Experiment with the spirit board -lies coming through it & how to recognize them

[kenlee]

The decision was a spontaneous one. Zo choose the color, I cut the letter, signs and numbers from printed paper, Ljubica made the drawings and the background. It wasn't like someone said "Ok, let's make the board now. You do this, you do that, ...", we just started spontaneously and did it all together.

Clearly then, or so it seems to me that some 'force' may very well have wanted you all to 'channel' and this (seemingly) spontaneous reaction that you all felt where one of you must have first thought and brought up the fact that this was a 'good idea,' without properly networking as well as critically questioning yourselves as to what your motivations were, could very possibly open a door to whatever power or entity that wanted this connection to be made and established, so that it can think for you using your minds as it's 'tool' and this entity could even be itself a tool for an even bigger entity.

So your critical minds could have been neutralized via your sudden exuberance regarding how great an idea it was to 'channel' without further critical questioning as to the reason you were doing so (apart from channeling for it's own sake) and what the common sense ramifications could or would most likely be.

Actually I don't know why anyone would really want to 'channel' when you have a totally awesome website here and you could literally spend years and years going over this material. I mean, considering all the information here, who would even have time to 'channel' let alone even be motivated to do so? Once your critical faculties are passive and asleep then 'something' is going to recognize this and see this as an opportunity to do the thinking for you and all the while you'll be thinking that it's you who is doing the thinking and initiating the thought process.

 

[Mrs.Tigersoap]

Sasa, you are an EE teacher. I don't mean to single you out, but you are the only teacher in this group of 'channelers'. Apparently, you are a teacher who attracts a lot of participants, too. In your first class, you had more students than people who have been teaching EE for a year. To me this was an inspiration. So saying that this thread has been a shock is an understatement. So, what happened in the meantime to make you have so little judgment that you would caution (and participate) in something like this?

Or is the fact that you are a successful EE teacher the reason for all this? Did you think you were suddenly 'more' than a simple forum member?

And for the moment, it just seems that you all thought this was a good idea, then, probably fearing the reaction of the forum/chateau, you decided to come clean and presenting it as 'a bad idea' (maybe all the while hoping people would in fact see it as great) not to reproduce. It has been said about a million times here, in Laura's books, in Laura's videos to NEVER undertake experiments such as these without some solid background. What solid background do you guys have?

Sasa, I really don't know you and don't want to judge you. From everyone's surprise and disbelief, I take that you must be a nice person who means well. But this is such a bizarre turn of event that one has to wonder who/what really is behind this.

 

[ana]

As said, we thought we had to put our mistakes out in the public.

...FORUM. Period. The message from Laura was totally clear and could not have been clearer. I'm serious. This alone should give you a lot of food for thought about accuracy of your reading instrument and your mental abilities during these last days.

I'm not sure your intention was to put your mistakes out in the public Saša:

LJ: All right guys, we’re going to work on transcript of this session, and going to publish it ... S: And going public ... LJ: Yes, and going public. Thank you, we love you. Z: Goodbye. S: Kisses.
A: Goodbye. End.

And so it has been published, eh?

Me thinks you were waiting for some recognition outside the forum and that's why you choose to publish it out there instead of just here.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

I think that Laura said to us to put it out so everybody and network could see what we did and our mistakes.
If we need to do anything more, we'll gladly do it.

Have you not read any of the responses given to you, Sasa?? To refresh your memory:

Write the story on the forum and post the translated transcripts of your experiment there.

What part of "forum" implies "everybody" (i.e. facebook and your own website)? Can you honestly not see that you completely misread Laura's explicit request and the intention behind it? Your self-importance and unwillingness or inability to see here is staggering and troubling. Instead of simply admitting you were totally blind, self-involved, and completely misread Laura's request, you stubbornly hang on to your self-justification ("I only did what Laura requested of me; it's not MY fault", in effect). So to ask again, and this is a genuine question, not rhetorical, can you HONESTLY not see how you misinterpreted both the literal meaning of Laura's request and its line of force?

 

[Z...]

I think that Laura said to us to put it out so everybody and network could see what we did and our mistakes.
If we need to do anything more, we'll gladly do it.

Sasa please, this is painful for me to watch.
Go for a walk alone, do some pipe breathing and then re read slowly Joe's and Laura's replies.

 

[Gawan]

The decision was a spontaneous one. Zo choose the color, I cut the letter, signs and numbers from printed paper, Ljubica made the drawings and the background. It wasn't like someone said "Ok, let's make the board now. You do this, you do that, ...", we just started spontaneously and did it all together.

Sorry, it doesn't make any sense. Before choosing a color a decision had to be made of making a board, and prior to this another one of needing a board. And frankly, the way both of you take part in this discussion gives me a very strong impression of a negative loop going on over there and lack of sincere will on your part to understand what all the 'affair' is really about.

I concur, it does indeed make no sense, there is time needed and some effort to create something like it. How long did it take, from the fist idea, over Lethbridge till the sessions where held, as RedFox already asked? And did it never ever occur, what you are planning to do is dangerous, no doubt at all? Cause it is mentioned on the forum many, many times by Laura, written in the books, that knowledge protects and not blindly re-acting? Well, both of you worked also very hard on translating many articles for matrix-world… for what then?

Sasa, I really don't know you and don't want to judge you. From everyone's surprise and disbelief, I take that you must be a nice person who means well. But this is such a bizarre turn of event that one has to wonder who/what really is behind this.

I concur here as well, this is what really struck me and the whole story is really bizarre.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

I'm not sure your intention was to put your mistakes out in the public Saša:

LJ: All right guys, we’re going to work on transcript of this session, and going to publish it ... S: And going public ... LJ: Yes, and going public. Thank you, we love you. Z: Goodbye. S: Kisses.
A: Goodbye. End.

And so it has been published, eh?

Me thinks you were waiting for some recognition outside the forum and that's why you choose to publish it out there instead of just here.

Sounds about right to me. LJ, S, and Z were already primed to "believe" they had contacted a "source" (the reference of S to the "6 Leo source" by Sasa in his email to Laura, as if the fact of a 'contact' was a given, was cringe-inducing). Then, they convince and reinforce themselves that "going public" is a good idea. Then, after Laura tells them to take it to the forum, they take that as "confirmation", twisting it based on their own preconceived notions and wishful thinking that they should "go public". Talk about self-delusion and a total lack of objectivity, skepticism, and discernment!

 

[Lilou]

Perhaps a much better idea is that they stay together and enjoy their ride after removing ALL our material from the matrix site?

If that is your decision we'll remove all material, links and translations from MW related to Laura's work, Sott, EE, DCM and others.

Removing the channeled sessions was all that was asked for. Laura has said she will be putting some energy into this, so give her time to do so! This is certainly going to be a big learning experience for all. It seems that you all (Sasa, Ljubica, Zo) have not given much thought to the dangers such an experiment can bring forth. Your attitude is very casual, when in fact, it should be dead serious!

 

[Laura]

Sasa please, this is painful for me to watch.
Go for a walk alone, do some pipe breathing and then re read slowly Joe's and Laura's replies.

Sasa, what is clear to me is that your mind is somehow being corrupted by the energies around you. We are actually witnessing something that most of us on this forum have seen way too many times: the deterioration of thinking capacities because a choice has been made to believe a lie. Now, what IS that lie? Read the following from Lobaczewski:

One phenomenon all ponerogenic groups and associations have in common is the fact that their members lose (or have already lost) the capacity to perceive pathological individuals as such, interpreting their behavior in a fascinated, heroic, or melodramatic way. The opinions, ideas, and judgments of people carrying various psychological deficits are endowed with an importance at least equal to that of outstanding individuals among normal people. The atrophy of natural critical faculties with respect to pathological individuals becomes an opening to their activities, and, at the same time, a criterion for recognizing the association in concern as ponerogenic. Let us call this the first criterion of ponerogenesis. {...}

Any human group affected by the process described herein is characterized by its increasing regression as regards natural common sense and the ability to perceive psychological reality. Someone treating this in traditional categories could consider it an instance of “turning into half-wittedness” or the growing of intellectual deficiencies and moral failings. A ponerological analysis of this process, however, indicates that pressure is applied upon the more normal part of the association by pathological factors in the person of their carriers.

 

[François]

I think this present sharing is useful and part of the knowledge to be increased for everyone, as 'Knowledge protects'.


It seems to me that Ljubica, Zo and Saša (if I am not wrong about author's names) are explaining, or are trying to explain in a positive way on what they did in a negative way, if I can say it like that for simplifying the point. That honors them, because they do not hide, I believe, what they did.

However all must be clarified in the best manner, and I know this is quite difficult 'to deal' with all our egos, more or less important they are.

If all is clearly explained, well investigated, well discussed, this is positive, as 'All is lesson'

Finally all that clarifies always more and consolidates the fine course of conduct fixed by Laura and the Team.

 

[Nienna]

Sasa please, this is painful for me to watch.
Go for a walk alone, do some pipe breathing and then re read slowly Joe's and Laura's replies.

Sasa, what is clear to me is that your mind is somehow being corrupted by the energies around you. We are actually witnessing something that most of us on this forum have seen way too many times: the deterioration of thinking capacities because a choice has been made to believe a lie. Now, what IS that lie? Read the following from Lobaczewski:

One phenomenon all ponerogenic groups and associations have in common is the fact that their members lose (or have already lost) the capacity to perceive pathological individuals as such, interpreting their behavior in a fascinated, heroic, or melodramatic way. The opinions, ideas, and judgments of people carrying various psychological deficits are endowed with an importance at least equal to that of outstanding individuals among normal people. The atrophy of natural critical faculties with respect to pathological individuals becomes an opening to their activities, and, at the same time, a criterion for recognizing the association in concern as ponerogenic. Let us call this the first criterion of ponerogenesis. {...}

Any human group affected by the process described herein is characterized by its increasing regression as regards natural common sense and the ability to perceive psychological reality. Someone treating this in traditional categories could consider it an instance of “turning into half-wittedness” or the growing of intellectual deficiencies and moral failings. A ponerological analysis of this process, however, indicates that pressure is applied upon the more normal part of the association by pathological factors in the person of their carriers.

This really does sound like what is going on, doesn't it?

 

[Possibility of Being]

Write the story on the forum and post the translated transcripts of your experiment there.

I think that Laura said to us to put it out so everybody and network could see what we did and our mistakes.
If we need to do anything more, we'll gladly do it.

Where is the story?
So far all we have is pure avoidance and total amnesia.

If that is your decision we'll remove all material, links and translations from MW related to Laura's work, Sott, EE, DCM and others.

Hello, is there anybody out there? Who we? Could you please write in singular?

And no, there is no such decision made on our part, which should be clear and obvious. So what did try to convey, Ljubica?

 

[Scottie]

What is so hard with this question?? Obviously SOMEONE had to first say, "Hey, why don't we try it out" or "Let's make a board" or "Let's have a session on Friday". To imply that you all simultaneously had the same idea and vocalized it at the exact same time is absurd. Sure, you may have all been thinking it, but SOMEONE had to be the first to say something and thus put the whole thing in motion. And if all three of you honestly can't remember who started it, that is not cool, and NOT vigilance.

Unless we know what actually happened, we cannot help.

The key is to know how things started, and how they progressed. Just because 1 person had the idea doesn't mean they will be immediately crucified. That's not the point at all.

The point is that if we don't know exactly what happened, we cannot see the finer energies and nuances of the situation that will allow us, collectively, to figure out what the heck is going on - and to take appropriate action to "fix" the situation.

Remember, if you are dealing with other-worldy energies or entities - or even a plain vanilla psychopath - you are SERIOUSLY SCREWED without the experience of the network.

And THAT is why we need details.

 

[andi]

I think it is strikingly obvious the ALL this forum members don't actually have something against you but are trying to point to you the very obvious - for witch you have asked.
Your responses are showing quite the opposite, witch shows that you were actually expecting to receive something you wanted as confirmation.
You are in denial of what it has been said until now, and that is quite clear from where I seat.

Why not start to write, all of you involved, in as much detail as possible the whole thing and how you came to do this and how it makes you fell etc. Write it individually and let's combine them here where is can be assembled. (that if, of course, if you really interested in knowing and getting help as you said)

Let's play all cards on the table, shall we!

 

[Cyre2067]

I'm mind-blown anyone would ever think channeling was a good idea... The point has been driven home over and over again, you need experience and knowledge in several different areas before undertaking such a venture - and even then - why wouldn't you discuss this on the forum first?

I'm also a little confused that no one seemingly recalls who's idea it was. I could understand reluctance and fear, but not with this group. No one is out to judge, but without an accurate understanding of what actually occurred it cannot be fixed.

To say that I'm shocked is an understatement.