Fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris and Other Catholic Churches

This may be nothing, but although there are no actual deaths, I suddenly started thinking about France burning, or the death of France (it's main symbols) as we know it, and I got reminded of the Cs comments about the "April Drop Dead Date". When I went to look for a quote, I found this:



and this:



Nostradamus...his real name was "Michel de Notre-Dâme" ou "Nostredame".

And looking at Nostradamus' alleged predictions for 2019:


A bit of a strange coincidence, if only symbolically, given that there are only a few mentions of this "April Drop Dead Date".

That’s funny, not every April, but this April I have been thinking about that remark about the Drop dead date.

And it is such a sight to behold, a 700+ year old structure with such a connection to historic events. Endured two world wars and countless other events over the centuries.

Maybe a bit corny but for French people and those in the know, watching Notre Dame burn might make them wanna “drop dead” as the expression goes.
 
Thanks to all of you for all this information up to date, pictures, etc. I felt very sad but knowing that I am not alone to see this terrible catastrophe and try to think how come this can happen, I feel better. This fire of this cathedral makes me feel like if I was living in the Middle Age, like a sign, a premonition, a message of the Universe to us, little humans. Poor cathedral, so plain of history, so many people worked to construct her, to protect her, to cherish her, with love, patience, persistance.... and now ashes, the past is erased with fire. Terrible!
 
It seems the main structure has been saved as well as some of the relics:

A French official and the Paris fire chief have told the Associated Press that they think Notre Dame Cathedral’s landmark rectangular towers have been saved from the fire that caused horrific damage.

Paris fire commander Jean-Claude Gallet says that a major accomplishment of the hundreds of firefighters was stopping the flames from spreading to the north tower belfry. “We can consider that the main structure of Notre-Dame has been saved and preserved.”

The structure of the cathedral has been saved, and the fire has been stopped from spreading to the northern belfry, Paris police said.

The junior interior minister Laurent Nuñez says that authorities remain “prudent” but are “much more optimistic” than they were earlier tonight.

He defended the fact water-bombing planes were not been used, as suggested by US President Donald Trump, saying that such action would have posed a “major danger” for the structure.

He adds that the fire has “decreased in intensity” and “the structure of the building is saved, including the north tower.”

Gallet says two-thirds of Notre Dame’s roofing “has been ravaged.” He says one firefighter was injured, adding that fire crews will keep working overnight to cool down the structure.

Rector of Notre-Dame, Patrick Jacquin, has reportedly told local media that the Crown of Thorns and the Tunic of St Louis have both been recovered.

However, fears remain for the many priceless artworks and artefacts still housed inside the cathedral.

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Wasn't there also an attack on St. Nicholas in northern France in February? And a fire at Saint Alain cathedral in south-central France around the same time?

Also this time of the year is when a number of bad things have happened, right around tax time: Columbine, Titanic, Va Tech shooting, and Boston Marathon bombings to name just a few. Very weird.
 
The white smoke of Notre-Dame intrigues me! At the conclave, the designation of the Pope, the white smoke, announces the coming of the new Pope of Rome. "I will destroy your temple made of hands of men and in three days I will build a larger one that is not made of the hands of men" Mark. 14.58. Just a thought ..
 
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Wasn't there also an attack on St. Nicholas in northern France in February? And a fire at Saint Alain cathedral in south-central France around the same time?

I should have checked SOTT first. There's a long list of attacks:

Major Rise in Attacks on French Churches Ignored by Media -- Sott.net

Sometimes it's a cross of human excrement smeared on a church wall, with stolen Communion hosts stuck at the four corners. Other times, a statue of the Virgin Mary lies shattered on the floor.

Now and then, a fire breaks out in a house of prayer.

Roman Catholic churches have increasingly come under attack in France, a country so long identified with Christianity that it used to be called "the eldest daughter of the church."

A recent fire at St. Sulpice, the second-largest church in Paris, has shed light on a trend that has become commonplace in many smaller towns.

"Who has heard of the sacking of the monastery of Saint Jean des Balmes in Aveyron? Of those teenagers who urinated into the holy water font of the church at Villeneuve de Berg in Ardèche?" the Paris daily Le Figaro asked last week in an article highlighting some of the lesser-known profanations around the country this month.

Incidents such as these get a brief mention in the press, complete with quotes from Catholics shocked at the sight of scattered hosts or beheaded statues, and sometimes a short video clip on national television.

But apart from official denunciations of individual attacks, Catholic leaders in France have refrained from dramatizing what they say is a worrying trend.

The sharpest reactions have come from conservative politicians, including two National Assembly members who have called for a parliamentary inquiry into "the multiplication of anti-Christian acts."

"The images of flames in Saint Sulpice church this weekend are one more example of the violence committed against Catholics," Philippe Gosselin and Annie Genevard said, referring to the blaze in an edifice known to moviegoers around the world as the church in the film version of Dan Brown's The Da Vinci Code.

Among attacks on churches in February, a cross of human excrement was found in the southern city of Nimes, a statue of Mary was smashed in a Paris suburb and a statue of Jesus decapitated in an Atlantic seaside resort with the very Christian name of Saint Gilles Croix de Vie (St. Giles, Cross of Life).

The attacks on Catholic churches and the muted reactions to them reflect the complex role France's once dominant faith plays in a society that has changed so much that ignorance of religion - not only Christianity but others as well - is widespread.

"We adopt a reasonable attitude. We do not want to develop a discourse of persecution. We do not wish to complain," Archbishop Georges Pontier, head of the French bishops conference, said when asked about attacks on churches.

"We are not victims of a 'Cathophobia'," he told Le Point magazine. "In its history, Judaism has fought an ongoing struggle against anti-Semitic groups. We Catholics in France now do not have to face such violence every day!"

Attacks on other religious sites, especially Jewish and Muslim properties, have also risen but are far fewer than those on Catholic churches because of their minority status. Protestants, who make up only 2 percent of the population, have seen few attacks on their churches, possibly because they lack many symbols distinct to Catholicism.

Other factors also influence the Catholic Church's reaction. It doesn't want to start a campaign that might encourage its critics, priests say. With the clerical sexual abuse scandal regularly in the headlines, they add, the bishops are also in a weak position to appeal for sympathy.

Moreover, there are apparently several different motives behind these attacks.

Some are pranks by youngsters tempted to deface a local church used mostly by older people in their town. With Sunday Mass attendance down to about 5 percent of all Catholics, many church buildings around the country do little more than mark the center of town.

Church buildings are being closed down or regrouped into larger parishes, which means they're often locked or empty for most of the week and an inviting target for vandals.

"Part of the population has not been socialized as Christians and does not realize what these attacks on the sacred can mean," said sociologist Philippe Portier.

Paris police have hinted the March 17 fire in St. Sulpice, which damaged a door and window and spread soot on pews and artworks inside the church, might have been caused by homeless people setting old clothes ablaze.


Might have? That sounds like BS.

"This is not an anti-religious attack," said Fr. Jean-Loup Lacroix, the pastor of St. Sulpice.

Thieves make up a second group attacking churches, which often contain gold-plated vessels, old paintings and elegant statues that, while not masterpieces, are worth attractive sums on the black market. Burglars usually break into a church and take what they want, without touching anything else.

The government has a program to help churches finance better surveillance systems, but often it's not enough or priests think regular locks are enough to protect their buildings.

Judging by the damage they do, the third group seems to be hostile to religion, but it's hard to classify them because they don't claim responsibility for their attacks.

These vandals tear down crosses, scatter consecrated hosts and smash statues to shock Catholics who consider these objects to be signs of their faith itself.


They do more than that, whether they realize it or not: they attack the foundation of Western civilization, irrespective of how many of the 'faithful' still attend mass. Witness the global outrage at what's happened to Notre Dame... everybody knows this is 'just a symbol', but they also know it's CATASTROPHIC.

According to Catholic doctrine, hosts of unleavened bread literally become the body of Jesus himself at the Mass. Consecrated but unused hosts are stored for future use, so breaking into the tabernacle holding them and scattering them on the floor ranks among the highest of sacrileges.

"When somebody tramples on a host, it's as if the whole church is being stomped on," Catholic historian François Huguenin said.

Miviludes, a government agency created in 2002 to monitor sectarian groups judged to threaten public safety, warned over a decade ago against satanists attacking cemeteries and promoting "acts of barbarians."

Although the number of satanists in France is tiny, the ideas they represent - hostility to religion, rejection of institutions and a glorification of strength over the perceived weakness of Christians - tap into broader views out there in French society.

"There are new religious movements that consider the imposition of belief in God has emasculated us and they must destroy its symbols," Portier said.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but - and this is aside from the question of a deliberate campaign to destroy religious sites - maybe God/the Universe/Objective Reality is nudging France (and whoever can still see and hear) back from the precipice of fully embracing nihilistic postmodernist 'values'?
 
There's a kind of grassroots rekindling of the values that underpin what's good from the traditions of the Christian church. Jordan Peterson's rise reflects that. If so, its a move away from political and religious polarisation and its resultant disintegration that the "powers-that want-to-be" require. It's a move closer to the centre. That's likely the significant threat as far as I can tell.

Could it be these kind of events, many likely false flags, are aimed at resisting moves towards integration, towards people having a better grip on objective reality, or at least moving towards that?
 
French President Macron: 'We'll rebuild Notre-Dame together'
French President Emmanuel Macron speaks as Prime Minister Edouard Philippe and Archbishop of Paris, Michel Aupetit, stand near the Notre Dame Cathedral where a fire burns in Paris, France, April 15, 2019.   REUTERS/Philippe Wojazer/Pool
French President Emmanuel Macron pledged to rebuild Notre-Dame cathedral on Monday after a blaze devastated large parts of the gothic gem on Monday.

'City of lights' plunged into dark sorrow as Notre-Dame burns
People watch as fire fighters douse flames of the burning Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris, France April 15, 2019. REUTERS/Benoit Tessier
Distraught Parisians and stunned tourists gazed in disbelief on Monday as a monstrous inferno tore through Paris' Notre-Dame cathedral, one of the world's best-loved monuments.

Fire guts Paris' Notre-Dame, but structure saved from destruction
Sparks fill the air as Paris Fire brigade members spray water to extinguish flames as the Notre Dame Cathedral burns in Paris, France, April 15, 2019.   REUTERS/Philippe Wojazer
A massive fire consumed Notre-Dame Cathedral on Monday, gutting and destroying the roof of the Paris landmark and stunning France and the world, but firefighters said they had saved the shell of the stone structure from collapse.


Macron says worst has been avoided in Notre Dame fire

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"The worst has been avoided but the battle has not yet been won," Macron told reporters at the site of the fire. He added that the next few hours will be very difficult. "Thanks to the bravery of firefighters, the cathedral's two main bell towers have been saved," he noted.

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There's a kind of connection with the YV movement, though maybe drawing a long bow, in that the YV'ers were asking for return to a more constitutional government. Some of those studying the history of constitutions see the Catholic Church as foundationally opposed to constitutional or common law given that they claim biblically it was the Romans (Greek Enforcers from the C's transcripts?) that married religion with politics in order to control the masses and profit from it in oppressive ways. Other Christian religions/churches are seen as formed in protest of that.

Given the above, I'm only studying the history of the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Australia and it's roots in UK law and religious history, the French situation may have a very different constitutional and religious history. Though it's perhaps symbolic that the 'enforcers' control/oppression/domination is weakening.

The other thing is that the best and strongest building timbers usually have a very tight grain and are not so easy to set on fire from a small source of heat/flame without accelerant and often there is smouldering/smoking for a period of time before flame appears - if it does at all - which should have been noticeable it seems to me. The pictures of the timbers in the roof seem to be fairly decent, solid lumps of timber!
 
There's a kind of grassroots rekindling of the values that underpin what's good from the traditions of the Christian church. Jordan Peterson's rise reflects that. If so, its a move away from political and religious polarisation and its resultant disintegration that the "powers-that want-to-be" require. It's a move closer to the centre. That's likely the significant threat as far as I can tell.
Could it be these kind of events, many likely false flags, are aimed at resisting moves towards integration, towards people having a better grip on objective reality, or at least moving towards that?
What you mentioned, go in hand with this, and not only Christianity but Judaism and Islam. PTB needs to be remind people of their differences rather than similarities through events of sadness and desolation, because here "someone" fixed this, I don't believe it was just an algorithm.

YouTube’s ‘conspiracy filter’ tags Notre Dame fire videos with 9/11 info
YouTube’s “conspiracy filter” algorithm accidentally tagged livestreams of the Notre Dame Cathedral fire with an “info box” displaying a blurb about the 9/11 attacks, proving its AI isn’t very intelligent after all.
France24 and other agencies running livestreams of the blaze found YouTube had placed the offending conspiracy disclaimer below their videos, featuring a brief summary of the “official version” of the events of September 11, 2001
taken from the Encyclopedia Britannica. Unfortunately, the information was about two decades – and an entire continent – off the mark.

We are deeply saddened by the ongoing fire at the Notre-Dame cathedral,” a YouTube spokesman said about the gaffe. “These panels are triggered algorithmically and our systems sometimes make the wrong call. We are disabling these panels for live streams related to the fire.”

YouTube claims to show “tens of millions” of anti-conspiracy text boxes to viewers every week, pulling text from sources reputable (Britannica) and not-so-reputable (Wikipedia) in an effort to debunk so-called conspiracy theories. The platform stepped up efforts to “reduce recommendations of borderline content and content that could misinform users in harmful ways” (such as “making blatantly false claims about historic events like 9/11”) earlier this year, but claimed the measure would apply to less than one percent of all YouTube videos.

As some astute Twitter users pointed out, the feature designed to squelch conspiracy theories was actually promoting them by suggesting there was a link between the events of 9/11 and the cathedral fire





 
The fire that devastated Notre-Dame Cathedral in Paris on Monday prompted fund-raising appeals in the United States, as people horrified by the blaze began making commitments to restore a global landmark even before the flames were extinguished.

Americans, frequent visitors to Notre-Dame, begin fundraising efforts
Firefighters douse flames from the burning Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris, France April 15, 2019. REUTERS/Benoit Tessier

The New York-based French Heritage Society and the Go Fund Me crowdsourcing platform were among the first to offer help for a cathedral
that is a must-see destination for visitors to Paris from all over the world.

French President Emmanuel Macron said an international campaign would be launched to raise funds for the rebuilding of Notre-Dame Cathedral.

The French Heritage Society, an American non-profit group dedicated to preserving French architectural and cultural treasures, launched a web page on Monday to raise money for the cathedral’s restoration.

“Notre-Dame is obviously an architectural marvel and most certainly a monument that should be restored,” Jennifer Herlein, the executive director of the society, said by phone.

Herlein could not immediately say how much her organization had raised for Notre-Dame on Monday. Eventually, the funds raised will go directly to the cathedral, she said.

The organization, which was founded in 1982, gave two grants last year totaling more than $430,000 for restoration projects at France’s national library, she said.
 
What you mentioned, go in hand with this, and not only Christianity but Judaism and Islam. PTB needs to be remind people of their differences rather than similarities through events of sadness and desolation, because here "someone" fixed this, I don't believe it was just an algorithm.

YouTube’s ‘conspiracy filter’ tags Notre Dame fire videos with 9/11 info

Perhaps like 911, also another "burnt offering" or holocaust?

holocaust (n.)
mid-13c., "sacrifice by fire, burnt offering," from Old French holocauste (12c.), or directly from Late Latin holocaustum, from Greek holokauston"a thing wholly burnt," neuter of holokaustos"burned whole," from holos "whole" (from PIE root *sol- "whole, well-kept") + kaustos, verbal adjective of kaiein "to burn" (see caustic).

 
I was really saddened by this news. I'm sure parts of it can be rebuilt, but that kind of misses the point from a symbolic perspective. From a symbolic perspective France is also burning. Once could say the same of the entire West in general, under the pathocracy of the US-led post-war era and neo-liberal project of flattening all cultures and nations into free-trade blocs for soulless consumerism.
 
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