FOTCM: Application for Membership

For those of you who would like to make a monthly donation to the Fellowship, you can now do that here:

http://paleochristianity.org/support-the-fellowship/

If you send in your app and start a monthly donation, that will most certainly count towards covering your application costs!

If PayPal doesn't like your card or whatever, just use the donation page at SOTT.net:

http://www.sott.net/signs/donate

And include a note with your application that you used WorldPay instead. Usually, PayPal is far more card-friendly, but not always.
 
About the statement of principles:

Could we add a section on the "skeptic/rationalist movement" with emphasis on how it has been co-opted by the ptb to deny all consipracy and paranormal phenomena? There's plenty of evidence of pathology in "rationalist" circles- e.g. this article on Jref.

Btw, the bibliography is awesome. Another one to consider is Conspiracy Theories: The Philosophical Debate. Its a compilation of articles by both supporters and detractors of the rationality of conspiracy theories, and makes a number of keen points that are often glossed over by skeptics, such as the fact that an official version of history that includes a conspiracy is not often considered a "conspiracy theory" despite meeting the definition.
 
I celebrated winter solstice time (Dec 21) by finally getting my FOTCM application in the mail! :)

I might have procrastinated a bit, because I cannot do things so quickly - disentangling from the previous church ties was very recent thing.
I still have not informed my family, and I won't right away either, about my new involvement. It will happen naturally I think.

One suggestion: since organizations can live on longer than the founders, and since organizations can change then in unexpected ways, and also because not everyone would necessarily want to remain FOTCM members - should we establish now an easy mechanism for terminating the membership?

Some kind of easy web based mechanism? I was able to terminate membership in the Finnish Lutheran church easily this way.
 
Kesdjan said:
About the statement of principles:

Could we add a section on the "skeptic/rationalist movement" with emphasis on how it has been co-opted by the ptb to deny all consipracy and paranormal phenomena? There's plenty of evidence of pathology in "rationalist" circles- e.g. this article on Jref.

Btw, the bibliography is awesome. Another one to consider is Conspiracy Theories: The Philosophical Debate. Its a compilation of articles by both supporters and detractors of the rationality of conspiracy theories, and makes a number of keen points that are often glossed over by skeptics, such as the fact that an official version of history that includes a conspiracy is not often considered a "conspiracy theory" despite meeting the definition.
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Yes, sounds like a good addition. You want to write it up, at least outline it, include references, etc, and we can flesh it out? Ought to be done in the FOTCM forum.
 
I wonder if I meet the breathing requirements for membership. I started doing the breathing and meditation again last week, and like the first time time I started practicing, everything went well. Then, on Thursday, instead of a lot of emotional stuff coming up, my nasal passages closed so completely that it was physically impossible to do the breathing correctly.

I did the breathing exercises again last night, and the experience was better. It's just that I can't ever predict what's going to happen. I don't think I'm ever going to be an exemplary model of breath work - not a good candidate for teaching this process.

Maybe I can be useful in another way?
 
webglider said:
I wonder if I meet the breathing requirements for membership.
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Maybe I can be useful in another way?
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I got my official FOTCM card/certificate in the mail last week noting my status as Listener. webglider, it sounds like you do the breathing exercises more than I :)

I do have concerns about how to contribute. Fortunately, the C's cleared up any misgivings I had regarding monetary donations so that's how I am currently providing the most benefit I feel I can.
 
Aaron said:
webglider said:
I wonder if I meet the breathing requirements for membership.
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Maybe I can be useful in another way?
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I got my official FOTCM card/certificate in the mail last week noting my status as Listener. webglider, it sounds like you do the breathing exercises more than I :)

I do have concerns about how to contribute. Fortunately, the C's cleared up any misgivings I had regarding monetary donations so that's how I am currently providing the most benefit I feel I can.
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Hi webglider, I have a neurological condition that causes breathing difficulties and I have had great trouble in doing the breathing exercises but I am still a member of the FOTCM. I have been getting better and have been able to do some pipe breathing recently so things are looking up for me. You can do the meditation though, which is a large part of the EE program. Also you can keep up with the detoxing and studies and still be a great asset to the Fellowship. :)
 
webglider said:
I don't think I'm ever going to be an exemplary model of breath work - not a good candidate for teaching this process.
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Says who? I don't think you should assume this.

When I was a teenager a friend told me a story about a karate student who could simply not do flying kicks. Precisely because he was so bad at it, he insisted in learning and eventually he became the expert flying kicker, winning world tournaments! Well, I don't know if that was just a made-up story, but it stuck in my mind because I learned that anyone who had difficulty at doing something could become a great master precisely because the size of her challenge would make her very strong, if she just persisted. You could even say that someone who feels 'ungifted' is actually very gifted in potential, and part of the challenge is to realize it.
 
Thanks Vulcan, Masamune, Aaron, and Windmill knight for your encouragement. I'm in the process of filling out the application.
 
Windmill knight said:
webglider said:
I don't think I'm ever going to be an exemplary model of breath work - not a good candidate for teaching this process.
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Says who? I don't think you should assume this.

When I was a teenager a friend told me a story about a karate student who could simply not do flying kicks. Precisely because he was so bad at it, he insisted in learning and eventually he became the expert flying kicker, winning world tournaments! Well, I don't know if that was just a made-up story, but it stuck in my mind because I learned that anyone who had difficulty at doing something could become a great master precisely because the size of her challenge would make her very strong, if she just persisted. You could even say that someone who feels 'ungifted' is actually very gifted in potential, and part of the challenge is to realize it.
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Fwiw, I just wanted to add here that the main reason, IMO, I feel that I'm successful in helping people to sing is because I've had sooooo many "voice crises" and problems with everything that has to do with singing my self. Now afterwards I can see those same problems (tensions, breathing, posture, attitude) so much more clearly in my pupils. I would have known nothing without my own "Jacob's wrestle".
 
Aragorn said:
Fwiw, I just wanted to add here that the main reason, IMO, I feel that I'm successful in helping people to sing is because I've had sooooo many "voice crises" and problems with everything that has to do with singing my self. Now afterwards I can see those same problems (tensions, breathing, posture, attitude) so much more clearly in my pupils. I would have known nothing without my own "Jacob's wrestle".
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That's the same thing we are doing by working on our own machine. This is how working on ourselves helps others.

Once we know our programs and what we did to get them under control, we can then offer suggestions to others who are trying to do the same thing. That's why when people ask how can they help get the people of this world out of the mess they're in, it's said to work on yourself.

And, now, with indications from the C's we are finding that this has a non-linear/ultra-dimensional aspect to it as well. How cool is that? :cool:

Glad to see that you are joining FOTCM, webglider. :thup:
 
Aragorn said:
Fwiw, I just wanted to add here that the main reason, IMO, I feel that I'm successful in helping people to sing is because I've had sooooo many "voice crises" and problems with everything that has to do with singing my self. Now afterwards I can see those same problems (tensions, breathing, posture, attitude) so much more clearly in my pupils. I would have known nothing without my own "Jacob's wrestle".
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Absolutely! I can relate to this as a dance teacher. I had so many bad habits by 18, that on moving to LA , I was told by a very respected teacher to "go home and go to college". But I stayed and learned so much by working at correcting those problems. In one sense she was right in that I would never make a big career of dance (I made it to the equivalent of AA baseball), but the knowledge is forever. It was a privilege to pass that on to young dancers and hopefully shorten their road a bit. I also taught adults for years. So many were in class because it was an experience they'd been denied as children. They would never "make it" either but they made way more progress they ever thought they would and (I hope) had a good time doing it. It certainly made me a much better dancer than I would have been otherwise.

Teaching is amazing, isn't it? :thup:

Herondancer
 
Hey Laura & Group:

I just wanted to say that I mailed my application about a month ago but still not part of the FOTCM forum yet. So I just wanted to follow up & ask if it was received and I should just be patient. I didn't know how long I should wait before making this post but my impatience go the better of me today :-[
 
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