French Presidential Elections 2017: Fillon vs Macron vs Le Pen

Also watched an interesting video from Michel Onfray, commenting the results, who now says things really similar to Asselineau, but in a different way and with a philosophical perspective.

_https://www.facebook.com/michelonfray/videos/vb.1734051696812751/1875998629284723/?type=2&theater
 
dredger said:
Hello,
Just watched this video/interview from E. Chouard which is very interesting to listen in the actual context in France but also regarding the topics discussed here in this thread :
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9mC_cCJXRo

It's in french of course, but i tested and the automatic sub-titles + automatic traduction in english seems quite ... ok, quite enough to understand almost all the argumentation of Chouard. I even think that some of the args he explains and they way he present them could be useful for Joe if he's willing (and have time) to write further articles on the subject. Great speech again from Mr Chouard who is definitively a good, clever and smart guy !

That was worth listening to, thank you. I really liked the way he kept separating fascism from racism, and how without necessarily taking sides, he destroyed the propaganda very simply. I'm not so sure that the chances of LePen are SO slim (not yet, anyway). But it's refreshing to see someone explain how the current "république" is the slow "fascim" that is destroying people.
 
Chu said:
dredger said:
Hello,
Just watched this video/interview from E. Chouard which is very interesting to listen in the actual context in France but also regarding the topics discussed here in this thread :
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9mC_cCJXRo

It's in french of course, but i tested and the automatic sub-titles + automatic traduction in english seems quite ... ok, quite enough to understand almost all the argumentation of Chouard. I even think that some of the args he explains and they way he present them could be useful for Joe if he's willing (and have time) to write further articles on the subject. Great speech again from Mr Chouard who is definitively a good, clever and smart guy !

That was worth listening to, thank you. I really liked the way he kept separating fascism from racism, and how without necessarily taking sides, he destroyed the propaganda very simply. I'm not so sure that the chances of LePen are SO slim (not yet, anyway). But it's refreshing to see someone explain how the current "république" is the slow "fascim" that is destroying people.
Thank you, I watched it too. His explantion of what fascism means in our time is useful.

Minute 3:01 "For me facism is a Holland, a Sarkozy - excuse me. For me it is about the owners, the bankers and the industrialist and the multinationals of chemistry of ..., the multinationals like IG Farben that take control of politics, which turn deeply against communism and labour unions, which condemn us to forced labour to hinder our resistance. That's facism. The most rich take complete control of politique, and terrorise the population so that it accepts forced labour. That's facism. It is not racism. Facism is not racism. When they say that facism is racism, they make us digress (3:42) ... "

Around minute 5:39 he says that Le Front National used to be a ultraliberal, but now it it anti-liberal. He claims that Alain Soral assisted in pulling FN to the left.
I looked up Alain Soral _https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_Soral
[...]Soral was originally a communist and later worked for the far-right National Front before leaving in 2009.[...]

E: Chouard mentions in another video _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuOn4hrI2VY around minute 1:50 that 9 billionaires control all the main media outlets (In France), and they all support Macron. He calls the mass medias "the pravda of the billionaries" and says that candidate wins, who is supported by "the pravda of the billionaries". Pravda means truth, thus one could translate to "the truth og the billionaires".
 
Ellipse said:
MK Scarlett said:
That's indeed a good move. I also thought on yesterday evening, that she could have done another one weeks ago: resign as a Member of European Parliament. She might do so before the second round, I cannot exclude it. But I do really think that it would have been a very smart move going to the same way than her politics vis-à-vis of the European Union, giving some weight to her narrative in this matter. Or am I wrong?

Her immunity would be removed and they would immediately fall on her as they already try and has they did with Fillon, arguing fabricated reasons if needed. You don't throw your shield in the middle of the battle. :)

Good point Ellipse, I was wrong then, thanks for pointing this out to me.

Chu said:
dredger said:
Hello,
Just watched this video/interview from E. Chouard which is very interesting to listen in the actual context in France but also regarding the topics discussed here in this thread :
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9mC_cCJXRo

It's in french of course, but i tested and the automatic sub-titles + automatic traduction in english seems quite ... ok, quite enough to understand almost all the argumentation of Chouard. I even think that some of the args he explains and they way he present them could be useful for Joe if he's willing (and have time) to write further articles on the subject. Great speech again from Mr Chouard who is definitively a good, clever and smart guy !

That was worth listening to, thank you. I really liked the way he kept separating fascism from racism, and how without necessarily taking sides, he destroyed the propaganda very simply. I'm not so sure that the chances of LePen are SO slim (not yet, anyway). But it's refreshing to see someone explain how the current "république" is the slow "fascim" that is destroying people.

Indeed, this is public utility too, shared on my FB.

There are several petitions on Social network calling to withdraw the election for irregularities; Not that it would change really anything, but it also is a marker of how some people are very very angry. The number of the irregularities pointed out by MSM which are not available anymore (Not Found) is astonishing:

http://www.lexpress.fr/.../radies-des-listes-mal-inscrits...

https://www.francebleu.fr/.../quelques-couacs-sur-les...

http://m.leparisien.fr/.../clichy-la-garenne-plus-d-un...

http://www.europe1.fr/.../presidentielle-que-faire-si...

http://www.slate.fr/.../deception-vote-bureau-electeurs

http://m.leparisien.fr/.../val-de-marne-81-305-electeurs...

http://m.leparisien.fr/.../93-des-centaines-de-non...

http://www.estrepublicain.fr/.../la-revolte-du-radie-des...

https://titrespresse.com/.../villes-electeurs-saisissent...

http://desiebenthal.blogspot.ch/.../fraudes-electorales...

http://portail.free.fr/.../6965485_20170415_il-y-aurait...

http://www.nicematin.com/.../7600-nicois-nont-pas-pu...

https://lecourrier-du-soir.com/.../bulletins-de-vote.../

http://www.nordlittoral.fr/.../des-centaines-d-electeurs...

https://www.marianne.net/.../500000-cartes-d-electeurs-en...

https://www.lefigaro.fr/.../resultats/rhone-69/lyon-69123/
0 votes blancs à Lyon.

https://titrespresse.com/.../queue-en-brie-electeurs...

http://www.lemonde.fr/.../le-mystere-de-la-disparition-du...

http://www.lemainelibre.fr/.../le-mans-tsunami-d...

http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/.../17-000-personnes...

http://www.mesopinions.com/.../commission-enquete.../29785

https://www.francebleu.fr/.../un-bug-informatique...

http://www.nicematin.com/.../7600-nicois-nont-pas-pu...

http://www.ledauphine.com/.../le-president-d-un-bureau-de...

http://www.lemonde.fr/.../dans-plusieurs-villes-des...

http://www.rtl.fr/.../election-presidentielle-des...

https://actu.fr/.../presidentielle-pourquoi-5-000...

https://lareleveetlapeste.fr/face-aux-irregularites.../

http://lecourrier-du-soir.com/.../bulletins-de-vote.../

http://www.lexpress.fr/.../radies-des-listes-mal-inscrits...

Also, Investig'Action, the website of Michel Collon (potentially others?) claims that their are victim of a hacker attack: _https://www.facebook.com/InvestigAction/posts/10154883794957935
 
Pierre said:
Today, both Le Pen and Macron visited the Whirlpool factory located in Amiens, France. The factory is about to be delocalized in a cheaper country. The two candidates delivered very different speeches and triggered very different reactions from the workers:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-26/macron-booed-jeered-factory-workers-his-hometown-after-le-pen-ambush

Interesting Pierre. Here an article of Thierry Meyssan who says than Macron probably will win..

http://www.voltairenet.org/article196096.html
 
MK Scarlett said:
There are several petitions on Social network calling to withdraw the election for irregularities; Not that it would change really anything, but it also is a marker of how some people are very very angry. The number of the irregularities pointed out by MSM which are not available anymore (Not Found) is astonishing:

Wow, all the MSM ones are gone. Nothing about it in anglophone press.
 
Nearly 100 000 signatures on this petition which say :

For the attention: of all the citizens
Because there is a strong feeling of mistrust within the French population voter when in the impartiality of the results of the ballots with the aim of the presidential election 2017.

Suspicions of manipulations and corruptions within the bodies asked to watch the impartiality of the ballots.

Us, French people, ask for a commission of inquiry and/or audit of the various concerned members.

In one concerns of transparency and to rule out any will of misappropriation of the votes in an undemocratic purpose and the personal interests of the present candidates for the stemming from the votes.

The report of this survey must be subjected to the study by an independent and competent authority to estimate the possible threat at the good progress of the votes.

_http://www.mesopinions.com/petition/politique/commission-enquete-resultats-votes-election-presidentielle/29785
 
Another proof of the collusion between the MSM and the PTB, as represented by Macron: on this video, you see a BFMTV journalist giving a high five to Macron before interviewing him (filmed today before Macron's rally in the town of Arras, France):

https://www.facebook.com/LeJournalduSiecle/videos/1365059333580563/
https://www.facebook.com/LaFranceAvenir/videos/10154632822801608/?hc_ref=PAGES_TIMELINE

:shock:
 
Soral give some informations he got through the contacts he have (government contacts I guess) about the results of the elections:
- Mélenchon set to 19% but was lower, perhaps 17% (so he can't denounce the fraud)
- Hamon lowered (in reality he was upper than 6.5%)

He is not fair with Asselineau because when asked about him he use the argument of his result (0.8%), to say he do not count, without doubting of the result.

_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_Dkv66Bb1g
 
About the rig of the elections, interesting article posted on the site of the Moutons Enragés :
_http://lesmoutonsenrages.fr/2017/04/28/une-zone-dombre-sur-6-millions-delecteurs/

In the few comments present at this moment, there's one I spotted which is much interesting, the one posted by Ularius this friday morning stating that he followed the "examination" (dépouillement in french) of the votes and that the results were "astonishing" in comparison with the final results, i even myself have difficult to believe the real results are near the first numbers given by the author of the post as they area so much different from the final and official results from the ministry of interior, with Le Pen at 25%, Melenchon at 23, Lassale (!?) at 17% and all other less than 10%. As worth it to read also than the main article subject.
 
Niall said:
MK Scarlett said:
There are several petitions on Social network calling to withdraw the election for irregularities; Not that it would change really anything, but it also is a marker of how some people are very very angry. The number of the irregularities pointed out by MSM which are not available anymore (Not Found) is astonishing:

Wow, all the MSM ones are gone. Nothing about it in anglophone press.
When I first read your surprise, it was so short, I did not even get it. But then I began clicking on the links. Although the two last links are repeated elsewhere, what is left at this moment is just:

http://lecourrier-du-soir.com/2017/04/24/bulletins-de-vote-disparus-electeurs-radies-la-presidentielle-francaise-a-t-elle-ete-truquee/
https://lareleveetlapeste.fr/face-aux-irregularites-scrutin-electeurs-souhaitent-reelection/
The rest is "Error 404" which by now hides more about the French elections than any other :D Well, there is the possibility that some of the links in the list are incorrect to begin with and that the article do exist but have a different link.

The disappearing of pages is a trend to watch. Journalists and editors may post stuff and be honest in their job, but then it gets sidelined or withdrawn. That print screen function needs to be used, to take stills that can document a reality that is being manipulated. Perhaps some of the web pages from where the reports disappeared have hard copy magazines and news papers, where some of the removed content can be found.
 
thorbiorn said:
Niall said:
MK Scarlett said:
There are several petitions on Social network calling to withdraw the election for irregularities; Not that it would change really anything, but it also is a marker of how some people are very very angry. The number of the irregularities pointed out by MSM which are not available anymore (Not Found) is astonishing:

Wow, all the MSM ones are gone. Nothing about it in anglophone press.
When I first read your surprise, it was so short, I did not even get it. But then I began clicking on the links. Although the two last links are repeated elsewhere, what is left at this moment is just:

_http://lecourrier-du-soir.com/2017/04/24/bulletins-de-vote-disparus-electeurs-radies-la-presidentielle-francaise-a-t-elle-ete-truquee/
_https://lareleveetlapeste.fr/face-aux-irregularites-scrutin-electeurs-souhaitent-reelection/
The rest is "Error 404" which by now hides more about the French elections than any other :D Well, there is the possibility that some of the links in the list are incorrect to begin with and that the article do exist but have a different link.
[...]
Okay, I tried that approach. After consulting with a :pirate: and an :osama: I found that:
_https://www.francebleu.fr/.../quelques-couacs-sur-les
should not have led to a 404, but to:
_https://www.francebleu.fr/infos/politique/quelques-couacs-sur-les-listes-electorales-en-cote-d-or-au-premier-tour-de-la-presidentielle-1493051482
and that
_http://www.lemonde.fr/.../dans-plusieurs-villes-des
which is a 404 should really be:
_http://www.lemonde.fr/election-presidentielle-2017/article/2017/04/23/dans-plusieurs-villes-des-electeurs-saisissent-le-tribunal-apres-avoir-ete-radies-des-listes_5115944_4854003.html

If anyone is interested in solving the riddles of the other 404 errors then here is some help using the first "link" as an example
It is listed as _http://www.lexpress.fr/.../radies-des-listes-mal-inscrits... When one wishes to open the link or looks into the address then there is only _http://www.lexpress.fr/.../radies-des-listes-mal-inscrits
The problem is that this is shortened and something is missing. How can we repair the link or find the original with only this incomplete data? One chance is that we go into a reasonable search engine and type up a text which basically gives the source and some string of data that we think is correct and which we can get from the incomplete link. In this case I typed the text between the arrows:
<le express radies-des-listes-mal-inscrits> and in the search results there was this:
_http://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/societe/radies-des-listes-mal-inscrits-ces-francais-qui-ne-voteront-pas-malgre-eux_1900773.html

If you try with this one
https://www.lefigaro.fr/.../resultats/rhone-69/lyon-69123/
0 votes blancs à Lyon.
you should find _https://www.lefigaro.fr/elections/resultats/rhone-69/lyon-69123/

A last example:
https://www.marianne.net/.../500000-cartes-d-electeurs-en...
For this, and this may be enough in many cases, I only searched for </500000-cartes-d-electeurs-en> This led to
_https://www.marianne.net/politique/500000-cartes-d-electeurs-en-doublon-et-si-la-presidentielle-etait-faussee but it is reposted elsewhere, therefore the following page also came up: _http://sam-menerveovb.over-blog.com/2017/04/500.000-cartes-d-electeurs-en-doublon-et-si-la-presidentielle-etait-faussee.html
While my hopes for the French elections are dwindling, the hopes of seeing smoke are increasing.
 
Great. How many of those articles are still online? Can you post a list of functioning links here? Thanks.
 
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