Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy (HBOT): General information and discussion of Home Units

[Z...]

I just realised that my Zoy-tech came with a 5litre concentrator and not 10. Would the benefits still be the same? Would I need more frequent or longer sessions?
When I ordered and payed for it I was not aware of the two different options and just added that I wanted a concentrator. Is there anything I can or should do to make the best of the situation?
The one time I tried to use it, it felt like I was not getting enough oxygen and felt somewhat suffocating so I depressurised slowly, got out and haven't used it since. It was only today that I realised the capacity of 5L may have something to do with it.
10L ones are around AU$4K; not something I can afford right now.

Did you use mask with the bag? From my limited experience this may cause some anxiety which will give you that suffocating impression. If you manage to relax and not focus on breathing this can be overcome.

 

[stellar]

Did you use mask with the bag? From my limited experience this may cause some anxiety which will give you that suffocating impression. If you manage to relax and not focus on breathing this can be overcome.

I tried both the cannula and the non-rebreather and both had the same effect. I think I'll just increase the oxygenator to the max, as 88LS suggested, and see how that goes.
Having experienced a positive session with a 10L oxygenator it seemed that I just couldn't get enough air in my chamber. I didn't feel anxious and I was quite relaxed until I felt like I wasn't getting enough air in my lungs and it just didn't feel right.
I'll try again tomorrow.

 

[Z...]

I tried both the cannula and the non-rebreather and both had the same effect. I think I'll just increase the oxygenator to the max, as 88LS suggested, and see how that goes.
Having experienced a positive session with a 10L oxygenator it seemed that I just couldn't get enough air in my chamber. I didn't feel anxious and I was quite relaxed until I felt like I wasn't getting enough air in my lungs and it just didn't feel right.
I'll try again tomorrow.

Could you ask zoytech to do the exchange it would probably be just a little extra and totally worth it.

 

[stellar]

Could you ask zoytech to do the exchange it would probably be just a little extra and totally worth it.

I could ask, although I don't think it would be cheap and I would probably have to pay freight for both the new one and returning the first one. With Australian customs, I would probably be charged again for the new unit. They never miss an opportunity to scam.

 

[Z...]

I could ask, although I don't think it would be cheap and I would probably have to pay freight for both the new one and returning the first one. With Australian customs, I would probably be charged again for the new unit. They never miss an opportunity to scam.

You could ask them to issue you “dummy” invoice with fraction of the value. My supplier actually offered this and it worked.

 

[seek10]

After some negotiation, Zoy Tech agreed to give us a new chamber ( new white one) and new fast pressuring unit set for extra 600.00 . They will send us by ship and they will bear the cost of shipping etc.

We received the new unit. It is works well. It inflates fast and reaches 1.5 ATA in less than 8 minutes whether cooler is on or off.

Item is heavier than before and i think it is related to pump that inflates much faster.

I tried both the cannula and the non-rebreather and both had the same effect. I think I'll just increase the oxygenator to the max, as 88LS suggested, and see how that goes.
Having experienced a positive session with a 10L oxygenator it seemed that I just couldn't get enough air in my chamber. I didn't feel anxious and I was quite relaxed until I felt like I wasn't getting enough air in my lungs and it just didn't feel right.
I'll try again tomorrow.

with the new unit, I had similar doubt. But, when I added non breather with bag to see how fast it is inflating the oxygen bag. There is no difference between in mask's oxygen bag's inflation time. You may want to rotate the knob on the oxygen concentrator to high ( higher than red line for testing purposes )and see how it goes.

 

[candasiri]

@Pierre thank you for the HBOT and cirrhosis liver study. So far, the parents are unmoved. Perhaps if I get one and appear rejuvenated they might get interested.

 

[iamthatis]

I am currently reading Steiner's Agriculture Course, the foundation of bio-dynamic agriculture. He has some interesting things to say about the 'spiritual nature' of the common life elements, including oxygen. I thought to post here in case any are interested, he has quite a compelling way of communicating.

He begins with Sulphur, saying that 'to trace the tracks of the spiritual in the material world, one must trace the tracks of Sulphur'. Sulphur is the carrier of the spiritual because it has to do with the working of LIGHT in matter. I was thinking about the mention of sulphur as soul-fire, referenced in the 'Hesdel-Zelator' chapter in The Wave.

I wonder what Steiner would say about Sulphur's association with demons, portals, trans-density or trans-dimensional travel, etc.?

Anyways, then he moves on to Carbon, which has been 'softened' and 'moistened' by sulphur. It's the scaffolding - a living scaffolding who is also an artist; autopoietic, or self-making. After that, here's his bit on oxygen and breathing:

So you can have the following idea. Underlying all living things is a carbon-like scaffolding or framework — more or less rigid or fluctuating as the case may be — and along the paths of this framework the Spiritual moves through the World. Let me now make a drawing (purely diagrammatic) so that we have it before us visibly and graphically. (Diagram 6). I will here draw a scaffolding or framework such as the Spirit builds, working always with the help of sulphur. This, therefore, is either the ever-changing carbon constantly moving in the sulphur, in its very fine dilution — or, as in plants, it is a carbon-frame-work more or less hard and fast, having become solidified, mingled with other ingredients.

Now whether it be man or any other living being, the living being must always be permeated by an ethereal — for the ethereal is the true bearer of life, as we have often emphasised. This, therefore, which represents the carbonaceous framework of a living entity, must in its turn be permeated by an ethereal. The latter will either stay still — holding fast to the beams of the framework — or it will also be involved in more or less fluctuating movement. In either case, the ethereal must be spread out, wherever the framework is. Once more, there must be something ethereal wherever the framework is. Now this ethereal, if it remained alone, could certainly not exist as such within our physical and earthly world. It would, so to speak, always slide through into the empty void. It could not hold what it must take hold of in the physical, earthly world, if it had not a physical carrier.

This, after all, is the peculiarity of all that we have on Earth: the Spiritual here must always have physical carriers. Then the materialists come, and take only the physical carrier into account, forgetting the Spiritual which it carries. And they are always in the right — for the first thing that meets us is the physical carrier. They only leave out of account that it is the Spiritual which must have a physical carrier everywhere.

What then is the physical carrier of that Spiritual which works in the ethereal? (For we may say, the ethereal represents the lowest kind of spiritual working). What is the physical carrier which is so permeated by the ethereal that the ethereal, moistened once more with sulphur, brings into it what it has to carry — not in Formation this time, not in the building of the framework — but in eternal quickness and mobility into the midst of the framework? This physical element which with the help of sulphur carries the influences of life out of the universal ether into the physical, is none other than oxygen. I have sketched it here in green. If you regard it physically, it represents the oxygen. It is the weaving, vibrant and pulsating essence that moves along the paths of the oxygen. For the ethereal moves with the help of sulphur along the paths of oxygen.

Only now does the breathing process reveal its meaning. In breathing we absorb the oxygen. A modern materialist will only speak of oxygen such as he has in his retort when he accomplishes, say, an electrolysis of water. But in this oxygen the lowest of the supersensible, that is the ethereal, is living — unless indeed it has been killed or driven out, as it must be in the air we have around us. In the air of our breathing the living quality is killed, is driven out, for the living oxygen would make us faint. Whenever anything more highly living enters into us we become faint. Even an ordinary hypertrophy of growth — if it occurs at a place where it ought not to occur — will make us faint, nay even more than faint. If we were surrounded by living air in which the living oxygen were present, we should go about stunned and benumbed. The oxygen around us must be killed. Nevertheless, by virtue of its native essence it is the bearer of life — that is, of the ethereal. And it becomes the bearer of life the moment it escapes from the sphere of those tasks which are allotted to it inasmuch as it surrounds the human being outwardly, around the senses. As soon as it enters into us through our breathing it becomes alive again. Inside us it must be alive.

Circulating inside us, the oxygen is not the same as it is where it surrounds us externally. Within us, it is living oxygen, and in like manner it becomes living oxygen the moment it passes, from the atmosphere we breathe, into the soil of the Earth. Albeit it is not so highly living there as it is in us and in the animals, nevertheless, there too it becomes living oxygen. Oxygen under the earth is not the same as oxygen above the earth.

It is difficult to come to an understanding an these matters which the physicists and chemists, for — by the methods they apply — from the very outset the oxygen must always be drawn out of the earth realm; hence they can only have dead oxygen before them. There is no other possibility for them. That is the fate of every science that only considers the physical. It can only understand the corpse. In reality, oxygen is the bearer of the living ether, and the living ether holds sway in it by using sulphur as its way of access.

He goes on to talk about Nitrogen as the element of higher spiritual working. It forms an astral bridge - 'Oxygen and Carbon must meet in life through Nitrogen'. I had a chuckle when he claimed that Nitrogen was a 'clever fellow' who will inform you of what Mercury and Venus and the rest are doing if you want - apparently you can just ask during Meditation!

Finally, Hydrogen is the means by which the physical flows outwards, is broken and scattered, carried by sulphur out into the void. Hydrogen performs the service of disintegration. It helps the dead on their transit to new life.

I found it super interesting to consider these 'inert elements' in this way, as characters with roles, or workers with tasks.

 

[Thor]

I just realised that my Zoy-tech came with a 5litre concentrator and not 10. Would the benefits still be the same? Would I need more frequent or longer sessions?
When I ordered and payed for it I was not aware of the two different options and just added that I wanted a concentrator. Is there anything I can or should do to make the best of the situation?
The one time I tried to use it, it felt like I was not getting enough oxygen and felt somewhat suffocating so I depressurised slowly, got out and haven't used it since. It was only today that I realised the capacity of 5L may have something to do with it.
10L ones are around AU$4K; not something I can afford right now.

I was in the same situation and I felt quite frustrated as I thought that my unit would be 10 L/min as I had upgraded to the fast-inflate version. But unfortunately that was only an upgrade for the compressor.

As the main benefit is increased oxygen concentration in the blood plasma, the effects will be less with less oxygen - at least for an individual session. However, it may be the case that you just need to increase the number of sessions to get the same result.

I contacted Zoy and they said that they couldn't take the old unit back but they could sell me a 10 L/min unit at their production cost. I ended up paying 970 USD for the 10 L/min unit and 380 USD for shipping to Europe. So 1350 USD in total.

One way that Winni from Zoy suggested to make it cheaper was to buy an additional 5 L/min unit and just run the two units together. I assume that you'd need some type of adapter to get that to work. As I have the chamber in my bedroom and it's really crammed I decided to go for 10 L/min unit instead. That does mean that I have an unused 5 L/min unit packed away in the original box. If you're interested, I'd be happy to sell it to you for half price plus shipping. I have no idea if how expensive it is to ship from Denmark to Australia so it may not be worth it. Also, I don't know if it's shippable as there was a cord that I needed to cut when I got it that I believe was put there to keep it safe during transportation.

 

[Korzik18]

I am a novice HBO user and not very experienced yet. I have only had 4 sessions in a professional baroque chamber at the local hospital. It does not supply oxygen through a mask but fills the entire space of the chamber (about 96% oxygen).

I have done 8 sessions of HBO and cannot tolerate pressures above 1.3 atm.
When I started the sessions, I was very afraid for my ears, as I had problems with my ears for several months after flying on a plane. The doctor in the HBO department asked me before starting the treatment about my tolerance to flying and if I had any problems with my ears. But I bravely lied to him that I was fine. However, it turned out that my ears could easily tolerate diving in a hyperbaric chamber.

The problem was something else. The first sessions at 1.3 atm went well, mild relaxation, weakness, sound sleep.
On the 4th session I asked for a higher pressure and the doctor gave me 1.6 atm. I did not notice any difference in my sensations during the dive, and I was content and calm. But when the rise in pressure stopped I suddenly felt a wild heartbeat (my heart was jumping out of my chest) and nausea, after that I felt panic (how will they get me out of here if I get sick, then they won't let me attend any more sessions). I just started praying, slowly and thoughtfully I recited the POTS and the prayer of crystals. Praise to DCM, I calmed down, my heart rate came back to normal, with some mild nausea. After the session, I was dizzy for another 2-3 hours, had a slight euphoria, but the nausea and feeling of body heat and terrible hunger persisted into the morning.

The next 2 sessions I asked for 1.3 atm back again. Everything went smoothly.

Then the doctor and I decided to gradually increase the pressure, but in smaller increments. At 1.4 atm I felt an increase in salivation and after the session the nausea and body heat came back, which went away after 2-3 hours.
The doctor said that I have hypersensitive to oxygen.
The symptoms are similar to activation of the autonomic nervous system. I have not been able to find the cause and mechanism of this condition. I don't know what to do. I can only hope that gradually getting used to oxygen and very slowly increasing my blood pressure will help me cope. But it is frustrating for me.

This is an aside to this thread, it may interest you as a reading:
"Being anaemic does not automatically mean that you are iron deficient. Anemia is usually associated with impaired iron recycling, not deficiency, and impaired iron recycling is caused by copper and retinol deficiency."
Ce que vous ignorez sur le fer peut nuire à votre santé

Thank you very much, Zak. It was a very useful article. It confirmed my thoughts on the need to add copper to iron as well as zinc. I am also taking folic acid, Vitamins B and C, magnesium chelate, Q10.
Most likely I do have iron deficiency anaemia due to heavy monthly blood loss. Th e gynaecologist has already prescribed treatment.I have low haemoglobin and erythrocyte hypochromia, pale skin, weakness and problems with short term memory, concentration and attention. I will get the results of my biochemical blood test on Tuesday.

 

[stellar]

I was in the same situation and I felt quite frustrated as I thought that my unit would be 10 L/min as I had upgraded to the fast-inflate version. But unfortunately that was only an upgrade for the compressor.

Yes, the most frustrating thing from the beginning has been the communication. Me, tech illiterate and Zoy rep, non english speaking. It seems as though she was using google translate or something because some of the replies were difficult to understand.

As the main benefit is increased oxygen concentration in the blood plasma, the effects will be less with less oxygen - at least for an individual session. However, it may be the case that you just need to increase the number of sessions to get the same result.

Yeah, most likely. From what little sense I have on the subject it seems that the pressure of the chamber makes it harder for the 5L to push the oxygen through than would a 10L which is more concentrated. So it makes sense that more sessions would be needed.

I contacted Zoy and they said that they couldn't take the old unit back but they could sell me a 10 L/min unit at their production cost. I ended up paying 970 USD for the 10 L/min unit and 380 USD for shipping to Europe. So 1350 USD in total.

I figured as much. Converted to AU$, that would not be feasible for me. I can buy a 5L in Australia for around 2K but running 2 at once plus the compressor just doesn't appeal to me.

I'd be happy to sell it to you for half price plus shipping. I have no idea if how expensive it is to ship from Denmark to Australia so it may not be worth it.

I truly appreciate the offer. As you said it would undoubtably be expensive and risky to ship so I'll have to juggle and make do with what I have.

 

[Pierre]

I can buy a 5L in Australia for around 2K but running 2 at once plus the compressor just doesn't appeal to me.

We were planning of running two 10l/mn O2 concentrators joined by a T.

I asked Riley for Macy Pan first and she said it was totally doable. We didn't do though because the non-rebreather mask did the trick.

 

[NewEngland Seeker]

I have done 8 sessions of HBO and cannot tolerate pressures above 1.3 atm.
When I started the sessions, I was very afraid for my ears, as I had problems with my ears for several months after flying on a plane. The doctor in the HBO department asked me before starting the treatment about my tolerance to flying and if I had any problems with my ears. But I bravely lied to him that I was fine. However, it turned out that my ears could easily tolerate diving in a hyperbaric chamber.

The problem was something else. The first sessions at 1.3 atm went well, mild relaxation, weakness, sound sleep.
On the 4th session I asked for a higher pressure and the doctor gave me 1.6 atm. I did not notice any difference in my sensations during the dive, and I was content and calm. But when the rise in pressure stopped I suddenly felt a wild heartbeat (my heart was jumping out of my chest) and nausea, after that I felt panic (how will they get me out of here if I get sick, then they won't let me attend any more sessions). I just started praying, slowly and thoughtfully I recited the POTS and the prayer of crystals. Praise to DCM, I calmed down, my heart rate came back to normal, with some mild nausea. After the session, I was dizzy for another 2-3 hours, had a slight euphoria, but the nausea and feeling of body heat and terrible hunger persisted into the morning.

The next 2 sessions I asked for 1.3 atm back again. Everything went smoothly.

Then the doctor and I decided to gradually increase the pressure, but in smaller increments. At 1.4 atm I felt an increase in salivation and after the session the nausea and body heat came back, which went away after 2-3 hours.
The doctor said that I have hypersensitive to oxygen.
The symptoms are similar to activation of the autonomic nervous system. I have not been able to find the cause and mechanism of this condition. I don't know what to do. I can only hope that gradually getting used to oxygen and very slowly increasing my blood pressure will help me cope. But it is frustrating for me.


Thank you very much, Zak. It was a very useful article. It confirmed my thoughts on the need to add copper to iron as well as zinc. I am also taking folic acid, Vitamins B and C, magnesium chelate, Q10.
Most likely I do have iron deficiency anaemia due to heavy monthly blood loss. Th e gynaecologist has already prescribed treatment.I have low haemoglobin and erythrocyte hypochromia, pale skin, weakness and problems with short term memory, concentration and attention. I will get the results of my biochemical blood test on Tuesday.

I too reacted negatively due to anemia. Oxygen has to attach to hemoglobin in order to transport it safely throughout the body. If oxygen is not taken up by the hemoglobin it will then become reactive. Post HBOT exercise will clear the excess oxygen but doing a shorter or lower pressure sessions until you have cleared the anemia will be best.

 

[Thor]

We were planning of running two 10l/mn O2 concentrators joined by a T.

I asked Riley for Macy Pan first and she said it was totally doable. We didn't do though because the non-rebreather mask did the trick.

I had ordered a 15 L/min oxygen concentrator from Zoy but the sales person told me that, according to their engineering department, that would put the oxygen concentration inside the chamber at a little above 30% and that is considered a fire hazard. According to the Zoy engineers the maximum allowed concentration in the EU (from a client of theirs in France) is 23.5%. However, I don't know if that's correct. I decided to follow their recommendation so I went with the 10 L/min unit.

Also, I looked at the oxygen concentration graph from the non-rebreather mask. It shows about 66% oxygen concentration at 6.7 L/min and around 73% at 10 L/min so I figured that it wasn't worth the effort.

 

[Thor]

Yes, the most frustrating thing from the beginning has been the communication. Me, tech illiterate and Zoy rep, non english speaking. It seems as though she was using google translate or something because some of the replies were difficult to understand.


Yeah, most likely. From what little sense I have on the subject it seems that the pressure of the chamber makes it harder for the 5L to push the oxygen through than would a 10L which is more concentrated. So it makes sense that more sessions would be needed.


I figured as much. Converted to AU$, that would not be feasible for me. I can buy a 5L in Australia for around 2K but running 2 at once plus the compressor just doesn't appeal to me.


I truly appreciate the offer. As you said it would undoubtably be expensive and risky to ship so I'll have to juggle and make do with what I have.

The non-rebreather mask that I have requires a minimum of 5 L/min inside the chamber. The 5 L/min unit only gives around 3.4 L/min inside the chamber so you'd be better off with a normal mask or the cannula.