Explosion at fertilizer plant near Waco, Texas - Meteorite or comet fragment?

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In case you missed it. I'm not sure how to interpret this new 'development'. Some sort of damage control in the making?

http://www.sott.net/article/261721-Unexpected-twists-in-case-of-deadly-blast-at-Texas-fertilizer-plant

Unexpected twists in case of deadly blast at Texas fertilizer plant

Patrik Jonsson
Yahoo! News / Christian Science Monitor
Sat, 11 May 2013 04:47 CDT

A first responder to the huge explosion last month at a Texas fertilizer plant was arrested Friday for possessing a pipe bomb - but officials aren't linking his arrest to the deadly incident. The probe, however, is now a criminal matter, they said.

The arrest Friday of a first responder to the deadly April 17 fertilizer plant blast in West, Texas, on explosives charges, is a new wrinkle that may call into question whether the incident that killed 14 people - including 12 firefighters and paramedics - was in fact a tragic industrial accident, as most people in the area believed.

Texas authorities arrested Bryce Reed, a paramedic with West Emergency Medical Services, at 2 a.m. Friday and have since charged him with possession of a pipe bomb. Mr. Reed was among those who responded first to the fertilizer plant explosion and served for a time as incident commander at the site. He was also shown giving a taped eulogy for explosion victim Cyrus Reed at an April 25 memorial in Waco, Texas, attended by President Obama.

Police have neither confirmed nor denied that Reed's arrest is tied to the plant explosion. However, authorities said Friday that the Texas Rangers and the McLennan County Sheriff's Department have launched a new criminal probe into the incident, with Texas Department of Public Safety chief Stephen McCraw pledging that the state will "leave no stone unturned."

"Keep an eye on this story, perhaps especially on the federal involvement," writes Hot Air blogger Ed Morrissey. "Until now, no one had intimated that this might be a deliberate act."

On May 1, officials told a Texas House committee that they had interviewed 300 people and followed 160 leads during the investigation into what happened on the night of April 17. At that hearing, Assistant State Fire Marshal Kelly Kistner said the investigation should be complete by May 10 and that the chance remained that the cause would be classified as "unknown."

On Monday, investigators said they had ruled out weather and natural phenomena as causes of the blast, which happened about 20 minutes after a fire began tearing through a fertilizer and seed building on the property.

The Reed arrest and revelations of a new criminal probe raise questions about criminal mischief, even terrorism, given that the blast occurred two days after two bombs exploded near the Boston Marathon finish line, killing three people and injuring at least 260 others. In the West explosion, which registered 2.1 on the Richter scale, nearly 200 people were injured, and a nursing home, school, and dozens of houses were destroyed or damaged.

Until now, Texas lawmakers had focused chiefly on pinpointing any holes in the state's regulatory framework for small fertilizer plants that store large amounts of potentially volatile chemicals, such as anhydrous ammonia or ammonium nitrate. The latter is the substance that exploded in West and that Timothy McVeigh used to detonate a massive bomb in Oklahoma City in 1996.

The Monitor reported last week that the plant had been a frequent target of thieves, posited to be using anhydrous ammonia as part of the cooking process for homemade methamphetamine. But reports of those thefts had led to few state demands for tighter security at the plant, which lacked even a perimeter fence.

McLennan County Sheriff Parnell McNamara said Friday that residents "must have confidence that this incident has been looked at from every angle and professionally handled. They deserve nothing less."
 
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So I suppose they are going to pin this to some guy, call it terrorism and perhaps create some story around it...?
 
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_http://abcnews.go.com/US/responder-texas-explosion-plead-guilty-explosives-charge/story?id=19159425


A first responder who helped treat victims of the fertilizer plant explosion in West, Texas, last month will plead not guilty to the federal charge of possessing an explosive device, his attorney said today.

Paramedic Bryce Reed, who works with the West EMS and served as incident commander during the response to the explosion, appeared in federal court in Waco, Texas, Friday morning for alleged possession of a destructive device.

"Mr. Reed had no involvement whatsoever in the explosion at the West, Texas fertilizer plant," Reed's attorney, Jonathan Sibley said in a statement. "Mr. Reed was one of the first responders and lost friends, family, and neighbors in that disaster. Mr. Reed is heartbroken for the friends he lost and remains resolute in his desire to assist in the rebuilding of his community."
 
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Windmill knight said:
In case you missed it. I'm not sure how to interpret this new 'development'. Some sort of damage control in the making?

http://www.sott.net/article/261721-Unexpected-twists-in-case-of-deadly-blast-at-Texas-fertilizer-plant

Dawn said:
_http://abcnews.go.com/US/responder-texas-explosion-plead-guilty-explosives-charge/story?id=19159425


..."Mr. Reed was one of the first responders and lost friends, family, and neighbors in that disaster. Mr. Reed is heartbroken for the friends he lost and remains resolute in his desire to assist in the rebuilding of his community."

In the case of Mr. Reed - planting a pipe bombs to distract and then assign him the blame; indeed, "Damage Control" is possible it seems. This especially seems so now that wider questions are being asked, a counterbalance is needed by attempting to narrowing down the explanations, not to fertilizer that was not supposed to be there - no, not to a fired missile scenario or comet fragment possibility, it must be in this case to a first responder in a sleepy community trying just to save his "friends, family, and neighbors" as the new "the lone terrorist" narrative. Next, likely Facebook logs and anecdotal information will be rolled out painting him with a certain brush - case closed, all the while saying this is just one more tragedy and reasons we need to protect you, even in small towns, so get on board and move along and don't forget the DHS mantra, "See Something, Say Something".
 
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Windmill knight said:
In case you missed it. I'm not sure how to interpret this new 'development'. Some sort of damage control in the making?

http://www.sott.net/article/261721-Unexpected-twists-in-case-of-deadly-blast-at-Texas-fertilizer-plant

Later it was reported that the accused paramedic had been "let go" (that is, fired) from his job at the local ambulance service just prior to the disaster. So, if he turned up at the incident, which apparently he did, it was as a "volunteer", and in that case it would have been passing strange to designate him as "incident commander", as he reportedly claimed. He also spoke freely to evacuees and the press, but other emergency responders did not. All of these things begin to look like he wanted to become a "hero" in order to get his job back. We might also be curious about why he was fired.

I think the same report also mentioned that he was charged with possession of explosives because he recently gave some materials to another man, who turned him in to the police.
 
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griffin said:
Windmill knight said:
In case you missed it. I'm not sure how to interpret this new 'development'. Some sort of damage control in the making?

http://www.sott.net/article/261721-Unexpected-twists-in-case-of-deadly-blast-at-Texas-fertilizer-plant

Later it was reported that the accused paramedic had been "let go" (that is, fired) from his job at the local ambulance service just prior to the disaster. So, if he turned up at the incident, which apparently he did, it was as a "volunteer", and in that case it would have been passing strange to designate him as "incident commander", as he reportedly claimed. He also spoke freely to evacuees and the press, but other emergency responders did not. All of these things begin to look like he wanted to become a "hero" in order to get his job back. We might also be curious about why he was fired.

I think the same report also mentioned that he was charged with possession of explosives because he recently gave some materials to another man, who turned him in to the police.

Please provide links and/or sources for these two paragraphs. It would really help. Thanks!
 
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Dawn said:
griffin said:
Windmill knight said:
In case you missed it. I'm not sure how to interpret this new 'development'. Some sort of damage control in the making?

http://www.sott.net/article/261721-Unexpected-twists-in-case-of-deadly-blast-at-Texas-fertilizer-plant

Later it was reported that the accused paramedic had been "let go" (that is, fired) from his job at the local ambulance service just prior to the disaster. So, if he turned up at the incident, which apparently he did, it was as a "volunteer", and in that case it would have been passing strange to designate him as "incident commander", as he reportedly claimed. He also spoke freely to evacuees and the press, but other emergency responders did not. All of these things begin to look like he wanted to become a "hero" in order to get his job back. We might also be curious about why he was fired.

I think the same report also mentioned that he was charged with possession of explosives because he recently gave some materials to another man, who turned him in to the police.

Please provide links and/or sources for these two paragraphs. It would really help. Thanks!

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/state&id=9097503

Correction: apparently he was let go a few days *after* the disaster, not before. That argues against the theory that he wanted to be a "hero" to get his job back, but a number of other questions remain.
 
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You all are not going to believe this...regarding the explosion in our community...turns out some IDIOT with a ...guess what...can you guess? A CIVIL WAR CANNON, what kind of person fires off a cannon in a rural area?
 
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Here _http://www.wrbl.com/story/22380454/safety-board-chair-atf-blocking-plant-blast-probe in "Safety board chair: ATF blocking plant blast probe", posted and updated on May 2, 2013, it says the following:

"Waco, Texas - The head of a federal safety board says federal agents and the state fire marshal are blocking the board from investigating a deadly Central Texas fertilizer plant blast.

In a letter to a U.S. senator planning hearings into the West Fertilizer plant blast, the chairman of the U.S. Chemical Safety Board says the board's investigation of the blast has been blocked by the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and the State Fire Marshal's Office. The Waco Tribune-Herald reports that the chairman asks U.S. Sen. Barbara Boxer to help the board obtain evidence controlled by the ATF.

The ATF special agent in charge of the investigation tells the Austin American-Statesman that a criminal investigation comes with "certain sensitivities," while the State Fire Marshal's Office tells the paper evidence needs to be protected for now so that law enforcement produces one "clear cut" report."

Interesting. What kind of "certain sensitivities" are they taking about?
 
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My apologies for the noise. Just found the same article on Sott page here http://www.sott.net/article/262029-Federal-agents-and-the-state-fire-marshal-are-blocking-the-board-from-investigating-deadly-Central-Texas-fertilizer-plant-blast
 
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Here's a longer version of the article that gives more detail.

http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2021029526_apusplantexplosioninvestigation.html

Federal agents and the state fire marshal have effectively barred a federal safety panel from the site of a Texas fertilizer plant blast that killed 15 people and injured about 200 others, hampering its investigation, the panel's chairman said.

In a May 17 letter to Sen. Barbara Boxer, U.S. Chemical Safety Board Chairman Rafael Moure-Eraso asked the California Democrat to help the board obtain evidence under control of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives that he contends is essential to the board's investigation, the Waco Tribune-Herald and Austin American-Statesman reported.

"To date, the CSB has experienced significant obstacles that potentially compromise and delay our ability to complete the `comprehensive investigation' that you have rightly demanded, and that we would very much like to produce," he wrote to Boxer. The chairwoman of the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works has said she planned to hold hearings into the April 17 West Fertilizer explosion.

A criminal investigation "comes with certain sensitivities. You need to keep it to law enforcement only," Robert Champion, ATF special agent in charge of the investigation told the American-Statesman. He also said the decision to bar the CSB from the site was made by the State Fire Marshal's Office.

Fire Marshal's Office spokeswoman Rachel Moreno said the CSB was kept out because criminal investigators were executing search warrants.

"We have to protect evidence," she told the American-Statesman. "We need to have one report, one set of interviews; it all has to be clear cut."

Messages left by The Associated Press with ATF and the State Fire Marshal's Office were not returned Tuesday night. However, a Boxer spokeswoman said the senator had asked the agencies to respond as quickly as possible to her concerns regarding the issues raised in the letter.

In an April 30 statement, Boxer said she "cannot rest until we get to the bottom of what caused the disaster" in West and that she wants to make sure such facilities are complying with chemical safety laws.

In his letter, Moure-Eraso said the board sent 18 investigators and other experts to West within 24 hours of the blast. At the same time, ATF "assumed essential exclusive control of the incident site" with the State Fire Marshal's Office, he wrote.

"These criminal investigators have exercised exclusive control of the site for a full one-month period ... and have altered or removed almost all relevant physical evidence at the site," he wrote.

ATF and the State Fire Marshal's Office "consistently expressed the position that CSB was not permitted to conduct separate interviews, prepare expert analysis or author its own independent report," he wrote. ATF and the state fire marshal "state that because in their view this was exclusively a criminal investigation, there could be only one version of what occurred and one report."

On May 16, representatives of the State Fire Marshal's Office announced that the joint criminal investigation left the cause of a fire precipitating the blast as "undetermined."

Investigators narrowed the number of possible causes to three: a problem with one of the plant's electrical systems, a battery-powered golf cart and a criminal act. However, they could not say with certainty what caused the fire that ignited stored ammonium nitrate, said Kelly Kistner, the assistant state fire marshal.
 
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angelburst29 said:
Here's a longer version of the article that gives more detail.

http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2021029526_apusplantexplosioninvestigation.html

[...]

ATF and the State Fire Marshal's Office "consistently expressed the position that CSB was not permitted to conduct separate interviews, prepare expert analysis or author its own independent report," he wrote. ATF and the state fire marshal "state that because in their view this was exclusively a criminal investigation, there could be only one version of what occurred and one report."

It is interesting because in many prior cases, the CSB (in chemical related accidents) has a very strong mandate to conclude a root cause analysis, so the "roots" of this seem to be under different appointed handlers - the old ATF gang of Waco distinction, osis.

You can see here on the CSB's site a video _http://www.csb.gov/videos/ they shoot in the following days. The video really is, so unlike their many other ones of blast sites, just focuses on the peripheral damage and almost noting of the blast site itself. Generally on plant site explosions, they look into every nook and cranny for causation and some of their cases have been well done in recreations.

The CSB discusses their root cause analysis here (May 16, 2013) of this explosion _http://www.csb.gov/us-chemical-safety-board-root-cause-investigation-of-west-explosion-continues/ and as they said then:

The CSB is in the process of conducting witness interviews and gathering documents and other evidence. It has documented blast damage and patterns in the community, and will engage in testing chemical samples and conducting a thorough analysis of the nature and magnitude of the blast, and its actual and potential consequences.
[...]
Chairperson Moure-Eraso said, “This accident produced far more offsite community damage and destruction than any we have investigated since the agency opened its doors in 1998.

Using the criminal investigation card to trump the CSB, who can be generally very thorough, speaks to keeping the lid on something. Their chemical analysis, and blast analysis, if not impeded, could hold interesting results, yet something tells me everything they have will be vetted and compressed for that "one report" of unknown authorship still yet to come.
 
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Forrestdeva said:
You all are not going to believe this...regarding the explosion in our community...turns out some IDIOT with a ...guess what...can you guess? A CIVIL WAR CANNON, what kind of person fires off a cannon in a rural area?

Please provide links and/or sources please. Thanks! :)
 
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This was without a doubt a tomahawk cruise missile that impacted the plant. I put most everything I know into my blog. There is no scientific or logical explanation of how AN could have caused this explosion. The media cover up is easily uncovered by comparing the sources. To save time, I only want the most intelligent people in the forums to challenge my information. If you can't define the terms you use or answer questions, please do not pretend like you are intelligent enough to challenge comments.
_http://westtexasmissile.blogspot.com/
 
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