French Presidential Elections 2017: Fillon vs Macron vs Le Pen

[Jacques]

There was a really interesting interview of Thierry Meyssan on MetaTV on the 17th April, about Trump's apparent turnaround (and more generally, the Deep State): _https://meta.tv/thierry-meyssan-sur-le-revirement-de-trump

I mention it in this thread because at one point, Meyssan and the 2 interviewers (Tepa and Alain Benajam, the co-founder of the Voltaire Network) discuss the National Front's creation.

Thanks Adaryn for the link. Very interesting interview.

 

[Gaby]

I think that some online polls are falsified to favor Macron. I've seen up to 51% votes to Macron while LePen gets 16%. Or maybe some sectors of the French population really favor the guy.

_https://www.legeneraliste.fr/a-vous-la-parole/sondage/2017/04/28/quallez-vous-faire-pour-le-deuxieme-tour-de-lelection-presidentielle-_310446

 

[Gawan]

I think that some online polls are falsified to favor Macron. I've seen up to 51% votes to Macron while LePen gets 16%. Or maybe some sectors of the French population really favor the guy.

_https://www.legeneraliste.fr/a-vous-la-parole/sondage/2017/04/28/quallez-vous-faire-pour-le-deuxieme-tour-de-lelection-presidentielle-_310446

I would think so too. I don't think that any western and foreign magazines are reporting the truth at all and it would be interesting to see what other and also alternative French newspapers are reporting. At least voltairenet is one of the few to count on imo.

 

[Ennio]

The following article may explain why Le Pen may actually take the election (if the French don't have a deep and sophisticated vote rigging mechanism that is). If she does win, then it would be very satisfying to see yet another cookie cutter establishment figure get taken down.

French physicist Serge Galam says math supports Le Pen victory, correctly predicted Trump, Brexit

According to French physicist Serge Galam, a victory for populist anti-mass migration presidential candidate Marine Le Pen is entirely possible due to a phenomenon known as differentiated abstention. Professor Galam, who works as a research director at the French National Centre for Scientific Research (CNRS), says the science proves the possibility of a Le Pen victory, SFR reports.

"Differentiated abstention" is the key, according to Galam, who defined the term as: "The gap between the vote intention declared in the polls and the actual vote."

Galam says it is incredibly unlikely that those who voted for Le Pen in the first round of the French presidential elections last Sunday will vote for Macron, guaranteeing her a sizeable base. He also said it is unlikely all those who oppose Le Pen are guaranteed to support her opponent Emmanuel Macron who is unpopular with far left and conservative voters.

"With less than 50 per cent of voting intentions, Marine Le Pen can end up with more than 50 per cent of the votes cast," Galam said.

Serge Galam has a history of accurate predictions over the last two years. In June of 2016, he correctly predicted the Leave campaign would win the Brexit vote. In November, he predicted Donald Trump would win the U.S. presidency, and recently predicted that popular French politician Alain Juppé would lose the Republican primary.

 

[luc]

The following article may explain why Le Pen may actually take the election (if the French don't have a deep and sophisticated vote rigging mechanism that is). If she does win, then it would be very satisfying to see yet another cookie cutter establishment figure get taken down.

French physicist Serge Galam says math supports Le Pen victory, correctly predicted Trump, Brexit

Interesting! I think it's safe to say at this point that IF Macaroni wins, it will be thanks to massive rigging. This might actually be the next best scenario: he wins, but the rigging will be so blunt and obvious that it's difficult to cover it up. Maybe this will provide a big red pill for many people, at least those who are not total authoritarian followers - the man behind the curtain will become much more visible. Osit.

 

[Adaryn]

A part of Le Pen's speech on the 23th April, after the 1st round, is available with English subtitles here:
https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/10154777527176939/

“It is time to free France”.
Marine Le Pen calls on “honest patriots” to seize “this historic opportunity” after making it through to the second round of the French Presidential election.

 

[Alana]

What do you guys think of Macron's history with his school teacher? The age difference isn't the problem, but I do find the whole thing of how this teacher had her eyes on him when he was a teenager and her pupil, and vice versa, a bit peculiar. That's not quite normal, osit.

I find it disturbing. It is said that he was 15 and she 39 when she was his teacher, and they started a relationship when he was 16. I can't imagine why his parents (who apparently opposed this relationship from the begginning) did not file charges against her. Imagine a situation where a 40 y.o. male married teacher is having a relationship with his 16 year female student!

If it previously wasn't obvious that Macron was an Establishment pick, it should be now:

French Presidential Candidate Bans Kremlin's RT, Sputnik From Campaign Headquarters

The Russian state news services have been denied accreditation by Emmanuel Macron. The Kremlin's international TV news outlet RT has cried foul over a decision by French presidential candidate Emmanuel Macron to ban it, along with affiliated radio outlet Sputnik, from his campaign headquarters.

Campaign staff for Macron told media outlets that RT and Sputnik spread "fake news" and seek to undermine the independent candidate's campaign.

My husband was watching RT live the night of the election, and he told me that they did not allow the RT crew to be present during Macron's speech after the results.

From Duran:

RT banned from Macron events. Is a national ban next?

Emmanuel Macron's campaign refused to give press passes to RT's journalists and crew. As a result RT could not enter Macron's victory rally.

Despite asking for full press accreditation in April, the Macron campaign did not give RT what is a standard press credential to cover major campaign events. According to RT, Emmanuel Macron’s campaign didn’t give an actual reason for denying RT’s journalists and crew passes. They instead, repeatedly stated, “They are still being processed”.

Because RT never got the passes, RT’s journalists and crew had to cover the Macron victory rally from outside the hall. None of the other candidates denied RT access to their events, including Marine Le Pen who will now face Macron in the second round of elections in two weeks.

Macron’s hostile attitude to RT throughout the campaign was surely the reason that the broadcaster was denied access to his event last night.

One of Macron’s campaign aids, a man called Mounir Mahjoubi accused RT as well as Sputnik of spreading ‘false information’ about Macron and even more bizarrely, said that the Russian media outlets were working with ‘fascist organisations or extreme right news organisations’.

Not only are these insulting and baseless accusations, but in fact the opposite is true. RT and Sputnik have both been on the front lines exposing fascism where it actually does exist. RT and Sputnik have covered the fascist led coup in Ukraine and its blood-soaked aftermath in great depth while many western, including many French media outlets have simply ignored the events.

RT responded to the accusations saying,

“It seems that it has become acceptable to level such serious charges at RT without presenting any evidence to substantiate them, as well as to apply this ‘fake news’ label to any reporting that one might simply find unfavourable”.

If Macron becomes the next French President what will this mean for RT and moreover, what will it mean for freedom of the press in modern France?

The attitude Macron’s campaign has displayed towards RT is simply appalling. Few journalistic organisations operating in the modern market place of ideas can really influence an election beyond giving air time to the candidates themselves.

If giving air time to candidates that many in the MSM wrote off as ‘losers’ is a crime, then RT is guilty. I prefer to refer to this as having balance which is the only thing that one could accuse RT of promulgating during its election coverage.

The question must be asked, if Macron becomes President will he ban RT from France? I wouldn’t put it past him to do something like that. That sounds a lot like the ‘creeping fascism’ which the MSM associate with Marine Le Pen. The irony beggars belief.

 

[aragorn]

What do you guys think of Macron's history with his school teacher? The age difference isn't the problem, but I do find the whole thing of how this teacher had her eyes on him when he was a teenager and her pupil, and vice versa, a bit peculiar. That's not quite normal, osit.

I find it disturbing. It is said that he was 15 and she 39 when she was his teacher, and they started a relationship when he was 16. I can't imagine why his parents (who apparently opposed this relationship from the begginning) did not file charges against her. Imagine a situation where a 40 y.o. male married teacher is having a relationship with his 16 year female student!

Yes, it is disturbing, and gives the flavor of perversion or something even worse going on back then. I'm just surprised how little this "card" is played by his opponents. Are they afraid that talking about his (perverted) love life would be considered cheap, and backfire? Or, is it because this happens in France, where "love conquers all obstacles" and "in war and love everything is allowed"? ;D

 

[MK Scarlett]

This video is from an Italian psychiatrist. It is in Italian and French subtitles, sorry about that. But, the main point is that Macron is a psychopath was was raped by the one who became his wife, driving him to this high narcissism and others things explained in this video making him a psychopath, a very dangerous man. That's what I say about him from the very beginning in my personal conversations. I saw the psychopath and my husband saw the created puppet.

For those who understand Italian and/or French, you will easily recognize what we have learned about psychopaths that rule the World here on the forum (and their mechanics to get more authoritarian followers, aka, victims in the first place), as well as works like those written by Andrew Lobaczewski, Robert Hare, Martha Stout, Natasha Walter and Laura of course.

That's the first time I hear a psychiatrist giving a diagnostic of an electable candidate. That should be the rule.

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I'll start to translate them in English on this afternoon, and will report as soon as it is done; I hope before tomorrow.

 

[Adaryn]

What do you guys think of Macron's history with his school teacher? The age difference isn't the problem, but I do find the whole thing of how this teacher had her eyes on him when he was a teenager and her pupil, and vice versa, a bit peculiar. That's not quite normal, osit.

I find it disturbing. It is said that he was 15 and she 39 when she was his teacher, and they started a relationship when he was 16. I can't imagine why his parents (who apparently opposed this relationship from the begginning) did not file charges against her. Imagine a situation where a 40 y.o. male married teacher is having a relationship with his 16 year female student!

Yes, it is disturbing, and gives the flavor of perversion or something even worse going on back then. I'm just surprised how little this "card" is played by his opponents. Are they afraid that talking about his (perverted) love life would be considered cheap, and backfire? Or, is it because this happens in France, where "love conquers all obstacles" and "in war and love everything is allowed"? ;D

There's definitely something disturbing and twisted in this "love" story, as well as the rumors claiming that Macron is the lover of Matthieu Gallet, the boss of Radio France. Indeed, there have been rumors (all denied by Macron and his circle) that Macron is gay.
Of course, these are only rumors, and there isn't any hard "evidence", yet I find it "funny" that Macron's head (photoshopped on the nude body of a male model) recently appeared on the cover of a gay magazine:
https://www.queerty.com/french-presidential-hopeful-emmanuel-macron-appears-topless-cover-gay-magazine-20170502

I recently came across an interesting article about Macron's circle. Though some of the alleged connexions presented in this article must be taken with caution because there's no proof of any affair between Macron and Gallet, still, you'll appreciate Gallet's background and links to certain deviant individuals such as Bob Wilson (a friend of Marina Abramovic):
_https://oddr.ovh/site/dossier-macrongate-macron-lie-aux-reseaux-pedophiles/

What is provably true is that, in 1999, one of Macron's top campaign adviser, Jean-Marc Borello, was condemned to a suspended sentence of 6 months for "facilitating" drug trafficking in the famous Parisian night-club, the Palace, of which he was the manager at the time: http://www.valeursactuelles.com/politique/borello-le-pilier-de-la-campagne-de-macron-condamne-de-la-prison-sursis-73234

More concerning, in 2004-2006, Borello was involved in a trial regarding a "high profile" pedophile scandal in France, where he was cited as a character witness of the defendant, Robert Mégel:
http://www.liberation.fr/societe/2006/05/06/defile-chic-pour-defendre-l-ex-educateur-des-tournelles_38396
Robert Mégel, a high official in France, was the head of a "rehabilitation center"/shelter for teenage delinquents (mostly boys). The so-called center was a very luxurious castle called "Les Tournelles". Over many years, he abused kids in this center, and prostituted and sold them in France and abroad to powerful clients (he often took the kids on trips to Morocco, night-clubs, fancy restaurants etc.). Megel was sentenced to 12 years in prison.

Another concerning fact is that Macron is supported by pro-pedophiles like Daniel Cohn-Bendit, among other shady characters.

 

[dredger]

Hello,

In order to add more information on the recent subject discussed here (macron's relationship), but also to make a parallel with psychopathy which is a very well known subject here on the forum, I "felt" on this video, an italian psychiatrist who gives his analysis on the candidate :
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNDgsw39m9s

It's in Italien, sub-title in french, and when you activate the auto-traduction in enligsh it seems to be ... correct.
I will not say that i'm ok with his explanations as don't have much knowledge in the domain, just that some things he says seem obvious, but for the rest ... can't say, I just feel that it's worth it to post it anyway.
I liked when he said that the "confrontation" with Marine is not only, in Macron's mind, a matter of politic, but that's it's also, if not mainly, a problem he probably have with the women in general. This made me thought about the imminent debate of today between both : I'm pretty sure that if Marine would be well advised by someone who well "understandd" the psychological profile of Macron, she could have not much difficulties to make macron loose his tempers during the debate and so help the french people to see the real perturbed guy behind this "colgate-white-teeth-smiling" face.
Well, did not expect to write this at begin, but now that I wrote it, let's say that I send 1 idea to the universe and it's that Macron just show himself as he is really during the debate, just that, i think this could lead to ... "let the cat out of the bag" (découvrir le pot aux roses) about him. Feel free to join in this demand "to the universe", and as the C's often say : it's fun (to practice, to experiment) :)

Cheers

 

[dredger]

This video is from an Italian psychiatrist. ...

Ahhh Scarlett, you just posted it a bit before me ! It's funny because this make me thinks that some "ideas" or some 'acts" are well shared by some people of the community. off-subject but due to time lacking, i did not (yet) subscribe to the crystal network project, maybe I should.
In order to add something : any politician should pass a psychological test, and even, a big head scanner to detect if he suffers of psychopathy (i think it's now possible) - in fact, I wrote once to Putin, through the official website (link was given in a thread +/- 1y before on the forum), and in my letter, my biggest suggestion was that Russia could become the first country to oblige politician to pass a psy test in order to ensure that they are not "mentally" ill just because managing a country and million of people it's a key responsibility and if we can "know" when someone is mentally ill, any new technic has to be used.

 

[Aeneas]

I came across an article by Alain Benajam yesterday where he says he will vote for Marine Le Pen on the 7th May.
Here's an improved Google translation:

_http://www.alain-benajam.com/2017/05/pourquoi-en-tant-que-marxiste-ex-communiste-et-juif-je-voterai-marine-le-pen-au-second-tour-des-elections-presidentielles-le-7-mai.h

Why, as a marxist, ex-communist and Jew, I will vote fore Marine Le Pen at the Second round of the presidential election:

The first-round, a low-level manipulation

1- The Anglo-Saxon Deep State wanted to destroy the old traditional parties, which are now completely discredited thanks to the action of social networks, and wanted to rebuild a new political force which they called "anti-system" out of mockery, in order to deceive the people. This political force had to be a single entity, but could only consist of former politicians from all the old parties of the right and left, something which Sarkozy already tried to do when he integrated "socialists" into his government. This party was to be strictly at the disposal of the US Deep State, and serve to further its warmongering agenda against Syria and Russia, especially after Trump's alignment with this agenda (the rest of the sentence is incomplete, so I leave it out).

2- They chose a puppet, Emmanuel Macron, just as they had chosen Obama. A young man, new, handsome (for the female electors). Behind this puppet, all the usual politicians were to rally eventually, obviously starting with the ones who were not so "stained" by the old powers, like Bayrou, and even and above all, former communists like Robert Hue or Patrick Braouzec. Their role was to give an anti-establishment "touch" to this new political group, just as the Deep State had chosen a black man in the USA to deceive the people.
First problem: Macron was a casting mistake. Even if he had proved efficient for the Rothschild Bank, which presented and promoted him, a good banker does not make a good politician. Macron quickly revealed himself as stupid, incompetent, not at all up to his mission.

3- To promote its candidate, the US Deep State had to sweep away the candidates who might overshadow him and who might become less obedient. The first to be destroyed was Fillon; the media heavy artillery was launched against him, and he was destroyed by the MSM, although he had committed no offense.

4. Then, as expected, the single and massive argument against Marine Le Pen – who had to face Macron (that was the plan of the Deep State) – was to call her a fascist. The personalities / politicians who have access to the MSM in France were tasked to do this. But in the first round campaign, that kind of argument was not very much used, since Le Pen's presence at the 2nd round was absolutely necessary (for the Deep State).

5- Patch-up job in the first round. The real polls weren't probably very favorable to the totally useless Macron, who accumulated blunders upon blunders. Obviously, the results were manipulated and many irregularities were committed and found out.

The second round, or the essence of the struggle

6- As expected, the candidate of the US Deep State and the globalist finance is now facing the nationalist candidate.
As expected, the "Le Pen fasciste" slogan was shouted by everyone in the media artillery; a slogan that was simple, unfounded, and which appealed more to the heart than to the mind of people. They all thought it would be a walk in the park. As expected, a pseudo-republican front was launched and joined by all the has-been politicians of the French misery, who either called to vote for Macron or called for abstention.

7- Marine Le Pen strikes back
First, a small Marxist aside.
Today, the main contradiction between capital and labor has shifted. Capital is now globalist and the main action of capitalist accumulation is through the indebtedness of nations. Virtual capitals are occasionally produced, but the enormous interests of these debts are paid by the money taken from all the French through Tax.
So the main contradiction is between nations and globalized finance.

The National Front, a classic nationalist party, found itself obliged to follow its own logic and thus to present a policy of fundamental opposition to globalized capitalism.
On the other hand, the former Communist Party and the left followed an opposite path. As soon as 1972, the French Communist Party shot himself in the foot by signing a joint program with the Socialist Party which, after the Liberation, had become an instrument in the hands of US imperialism. Like the National Front, the Communist Party continued its logic and, after morphing into a common leftist party, virtually disappeared.

The labour and revolutionary left was replaced by a liberal societal left, gathering only small bourgeois and wealthy people from the city centers. The Communist Party collapsed everywhere where its basic population was gradually being replaced by a massive immigration which obviously did not recognize itself in this party. The rest of the working class, seeing where its class interests lied, massively turned to the National Front.
Marine Le Pen's recent visit to the threatened Whirlpool factories soon to be relocated in Poland is a brilliant illustration: she was triumphantly welcomed while Macron, who arrived after her, was greeted with jeers.

8- The Social Networks strike back.
Today, much of the political communication is done through social networks, including Facebook and Twitter.
The gathering of all the old has-been politicians, the entire MSM and the wealthy celebrities around Macron has had the same effect as in the US with Trump. People have stopped trusting these institutions for a long time.
In spite of the endless repetition of the "Le Pen fasciste" slogan, the opposite effect is starting to be felt, especially as Macron is shining less and less due to his lack of political intelligence.
The "Le Pen Fasciste" slogan is an antithesis, because the National Front was the only party which criticized the Nazi coup in Ukraine and which supported the revolt of the Donbass people and their war against the real Ukrainian Nazis. The "Le Pen fasciste' slogan has proved at odds with the facts.

9- Today, there is a great deal of anxiety within the US Deep State and its puppets; a re-play of Trump's election against all odds might happen, because this moronic Macron makes people so sick, and because Le Pen's campaign is so clever.
This second round is morphing into a popular referendum initiative for or against capitalist globalization, for or against the independence of our nation.
Everyone will have to choose on which side they're on, because there are only two sides left. The "Le Pen fasciste" effect seems to be fading. Indeed if the National Front really was Nazi, fascist, negationist, it would be against the Gayssot Act, which is not the case. Therefore, the NF is a nationalist party embedded in the Republic.

10- The future of France is being played out through the complete reshaping of the political landscape and stakes. Now the class struggle is embodied by the opposition between Nationalists and Globalists, and it will be the same thing everywhere, in Europe as in the USA.
The endorsement of Le Pen by a few Gaullist figures, like Nicolas Dupont-Aigant and Marie-France Garaud, will un-demonize the nationalist struggle and open the floodgates for the French people's rush towards independence.

Thank you for that article by Alain Benajam.

I just received in the mail, the papers for voting on Sunday. Obviously the picture of Macron was on the front with Marine Le Pen hidden inside The foldouts from the two candidates are qualitatively different. The one from Macron is only fluff with no substance of what he wants. Only nice paroles. The foldout from Le Pen has to my mind much more substance of what she would like to implement. I tried to find the foldouts on the net to post here, but didn't succeed.

As Meyssan said in the videos that Adaryn posted earlier, there isn't that much real power that is vested in the position of being president of France, but the election of Marine Le Pen would still send a strong message and encourage others in Europe who wish to follow a path of national sovereignty and a path of less power to Globalisation in its current incarnation.

Funny, that while I was writing this post, an email from Marine le Pen came to my mail box about voting on Sunday (it of course gets sent to all eligible French voters).

 

[MK Scarlett]

[Snip]
That's the first time I hear a psychiatrist giving a diagnostic of an electable candidate. That should be the rule.

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I'll start to translate them in English on this afternoon, and will report as soon as it is done; I hope before tomorrow.

Hereafter the Google translated text:

Professor Adriano Segatori is an Italian psychiatrist and psychotherapist. His analysis of the profile of Emmanuel Macron, based in particular on his biography and his campaign images, leads him to conclude, in a very argumentative way: "Macron is a psychopath who works only for himself.".

The disturbing psychological profile of Emmanuel Macron

"My analysis of Emmanuel Macron comes both from the images I have in my possession and from the biography of which the candidate is claiming. The young Emmanuel Macron at the age of 15 suffered a serious sexual assault through his teacher who at the time was 39 years old.

Instead of the vision with the rose water of this union that could be defined grotesquely as a repairing marriage (to repair the rape), I see rather the fact that prematurely blocked the development of Emmanuel Macron during adolescence because of an operation of seduction both psychic and physical.

What has happened is both to go beyond the taboo and go beyond a limit. The very limit prescribed by the taboo. So the first passage was convinced that everything was allowed. Naturally, this feeling of total power took place within the good bourgeois society of Amiens - in the North of France.

If this union had taken place in the proletarian social environment, this environment which Emmanuel Macron despises deeply, well, Emmanuel Macron would have been destroyed and would be followed by the social services and Brigitte Macron in prison.

That is the sad truth. We are faced with a pedophile problem. Once the limits of the taboo were overcome, the idea of omnipotence specific to each child was later encouraged. Until it goes beyond its own overlap of reality which, reinforced by intellectual advantages, makes it extrapolate its personal limits.

The paradox is that it seems pathologically normal, but we are in full narcissism. Macron, from his youth, has an extraordinary ambition. He needs the gaze and admiration of others to compensate for an inferiority complex.

So we are confronted with three paradigms that define a certain type of personality:

• 1- The idea that there is no limit.
  
• 2- A feeling of omnipotence from childhood, but still more present in adulthood.
  
• 3- A narcissism that is not forbidden to define as malevolent.

What we see well in the crises of hysteria of Macron at the moment when admiration paled and underlines the weaknesses of its identity. This hysteria is characterized by her interest in theatrical productions which does not fail to remind her - troubling coincidence - her personal history with her teacher - who taught theater.

The psychopath is not trustworthy but succeeds through the fascination it exercises to convince its interlocutor. He has no remorse. When Macron speaks of the poor or insults the proletarians of the North by reducing them to smokers and alcoholics, when Macron denigrates women by reducing them to the rank of ignorant, we return in the speech explained by Jacques Lacan.

And it is true that he did not really want to say it, but his unconscious spoke for him. Because he believes in what he says and cannot help expressing it. Macron defends himself by altering the meaning of his statements - but never expressing remorse - because he feels no guilt.

So what is the problem from the psychiatric point of view? What is the character's dangerousness? I answer that there is no doubt: Emmanuel Macron, like all psychopaths is particularly dangerous.

An American intellectual specialized in the so-called "well-integrated disturbances" among notables - said verbatim: "Serial killer destroy families while psychopaths at the top of politics and economy ruin societies.".

Why is Macron dangerous? It is dangerous because:

• 1- Like all psychopaths, Macron has a high sense of himself.
  
• 2- Macron does not like France and does not fight for the people of France.
  
• 3- Macron loves himself enormously and struggles to maintain his fragile identity.

The confrontation with Marine Le Pen is not for him only a political conflict. He can not accept that a woman, the Marianne, the representative of France, is her antagonism. He needs a foster mother. Any other relationship with a woman becomes difficult to assume.

Thus, this fragility is very dangerous because, as for all psychopaths who work only for themselves, and who considers others as instruments for their own greatness, stresses in this case how dangerous a country such as France against a candidate of this kind.

 

[Oxajil]

According to the article, the reason given was that the official report regarding the sorting process was not delivered to the prefecture, because it was not printed on the evening of the election.

If true, they probably received orders to 'not print it' or to 'delay the delivery'. I think the residents have all the right to be upset about this as their votes have been pretty much labeled as ineligible. Hopefully their rigging and cancellation efforts won't be enough in the next round to steal the win from Le Pen. :/