Explosion in Southern Indianapolis...possible meteor fragment??

whitecoast said:
Pashalis said:
here is a view from the helicopter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omtNEhJ4PxE

indeed a huge explosion!

You can see at 1:13 the explosion didn't completely destroy 2 of the houses -- and instead left the lower part of them the most preserved. It does look sort of like the arc shape you'd expect from something more overhead, rather than from something within.

Based on the picture below, it looks like it did completely destroy two houses, or two houses were completely destroyed by the ensuing fire. The lower parts you mention seem to be two other houses that were adjacent to the two that were completely destroyed.

Count the houses across the street that line up with the houses on the explosion side.
 

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Kniall said:
Would police escort people back into their homes if they thought there was a gas leak?

They would probably have been able to determine fairly quickly from the gas company whether or not a gas leak had occurred.
 
Okay, I just got home. Checking a few boards and FB pages, this is what 'the grapevine' is saying:


To save time, I'll copy paste the info direct, without names to protect privacy:
Somebody was just called into work to help with explosion coverage. (Sad enough situation as it is)

Eek! Do we know what exactly happened yet?

Off the record.. some are saying meth lab, that's not confirmed yet. ATF and Homeland Security have been brought in. 27 homes uninhabitable. Four completely destroyed. Aerial photos of this, flabbergasting. Off the record.. the people whose house blew up, were known to be 'shady' people. Woman was in Ohio for some reason, her boyfriend unaccounted for.

As of 8 minutes ago, there is now this:

That is the latest. The person the information comes from is one of the support people working on the case. I can't fact check anything mentioned, fwiw.
 
Guardian said:
Meth lab?

That's what's being said so far. I don't know what those look like. She also said that a number of the houses are no longer habitable, but she hasn't said why that would be.

If it were a meth lab explosion, would that make other homes uninhabitable? What comes to mind to me would be shock wave damage. I'm not sure how a meth lab blow would do that to so many other structures?

Further in the recent conversation:

Damage contained to 2-block radius. Debris found 4-blocks away.

Didn't this article mention something about houses getting "moved off the foundation" ?! I mean, that's serious stuff.

Yes, that's correct. Many had portions of the back of the house fly through the front.

Can natural gas do that much damage? Wouldn't someone have smelled it near the house? eep.

That's why they've brought in Homeland Security and ATF I think. The investigation is going to take weeks.
(about a minute ago)
 
I actually flipped on a bit of the MSM 6 O'Clock News.

Said by the reporters on scene and in studio:

-2 houses "obliterated"

-80 total houses damaged

-30+ homes uninhabitable

-People the county over heard the explosion

-In one home a man and wife are believed to be dead

-In the second home destroyed, it's said that the family is out of town. With that comment, they brought on an 'expert' who spoke of certain scenarios of how the vacant house could have filled with gas.

-Some homes within the two block radius were said to have been knocked from there foundations.
 
griffin said:
It takes a while to fill a house with enough natural gas to produce an explosion like that, so I tend to doubt that a meteor impact would produce such an explosion. A fire perhaps, but not such a blast. There doesn't appear to be a crater like you'd expect if there had been an energetic meteor impact.

I don't think anybody is proposing a meteor impact in the sense you are taking it, more along the line of Tunguska-type airburst, or Carolina Bays multiple airbursts where there is "fire from heaven" and ablation, but no craters. That is now being understood as the most common type of astronomical/atmospheric phenomena from extraterrestrial bodies; the old "where's the crater?" thing is fast fading in the light of reality.

Having said that, as I pointed out, there's no evidence of even a mini-Tunguska type event because everything is just all over the place. But then, as I said, there could have been a combination, a mini-meteorite exploding and setting off the gas which produced the bigger explosion.

What is odd is the peculiarity of the numbers that come into play, the earthquake at relatively close proximity and time, and the weird confusion following the event. The following, for example.

BrightLight11 said:
I actually flipped on a bit of the MSM 6 O'Clock News.

Said by the reporters on scene and in studio:

-2 houses "obliterated"

-80 total houses damaged

-30+ homes uninhabitable

-People the county over heard the explosion

-In one home a man and wife are believed to be dead

-In the second home destroyed, it's said that the family is out of town. With that comment, they brought on an 'expert' who spoke of certain scenarios of how the vacant house could have filled with gas.

-Some homes within the two block radius were said to have been knocked from there foundations.

Now, looking at the aerial photos, what is said by the MSM reported above is just weird. It's almost like they are trying to either cover something up or use it to "catapult the fear propaganda."

Maybe there is something weird about the whole incident and they want those people out of there while they sort it out or clean it up. And it could be something as prosaic - and horrible - as one or another of their military exercises with secret weapons run amok.
 
Gimpy said:
I'm still trying to find a good Google Earth image of that area. So far nothing recent enough to show if there is a trajectory for a meteor, though that doesn't mean much. Overhead explosions may not reveal anything like that.

An google earth image would be great to see how the houses did look before the incident. Perceval's posted image and especially the two outer half damaged houses could eventually hint that something came from above. Well, eventually. Looking at the debris these houses are built of wood?

Some month ago a gas explosion happened in my area in a flat of a stone house, it was a huge explosion and the windows and floor of my room shook also when the explosion happened to an ~45° angle to my windows. Glassplinters were all over the street and the house still stood, but I don't know if people still can live in it. It certainly depends how much gas was leaked and it can also destroy stone houses.

Here are some random pictures of gasexplosions (google image search):

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_http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-11671916

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_http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/9358210/Two-year-old-boy-killed-in-suspected-gas-explosion-which-police-fear-may-have-been-caused-deliberately.html

A blog I found with pictures and dates of natural gasexplosions:

_http://homosapienssaveyourearth.blogspot.de/2012/06/perfect-profession-to-be-burnt-alive-in.html
 
I don't know if it means anything or not, but did anyone notice In the photo series that Heimdallr linked to ( http://tinyurl.com/d4oshpu ), that there is a lot of debris on the house roofs on only one side of the destroyed homes while on the other side the roofs are noticeably clean? (Pic #'s 12, 14, 15, 16, )
 
It appears 2 houses exploded, as they are completely destoryed. The others were damaged by the explosion of those two. Unburned debris away from the center, maybe cast from original blast then fire. If two houses exploded it probably had to have been a gas leak from a main rather that gas accumulating in one house, the odor of such a leak should have been noticed I would think.

A meth lab seems very unlikely to have caused this kind of damage. These days, with the main ingredients for meth being hard to obtain ( Pseudoephedrine, at least, in the state where I live has to be signed for) making such operations very small.

Recently built houses are designed with fire barriers, lots of drywall, fire proof insulation so do not sustain fire easily. So the fire damage would have come from the natural gas, or whatever caused the explosion, after the blast. It must have been intense heat, vinyl siding on nearby houses, is shown melted.

Mac
 
A meth lab explosion and gas have been ruled out....?


http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-sources-no-evidence-of-meth-lab-or-bomb-found-in-explosion-rubble-20121112,0,2561992.column?track=rss

By Fox59

8:54 a.m. EST, November 12, 2012

Indianapolis
Investigators found no evidence of a meth lab or bomb in the aftermath of an explosion on the city’s southeast side, which killed two people and injured several others.

Homeland Security Chief Gary Coons told Fox59 News that there was no evidence leading investigators to suspect methamphetamine production in the house. Additionally, bomb-sniffing dogs and federal agents found no traces of bomb residue in the wreckage.


Homeland Security confirmed Monday that the leading factor of the explosion at Stop 11 and Sherman Drive was likely a natural gas leak.

Indianapolis Battalion Chief Kenny Bacon said all investigations of this type begin as criminal probes.

Approximately 200 residents were evacuated from their houses. More than 80 homes were affected by the explosion, causing $3.6 million in damage. Of those 80 homes 31 suffered major damage, five require demolition and 26 were deemed uninhabitable.

Thoughts? The police have restricted access to this area, saying its to protect the homes for the families returning for belongings, helping them retrieve things, as the buildings are no longer safe. Its also being restricted for the investigation. The Gas Co, Citizens Gas, has all ready gone on record stating that it was not a gas leak yesterday.

It is still possible that the media will spin this as 'copper thieves', even though gas lines are run through steel. It would implicate the police though (local police were involved in these thefts) so that may be a stretch. It still looks like an airburst of some kind to me, though I have no clue what could cause it.
 
Continuing to dig, it appears a gas leak is the cause Homeland Security is deciding on:


http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-homeland-security-all-indicators-point-to-natural-gas-leak-in-southeast-side-explosion-20121111,0,1354297.column

By Fox59

2:27 p.m. EST, November 11, 2012

Indianapolis
Investigators are working to determine what led to a fatal explosion on the city's southeast side.

It happened near Stop 11 and Sherman Drive just after 11 p.m. Saturday. At least two people were killed and seven others were injured.

Indianapolis Homeland Security Chief Gary Coons told Fox59 News that the investigators are in the process of eliminating potential causes.

Coon said, "all indicators" point in the direction of a natural gas leak as the likely cause. Because the house where the explosion occurred was unoccupied all day, Coons said there would have been no one home to smell leaking gas.

"A huge build up," could likely have been touched off, said Coons.

More than 200 residents were evacuated from their homes. Some two dozen homes were damaged by the blast.

Investigators are tracking down reports of the smell of gas in the neighborhood throughout the day Saturday.

Some residents are being allowed back in on a limited basis to retrieve personal items. So far, 27 homes have been ruled uninhabitable.


Coons said once the area is secured, crews will begin determining how to manage the debris in the community.

This is after Citizens Gas reported no leaks or problems late yesterday. I'm still looking for that mention, as it was included in an article that was being run all day with just new tidbits thrown in it.
 
Found this regarding comments from Citizens Gas:

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2012211110364

9:21 a.m. update: No gas leaks in neighborhood

“We have done initial testing throughout the neighborhood and have not found any gas leaks," said Dan Considine, Citizens spokesman.

"We are still doing additional testing of the gas main and the lines to the homes on Fieldfare Way,” he said. “We have not at this point found any problems with any external gas lines.”
8:04 am update

Authorities from local, state and federal agencies scoured the rubble Sunday for clues to what caused a massive and deadly explosion late the night before on the Southeastside.

But if answers were elusive -- no official cause has been determined -- the devastation was evident.

Neighbors, volunteers, investigators and others who traipsed through the area or viewed it from nearby were confronted with horrifying images of destruction.

The toll: Five homes destroyed or nearly destroyed; an additional 26 homes significantly damaged; 200 people forced from their homes; seven people injured; two people -- presumed to be a second-grade teacher and her husband -- dead.

Fieldfare Way, a street in the heart of the Richmond Hill neighborhood, was the center of the blast that shattered windows and crumpled garage doors a block away.

Three houses on the street -- 8343, 8349 and 8355 Fieldfare Way -- essentially were reduced to charred foundations.

Tony Burnett, 49, was lying in bed watching the Notre Dame football game a little after 11 p.m. when the explosion shook his home, knocked down doors and blew out windows.

He said he ran outside and saw that the house across the street, 8349 Fieldfare, was gone. Houses on either side were in flames.

Debris fell like snow.

"When I got outside it was still snowing, with all the pieces of insulation and vinyl siding coming down," Burnett said.


Burnett, his wife and their two dogs escaped without serious injury.

An IMPD report on the blast Monday morning confirmed the deaths of Jennifer L. Longworth, 36, and her husband, John D. Longworth, 34, and said their remains were found in the basement of their home at 8355 Fieldfare. A report from the Marion County coroner is needed to officially establish their identities.

Nonetheless, about 100 educators, students and parents gathered Sunday night for a candlelight vigil at Southwest Elementary School, where Jennifer was a second-grade teacher.

"You can tell teaching wasn't just a job for her," said Jessi Hersinger, whose son Levi was in Longworth's class last year. "She put her heart into it."

Levi wanted to know why his teacher was gone.

Hersinger said she told him she didn't really know, "But bad things like this just happen sometimes, and she's in God's hands now."

Greenwood Schools Superintendent David Edds called Jennifer "a wonderful teacher."

The district's schools are on a two-hour delay this morning, Edds said, to help the district react in case the confirmation should come.

"If it was her, our heart goes out to the family," Edds said. "She'll truly be missed."

Counselors will be available at Southwest today, Edds said.

The Marion County coroner's office will review dental records and consult with an expert before officially identifying the victims, Chief Deputy Coroner Alfie Ballew said.

Ballew declined to confirm the names, but she said the coroner's office has met with the family of the victims.

Jennifer's father, Donald E. Buxton, declined an interview Sunday.

Another couple was rescued from the rubble. They were at 8343 Fieldfare Way on Saturday, according to a co-worker.

Glenn and Gloria Olvey survived but were "battered, bruised and sore," David Frazier said.

"They were both trapped in the house and had to be evacuated," Frazier said.

Frazier works with Gloria at LandTree Realtors in Greenwood. He said he had spoken to Gloria on Sunday.

Frazier did not say where the Olveys were recuperating. Attempts to contact the Olveys were unsuccessful.

Monserrate R. Shirley lives at the other destroyed home, 8349 Fieldfare Way, according to records and Burnett, who lives across the street. Shirley was contacted by telephone Sunday but also declined an interview.

While three homes were leveled, two others were heavily damaged and must be bulldozed, city code inspectors said. About 26 more homes need extensive repairs before residents can return.

Police evacuated about 200 people from homes in the neighborhood late Saturday, some of whom spent the night at Mary Bryan Elementary School.

By Sunday morning, firefighters began allowing people back into about 50 of the least-damaged homes. They could stay, but the homes were without power for part of the day.

Firefighters escorted others into more heavily damaged homes to retrieve medicine, pets or identification. But they had to seek shelter elsewhere.

The most heavily damaged houses, marked by a red tag, remained off limits.

Relief operations moved from the school to Southport Presbyterian Church by midday.

The smell of grilled hamburgers and chicken filled the air around the church Sunday as volunteers fed displaced families and others.

Police, arson investigators, federal agents and Citizens Energy crews remained in the neighborhood late Sunday.

The cause of the explosion remained a mystery, but attention focused on natural gas lines.

Dan Considine, spokesman for Citizens Energy, said the company's crews shut down the gas main along Fieldfare Way after the blast and on Sunday morning found no leaks.

If the blast was a gas explosion, it would add to a long and deadly string of such accidents in Indiana. In fact, the deadliest disaster in Indianapolis history was the Oct. 31, 1963, gas explosion that ripped through the Indiana State Fairgrounds Coliseum, killing 74 people and injuring about 400 others.


More than 4,000 spectators were attending an opening night performance of the Holiday on Ice show when a leaky propane assembly used to keep pre-popped popcorn warm exploded.

Nearly five years later, on April 6, 1968, a gas explosion wiped out much of downtown Richmond, killing 41 and injuring scores more. The blast caused an estimated $15 million in losses in 1968 dollars, with 15 buildings destroyed and 125 damaged.


Last month, a vacant home in the 1000 block of South Warman Avenue was leveled by a ruptured gas line that caused an explosion.


Star reporters Ryan Sabalow, Robert King and Tim Evans contributed to this story. Call Star reporter Vic Ryckaert at (317) 444-2701.

Note: bolded, italics text added, it struck me as an odd detail.
 

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