach is going to be go with what is most comfortable. You may find after a few weeks/months of breathing in/out through the nose that it then becomes easier to breath in through the nose and out through the mouth.
When you start out it is quite important I think to go with the in through the nose, out through the mouth breathing in the POTS section.....but as you've all been doing it some time now (over a year), perhaps just let it flow a little?

I think it's REALLY important to remember that the whole reason for breathing in through the nose and out through the mouth is because of the effect it has on synchronizing the hemispheres of the brain. Redfox, when you say, 'let it flow a little' do you mean not breathing in through the nose and out through the mouth?

I agree with anart. I remember having a discussion on the forum about this "nose business" some time ago. I'm not too proud of my posts from back then. Reading them again I see clearly how I had a very strong "being right" program running there, sorry! :-[

Anyways, I thought I'll quote some of Laura's answers here, just as a reminder:

Laura said:
Aragorn said:
I tried the EE version of round breathing (in through the nose) last night and it felt quite similar [as in breathing in through the mouth]. I did sense the upper parts of the body becoming more effected. When I do the inhale through the mouth it feels more in the solar plexus.

Exactly. In Beatha breathing, the "energetic" part of "bioenergetic" is moved upward to synchronize the two halves of the brain instead of JUST affecting the emotions locked in the tissues. It enhances the process in a significant way.

That trick of breathing in through the nose and out through the mouth that I was taught when I took my hypnosis training has been used effectively for many people over the years. When I began my own meditation program back in 1985, I used it myself with extremely beneficial and rapid results. Of course, I didn't know that I had "stumbled upon" an ancient system as the Cs say I did, I just knew that it really worked and worked well. Of course, when you finally move into the deeper meditative states, your body takes over and breathes however it wants to, but the point is to GET TO those states as efficiently as possible. Breathing in through the nose and out through the mouth gives "round breathing" an all new distinction: it really is going "around and around" in your pharyngeal passage in addition to breathing in until you breathe out. So, you could say that it is "double round breathing." AND "bioenergetic" on a different plane.

Laura said:
There is a REASON for breathing in through the nose and out through the mouth in all instances except where it is very uncomfortable for some reason, in which case you should go for comfort. The reason is that there are nerve endings at the top of the pharyngeal passage that, if you stroke them with air going in the same direction all the time, synchronize both halves of the brain. If you then breath OUT and the air passes over these nerve endings, it disrupts the synchrony.

Now, I can't point to a paper anywhere to prove this point, I heard it in a lecture by a teacher of hypnosis many years ago and this has always been the key to my meditations and hypnosis techniques. Perhaps that is why the Cs said the following:

Cs session said:
A: It is not just "waves" beamed by such things as HAARP or microwaves, it is also a quickening of the cosmos. Those who are not integrated will disintegrate at an even faster rate than ever.

Q: (L) Are there any kinds of negative spirits or attachments involved here?

A: Not necessary when the personality is so fragmented.

Q: (L) Alright then. Is there anything that we could do?

A: Perhaps if you could share the technique that you used to achieve emotional cleansing, a lot of people would benefit including the two individuals in question.

Q: (L) What technique is that?

A: Remember an entire night of cleansing tears?!

Q: (L) Yeah. Well, that was just a meditation technique I developed. I would breathe a certain way and repeat certain things in my mind as I breathed, and I did it every night. Strange things started happening.

A: Strange indeed! You stumbled instinctively on an ancient method that is unsurpassed in its efficacy. So why not share?

Q: (Joe) Spill the beans, Laura! (L) Well I just never thought it was anything particularly special - it just worked for me! (Allen) Should we make a video on it, and teach it? (L) Well, I mean how does something like that compare to this Art of Living Kriya thing?

A: AoL is for beginners and robots!

Q: (laughter) (L) Well then why were you so enthusiastic when Craig proposed teaching us? I mean, he asked if he should teach us, and you said yes with seven exclamation points!

A: Got you to do it and jump started your thinking didn't we?!

Q: (L) So the point wasn't that this method was "the best" or the only one or so great. It was to draw our attention to the idea of breathing, or control of breath, as a means of effecting emotional healing. Is that it?

A: Absolutely!X7

Q: (laughter) (L) Shorthand. Um...

A: Remember that your method employed a powerful "seed".

Q: (DD) Seed? (L) Yeah, that's a reference to meditating with or without seed. (Joe) What was the seed? (L) Phrases that I used in my mind. (Allen) Were those phrases particular to you though, like something that someone has to come up with for themselves? (L) Well, I would say that... I dunno, were those phrases particular for me?

A: They were super powerful!

I would say that the unique things about our program are the nose/mouth breathing alternation and the meditation prayer. I would suggest that, based on the testimony in this thread, it works pretty well, yes?
 
Thank you Aragorn for bringing these quotes up. The breathing in through the nose and out through the mouth is a very important aspect to this system, at least this is how I see it. Yes, it is not easy, but if we always do what is easy, we will never start the Work. If you only do what is easy or comfortable, you are letting the machine rule you instead of you being in control of the machine. As long as your body is comfortable, you only have to concentrate on the breathing.

It took me a while to get used to breathing this way, but now, even when I'm exhausted and listen to the POTS while in bead, I have no problem breathing in through the nose and out through the mouth until I either zone out of fall asleep. When I come back, I find I am breathing in and out through the mouth. If the meditation is still ongoing, I go back to in through the nose and out through the mouth. I keep my mouth slightly open while lying down and do the breathing that way. It's very comfortable, for me anyway. I don't even have to move my tongue. :)

fwiw
 
Yesterday I was doing the POTS before sleeping and I zoned out/fell asleep but I received a big bone snapping slap on my head that brought me back. I thought I had hurt myself but no so that was weird, I thought I would mention it.
 
Nienns Eluch said:
It took me a while to get used to breathing this way, but now, even when I'm exhausted and listen to the POTS while in bead, I have no problem breathing in through the nose and out through the mouth until I either zone out of fall asleep. When I come back, I find I am breathing in and out through the mouth. If the meditation is still ongoing, I go back to in through the nose and out through the mouth. I keep my mouth slightly open while lying down and do the breathing that way. It's very comfortable, for me anyway. I don't even have to move my tongue. Smiley

fwiw

That's how I experience it too. :)
 
Gertrudes said:
Hi Puzzle,

We often crave the foods to which we are intolerant, which makes it even more difficult to stop eating them . I have a suggestion which might work or not. Try stocking your kitchen with something that you can eat in similar situations to when you eat things that you are allergic to. If for example you usually eat apples as a snack, find something that you can also use as a snack, or if you add them to your main meals, find something that you can add to your main meals as well. The substitute food should, ideally, be something that you really like.

I find that having at hand healthy food that I like can be very helpful in helping me not crave the ones my body doesn't agree with.
I also find that my sense of taste is quite flexible, in that a food that was previously not in my top list, became a lot more appealing with regular consumption. The point being that if you start substituting those foods for others that you also like, you might start finding the new foods as appealing, or even more appealing then the previous ones.
Not sure whether this helps, but here it goes just in case.


Hi Gertrudes and thanks a lot for your suggestion. I'll be giving it a go.
I think my problem lies in temptation: I'm working in an organic supermarket and those two items (apples & sunflower seeds) are the only left overs I need to stop with, but I see them every day and it's a quick move to simply buy them :/. Unfortunately my body doesn't seem to tolerate buckwheat. Every time I eat it, I feel like I'm drugged up. :(
And I've also found that my sense of taste is flexible and how I could adapt to all the other diet changes pretty easily. Anyhow, thanks again, I'll see what other 'snack food' I can stock myself up with as a substitute.
 
Puzzle said:
Hi Gertrudes and thanks a lot for your suggestion. I'll be giving it a go.
I think my problem lies in temptation: I'm working in an organic supermarket and those two items (apples & sunflower seeds) are the only left overs I need to stop with, but I see them every day and it's a quick move to simply buy them :/. [...]
And I've also found that my sense of taste is flexible and how I could adapt to all the other diet changes pretty easily. Anyhow, thanks again, I'll see what other 'snack food' I can stock myself up with as a substitute.

What helps me by cravings is: using fat, that means the fat that comes from meat and you can roast also the meat with sunflower seats in butter. It's much better than chips. :)


Puzzle said:
Unfortunately my body doesn't seem to tolerate buckwheat. Every time I eat it, I feel like I'm drugged up.

Had you a look in the ultra simple diet topic maybe you can't tolerate lectins?

for example here: celiac iceberg and the updated ultra simple diet

Maybe give it a try, to soak the batter of buckwheat over night and use it the following morning, so far it helps me.
 
What I'm wondering over longer time now, how can I use the prayer if I like to pray for someone? Maybe there are different approaches to it, for example imagining the forum avatar of someone while repeating the phrases?
 
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