I'm waiting curiously what will happen with this whole drama. Greece should take the helpful offers from BRICS / Russia/ China.
Greece: debt, creditors, austerity measures, Syriza, Varoufakis, Troika
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Mr.Cyan said:
Well it is a good news i think. If Greece breaks this hard slavery from IMF and all that Bankers gang maybe after a while they will have a better live. Maybe they will be an example for others to get free of the slavery.Maybe all this irracional psychopathic world will start to break up and maybe this is the start of it. I dont know how it will influence the Euro and our lives in general, but i know that we must destroy the old system if we want to build new, the better one.
A lot of questions on which we will get answers very soon.
clerck de bonk
Dagobah Resident
Should we expect terror attacks in Greece now? 
casper
The Living Force
The same thoughtRedFox said:clerck de bonk said:Should we expect terror attacks in Greece now?
That did cross my mind too.
I'd say economic attacks are more likely, and/or threats to the governments lives.
One is a Greek politician on her Facebook page a photograph of the entrance to the Nazi concentration camp of Auschwitz, which is famous inscription "Arbeit Macht Frei" altered and translated from the Greek reads: "We remain in Europe".
Although ugly looking, I think it is not far from the truth.
I would like to think the Greeks will stand their ground and by so doing bring the whole monstrous edifice down but I sadly doubt it. I think the pressure will really ramp up now. Like clerk de bonk and RedFox I will expect violent pressure be brought to bear and engineered civil strife on the streets led by so called opposition groups leading perhaps to a coup. There’s just too much at stake for the Psychopaths to let Greece win on their terms. Remember the Greek military has a history of intervening in politics there and I don’t suppose their NATO masters and EU over lords plus CIA and Mossad guiding hands will be slow in calling them to arms.
Greece & NATO: a long lasting relationship
http://www.nato.int/docu/review/2012/turkey-greece/greece-nato-partnership/en/index.htm
Watch out for signs of Ukraine part 2.
Greece & NATO: a long lasting relationship
http://www.nato.int/docu/review/2012/turkey-greece/greece-nato-partnership/en/index.htm
Watch out for signs of Ukraine part 2.
Michael BC said:
I think so. Yesterday I was listening a "specialist" about Greece in RFI. We know that RFI stinks propaganda. He said that Greece has some solutions one of them anticipated elections. Did I hear that Greeks don't want to leave Europe and manifested for it? This is strange. So maybe a copycat from others color revolutions will be seen in Greece very soon. :(
Greece to hold national referendum on debt deal
Wow, good move, somehow i feel that this move/strategy was probably discussed with Putin beforehand :).....and the timing of the announcement, just 9-10 days before the actual referendum, also minimises the chances of the Empire "interfering" with the referendum....
5th of July, 1 day after American independence day, another symbolic message maybe ?....hmmmmmmm
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Wow, good move, somehow i feel that this move/strategy was probably discussed with Putin beforehand :).....and the timing of the announcement, just 9-10 days before the actual referendum, also minimises the chances of the Empire "interfering" with the referendum....
5th of July, 1 day after American independence day, another symbolic message maybe ?....hmmmmmmm
Greece to hold national referendum on debt deal - PM
The Greek PM has announced a national referendum on July 5 on the conditions of the debt deal with international creditors. It’s up to the Greek people, Tsipras said, to make a fateful decision on the country’s sovereignty, independence and future.
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Seaniebawn
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Masterful stroke, considering that the population have been hammered so hard by austerity, get's him off the hook, by putting the vote to the people, and lessens the pressure the troika can apply to the Greece government seeing that it will be the will of the people, and not a political figure head, it's going to be fun to watch, what they'll pull out of the bag to try and salvage the situation, without the mask falling on the whole "freedom and democracy" schtick.
Great move, I'm sure Putin is schooling him well best of luck to the Greek people
Great move, I'm sure Putin is schooling him well best of luck to the Greek people
Seaniebawn said:Masterful stroke, considering that the population have been hammered so hard by austerity, get's him off the hook, by putting the vote to the people, and lessens the pressure the troika can apply to the Greece government seeing that it will be the will of the people, and not a political figure head, it's going to be fun to watch, what they'll pull out of the bag to try and salvage the situation, without the mask falling on the whole "freedom and democracy" schtick.
Great move, I'm sure Putin is schooling him well best of luck to the Greek people
I thought the same thing. Just like Crimea, this will allow Greece to possibly make a very UNPOPULAR decision (in the minds of their foreign masters), but with the full justification that it is a TRULY popular (i.e. from the Greek people) decision. Sure, Europe will throw a hissy fit, but Greece will only be doing what any "free democracy" should do. So it essentially uses the psychopaths' doublespeak against them. "You talk about freedom and democracy? Well, we actually follow the will of our people!" Clever, if that's the way it plays out.
I've been feeling like this with this Greek affair. Granted I feel deeply for the Greek people but hearing again and again about will they won't they default been played out on main stream news day in, day out has been draining.Kisito said:
I've had the thought recently that the whole affair dragged out by the PTB may be for the purpose of feeding for 4d. I hope they default and it cascades and the whole lot collapse's.i know thinks won't be easy but so tired of these dam psycho's and how they manipulate us all.
Good look to Greece! May you smash the millstone of debt from around your country and start again.
casper
The Living Force
If Greece leaves the eurozone, can get from the Schengen Agreement and the EU. What would happen?
There would be a lack of trust between European countries, Germany as leader, could be declared to be the main culprit for the failure of negotiations with Greece, Greece will look for new partners, and the first candidate to be Russia. Russia will have a direct impact in the Aegean Sea, Balkan countries will no longer be under the influence of the EU, NATO (due to the rapprochement of Greece and Russia, and thus opposition of Athens) will have a problem with consolidating their power in Eastern Europe ...
I do not believe that all will go so easily :(
Good luck Greece!!!
There would be a lack of trust between European countries, Germany as leader, could be declared to be the main culprit for the failure of negotiations with Greece, Greece will look for new partners, and the first candidate to be Russia. Russia will have a direct impact in the Aegean Sea, Balkan countries will no longer be under the influence of the EU, NATO (due to the rapprochement of Greece and Russia, and thus opposition of Athens) will have a problem with consolidating their power in Eastern Europe ...
I do not believe that all will go so easily :(
Good luck Greece!!!
Seaniebawn
Jedi Master
Approaching Infinity said:Seaniebawn said:Masterful stroke, considering that the population have been hammered so hard by austerity, get's him off the hook, by putting the vote to the people, and lessens the pressure the troika can apply to the Greece government seeing that it will be the will of the people, and not a political figure head, it's going to be fun to watch, what they'll pull out of the bag to try and salvage the situation, without the mask falling on the whole "freedom and democracy" schtick.
Great move, I'm sure Putin is schooling him well best of luck to the Greek people
I thought the same thing. Just like Crimea, this will allow Greece to possibly make a very UNPOPULAR decision (in the minds of their foreign masters), but with the full justification that it is a TRULY popular (i.e. from the Greek people) decision. Sure, Europe will throw a hissy fit, but Greece will only be doing what any "free democracy" should do. So it essentially uses the psychopaths' doublespeak against them. "You talk about freedom and democracy? Well, we actually follow the will of our people!" Clever, if that's the way it plays out.
I think it's a good example of Realpolitik, the West has gotten away with using force to achieve it's geopolitical end's that's it's forgot the finer points
or state craft, but I'd suppose it's the difference between a corrupt and failing empire, and a world order gradually leaning towards a true democracy.
Interesting time's considering the implications pointed out by Casper.
I agree with Casper, it will not be easy and some difficulties will arouse. Greece is a very important geopolitical country or not? for USA. So I don't think that the USA or Nato will look arms cross without doing nothing. It is a very tricky situation I think so....