Experiment with the spirit board -lies coming through it & how to recognize them

[Lilou]

The real story is that we conducted this "experiment" on our own, without networking as written in initial post, and later informed Laura and the Chateau crew about it, when they gave as advice to share everything out in the public as written in Laura's mail to me: "You need to bring this up on the forum and publish these sessions there for analysis."

So the channeling experiment was brought to Laura's attention "after the fact". And when you did inform the chateau of the experiment, you were disappointed by the reaction? It was written quite plainly, that the chateau wanted nothing to do with this experiment or those conducting it.

I would expect Laura to advise you to share all that happened here on the forum for feedback. But I am quite stunned that you posted on facebook and your matrix site, before the discussion here. And I am further shocked that it has not been removed - especially since it is clear that Laura does not wish to be associated with this experiment. I would take Laura's quote very seriously!!

[quote author=Laura]
I have enough on my plate right now that I don't need to be dealing with this kind of thing and having this nonsense associated with me. My god! Maybe you need to have the final sentence Joe wrote conveyed to you in a more formal way, like from our lawyer?"
[/quote]

We can only hope that something more nefarious (other than bruised egos) does not transpire from this.

 

[Human]

The real story is that we conducted this "experiment" on our own, without networking as written in initial post, and later informed Laura and the Chateau crew about it, when they gave as advice to share everything out in the public as written in Laura's mail to me:

So the channeling experiment was brought to Laura's attention "after the fact". And when you did inform the chateau of the experiment, you were disappointed by the reaction? It was written quite plainly, that the chateau wanted nothing to do with this experiment or those conducting it.

I would expect Laura to advise you to share all that happened here on the forum for feedback. But I am quite stunned that you posted on facebook and your matrix site, before the discussion here. And I am further shocked that it has not been removed - especially since it is clear that Laura does not wish to be associated with this experiment. I would take Laura's quote very seriously!!

I have enough on my plate right now that I don't need to be dealing with this kind of thing and having this nonsense associated with me. My god! Maybe you need to have the final sentence Joe wrote conveyed to you in a more formal way, like from our lawyer?"

We are really sorry if we misunderstood your last mail to me:

> All in all, we understand your reaction, and accept whatever
> punishment you find appropriate, whether it is evoking my EE
> certification, our suspension from forum or even total ban from it
> and exclusion from FOTCM.

Write the story on the forum and post the translated transcripts of your experiment there.

L

If you want us to we will erase everything from our FB account and from MW website because we really understood it to come out in the public with our story and transcripts as you have said. We are really sorry for any distress that we created to you and others around you.

edit: fix the quotation box

If the Elders want to we'll do it ASAP.

 

[truth seeker]

Who decided to make the board? How was that decision made? It may be helpful if each person answers the question for themselves in order to obtain a fuller picture.

The decision was a spontaneous one. Zo choose the color, I cut the letter, signs and numbers from printed paper, Ljubica made the drawings and the background. It wasn't like someone said "Ok, let's make the board now. You do this, you do that, ...", we just started spontaneously and did it all together.

Does Ljubica remember this differently? Anything that you may have said to initiate it?

 

[Lilou]

[quote author=Sasa]
As said, we thought we had to put our mistakes out in the public.
[/quote]

Discussing your mistakes here on the forum, in no way implies presenting it on facebook or the matrix website!

[quote author=Sasa]
If the Elders want to we'll do it ASAP.
[/quote]

Based on what has already been said here in this thread, I'm surprised you have not already done so!

 

[Laura]

If you want us to we will erase everything from our FB account and from MW website because we really understood it to come out in the public with our story and transcripts as you have said. We are really sorry for any distress that we created to you and others around you.

If the Elders want to we'll do it ASAP.

I understand that you are feeling distressed right now, Sasa, but that is more or less what we have been asking since last night.

I realize, of course, that this puts me under some additional pressure to really talk about these things in a more explanatory and demonstrative way before anybody gets seriously hurt. I will put some energy into it.

What is interesting is the way you all are describing it. It is as though some influence came on you. It seems to have started with talking about Lethbridge and his experiments. Well, certainly, Lethbridge is interesting and what he did has a number of implications. Why didn't you begin to discuss it here instead of amongst yourselves where a closed feedback loop can so easily develop?

Experimenting with different lengths and types of pendulums can be relatively harmless, so I'm not understanding how the leap was made to "let's make a spirit board and contact other entities!"

Ya'll really need to think back about this because it may be important to identify the source and type of energy acting here. Sometimes it is not so obvious.

On another note: I know that many people who visit here wish they could attend a session. However, ya'll should know by now that 1) sessions take place according to when they naturally fit into my energy flow and the needs of the moment; 2) I'm very careful who attends sessions after so many experiences with different types of energies. Most often, it is the first reason: if we have guests, I'm usually too tired in general!

 

[Juba]

Who decided to make the board? How was that decision made? It may be helpful if each person answers the question for themselves in order to obtain a fuller picture.

The decision was a spontaneous one. Zo choose the color, I cut the letter, signs and numbers from printed paper, Ljubica made the drawings and the background. It wasn't like someone said "Ok, let's make the board now. You do this, you do that, ...", we just started spontaneously and did it all together.

Does Ljubica remember this differently? Anything that you may have said to initiate it?

Actually that what Saša said was the truth, I'm still talking with my hubby about it, I don't remember anything special that might turn to one person in particular, right now I'm trying to recall how the talk about TC Ledbridge went precisely, but since we talked about many other things while talked about the board it's hard to recollect word by word who said what.

 

[François]

Right.

I am quite new in this forum, and these last days I read a lot of the messages posted on many topics.

When I read first messages within this topic, the title is clear (lie...mistake), but at a moment I was confused, I thought, what, there are 'extra' sessions with 'extra' participants..., and because there is not new 2011 C's session from one month, I thought I missed something here...

I pay attention to all what I read (I hope I always do that), so that all is clear, clean quickly in my mind...

 

[Juba]

If you want us to we will erase everything from our FB account and from MW website because we really understood it to come out in the public with our story and transcripts as you have said. We are really sorry for any distress that we created to you and others around you.

If the Elders want to we'll do it ASAP.

I understand that you are feeling distressed right now, Sasa, but that is more or less what we have been asking since last night.

Done. Removed from MW and from FB account. Thank you.

Edited to fix the quotes

 

[Joe]

This was one of the things that we got hooked on too.

More evidence that you were simply 'channeling' your own prejudices.

Q: Am I special?
A: yes
Q: Are bad things going to happen on the planet
A: Yes
Q: Is the place where we are safe from these bad things?
A: Yes
Q: Is 4D STS controlling our car
A: Yes
Q: Should I hide under the bed
A: Yes

 

[Joe]

If the Elders want to we'll do it ASAP.

Ya know, it's funny (in a very worrying kind of way) that you expect to get an answer to that after all we have already said. Has your thinking deteriorated so much that you can't see what you should do in this situation? Or maybe you are just too attached to your little experiment and don't really believe anything we have said here.

 

[Possibility of Being]

As said, we thought we had to put our mistakes out in the public.

...FORUM. Period. The message from Laura was totally clear and could not have been clearer. I'm serious. This alone should give you a lot of food for thought about accuracy of your reading instrument and your mental abilities during these last days.

The decision was a spontaneous one. Zo choose the color, I cut the letter, signs and numbers from printed paper, Ljubica made the drawings and the background. It wasn't like someone said "Ok, let's make the board now. You do this, you do that, ...", we just started spontaneously and did it all together.

Sorry, it doesn't make any sense. Before choosing a color a decision had to be made of making a board, and prior to this another one of needing a board. And frankly, the way both of you take part in this discussion gives me a very strong impression of a negative loop going on over there and lack of sincere will on your part to understand what all the 'affair' is really about.

If I were you i would pack immediately and run like a wind back home. Then after you have faced yourself come and talk with us. You are all clearly under spell of very toxic dynamic.

Perhaps a much better idea is that they stay together and enjoy their ride after removing ALL our material from the matrix site?

 

[Human]

I think that Laura said to us to put it out so everybody and network could see what we did and our mistakes.
If we need to do anything more, we'll gladly do it.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

The decision was a spontaneous one. Zo choose the color, I cut the letter, signs and numbers from printed paper, Ljubica made the drawings and the background. It wasn't like someone said "Ok, let's make the board now. You do this, you do that, ...", we just started spontaneously and did it all together.

Sorry, it doesn't make any sense. Before choosing a color a decision had to be made of making a board, and prior to this another one of needing a board. And frankly, the way both of you take part in this discussion gives me a very strong impression of a negative loop going on over there and lack of sincere will on your part to understand what all the 'affair' is really about.

No, it does not make sense, and this whole exchange is diving deeper into absurdity by the minute. Since the answers provided to a very simple question seem to me to fall into one of two categories: 1) deliberate obfuscation and deflection or 2) pudding brain logic, let me try to explain just WHY it is so absurd.

The question was NOT "Was the decision mutual?" The question was who first brought it up. Example: I want to buy a water filter. I ask my roommates if they agree that it's a good idea. They agree. The final decision is mutual. I brought it up. The fact that it was mutual does NOT mean I didn't have the idea in the first place?

What is so hard with this question?? Obviously SOMEONE had to first say, "Hey, why don't we try it out" or "Let's make a board" or "Let's have a session on Friday". To imply that you all simultaneously had the same idea and vocalized it at the exact same time is absurd. Sure, you may have all been thinking it, but SOMEONE had to be the first to say something and thus put the whole thing in motion. And if all three of you honestly can't remember who started it, that is not cool, and NOT vigilance.

 

[Juba]

Perhaps a much better idea is that they stay together and enjoy their ride after removing ALL our material from the matrix site?

If that is your decision we'll remove all material, links and translations from MW related to Laura's work, Sott, EE, DCM and others.

 

[Cosmos]

one thing that is clear to me after studying this forum and Laura's work for over a year now is that I have much work to do on the self.
one of the most importand things I could understand through this network.
it is pretty clear to me that I'm not a clean machine at all .
I wouldn't even think about doing an experiment with a spirit board becouse I know that I'm not ready to do anything of this kind.

what Ljubica, Zo and Saša have done depicts again how destructive and fruitless things can get when members of the forum meet in privat,
without enough knowlege and awareness.

.....we talked about many things: FOTCM house in Lovište, books, translations and MW web page, paleo diet and recipes, TC Lethbridge and dowsing and many more things...

what FOCTM house ?