How to prepare for the coming Ice Age?

[anart]

I too am interested.

Everyone appears to sense fear and ego in me. I took a few days off to re-evaluate myself. It's not that I'm hearing answers I don't want to hear. I guess its that I can't even have a conversation with an alternate point of view without being dismissed for not having the same view as others here.

That's not at all true and you've been around long enough to know it. Is this statement the result of you 're-evaluating yourself'?

I'm not demading everyone to agree with me. Let's just talk about it.

No one is saying that you are demanding that anyone agrees with you. What is being said is that you are not seeing the big picture and you are clinging rather blindly to how you think things should be; that you are demanding that things be a certain way.

I have read The Wave series as well as the other material suggested. That doesn't mean I believe it all. Does everyone here really believe everything the C's say? People quote the Transcriptures like it is just that.

You've been around long enough to know that we state - repeatedly and emphatically - that belief of any kind is not required. Belief is antithetical to what we do here. Paying attention to reality and the signs - right and left - is what we promote and that includes seeing the big picture and not just the parts we want to see.

This is where you’ll find me a little bit different than most people, because I don’t believe anything.

If that is true, then you are no different from most people here. I'm not sure it is true, since you seem to believe that you know what is best for other people's development, according to your previous posts.

I assign probabilities, and probabilities can change, you know, with the addition of new information.

Absolutely.

Actually I wouldn’t go that far describing myself. Only that I’m cautious at best. Laura herself has shown (during Frank) where the channel was corrupted and the information was not accurate. It is certainly possible that has happened since, therefore all information must be scrutinized.

Of course it should, which is what is constantly stated here - as you should know, having been around as long as you have.

I’m sorry if I came off rude to anyone.

I think what is more interesting is that you have come off as rather scared - as needing definite answers so you can be guided and then guide others. It's almost as if your fear of the future and what might happen is driving you and limiting your vision. I think this may have been what others picked up on, but, of course, I could be mistaken.

 

[FireShadow]

Sorry, I forgot to add these questions:

SilverJeep,

How can you know that physical survival is best for the soul?
What makes you think that any particular place on earth will be physically safe?
How do you know what is best for the others you seem so bent on "saving"?
How do you know what their lessons are?

 

[msante]

This made me think about the responsibility that requires knowledge and the necessary respect for the evolutionary state of soul of each individual and their current context (emotional, psychological, etc). Of course it is also true that we lack the ability to see the big picture as a 6D STO being. Anyway we must do our utmost not to affect the learning of other souls. Sometimes you have to keep quiet the truth, and sometimes need to express it in a way that does not affect the ability to learn of other individuals. This was the idea that I wanted to express. If someone seems scared might be affected with even more afraid if I tell a hard truth in a straightforward manner (or maybe not).

why is it that this has become a hard truth to bear:

That's a good question. I have no answer.

True. But you have to be serving others already for the Universe to take notice of you and give you hints.

Is it possible that this sentence has generated an emotional reaction in you? :)

I think not, but do not rule anything out (it will be food for thought). I just thought it would have been more helpful to have explored a little more about the state of Silverjeep before throwing a sentence so categorical. But I reckon it is a subjective assessment on my part.

Why do you think SilverJeep was scared?

Mainly by his desperate search to find a place to be safe.

 

[msante]

Everyone appears to sense fear and ego in me. I took a few days off to re-evaluate myself. It's not that I'm hearing answers I don't want to hear. I guess its that I can't even have a conversation with an alternate point of view without being dismissed for not having the same view as others here. I'm not demading everyone to agree with me. Let's just talk about it.

It is my intention, and I think all here, talk about it. We do not judge you, although it is true that we risk some theory about what is their state. Sorry if this has offended in some way.

I have read The Wave series as well as the other material suggested. That doesn't mean I believe it all. Does everyone here really believe everything the C's say? People quote the Transcriptures like it is just that.

That seems like a good attitude, the same Cs have recommended that we not take anything they say at face value. But we must be attentive to the pitfalls of our ego. He can make us feel that we have an open mind, when in fact we are only taking an attitude of denial. I can tell you this from personal experience. I think everybody to a greater or lesser extent, sometimes we fall into the traps of ego.

Actually I wouldn’t go that far describing myself. Only that I’m cautious at best. Laura herself has shown (during Frank) where the channel was corrupted and the information was not accurate. It is certainly possible that has happened since, therefore all information must be scrutinized.

That is true.

 

[SilverJeep]

1. How can you know that physical survival is best for the soul?
2. What makes you think that any particular place on earth will be physically safe?
3. How do you know what is best for the others you seem so bent on "saving"?
4. How do you know what their lessons are?

1. Survival is an instinct. Like jumping out of the way of a bus speeding toward you. I won’t contemplate if the bus is a lesson, or if survival is what is best for my soul. I will jump out of the way of the bus! Maybe that is the confusion some have had with my posts. I don’t see the coming Ice Age as a “might happen one day” kinda thing. I see it as a bus speeding toward me. I see it as common sense; Jump out of the way.

2. Because some will survive. That doesn’t make it “safe” only livable. Again to me it’s common sense. I get the feeling some think I obsess about survival. I don’ t live in a fortress, but I do lock my doors at night.

3. I don’t, but like my earlier post, I see it like as someone standing in the street facing an impending disaster. If I can help I will. Wouldn’t you? How is this different?

4. You’re right, there’s no way for me to know. It’s not up to me to know. …only do.

Everyone appears to sense fear and ego in me. I took a few days off to re-evaluate myself. It's not that I'm hearing answers I don't want to hear. I guess its that I can't even have a conversation with an alternate point of view without being dismissed for not having the same view as others here.

That's not at all true and you've been around long enough to know it. Is this statement the result of you 're-evaluating yourself'?

Nope. I jumped into a conversation not telling anyone they were wrong or insulting anyone and here’s some snippets of what was said about/to me.

It seems to me that you are resentful of the C's
Yet, you are resentful because you think you can see
Now it seems that you are DEMANDING the information.
"Stayin' alive" is just 3D speak...
I think that there is a sense of panic in your posts,
Do you notice that your words are making demands of other people? Who are you to be giving orders?
I think you are projecting SJ. If anyone comes across condescending in this thread it is you.
but SilverJeep does not like the answer we have given him.
And because of that, SilverJeep starts demanding and answer, trying to appeal to some "moral code" in his mind by using allegories ("impressions") that do not apply
Sooner or later they have to decide if they are willing to knock down the wall of pride/ego to start the work
SilverJeep thinking pattern was directed by the ego,
I agree too. Anyway (maybe I'm wrong) but I think Silverjeep is scared, and I thought (I repeat, I can be wrong) that the message given to him could try to reassure him, before giving the necessary beating to his ego.


I guess I could take it as people trying to help, although it’s kind of hard to accept help from someone giving you a “necessary beating”. Or it may appear that I’m being talked down to. That I’m just a lowly 3D STS that needs to be purged of his wrongful thinking. …that last line was a joke BTW.

Some of this might come down to what you believe about the coming Ice Age. If you think it might or might not happen in 20 to 40 years, then I agree, I would sound like a scared nut. But if you think it is a definite that will happen in the next year or so then (to me) it would be common sense to get out of the way of the bus (if possible). Knowledge protects. Knowledge that an Ice Age is coming protects some. Knowledge of where will NOT covered by a mile of ice, protects more!

As I’ve said, there’s many things the C’s have said I don’t believe. However, I do believe what they’ve said about the coming Ice Age.

My use of the word “everyone” in an earlier post was premature. I don’t think everyone is out to get me, and I really do appreciate the non-inflammatory responses.

 

[msante]

1. Survival is an instinct. Like jumping out of the way of a bus speeding toward you. I won’t contemplate if the bus is a lesson, or if survival is what is best for my soul. I will jump out of the way of the bus! Maybe that is the confusion some have had with my posts. I don’t see the coming Ice Age as a “might happen one day” kinda thing. I see it as a bus speeding toward me. I see it as common sense; Jump out of the way.

I think that be 4D candidate means detached from their primal instincts such as survival of the physical body. Reacting instinctively is react unconsciously, and the ascent is quite the opposite: increasing awareness.

3. I don’t, but like my earlier post, I see it like as someone standing in the street facing an impending disaster. If I can help I will. Wouldn’t you? How is this different?

How do you know it helpful? Again you assume to know what is best for others. In fact it seems to believe that the survival of the physical body is la best alternative for other people. Perhaps be the best alternative for you because you are not willing to "lose" their loved ones.

It seems to me that you are resentful of the C's
Yet, you are resentful because you think you can see
Now it seems that you are DEMANDING the information.
"Stayin' alive" is just 3D speak...
I think that there is a sense of panic in your posts,
Do you notice that your words are making demands of other people? Who are you to be giving orders?
I think you are projecting SJ. If anyone comes across condescending in this thread it is you.
but SilverJeep does not like the answer we have given him.
And because of that, SilverJeep starts demanding and answer, trying to appeal to some "moral code" in his mind by using allegories ("impressions") that do not apply
Sooner or later they have to decide if they are willing to knock down the wall of pride/ego to start the work
SilverJeep thinking pattern was directed by the ego,
I agree too. Anyway (maybe I'm wrong) but I think Silverjeep is scared, and I thought (I repeat, I can be wrong) that the message given to him could try to reassure him, before giving the necessary beating to his ego.

I guess I could take it as people trying to help, although it's kind of hard to accept help from someone giving you a “necessary beating”. Or it may appear that I'm being talked down to. That I'm just a lowly 3D STS that needs to be purged of his wrongful thinking. …that last line was a joke BTW.

Every we are lowly 3D STS, but we want to be 4D STO candidate. This involves the gradual detachment of 3D STS thinking.
Perhaps you are right. Maybe describe what we believe is your problem, not a good idea. I think it would have been more helpful perhaps make the same thoughts in the form of a question. So instead of saying "... I think Silverjeep is scared ..." might have asked: "Are you scared, Siverjeep?." This would increase the possibility to help you think, instead of generating a defensive reaction.

Some of this might come down to what you believe about the coming Ice Age. If you think it might or might not happen in 20 to 40 years, then I agree, I would sound like a scared nut. But if you think it is a definite that will happen in the next year or so then (to me) it would be common sense to get out of the way of the bus (if possible). Knowledge protects. Knowledge that an Ice Age is coming protects some. Knowledge of where will NOT covered by a mile of ice, protects more!

The meaning of the phrase "knowledge protects" goes far beyond saving you from freeze to death. This can be best understood in a 4D context.
In "The wave" chapter 26 Cs say...

Q: (A) You say knowledge protects. It protects against WHAT?
A: Many things. One example: post transformational trauma and confusion.
Q: (L) So, knowledge is going to protect us against post transformational trauma and confusion. You are implying that this transition to 4th density is going to be traumatic and confusing. Do you mean transformation from 3rd to 4th density, or 3rd to 5th density, i.e. death?
A: Both.
Q: (L) So, if one does not have the shock and trauma and the confusion and so forth, one is then able to function better?
A: Yes.

 

[msante]

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True. But you have to be serving others already for the Universe to take notice of you and give you hints.

Is it possible that this sentence has generated an emotional reaction in you? :)

I think not, but do not rule anything out (it will be food for thought)....

...

Ana:

I told you it would be food for thought. Well, I've been thinking about it and I must give you some reason, maybe it has generated an emotional reaction in me. Thank, you has been great helpfull.

 

[paralleloscope]

Knowledge that an Ice Age is coming protects some. Knowledge of where will NOT covered by a mile of ice, protects more!

There could be a myriad of other cataclysmic variables on all levels before any ice settles. Buying Property in Paraguay may be good for your body temperature but what of the other factors. Do you endorse 'knowledge protects' and 'all is lessons'? Does it not make sense to build a higher connection which informs, not only in a GPS sense but what is rigth and what is what in the specific situation.

I guess I could take it as people trying to help, although it’s kind of hard to accept help from someone giving you a “necessary beating”.

As I see it you have been mirrored. In a worldly sense that may appear harsh, but coming here in a Work oriented forum it is what is given when prompted.
Are you not demanding for certain knowledge to be served, or is your request unattached?

 

[FireShadow]

1. Survival is an instinct. Like jumping out of the way of a bus speeding toward you. I won’t contemplate if the bus is a lesson, or if survival is what is best for my soul. I will jump out of the way of the bus! Maybe that is the confusion some have had with my posts. I don’t see the coming Ice Age as a “might happen one day” kinda thing. I see it as a bus speeding toward me. I see it as common sense; Jump out of the way.

2. Because some will survive. That doesn’t make it “safe” only livable. Again to me it’s common sense. I get the feeling some think I obsess about survival. I don’ t live in a fortress, but I do lock my doors at night.

3. I don’t, but like my earlier post, I see it like as someone standing in the street facing an impending disaster. If I can help I will. Wouldn’t you? How is this different?

Yes, survival is an instinct (which may just be one of the parameters of life in this reality - it may not have the same importance in the grand scheme of things). And yes, if a bus was heading my way and I saw it, I would jump out of the way. And yes, if I saw someone in the path of an oncoming bus, I would try to help them get out of the way. I agree that the preservation of life is a good thing. But in this "oncoming bus" situation, one can clearly see the danger and the way clear.

With an Ice Age, we really cannot yet see exactly where it is, when or if it will come (although it looks likely) and cannot really know where a safe place will be. And an Ice Age is not the only danger - what about cometary/meteoric bombardment (not to mention earthquakes, volcanoes, etc) which could happen anywhere. One could get so caught up in finding a safe place to survive the Ice Age only to end up moving to a place that would be heavily hit with cometary debris...or what about the collapse of governments/economies?

I even agree that preparedness is important. I am working on having "my house" in order - simplifying my lifestyle and stocking up on a few supplies "just in case". I think this is all we can do in a material sense. This strategy even makes sense to me under "normal" circumstances - It can be good to simplify and have basic supplies on hand.

The rest is about working on oneself to raise one's frequency (FRV?) One could get so caught up in worrying about physical survival, that one forgets what is important - work on oneself NOW while we have some time. Working on oneself will help one gain the ability to "see" and "do" when the time comes for seeing and doing. Working on oneself is what helps us to raise our frequency - in preparation of the Wave.

It is "who you are and what you see" that is important. If you are a souled individual, then what you are able to see and be aware of will be important. What if you are only seeing physical dangers and focused on physical survival in that moment? What would you really see and be aware of?

What if you are needed right where you are? What if the Universe needs you to be working on yourself so that when the time comes, you can be useful right where you are? (Of course, if you do not wish to be useful, then this is probably not the forum for you, so I assume you wish to be useful. After all, you have expressed a desire to help others.) What if you did not do the Work and therefore do not have the ability to recognize the need and what to do about it when it arises? We cannot know what will be needed until the time comes.

Edited to add: What if you moved to avoid danger to your physical survival and missed your opportunity to be helpful/useful later, right where you are now?

It is your seemingly singular focus on physical survival we are responding to (based on your posting as we know nothing of you or your life outside this forum) - and, your justification that you are only wanting to help "save" others - have you completed the work on yourself? Since you admit:

4. You’re right, there’s no way for me to know. It’s not up to me to know. …only do.

How can you "do" if you don't know what or how to "do"? That sounds rather programmatic to me. In fact, it is up to you to know, that is what the Work is about. The Work is supposed to help you get to a state where you can actually "see" and "do". Why do you put the cart before the horse?

And, what if the whole point is not physical survival, but what is learned from the whole experience? What if in the Grand Scheme (if there is one) dying is just like "falling down" and you just get back up and go again (in another life)? Perhaps it is just about doing the best we can and leaving the results up to the Universe - Non Anticipation of Results.

Basically, it does not matter so much where/when/if the Ice Age comes. It matters only who you are and what you see - wherever you are.

 

[Laura]

Since history - time - is cyclical, ya'll can answer these questions by studying previous ice ages.

 

[ana]

Thank, you has been great helpfull.

You are welcome

 

[SilverJeep]

I think that be 4D candidate means detached from their primal instincts such as survival of the physical body. Reacting instinctively is react unconsciously, and the ascent is quite the opposite: increasing awareness.

I get the theorhetical aspect of "to be concerned more with the soul not the body" but can you honestly tell me that given the choice of life and death (speeding bus) it would be more 4D of you to simply let the bus hit you? And that you would do that? I'm not trying to argue with you, I see this as no different. Do you?

3. I don’t, but like my earlier post, I see it like as someone standing in the street facing an impending disaster. If I can help I will. Wouldn’t you? How is this different?

How do you know it helpful? Again you assume to know what is best for others. In fact it seems to believe that the survival of the physical body is la best alternative for other people. Perhaps be the best alternative for you because you are not willing to "lose" their loved ones.

Are you saying that you would not intercede with someone in immediate danger because you do not know what is best for them? Again, I'm trying to break this down to its most simple form.

Perhaps you are right. Maybe describe what we believe is your problem, not a good idea. I think it would have been more helpful perhaps make the same thoughts in the form of a question. So instead of saying "... I think Silverjeep is scared ..." might have asked: "Are you scared, Siverjeep?." This would increase the possibility to help you think, instead of generating a defensive reaction.

Yes, but no one wanted to ask if I was scared. Only state that I AM scared without knowing all the facts. That is the difference between having a conversation and being preached to.
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The meaning of the phrase "knowledge protects" goes far beyond saving you from freeze to death. This can be best understood in a 4D context.
In "The wave" chapter 26 Cs say...

Yes, I know. But there are plenty of references where the C's provide knowledge to protect that benefit physical protection as well. If by only a by-product. ie; abduction, influence, manipulation, monitoring, interacting with certain people, giving certain information.

msante, Thank you for having a conversation with me! I respect your opinion.

 

[1984]

I get the theorhetical aspect of "to be concerned more with the soul not the body" but can you honestly tell me that given the choice of life and death (speeding bus) it would be more 4D of you to simply let the bus hit you? And that you would do that? I'm not trying to argue with you, I see this as no different. Do you?

Hi SilverJeep - What if it were simply that the 'speeding bus' was part of your lesson profile - or part of anyone else's? By telling them to step back on the sidewalk and out of the way of the speeding bus you could be interfering with their lesson(s).

The best that anyone can do for themselves is be prepared - and preparedness requires knowledge. And knowledge protects. :)

Q: (T) Okay, what you are saying, then, is that we are
anchoring the frequency, so that when the wave comes, we
move to 4th level density as many people as possible, in order
to break the hold the "Dark T-shirts" have got on this planet,
those who remain behind will not have enough energy left for
the "Dark T-shirts" to bother with the planet any longer. There
will be less of them so the planet will be able to refresh and
they will be able to move on in their lessons without
interference?
A: Close.
Q: (L) At this point of dimensional transition, is what we are
doing, anchoring a frequency, are we creating a sort of "super
string" network that will literally create another earth in 4th
density, which will then exist in 4th density, and the old 3rd
density earth -- almost like the splitting of a one celled
organism, only in this splitting one half of it moves into another
dimension and is energized and quite literally created by the
anchoring frequency, while the old one remains and
experiences 3rd density reality?
A: Step by step.
Q: (L) Are we anchoring frequency to create a split?
A: One developing conduit.
Q: (L) We are developing a conduit?
A: Yes. One.
Q: (J) How many conduits do we need?
A: Open.
Q: (T) Is this conduit going to allow those who remain behind
to be able to move to 4th density easier when they are ready?
A: No.
Q: (T) What is the conduit for?
A: You and those who will follow you.
Q: (T) Oh, this is for those of us who will move to 4th density.
We will move through and they will follow us through the
conduit. (J) Oh, others who are ready?
A: Your group here tonight.
Q: (L) Does this mean we will have followers or just us here
now?
A: Open. Up to you.
Q: (L) This conduit. Is this a conduit through which an entire
planet will transition?
A: You are one. There are others.
Q: (L) There are other planets...
A: No. Conduit.
Q: We are one conduit and there are conduits...
A: No. Developing at this point.
Q: (J) So, at this point we are developing a conduit?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) There are other groups on this planet developing their
own conduits?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) These are conduits for us to move to 4th density in?
A: Knowledge is the key to developing a conduit.

 

[nwigal]

1. Survival is an instinct. Like jumping out of the way of a bus speeding toward you. I won’t contemplate if the bus is a lesson, or if survival is what is best for my soul. I will jump out of the way of the bus! Maybe that is the confusion some have had with my posts. I don’t see the coming Ice Age as a “might happen one day” kinda thing. I see it as a bus speeding toward me. I see it as common sense; Jump out of the way.

I think that be 4D candidate means detached from their primal instincts such as survival of the physical body. Reacting instinctively is react unconsciously, and the ascent is quite the opposite: increasing awareness.

To be a 4D candidate without primal instinct is to be a candidate without the knowledge to survive soul-smashing. Reacting instinctively is not unconscious if the impulse is from the higher self; it can be a merging of the Will with that of the DCM. Primal in this sense does not have to mean lower; only more clearly apprehended, in a non-linear sense. To be detached from primal instincts while increasing awareness may lead to just a thought form only, disconnected from the rest of creation. STS knows this, and survives, because they have taught others to disregard the lessons that teach simply, without time for noise. This is how they hope to continue to control, OSIT.

Every we are lowly 3D STS, but we want to be 4D STO candidate. This involves the gradual detachment of 3D STS thinking.
Perhaps you are right. Maybe describe what we believe is your problem, not a good idea. I think it would have been more helpful perhaps make the same thoughts in the form of a question. So instead of saying "... I think Silverjeep is scared ..." might have asked: "Are you scared, Siverjeep?." This would increase the possibility to help you think, instead of generating a defensive reaction.

Wanting to be a thing, and being chosen to be a thing, are different things. Maybe it's not a question of detachment so much as learning what to keep, what to let go of, and what needs to be changed into something else entirely. And primal instincts may have a role to play.
The question to SilverJeep might be, " are you scared, and if so, why, and what do you want to do about it?"

Some of this might come down to what you believe about the coming Ice Age. If you think it might or might not happen in 20 to 40 years, then I agree, I would sound like a scared nut. But if you think it is a definite that will happen in the next year or so then (to me) it would be common sense to get out of the way of the bus (if possible). Knowledge protects. Knowledge that an Ice Age is coming protects some. Knowledge of where will NOT covered by a mile of ice, protects more!

If this was only a question of an ice age, then knowing where to go might protect. What if there is going to be something happening everywhere, in one form or another? This has happened before. It is knowledge that protects from soul-smashing that leads to real survival, not just being in the right place, at the right time, especially when there is no right place, and no time. OSIT.

The meaning of the phrase "knowledge protects" goes far beyond saving you from freeze to death. This can be best understood in a 4D context.
In "The wave" chapter 26 Cs say...

Q: (A) You say knowledge protects. It protects against WHAT?
A: Many things. One example: post transformational trauma and confusion.
Q: (L) So, knowledge is going to protect us against post transformational trauma and confusion. You are implying that this transition to 4th density is going to be traumatic and confusing. Do you mean transformation from 3rd to 4th density, or 3rd to 5th density, i.e. death?
A: Both.
Q: (L) So, if one does not have the shock and trauma and the confusion and so forth, one is then able to function better?
A: Yes.

 

[HiThere]

It could be, to be open. I am new with the Eiru Eolas, At the beginning I didn't understand very well, about, what the EE does to yo but now that I do a review in my past, I am like a new car.

So I think is that just be open, destiny is destiny, If you can help others do it, if not well, you can't. So I think that just take some emotional work, be kinda prepared with some money, and wait and see, no more in my mind, I don't know. If you are gonna be an ice cream, so, be a good and delicious Ice cream, enjoy it. I have find that my life could be very boring If there is no problem at all, and just happiness. You find that the struggle makes you stronger, but you get to find too that if you can't handle the struggle, you are going down with the devil. So it is better take some precautions you know, just some and concentrate on other things.

I really can do more than just learn what I can, I have not a million of dollars to build a fortress or something, or to take my stuff and go to live to another place.

this resonates with me, thank you for posting.