The Living Force
solarmind said:Laura said:solarmind said:Dear Chu
1. about some split at some Croatian group, i heard about that from few people, and as well as when i was visiting your place this winter, that few years ago there was attempt to make stronger community in Croatia, but i don't remember, and i don't know was that a group of members of FOTCM or some non formal group of people from Croatia who follow forum teachings. Maybe there was more groups who splited, i have no idea.
Actually, what you have written is not entirely true. You learned nothing about "few years ago there was an attempt to make stronger community in Croatia" here at all. What was indicated to you, indirectly, was that, yes, there are members in Croatia and perhaps you could eventually meet with them by following the normal procedures. What you then did was attempt to search them out on FB and contact them privately, though unsuccessfully. Then, you found the website of "matrixworld" and contacted them, apparently. It was from there that you learned about a "split".
solarmind said:2. "We" - refer to general group of Croatian citizens who already follow teachings from the Forum.
solarmind said:3. Meeting - this what i talked about was and still is just my idea if there is interest for us in Croatia and region, to meet in person, i offered my self to work on it, as i can put my effort in that part to help to bring it on within some of the educational events i am organizing this year.
You are neither prepared nor qualified to lead anything based on your activity thus far.
ADDED: I went back and checked the records and found that while you were here, immediately AFTER I informed you that, yes, we have Croatian members but that I would NOT put you in touch with them unless and until you were a member in good standing of FOTCM, you went over to the Lodge, where you were our guest, and went online, searched my FB friends list for any Croatian friends, and sent them messages on FB saying:
"bok ... upravo sam danas doznala od Laure i ekipe da ima i hr sott ... ... good work!
ja sam tu kod njih ovaj vikend.. volila bi da se upoznamo
"Hi ... I've just found out from Laura and crew that there is CroSOTT also ... ... good work!
I'm here at their place this weekend.. I would like us to meet
Now, that's a pretty clear manipulation in our book: to act deliberately contrary to what I had just said was the way we do things (which exists for a reason), to do it covertly, WHILE A GUEST IN OUR HOUSE, and to suggestively play on the fact that you WERE a guest here to attempt to induce responses from Croatian members.
Even though your behavior was a clear abuse of our hospitality, we allowed that it MIGHT be just enthusiasm even if that does not excuse the deceptive nature of your actions.
I really can't believe that after I said plainly and clearly that NO, I will NOT introduce you to the Croatian group nor will I give you the names of any of them... that you wrote such a slimy, name-dropping message.
And as you know, but you maight forget, after you said there is already a group in Croatia, i told you the same day that i just contacted Hr editor. And i told you about possibility to help to organize something like that, and as we talked you said that it is something i have to get in touch with Croatian comunity related to SOTT and forum. And i am not tending to be any kind of leader or anything, just offered naively myself to help to spread your work and ideas not bymyslef, but by those who understand it, so not to present or lead them, just to be of help for you. And yes i did came just out of enthusiasm, and i contacted you before and you invited me to stay with you if i want.
But as you said i might not be aware of myself, and probably your understanding of me is much more accurate then mine, if that is what you want to say. But non of what you worte wasn't my intention at all. And i don't know how i abused your hospitality? :(
And you assuming that i contacted Croatian members privately and that i went to do search for them though FB after i visit you. Can you prove that, how many private contacts i did? ? As much as i know, I didn't contact anyone "privately" apart from Hr SOTT editor, that time when i found out that there is hr SOTT page, when i was at your place, and recently i also contacted them with one message though FB for the reason i explained before. I understood that SOTT is a more open platfrom for people who maight not be niterested in more esoteric work but in general to more trutful and objective world news.
Matrixworld i found much before i meet you, and while talking with you guys about Croatina people related to this, than i mentioned there is a online magazine dealing with similar stuff as SOTT. When i discovered Matrixworld, i contacted Ljubca to ask her if she knows about SOTT and Cass experiment, and she told me that they had split with you after this board experiment. I told you also about that, and than i learned a bit more on that part form you too ...
When you contact me in late 2014. you wanted to be editor in MW with full freedom of writing your own texts, I explained to you that it is better to start with translations of smaller texts and after a while when we know each other to begin with author texts, we receive you in our group and welcomed you as anyone, you insisted in private conversations and messages, and I did not like that since all the work is done in the group of editors for everybody to see and to have open communication, instead of writing or translating texts readers asked about, you insisted on giving your own proposals and you wanted to organise MW according to your own wishes.
Like with writing about this: http://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/
That is the reason I asked you first to keep everything in the group, and second to calm down with your own proposals because there are lot of them and we need to check every data in them. Until yesterday I did not know who is solarmind, but than, after reading your posts in this thread I managed to see the patterns of communication in MW group and here.
I guess my plea for not sending me private messages was not enough because than you inserted Laura's name like that is what she think is right and that we should do it. I admire Laura's work greatly but in the way you gave us impression you are Laura's spokewoman, and you want us to know it. You did not show any will to cooperate on equal terms and all together you were in MW editors group up to 01.04.2015 without any assistance to our work, and that is OK since everything is on voluntary bases, but I have impression here it is a private matter with me or MW and not direct involving in assisting me in eventually finding out and recognizing all the negative things I was thinking before during and after the experiment, and that is subject of this thread.
I am sorry to make spam with this post in this thread about spirit board experiment but since solarmind is so concentrated with MW an me we should clear it up.
In first picture you can see my plea to solarmind to ask whatever she want to know in side the group so the other editors can see it and eventually interact about it, she did not answer to that call and didn't care.
In the second picture you can see my final plea for solarmind not to bombard group with her proposals, when she found out we are not following her wishes she let us know that is Laura's opinion, like Laura can not express herself. Than she stopped to talk to us and she did not want to give us any more feedback.
If any of the moderators of the forum or admins would like to check my FB account and MW editor group I will be gladly to provide my personal data so you could log in in my personal account. Once more sorry for making spam in this thread.
It was about this proposal: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/01/07/why-the-governments-new-dietary-guidelines-could-be-a-nightmare-for-the-meat-industry/
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