Experiment with the spirit board -lies coming through it & how to recognize them

[Z...]

Write the story on the forum and post the translated transcripts of your experiment there.

Well as far as I can see this certainly doesn't read as - advertise on Matrix website and face book. The fact that you are failing to see this is deeply worrying.

 

[Z...]

Sasha, would it be possible that you speak for yourself and not in plural. If ljubica has something to say she can certainly do it for herself.

 

[Juba]

It was our mutual idea, no one encouraged it in any special way and no one is encouraging it now. Like written in initial post of this thread all we wanted, and were said to do, was to show what kind of mistake we did and to show to people what not to do.
Like Herr Eisenheim said in his posts, we talked about this idea when we were all together during our FOTCM gathering in June. After studying

Exactly.
I guess what hurts the most is the thought that you went and did this thing without even bothering to check with the network or to mention it to anyone, especially after we established that none of us is ready for such thing when you first mentioned spirit board., and especially because you must be aware that your actions affect all of us.
You were said to bring what you did to the forum for examination by the network, you were not said to make yourself into some sort of channeling heroes who sacrificed for others which is the image you are now portraying all over matrix and fb. I am flabbergasted that you taking pride in the act which is nothing more then bunch of kids playing Laura and chateau.
I didn't utter my words here about possession lightly, but knowing you both ( cant say anything about Zo because he hasn't spoken much this time) prior to this incident, and seeing your behavior and words now - this hypothesis ranks very high as possible explanation.
Did you think it is coincidence seers were cursed since ancient times. Remember Cassandra or Medea. To even think that you two are equipped to prevail where thousands of others have faltered, and to not doubt it and check it with the network boggles my mind speaks tones about your present state of mind.

I simply cannot believe the texts on Matrix, the website which is supposed to serve as window into our material for people who cannot speak English.
I also cannot believe the interview with "psychic" from Belgrade and advert for her office or agency as she calls it is still there although we expressly made a point it doesn't belong to Matrix website and it was agreed it will be removed.

I am deeply saddened that months of hard work on Matrix website (ironically mostly by Ljubica) are now completely ruined thanks to this foolish act of ego.

You're right and I agree with you. We did not ask for permission and prior even beginning with it we should have done it. That is our biggest mistake and we are aware of it. But we could not hide our mistakes from Elders and network, we openly admit our mistakes and thank you all for constructive input, we are most grateful for that, this is the only way how we can see the full amount of our mistakes and flaws, and to learn something from them.

 

[Nienna]

Who was the initiator or the conversation where the decision was made?

If I remember correctly, one of the first times we had this kind of conversation was when Herr Eisenheim, on our FOTCM meeting in June, talked about his visit to Chateau and how he hoped that during that visit there would be a session with the Cs and how he would like to be present on that session. And then we started to talk about it. Herr Eisenheim conclusion was that we're not ready for it at that time although the idea was very attractive. The result as you have seen it was our mutual idea, as already said.

This does not answer the question that was asked. Why are you skirting around this question?

Herr Eisenheim was the one who said that you were not ready. Pointing the finger at him is not an answer. It is a deflection.

After HE said that this was not something that you all were ready to do, you did it anyway, when he was not even there. Who was the one who said something to the effect, "About that channeling thing, do you think we should try it anyway?"

 

[Z...]

Herr Eisenheim was the one who said that you were not ready. Pointing the finger at him is not an answer. It is a deflection.

After HE said that this was not something that you all were ready to do, you did it anyway, when he was not even there. Who was the one who said something to the effect, "About that channeling thing, do you think we should try it anyway?"

To be more precise Istina (which means almost 50% of our small group) clearly expressed aversion to the idea too. I was reading Keel on the airplane and I think I bored everyone with references to his books and emphasizing the idea how meddling with hyper-dimensional tricksters is almost always detrimental.

 

[ana]

It was our mutual idea, no one encouraged it in any special way and no one is encouraging it now. Like written in initial post of this thread all we wanted, and were said to do, was to show what kind of mistake we did and to show to people what not to do.
Like Herr Eisenheim said in his posts, we talked about this idea when we were all together during our FOTCM gathering in June. After studying

Exactly.
I guess what hurts the most is the thought that you went and did this thing without even bothering to check with the network or to mention it to anyone, especially after we established that none of us is ready for such thing when you first mentioned spirit board., and especially because you must be aware that your actions affect all of us.

So Saša, even if you all participated and agree at the end, were you the first to mention it, or not?

 

[Z...]

when he was not even there.

I think this is the crux of the matter. Here we are, a small group of people involved in projects which are supposed to based on pure networking at its best and this event was clearly planned secretly without involving the rest of the group, while we were communicating on daily bases.
So yes I am really interested how were seeds of this "conspiracy" planted.

 

[Human]

If I remember correctly, one of the first times we had this kind of conversation was when Herr Eisenheim, on our FOTCM meeting in June, talked about his visit to Chateau and how he hoped that during that visit there would be a session with the Cs and how he would like to be present on that session. And then we started to talk about it. Herr Eisenheim conclusion was that we're not ready for it at that time although the idea was very attractive. The result as you have seen it was our mutual idea, as already said.

Ok, so that was the starting point. Was it an attractive idea to all of you? Herr Eisenheim perhaps you can post how you remember the conversation going, and explain the idea being attractive?

I presume that at some point later after this conversation (perhaps with on Ljubica, Zo and Saša present) the subject of channelling was brought up again.
Can you (and the others) remember how the conversation went - presumably between only the three of you (Ljubica, Zo and Saša)? How was it decided between you this was a good idea?

Was it many conversations over several days/weeks/months?

What did each of you say? Perhaps each of you can add your own part of the conversation and understanding/feelings at the time?

After the gathering, we started researching into the work of T.C.Lethbridge _http://tclethbridge.blog.co.uk/

We considered using and experimenting with dowsing, but that would give only a binary results and we had slight problems with finding a suitable equipment for that. At the end we considered board again and here we are now.

Sasha, would it be possible that you speak for yourself and not in plural. If ljubica has something to say she can certainly do it for herself.

I'm momentarily on vacation in Loviste and we are discussing about our actions and mistakes we have done as I write this.

This does not answer the question that was asked. Why are you skirting around this question?

Herr Eisenheim was the one who said that you were not ready. Pointing the finger at him is not an answer. It is a deflection.

After HE said that this was not something that you all were ready to do, you did it anyway, when he was not even there. Who was the one who said something to the effect, "About that channeling thing, do you think we should try it anyway?"

To be completely honest I really don't remember. All I wrote was what I recall how the whole thing started. Together with dowsing and multiple other things, the board came up to the table many times.

 

[ana]

This does not answer the question that was asked. Why are you skirting around this question?

Herr Eisenheim was the one who said that you were not ready. Pointing the finger at him is not an answer. It is a deflection.

After HE said that this was not something that you all were ready to do, you did it anyway, when he was not even there. Who was the one who said something to the effect, "About that channeling thing, do you think we should try it anyway?"

To be completely honest I really don't remember. All I wrote was what I recall how the whole thing started. Together with dowsing and multiple other things, the board came up to the table many times.

Ljubica do you remember?

 

[truth seeker]

Who decided to make the board? How was that decision made? It may be helpful if each person answers the question for themselves in order to obtain a fuller picture.

 

[Juba]

Who was the initiator or the conversation where the decision was made?

If I remember correctly, one of the first times we had this kind of conversation was when Herr Eisenheim, on our FOTCM meeting in June, talked about his visit to Chateau and how he hoped that during that visit there would be a session with the Cs and how he would like to be present on that session. And then we started to talk about it. Herr Eisenheim conclusion was that we're not ready for it at that time although the idea was very attractive. The result as you have seen it was our mutual idea, as already said.

This does not answer the question that was asked. Why are you skirting around this question?

Herr Eisenheim was the one who said that you were not ready. Pointing the finger at him is not an answer. It is a deflection.

After HE said that this was not something that you all were ready to do, you did it anyway, when he was not even there. Who was the one who said something to the effect, "About that channeling thing, do you think we should try it anyway?"

I spoke with my hubby (sorry his knowledge of English is pretty limited so I'll wrote this part in plural for both of us), we talked about many things: FOTCM house in Lovište, books, translations and MW web page, paleo diet and recipes, TC Lethbridge and dowsing and many more things, (please forgive me I really do not remember what of many other thematics we talked about), I would be most happy to say who started with idea with the spirit board but saying one name would be a lie because I don't even remember how it went precisely, when board was not the only occupation of ours.

 

[François]

Hi,

I noted that the supposed source is '6 Leo', could be interpreted as 6D being in Leo constelllation


and we could think that is coherent, badly... because :

Q: (L) And who do we have with us tonight?

A: Porsolia

Q: (L) And where do you transmit through?

A: Cassiopaea. Moving to Leo soon.

 

[Z...]

I'm momentarily on vacation in Loviste and we are discussing about our actions and mistakes we have done as I write this.

If I were you i would pack immediately and run like a wind back home. Then after you have faced yourself come and talk with us. You are all clearly under spell of very toxic dynamic.
If I may ask is the 'psychic' also a guest there now or was during your "channeling"?

 

[Juba]

I'm momentarily on vacation in Loviste and we are discussing about our actions and mistakes we have done as I write this.

If I were you i would pack immediately and run like a wind back home. Then after you have faced yourself come and talk with us. You are all clearly under spell of very toxic dynamic.
If I may ask is the 'psychic' also a guest there now or was during your "channeling"?

No she was not part of it and no she is not now in my house, she was clearly against participation in it and she left Lovište on 29.07.2011.

 

[Human]

Who decided to make the board? How was that decision made? It may be helpful if each person answers the question for themselves in order to obtain a fuller picture.

The decision was a spontaneous one. Zo choose the color, I cut the letter, signs and numbers from printed paper, Ljubica made the drawings and the background. It wasn't like someone said "Ok, let's make the board now. You do this, you do that, ...", we just started spontaneously and did it all together.

Hi,

I noted that the supposed source is '6 Leo', could be interpreted as 6D being in Leo constelllation


and we could think that is coherent, badly... because :

Q: (L) And who do we have with us tonight?

A: Porsolia

Q: (L) And where do you transmit through?

A: Cassiopaea. Moving to Leo soon.

This was one of the things that we got hooked on too.