France - Charlie Hebdo Attack

Not a bad Article from national paper, Irish Independent by Ian O’Doherty
From_http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/ian-odoherty/unless-you-mean-what-you-say-je-suis-charlie-is-another-bandwagon-to-ride-on-30902477.html

It would be nice to think that Sunday's mass rallies across France, and here in Ireland, could change anything. They can't and they won't.

{snip}

As more than 40 world leaders, and Enda Kenny, gathered in Paris to express their belief in free expression, anyone who has a genuine interest in the idea could be forgiven for vomiting at the sheer brass neck of the grandees who assembled.

As 'Reporters Without Borders' (RWB) were quick to point out, some of the world's most repressive regimes were present.

RWB rightly said that they were: "Outraged by the presence of officials from countries that restrict freedom of information", and a quick glance at the guest list explains their ire: Egypt, Russia, Turkey, Gabon, Algeria, the United Arab Emirates and even Saudi Arabia took part - all countries which routinely jail or kill journalists and bloggers who fail to toe the line. Surely there's no need to ponder the absurdity of Saudi Arabia attending a rally in support of free speech, even as they were publicly administering the first 50 of 1,000 lashes to a blogger for the crime of apostasy?

Which is where Kenny comes in. First out of the claptraps with the usual platitudes and nonsense, Kenny was merely the highest profile Irish politician to hitch a ride on the #Je Suis Charlie bandwagon and the only reason such a sight wasn't even more disappointing is because we have come to expect no better.

How can any politician in a country which has blasphemy on its legal statutes dare to talk about the importance of protecting freedom of expression?

Of course, we specialise in meaningless, self-serving platitudes and weasel words in this country and we don't just have to look at Kenny to see the national disease at work.

Saturday's rally in Dublin was a master class in such double think.
Hosted by the NUJ, we saw a trade union which consistently votes for academic boycotts of Israel posturing in support of freedom of speech, alongside Irish politicians such as Frances Fitzgerald and Joan Burton - who are part of a Government which wants to introduce even more restrictive speech laws in this country.

Here's the thing - any eejit can hold up a sign publicly proclaiming #Je Suis Charlie. But if you're going to walk it, you have to talk it.

Freedom of expression is non-negotiable. It's not some arcane, wishy washy concept, like wishing for an end to world hunger. It's a vital bedrock of democracy and civilisation which deserves more than a bunch of chancers hopping on the #Je Suis Charlie bandwagon, even as they actively campaign against the very principles they now pretend to support.

Too many people, journalists included, seem to look on #Je Suis Charlie as the latest internet fashion frenzy - a combination of #Bring Back Our Girls and the ice bucket challenge.

But this isn't some nebulous fad to be used to show your friends what a great humanitarian you are. It is, quite literally, a matter of life and death.

{snip}

Either you believe in freedom of speech or you don't and if you have ever signed a petition calling for something to be banned, or you support our deranged hate speech laws, then you're off the team. Stop saying you are Charlie.

Because your actions have categorically proven that you're not.

Not quiet the whole banana... for the general public, but its something.
 
RT are reporting a link between the shooters and the underwear bomber.

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/01/13/392957/Info-confirms-CIA-link-to-Parris-attack

This Guardian article from 2012 reports that the underwear bomber was working for the CIA:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/may/09/underwear-bomber-working-for-cia

Although this remains circumstantial, to my mind it's a step in the right direction..
 
loreta said:
... We can say also: there were some good people in this crowd, some very good citizens. Yes, and that was the problem in Germany, in 1933 and now in 2015. And we can say also: they were afraid that's why they went to the rally, in Germany as in Paris. Same thing. Fear, good citizens.

And I may add that people gathered not only through fear but many through hope and commitment !
That it wouldn't go solely through the ways medias are planning it; that people would be there to say that they don't agree with this political recuperation; that citizens are aware and won't let it happen like the PTB want this event to lead to, hatred, exclusion and the like... But the medias don't show this of course !

Charlie Hebdo was a racist rag promoting racism and xenophobia only in a partial outlook, it was way more than that. They were talented people who denigrated the institutions and who devoted their lives to harsh and humoristic criticism against all types of indoctrination. They went too far toward the Muslim world, not enough toward Zionists etc. But insolent derision was their leitmotiv, their only motive AFAIK.

Division is everywhere ambushed, to the profit of the PTB.
 
Alfisti said:
RT are reporting a link between the shooters and the underwear bomber.

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/01/13/392957/Info-confirms-CIA-link-to-Parris-attack

This Guardian article from 2012 reports that the underwear bomber was working for the CIA:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/may/09/underwear-bomber-working-for-cia

Although this remains circumstantial, to my mind it's a step in the right direction..
CIA or Mossad elements in CIA?. Yes, it is still CIA, but it is amazing how Mossad and Israel gets away with the crime with layers of infiltration/protection and media in their pocket.
 
[quote author=Iron]
Interesting this piece of information of the guy that was fired for being "anti-semitic".

What keeps bugging me is why the Charlie Hebdo? Surely the intention was not to cause any major losses for the French economy and inner workings, but why exactly this newspaper? Why not take the opportunity to kill some of the good guys and blame on the terrorists?

They deliberately choose a racist rag that was headed for bankrupcy. I still don't get this part of their plan.
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I think this relates to the discussion in the Archetypes and Self Expression thread. The thread has a lot of overlap with this topic and would be good to check out if any have missed it. It seems people are aligning themselves with a rather hideous archetype under the guise of 'freedom of expression'.
 
Eos said:
people gathered not only through fear but many through hope and commitment !

It would be interesting that all those people on Internet (those who are interested in what happens in this world), start to run viral counter-propaganda of the same style. Eg: "Je suis Gaza!", or "Je suis Palestine", "Je suis Arab", "Je suis Muslim", like Norman Finkelstein and Gilad Atzmon do.

_http://normanfinkelstein.com/2015/01/10/je-suisgaza/
_http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/2015/1/11/je-suis-gaza

Edit: explicitness.
 
Fox News upped the level of insanity (or perhaps just are showing the 'message' clearly). If you think we're Not repeating history right now go watch it.
*warning - insanity ahead*
_http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/this-is-ridiculous-even-for-fox-news--eyBL0Z525g
 
‌French:
http://quenelplus.com/a-la-une/dieudonne-en-garde-a-vue.html

English:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/quenelle-comedian-dieudonne-arrested-for-apology-for-terrorism-9976667.html

He had actually said:

“After this historic, no legendary, march, a magic moment equal to the Big Bang which created the Universe, or in a smaller (more local) way comparable to the crowning of the (ancient Gaullish king) Vercingétorix, I am going home. Let me say that this evening, as far as I am concerned, I feel I am Charlie Coulibaly."

"What he had meant to say on Facebook, he said, was that "I am considered like another Amedy Coulibaly when in fact I am no different from Charlie."

"The Prime Minister Manuel Valls made an impassioned attack on the comedian in the National Assembly on Tuesday. He called him a "peddler of hate and said there should be no confusion between the 'impertinent' satire of Charlie Hebdo and 'anti-semitism, racism and negationism'."
 
RedFox said:
Fox News upped the level of insanity (or perhaps just are showing the 'message' clearly). If you think we're Not repeating history right now go watch it.
*warning - insanity ahead*
_http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/this-is-ridiculous-even-for-fox-news--eyBL0Z525g

That was mind-numbing. She's not an actual judge is she? But she still uses the title right?

"Judge": "Are we morons?"

Me: "err.. What?"

"Judge": "Are we morons?"

Me: "Well, is a virus aware that it's going to destroy itself by infecting & destroying the host?"

"Judge": "Excuse me?!"

Me:"No, I won't."

Seriously though, "bomb them, bomb them, & then bomb them again." WTF?! And as for "we need to kill them. We need to kill them", I'm sure I've heard that from a horror flick, one of those where someone gets possessed & starts hearing voices telling them to "kill them all." Actually, these days, there's a growing suspicion in my mind that some of these psychopaths not only hate everyone & everything in creation including themselves, they actually want to kill everyone & everything in creation, including themselves. It's like that 6-D STS thought level of/for reflection thingy in The Wave. Creatures like this "woman" (cuz there's nothing really feminine about her other than superficial appearance) bring that STS level of "wanting to return to sleep" idea crashing into everyday consciousness. For me at least. Anyone checked some of the "fruitcake" comments? "Judge for president, you've got my vote!" :shock:
 
RedFox said:
Fox News upped the level of insanity (or perhaps just are showing the 'message' clearly). If you think we're Not repeating history right now go watch it.
*warning - insanity ahead*
_http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/this-is-ridiculous-even-for-fox-news--eyBL0Z525g

Insanity has no limits, osit.
Thanks for posting it.
After I had my initial knee jerk reaction, what this woman did is a hate speech, not only
that, but her speech is confusing , on purpose of course, nothing works better for her kind than confusing the mass of people!
Same old tactics.
Psychopath. :barf:

I'm recommending on FB "Defying Hitler".
 
Ascien said:
RedFox said:
Fox News upped the level of insanity (or perhaps just are showing the 'message' clearly). If you think we're Not repeating history right now go watch it.
*warning - insanity ahead*
_http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/this-is-ridiculous-even-for-fox-news--eyBL0Z525g

That was mind-numbing. She's not an actual judge is she? But she still uses the title right?

"Judge": "Are we morons?"

Me: "err.. What?"

"Judge": "Are we morons?"

Me: "Well, is a virus aware that it's going to destroy itself by infecting & destroying the host?"

"Judge": "Excuse me?!"

Me:"No, I won't."

Seriously though, "bomb them, bomb them, & then bomb them again." WTF?! And as for "we need to kill them. We need to kill them", I'm sure I've heard that from a horror flick, one of those where someone gets possessed & starts hearing voices telling them to "kill them all." Actually, these days, there's a growing suspicion in my mind that some of these psychopaths not only hate everyone & everything in creation including themselves, they actually want to kill everyone & everything in creation, including themselves. It's like that 6-D STS thought level of/for reflection thingy in The Wave. Creatures like this "woman" (cuz there's nothing really feminine about her other than superficial appearance) bring that STS level of "wanting to return to sleep" idea crashing into everyday consciousness. For me at least. Anyone checked some of the "fruitcake" comments? "Judge for president, you've got my vote!" :shock:

This is simply hateful propaganda and should be ban right now. Google should ban this video! Or not? But we know better than that, are we? Perfect example how hateful these people are, racists and un-educated, plain of disgust provoking disgusting. How shameful they are. And liars.

:barf: :pinocchio:
 
Many Russian media sources (such as Perm (Urals), Kamchatka (Far East)) say that Roscomnadzor (Russian media regulatory authority) called them and/or sent them letters re Charlie Hebdo: publishing their racist caricatures are forbidden in Russia and will be prosecuted by the law.

Turkey forbids them too.

Not much yet, but still better than nothing. :rolleyes:
 
Siberia said:
Many Russian media sources (such as Perm (Urals), Kamchatka (Far East)) say that Roscomnadzor (Russian media regulatory authority) called them and/or sent them letters re Charlie Hebdo: publishing their racist caricatures are forbidden in Russia and will be prosecuted by the law.

Turkey forbids them too.

Not much yet, but still better than nothing. :rolleyes:

Also in Senegal this new Charlie will be prohibited.
 
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7nXqxRbdzWk

I saw this video today. Poroshenko is laughing; others politics (not all) are also smiling and look happy on such a day that is supposed to be sad. And they are waving… looking like warriors returning from a victory battle. The only thing missing are welcoming rose petals but at least this one received one. :) -
_http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11341972/Charlie-Hebdo-staff-cant-contain-laughter-as-bird-poos-on-Francois-Hollande-during-Paris-unity-rally.html
Either it’s a sign or there were a lot birds.
 

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