Greece: debt, creditors, austerity measures, Syriza, Varoufakis, Troika

Thanks Alana for the translation of Tsipras speech, much appreciated.

Yeah, we certainly can't believe the MSM now, they are going to ramp up the propaganda and anxiety levels in the next few days...sigh! :mad: - an example on RT today, disproving statements from the BBC concerning the ECB cutting off of the Emergency liquidity assistance to Greek banks. Turns out this was not happening, and ECB is continuing the ELA :

http://rt.com/business/270235-greece-emergency-lending-cut/
 
Just read an article on the Saker by Andrew Korybko (which was earlier referenced by SeekinTruth in the Ukraine thread); that provides an interesting analysis on the current situation:

http://thesaker.is/eastring-vs-balkan-stream-the-battle-for-greece/

A (Greek) Fork In The Road

Although the debt crisis was long an issue since before Balkan Stream was even conceptualized, it’s now become intimately intertwined in the New Cold War energy drama unfolding in the Balkans. The Troika wants to force Tsipras to capitulate to an unpopular debt deal that would surely lead to the rapid end of his premiership. Right now, the main factor tying Balkan Stream to Greece is the Tsipras government, and it’s in Russia and the multipolar world’s best interests to see him remain in power until the pipeline can physically be constructed. Any sudden or unexpected change of leadership in Greece could easily endanger the political viability of Balkan Stream and force Russia into relying on Eastring, and it’s for these reasons why the Troika wants to force Tsipras into an inextricable dilemma.

If he accepts the current debt conditions, then he’ll lose the support of his base and likely usher in early elections or fall victim to a revolt from within his own party. On the other hand, if he rejects the proposal and allows Greece to default, then the resultant economic catastrophe could kill all grassroots support for him and prematurely end his political career. That’s why the decision to hold a national referendum on the debt deal was such a genius move, because it ensures that Tsipras has a chance of surviving the forthcoming political-economic firestorm over its democratically obtained results (which look to foretell a debt rejection and imminent default ). With the people on his side (no matter how narrowly), Tsipras could continue presiding over Greece as it crawls into an uncertain and troubling forthcoming period. Additionally, his continued stewardship of the country and the personal chemistry that he has with the BRICS leaders ( especially Vladimir Putin ) could lead to them extending some form of economic assistance (probably through the $100 billion BRICS New Development Bank or equally large currency reserve pool ) to Greece after their upcoming summit in Ufa in early July, provided that he can hang on to leadership until then.

Thus, the future of Balkan energy geopolitics currently comes down to whatever happens in Greece in the near future. While it’s possible that a Greek Prime Minister other than Tsipras could continue moving forward with Balkan Stream, the likelihood is significantly less than if Tsipras stayed put in office. Creating the conditions for his removal is the indirect way in which the US and EU prefer to influence the course of Russia’s future energy shipments through the Balkans, hence why such pressure is being applied on Tsipras at this moment. His referendum proposal clearly took them all by surprise, since real democracy is practically unheard of in Europe nowadays, and nobody expected him to directly refer to his constituents prior to making one of the country’s most pivotal decisions in decades. Through these means, he can escape the Catch-22 trap that the Troika set for him, and in doing so, also save the future of Balkan Stream.

Concluding Thoughts

There’s more to the Eastring pipeline proposal than initially meets the eye, hence the need to unravel the strategic motivations behind in it in order to better comprehend its asymmetrical impact. It’s clear that the US and EU want to neutralize the geopolitical applicability that Balkan Stream would have in spreading multipolarity throughout the region, which explains their tandem approach in trying to stop it. The US is stoking the flames of violent Albanian nationalism in Macedonia in order to obstruct Balkan Stream’s intended path, while the EU is handily proposing an alternative route through the unipolar-controlled Eastern Balkans as a predetermined ‘way out’ for Russia. Both Euro-Atlantic forces are conspiring together in indirectly trying to topple the Greek government through an engineered election or internal coup in order to remove Tsipras from office, knowing that this singular move would deal the greatest and most immediate blow to Balkan Stream. While it’s not clear what will eventually happen with Tsipras or Russia’s pipeline plans in general, it’s irrefutable that the Balkans have become one of the main and repeated flashpoints for the New Cold War, and the competition between the unipolar and multipolar worlds in this geostrategic theater is only just beginning to play out.
 
luke wilson said:
Seaniebawn said:
luke wilson said:
Ominous feelings about the whole thing. If they somehow manage to pull a Crimea, that'll be a miracle. The EU can't afford to lose Greece, you can imagine they'll go above and beyond, even if it means getting rid of the current government and having one more in-line with EU 'lets screw over Greece' ideology.

Well I'm hopeful, the PTB have 7 days to launch a campaign against the Greek people, to make the greek people give in to fear, I can't see it going the way they want, it's going on too long, regardless this will have big implications and will in the end if it passes be a death blow to the euro and the empire, it's horrible to imagine the what the implications will be, and the suffering it will cause but I think it needs to happen, and will happen eventually, The Greek people still have to make their choice, I'd know what I would choose, but we'll have to wait and see, and I can see the propaganda over the next few days reaching epic proportions.

Remember the referendum in Scotland. They can hack votes...
That's my concern, there's not such a thing as a fair vote IMO.
 
Thebull said:
luke wilson said:
Seaniebawn said:
Well I'm hopeful, the PTB have 7 days to launch a campaign against the Greek people, to make the greek people give in to fear, I can't see it going the way they want, it's going on too long, regardless this will have big implications and will in the end if it passes be a death blow to the euro and the empire, it's horrible to imagine the what the implications will be, and the suffering it will cause but I think it needs to happen, and will happen eventually, The Greek people still have to make their choice, I'd know what I would choose, but we'll have to wait and see, and I can see the propaganda over the next few days reaching epic proportions.

Remember the referendum in Scotland. They can hack votes...
That's my concern, there's not such a thing as a fair vote IMO.

Yes, the propaganda against the Greek people and the government is likely going to quickly escalate. In terms of rigging the votes, it will be interesting how it is going to play out since the government is actually backing a NO vote while the British government was openly against the Scottish Independence vote, and the time window to plant their agents to carry out the task is very small. Maybe, by rushing things up they will make a mistake which will reveal the man behind the curtain?
 
Eboard10 said:
Thebull said:
luke wilson said:
Seaniebawn said:
Well I'm hopeful, the PTB have 7 days to launch a campaign against the Greek people, to make the greek people give in to fear, I can't see it going the way they want, it's going on too long, regardless this will have big implications and will in the end if it passes be a death blow to the euro and the empire, it's horrible to imagine the what the implications will be, and the suffering it will cause but I think it needs to happen, and will happen eventually, The Greek people still have to make their choice, I'd know what I would choose, but we'll have to wait and see, and I can see the propaganda over the next few days reaching epic proportions.

Remember the referendum in Scotland. They can hack votes...
That's my concern, there's not such a thing as a fair vote IMO.

Yes, the propaganda against the Greek people and the government is likely going to quickly escalate. In terms of rigging the votes, it will be interesting how it is going to play out since the government is actually backing a NO vote while the British government was openly against the Scottish Independence vote, and the time window to plant their agents to carry out the task is very small. Maybe, by rushing things up they will make a mistake which will reveal the man behind the curtain?

That's the way I see it Eboard10, should be interesting to see what happens over the next week. they've really painted themselves into a corner.
 
From the Greek media so far this morning, the news are that until July 6:

- Greeks will be able to take out the ATM 60 euro per day (if two cards, one for a different person, are attached to an account, that means each can take out 60 euro per day)
- Tourists and other nationals in Greece are able to take out the ATM whatever their own bank's limit is
- Public transportation will be free to everyone
- The Medical Association of Athens announced that they will offer free services to all until next Monday, and the motion was adopted in other Greek cities too
- Right now Juncker, president of the European Commission, is giving a press conference saying how disappointed he is that the Greek terminated the talks (referring to calling for the referendum). He also said that there were no ultimatums given to Greece. Funny how only few days ago, the last time Tusk (president of EU council) told Tsipras that the "game is over". To which Tsipras replied, "I don't see this as a game, people are actually suffering".
 
While it is certain the criminal cabal will do whatever they can to derail this referendum, it might be a bridge too far to pull off convincingly. We'll have to wait and see, but they really are having a harder time keeping their masks on. It's definitely a cliffhanger!
 
With the excellent interview on the Lybian war, done by SOTT radio, my gut feeling is that they will never allow Greece to leave, and if it does, 250K terrorists will drench it in blood. Tsipiras should get extra security.
 
Alana said:
From the Greek media so far this morning, the news are that until July 6:

- Greeks will be able to take out the ATM 60 euro per day (if two cards, one for a different person, are attached to an account, that means each can take out 60 euro per day)
- Tourists and other nationals in Greece are able to take out the ATM whatever their own bank's limit is
- Public transportation will be free to everyone
- The Medical Association of Athens announced that they will offer free services to all until next Monday, and the motion was adopted in other Greek cities too
- Right now Juncker, president of the European Commission, is giving a press conference saying how disappointed he is that the Greek terminated the talks (referring to calling for the referendum). He also said that there were no ultimatums given to Greece. Funny how only few days ago, the last time Tusk (president of EU council) told Tsipras that the "game is over". To which Tsipras replied, "I don't see this as a game, people are actually suffering".

Thank you so much for this bit of information. All day I am thinking about Greece, Greeks, about this next week that started today, about the consequences, what can happen, about the future of Greece... I have nobody to talk about this so my ideas and my worries turn in my head like a crazy fly. Hopefully here I can feel different and connected. Thanks!
 
Jeremy F Kreuz said:
With the excellent interview on the Lybian war, done by SOTT radio, my gut feeling is that they will never allow Greece to leave, and if it does, 250K terrorists will drench it in blood. Tsipiras should get extra security.

I tend to agree. They wont let a solution emerge that is favourable for the Greek people but not favourable for the elitists. I think that's the bottom line. They have the means to almost act with impunity if they so wish.

Apparently now they are saying the Greek people are not being informed by their government... Pretext for chaos on which the government will take the blame?
 
Jeremy F Kreuz said:
With the excellent interview on the Lybian war, done by SOTT radio, my gut feeling is that they will never allow Greece to leave, and if it does, 250K terrorists will drench it in blood. Tsipiras should get extra security.

Not sure about flooding Greece with terrorists; but they will definitely try all avenues. If the outcome is a "No" - then most likely Greece will be the prime candidate for a regime change - unless Syriza and Tsipras have already anticipated this, and are strategising against it. Not to forget the Russia factor; i think there's lots of behind the scenes communications going on now between Greece and Russia, and hopefully the FSB is lending assistance as well to Greek intelligence for Tsipras's safety. Wishful thinking maybe, but i guess hope is not a bad thing.

Thanks Alana for the update, also saw about 10 minutes of the Juncker press conference - and man what a "change" of attitude. Indeed talking about no ultimatums given to Greece; then using emotional triggers like " the people of Greece are very dear to me etc"....sigh !
 
loreta said:
Thank you so much for this bit of information. All day I am thinking about Greece, Greeks, about this next week that started today, about the consequences, what can happen, about the future of Greece... I have nobody to talk about this so my ideas and my worries turn in my head like a crazy fly. Hopefully here I can feel different and connected. Thanks!

I feel the same way, loreta. But I have to remind myself that shouldn't worry about the Greek people as much as I do, because it is also the first time that I feel that their government will take as best care of them as they can. And they are feisty people... There are many funny twits regarding the bank runs and the situation in general. They cope with humor. On the ATMs runs there were twits like" I saw you at the ATM and really liked you... Paul from Kefalonissi", making the ATMs as the new place where interesting meetings with potential for partnership can happen. And there was a woman who wrote: "OMG, the new government is dividing the country! (that's what the Yessers say against Syriza) Because as Greeks we always stood united behind our every single civil war!" :lol:

Mr.Cyan said:
Thanks Alana for the update, also saw about 10 minutes of the Juncker press conference - and man what a "change" of attitude. Indeed talking about no ultimatums given to Greece; then using emotional triggers like " the people of Greece are very dear to me etc"....sigh !

Yes, he also called the Greeks to respond with a Yes at the referendum and asked them not to commit suicide by saying No... Something a heartless psychopath will tell a nation where about 10,000 people committed suicide due to the austerity measures imposed since 2010.
 
Thank you all for the news and updates, i would like to say that things are pretty interesting to say the least. First Greece then Puerto Rico, the comment written by the Sott editors on this SOTT article is very insightful, will see how things will develop further.
 
Mr.Cyan said:
Jeremy F Kreuz said:
With the excellent interview on the Lybian war, done by SOTT radio, my gut feeling is that they will never allow Greece to leave, and if it does, 250K terrorists will drench it in blood. Tsipiras should get extra security.

Not sure about flooding Greece with terrorists; but they will definitely try all avenues. If the outcome is a "No" - then most likely Greece will be the prime candidate for a regime change - unless Syriza and Tsipras have already anticipated this, and are strategising against it. Not to forget the Russia factor; i think there's lots of behind the scenes communications going on now between Greece and Russia, and hopefully the FSB is lending assistance as well to Greek intelligence for Tsipras's safety. Wishful thinking maybe, but i guess hope is not a bad thing.

Another thing to consider is that Greece isn't Libya - it's part of Europe, very close culturally and geographically, it's a tourist location, and for example in Germany we have a strong Greek minority... So it won't be so easy I guess to conceal overt action in Greece. I don't know, we have to wait and see I guess.
 
Article: Nobel laureate tells TIME that the institutions and countries that have enforced cost-cutting on Greece "have criminal responsibility"

Linked here: http://time.com/3939621/stiglitz-greece/

Why do they wait until now before letting a little bit of truth squeak out into the mainstream media??? All the nonsense about the Troika simply asking for "reforms to the Greek economy" when in truth they have demanded further criminally destructive moves to their economy. Ughh. Gotta dislike those psykopath's
 
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