I don't get it.... why not destroy evil?

[Darius1234]

I am very old - 61 years.
Today I am safe because my experience and my vigilance guarantee my survival. Looking back, I realize that the dangers that people pose to me as a person are related to insufficient knowledge, reduced vigilance, my own wishful thinking in the sense of satisfying current needs and misguided helper syndrome.
My transformation to what I am today was a very hard school. The proof that I am most likely on the right path is the feedback from those around me. Narcissists avoid me like the devil avoids holy water because I can speak their language and recognize their thoughts - I'm no longer a free lunch. Empathetic people recognize who or what I am.
This year, due to various incidents, I experienced a weakness that is now known as burnout. Having spent 4 years in the depths of burnout during my destructive marriage, I now recognize the signs. Strangely enough, all of the weaknesses that I could otherwise relatively control came to the fore again. World pain, pathological helper syndrome, depression. And it was precisely in this state of weakness that well-known narcissists with a high STS content reappeared in my life. My energetic protection had holes and they occupied my body, draining my energy, my thoughts were of a fearful nature. For me this means a battle for myself every day. The attacks sometimes only last for minutes, sometimes a day and if you are not vigilant and aware, even weeks.
At the moment I feel like I'm on a good path, but I feel enormously the negative dark energies that are weighing on us overall at the moment.

I`m sorry to hear about the burnout. It`s a tough one but you seem on top of it. I`m happy that you are recovering :)
About the negative energies yeah it`s gonna get bumpy for a while, people will react. In my neck of the woods there are random people getting into fights every night. Personally I`m not scared cause I`m fit and know how to fight but after dark if someone comes to visit I escort them from and to the car.
Stay safe!

 

[flashgordonv]

Maybe this excerpt from one of the Forum prayers sums it up.
"I no longer have the need to control everything around me. I do not impose
my will on how I think the world, others or myself should be. Instead, I
trust the universe and I know that all is as it should be. I am open to reality
as it truly is. I accept the light, knowledge, and love of the Divine and I give
it to others."

 

[Wandering Star]

Seven pages in this thread with many members giving their point of view in a more or less similar direction and you continue with your opinion in a different direction.

Somewhere in the thread you asked if what you are asking in this thread is STS.

Yes, for me it is.

For you, according to my perception, the universe is a place where order needs to be put.

 

[Darius1234]

Seven pages in this thread with many members giving their point of view in a more or less similar direction and you continue with your opinion in a different direction.

Not really points of view. Just repeating the same stuff without addressing most of my counter arguments. Also I don`t have a defined opinion that is why I am debating/playing "devil advocate" in order to refine my life philosophy.
So far all that was been said by most members that participated is group think, spiritual nihilism and personal attacks.

For you, according to my perception, the universe is a place where order needs to be put.

Very gross misrepresentation of my points.

To be honest, I`m very disappointed I expected a more philosophical debate. Not to be slapped by ossified dogma.

Good luck in your future endeavors and no hard feelings at least on my part.

 

[Liliea]

Evil arises when fragments of the universe mistakenly believe they are disconnected from infinite consciousness.

It`s also a choice cause you can perceive yourself to be disconnected and still choose to not be a piece of shit. Also the opposite is true to gain this understanding and not give a shit.

Self-perception is in fact a socially promoted and accepted self-deception that distorts the truth, there any choice creates evil.

Destroying evil is meaningless, it is only a thought of negative, defensive, reactive, entropic subjectivity that rejects the nature of all that is.

Is it? Or a sane conclusion after living in a world full of suffering and predation.

Yes, is meaningless, it is only a thought of negative, defensive, reactive, entropic subjectivity that rejects the nature of all that is and in that sense it is not a healthy conclusion. In Self-Defense the love of the fellow man should be the essential, and the objective should be the elevation of the soul in the refinement of its virtues, to have mercy of the other and good heart is superior and helps more to the others (community) than to be trapped in the trenches that the other imposes on him. That the knowledge of the soul is always on a higher level in spite of our own subjective ideology, that is also what resistance consists in.

 

[Wandering Star]

Good luck in your future endeavors and no hard feelings at least on my part.

Thank you, and no hard feelings at least on my part too.

Your path is your path.

In the words of Ra (Law of One):

"The law is One, there are no mistakes."

 

[Jones]

"Change happens when the pain of staying the same becomes greater than the pain of change." If examined carefully, it can be said that the majority change or learning was preceded by some discomfort or suffering, either intrinsic or extrinsic. Take that away and there little impetus to learn and grow.

 

[placematt]

I find Michael toppers illuminating in helping with some of these ideas.

The Wave Chapter 68 - As above, so below
By Michael topper

The problem is: the soul is conditioned by inbuilt patterns of survival, ritual, reproduction and power-acquisition developed on the basis of lower density influences, i.e. the material world, i.e. the Predator’s mind. These are enforced through the basal-brain lobes of the Reptilian complex and the correlating abdominal centers of the autonomic currents in the mind/body.

What beckons the 3rd density consciousness is the intimations of the higher densities of intelligence and life. These intimations can be received in varying strengths and levels based upon the level of congruence or alignment of the individual with the symbols of their life which are there to inform them of what is really being said at the higher levels of their being.

So, we see that the lessons of 4th density are these simple understandings relating to correctly reading the symbols of our reality and aligning ourselves with them by application of our knowledge and awareness. This involves constant work in adjusting, shifting, and realigning ourselves in experimental feedback maneuvers, which generate an ongoing adventure in God seeking.

… We may understand the business of the densities by analogy with Rubik’s Cube. The minimal threshold level of 3rd density consciousness is like being at the center of the Cube, which represents our self-reflection in the outer world, which is given to us in a maximum state of disorder. This means that everything we perceive is received through distorted patterns of a maze.

We must keep in mind that this distorted pattern of our reality is for purposes of catalyst, or forced choices. Being in a maze generates the necessity of choice. Since Unity is not perceived in this reality, the consciousness unit, or soul, is confronted with the requirement of assessing the implications of all interaction with other beings and situations, and of choosing an orientation on the basis of that personal assessment.

There was another bit my Michael I wanted to share but I couldnt find it. It was about how wanting to change the world and end suffering was a trap as it was domineering, which is what STS is. Domination.

 

[Nienna]

Can you argue this point further. I`m asking cause if there is something all psychologists agree about is that suffering/trauma limits one growth and in contrast a supportive, peaceful, loving environment facilitates psychological development.
Kazimierz Dąbrowski goes so far as to say that in a good, supportive environment even those who don`t posses "developmental potential" achieve the highest level of personality development.

Well, I'm not sure "all" psychologists may think that way.

There is this, although not really a psychologist:

He who learns must suffer
And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget
Falls drop by drop upon the heart,
And in our own despair, against our will,
Comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.
Agamemnon, Aeschylus

You want to get rid of all suffering. You've been shown by others how suffering is how we learn. You'd rather not do that. And that's fine, but it's not going to happen here on Earth in 3D. What you want to do would be considered the long wave cycle which takes much longer to advance through because there is nothing to compare STO from STS in that environment.

If one were to eradicate all suffering, that one would be taking away the free will of others to learn their lessons through Karma or the choosing of things they may experience in reincarnating.

Q: (L) Does the interaction between the spirit/soul and the body physical produce some by-product that is desirable to other beings?

A: Well, all things have desirable consequences as well as undesirable consequences, but it must also be mentioned here that everything that exists in all realms of the universe can experience existence in one of only two ways. That would be defined as a long wave cycle and a short wave cycle. Going back to your previous question about why humans are "entrapped" in physical existence, which, of course, is voluntary and chosen, this was due to the desire to change from the long wave cycle experience of completely what you would call ethereal or spiritual existence, to the short wave cycle of what you call physical existence. The difference is that a long wave cycle involves only very gradual change in evolution in a cyclical manner. Whereas a short wave cycle involves a duality. And this is the case with souls in physical bodies as is experienced on this earth plane because the soul experiences an ethereal state for half the cycle and a physical state for the other half of the cycle. While these halves are not measured in time the way you measure time, the totality of experience is equal in each half. The necessity to form the short wave cycle was brought about through nature through the natural bounds of the universe when the group mind of souls chose to experience physicality as opposed to a completely ethereal existence.

Q: (L) Does this interaction produce a by-product?

A: It produces equal by-products of a positive and negative nature.

Q: (L) And what are these by-products?

A: Which one first?

Q: (L) Positive.

A: Positive by-product is an increase in relative energy which speeds up the learning process of the soul and all of it's one dimensional and two dimensional interactive partners. In other words, flora and fauna, minerals, etc. All experience growth and movement towards reunion at a faster rate on the cycle through this short wave cycle physical/ethereal transfer. Of a negative nature, it also produces many negative experiences for these very same entities which otherwise would not exist because being of a first level and second level nature, flora and fauna would ordinarily experience a long term or long wave cycle on the physical plane as opposed to a short wave cycle physical and ethereal, as they do now because of their interaction with the human species in its short wave ethereal/physical cycle.

To me, it seems that you have made up your mind and are just keeping this constant "debate" going for your enjoyment. You have your thoughts about eradicating suffering, and we have shown you why that's not a good idea. I'd even say it's STS-ish in that you are determining the needs of others taking away their ability to learn their lessons. That's fine, that's your path, we have ours. We can agree to disagree.

 

[warriorprincess]

I`m debating cause is seems my only choice is to live in a defensive stance where I use my knowledge to see incoming attracts and hope that in the next life ill get to reincarnate in a better world where evil doesn`t reach me. This is passive.
Oh and I`m 34 survived a psychopathic culture a childhood where I was beaten almost daily and cured myself from cfs/me witch is considered an incurable disease.
I have real power and I want to make the world a better place. That is why I`m debating not because I am a kid.

First I want to say that what you are feeling is legit and very valid! I believe many of us have been right where you are and I just wanted to pop in to tell you to keep going...don't stop here, there is more! You have done a ton of work to get where you are, but there is so much more healing available to you, greater understanding, and greater transformation... I encourage you to keep seeking, keep asking questions and chase after healing like the hounds of hell are nipping at your heels.

There is a universal law that I believe is critical to grasp first. Growth only occurs under pressure/resistance. The actual struggle we experience is the very mechanism that allows us to transform, evolve, grow. (pick whatever word resonates with you). We see this universal law played out in our world over and over again... the only way to reveal muscles is to resistance train with weights - there are literally no shortcuts. A baby chick or duck must struggle against the resistance of the egg shell to be born.. in fact if you interfere and crack the shell for them to "help" them, you are actually cutting their life span insanely short. That struggle to be born is critical to their ability to life a long healthy life.

I don't want to get into a debate of evil vs good as I believe that this is truly a very deep concept that is challenging to grasp due to the amount of programing and misinformation every human experiences in a normal lifespan... so instead I want to challenge you to step out of that concept and instead think of Light vs Darkness. It is the darkness that reveals the Light. This entire experience can boiled down to one job... transform our souls! Transform OUR darkness into Light. We all carry both darkness and Light. It is easy to look at what we see as "extremes" of darkness and reflect inwardly and believe that we are not like that at all.. but until we can see the darkness in ourselves, we can't hope to transform that. We are not here to transform any other soul, just ourselves. The fact alone that we have reincarnated multiple times should clue us in on the monumental task of transforming our own souls - we literally do not have time to focus on others. Darkness can not be defeated with darkness. This again is a universal law. Only Light diminishes the darkness. Think about it... you can be in a huge warehouse that is totally dark... one little candle lit can be seen throughout the warehouse. Sitting in a dark warehouse and continuing to choose more darkness... results in MORE DARKNESS however one tiny candle can be seen in that vast darkness! Light is more powerful then darkness.

I will tell you that I struggled and railed against this universal law myself... I unknowingly married a pedophile and sociopath. I divorced when my boys were 2 and 3. Prior to that point he had zero interest/involvement in the boys, he completely neglected them. I was given a year long protection order during the divorce but the courts refused to protect the boys. My ex started sexually abusing them as soon as he got visitation with them after the divorce. It took us 7 years to get free from this. I have seen great darkness and I have lived with it. I have battled darkness. I will be honest with you and tell you I spent 3 years of my life with three goals 1. get out of bed, 2. don't commit a felony, and 3. don't end up in a padded room. My world had literally boiled down to these three tasks. I can not express the temptation I had to remove his predator from this planet. The struggle was intense, and I could justify ending his life because think of all the other children I could "save"! Thankfully, the Creator imbedded deep in my soul the understanding of that universal law that darkness begets darkness... Light begets Light... you will never ever conquer darkness with more darkness. It is a universal law. I share this to only say, I have not walked your path, only you have, but I can empathize... and my heart can ache for yours... No one came to save me and my boys. We had to save ourselves. We had to find the way to transform that darkness into Light.

I believe that one of the greatest allures of the darkness is to sell us this story that we can "save" each other. It is one of the greatest lies ever told. No one is able to save you... and you are unable to save anyone else. This is a huge distraction and results in us literally handing our power over to the darkness. Every day, every moment, we are either feeding the darkness or feeding the Light. It is that simple. Now not to get distracted into another debate of STS vs STO... when we transform our darkness into Light, we change our frequency... that frequency is what is what helps empower other humans to transform their own darkness. You want to help others? Transform yourself! That frequency is literally felt throughout the entire world!

It is so tempting to help that struggling chick or duck break that bloody egg... but I don't do it, because I realize in my attempt to "help" I am actually causing great harm to that chick/duck. Have you every met a duck or chick that is angry about the struggle to be born? Have you met a bodybuilder that is angry about the struggle with resisting weights? NO! You see animals empowered in overcoming their struggles, you see bodybuilders that are proud of what they have overcame... because it has made them into who they are today! My boys and I will tell you we would walk through all of that darkness again without complaints, to be where we are today.. that pain we experienced in those moments is nothing compared to the true joy of connecting to our souls and power we have revealed in transforming darkness into Light ... Seeing humanity struggle against the darkness is painful ... but I can't imagine ever stepping in and preventing them from experiencing transformation. The "pain" we experience in this realm is fleeting! We decide how long we want to suffer no one else has the power to keep us in suffering.

You are exactly where you are supposed to be... the question now is... are you going to keep going??? Sending you Light and Love.

 

[Ryan]

Like in Return of the Jedi. The emperor wants Luke to kill him, because if he does, Luke’s path towards the dark side will be complete.

I have a slightly different take on that. The emperor didn't want Luke to kill him; the emperor wanted Luke to attempt to kill him, because he knew that Vader would defend him and that would be the only way to goad Luke into a fight to the death with his father. Whoever won, the emperor would have only gained more power. Had Luke actually been strong enough to challenge the emperor on a "level playing field" (à la, Yoda vs Sidious in Ep. III), the Dark Lord would have gone running like a cockroach.

Such is always the way with STS. The one thing they cannot stand is a fair fight. And it seems this is because evil, as a universal anti-archetype, cannot be eliminated, but any individual evil entity sure can be. 'Satan' himself is merely the latest in a long line of cosmically recalcitrant retards, allowed by God to play the part for a little while until soul-smashing reaches its inevitable conclusion, or so I think.

 

[Mark7]

According to The Ra Material, infinite creator is interested in free will. What happens if portions of itself are free to do whatever they want? So, acting against others is acting against self.

The nation state of Israel has been persecuting other nations and peoples since its beginning. Right now other nations are fighting back - what else can they do? You reap what you sow, what goes around comes around, live by the sword, die by the sword, etc.

 

[Joe]

We fall into ignorance and illusions because the current system is designed this way.

So you're assigning fault and blame to something else because YOU are ignorant. But in fact, it no one else's "fault" but yours.

Seems to me that behind your whole "philosophy" is victimhood.

 

[Joe]

Not really points of view. Just repeating the same stuff without addressing most of my counter arguments

You haven't made any points that cannot easily be exposed as faulty thinking. The reason this thread goes on is due to YOUR faulty logic, not that of others.

 

[axj]

"Change happens when the pain of staying the same becomes greater than the pain of change." If examined carefully, it can be said that the majority change or learning was preceded by some discomfort or suffering, either intrinsic or extrinsic. Take that away and there little impetus to learn and grow.

I think it is possible to be motivated by authentic love too, especially after addressing and releasing more and more the causes of suffering through doing the Work. It even seems that there may be a point when motivation through love becomes greater than the motivation through suffering or discomfort.