Iodine and Potassium Iodide

[Oxajil]

That where I need your help is DMSA, so I will ask you briefly:
Why DMSA if we take iodine?

P.S. before I send this to you, I read a couple of recent posts, Yas mentioned Candida. To me stopped all symptoms of Candida (even those thick saliva in the morning) during and after they hunger for iodine. Still they did not show up, regardless of this current messy taking iodine.

Well Iodine can only mobilize Heavy metals in the body, and then we have to find a way to get them out of the body. One efective and suggested chemical method is by using DMSA on the days when you are off the iodine.

As i read you post i can see that you are supplementing iodine somehow very chaotic.You are increasing dosages too much and too quickly. Its just my view.The dosage that you are taking is a high. I`m glad that you have some benefits from iodine. Dark and tough periods are common for almost all who is on iodine. Read their testimonials in this thread. You can also correct your diet and avoid too much carbs.
VIt C is an antidote for iodine , so take it few hours away from iodine
For a salty water use non refined sea salt. Add just a half a tea spoon in warm water. Dont add too much. You shoud do that first thing in the morning. Then after some time breakfast and then you can take the iodine. I think its a good idea to read carefully all the posts in the iodine thread and some of the recommended books from Dr Brownstein and Lynn Farrow.Also listen the show on Blog talk radio with Lynn farrow. Its full with information.
Take care

I agree Kika, perhaps go for a few drops and take two days off in a week. That helped me with calming down some of the symptoms! Also highly recommend the book (here's one of Dr. Brownstein's books) and radio show (can be found here) mentioned by Konstantin.

If DMSA is not an option, you can also take a look here for other ways to help your body detox heavy metals: Detoxification: Heavy Metals, Mercury and how to get rid of them.

Also, you mentioned eating bread, did you mean regular bread? Some breads contain bromide, and they all contain gluten which is damaging to your body! If you haven't already, I highly recommend looking into a gluten-free/paleo diet.

Added: Just wanted to add that the amount of information can be daunting! So try to take it a step at a time :)

 

[Aeneas]

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And this was a very good summary on detoxing, what you should know and how to proceed (also about the role of chlorella and cilantro) by Dr. Klinghardt:

https://www.klinghardtacademy.com/images/stories/Heavy_Metal_Toxicity/Mercury_Toxicity_and_Systemic_Elimination_Agents.pdf

Quotes:

.... CAUTION: If at any time one develops nausea or starts "burping up" the chlorella taste then the chlorella should be stopped immediately as a food sensitivity is developing which will only worsen if you continue taking it.

Last year I took chlorella tablets for some time and stopped when I got nauseous after taking them. About 4 weeks ago I resumed taking them until I got nauseous again, stopped a couple of days and got another chlorella tablet on a Sunday after breakfast. Around 3 hours later I started vomitting.
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Thank you Dirgni and Aragorn for the posts about Chlorella sensitivity, as I three weeks ago after having taken a tsp of chlorella for about a month, started to feel nauseous and throwing up about an hour after having taken the chorella. I only very rarely throw up and I put it down to something else. Then it repeated two more times and after the last time, I knew that it for me was the chlorella as the other things had been eliminated. I even had a bad feeling taking it on that morning as though I had an aversion to it. So I guess the body was right in this aversion, but good to see the connection between chlorella and food allergies for some people.

 

[RflctnOfU]

Quick update in regards to the C's statement about will power improving.

I noticed a couple of days ago that the 'filter' between a thought of doing something and actually doing it seems to have mostly dissolved. My will has indeed strengthened, and I suspect this is just the beginning. Though I liken this process to watching the grass grow. Day by day things look the same, but a snapshot two or three weeks apart shows a big difference. Anyone else notice this or something similar?

Kris

 

[Leland]

Had some issues with Herx which are well documented in another thread, but I thought I'd post some of the positive aspects before that flare up.

I had had reactions in the past to shrimp/shellfish; shortness of breath, heart palpitation, semi-anxiety attack stuff, so was told by an MD I was allergic to iodine. I'm not crazy about seafood anyways so I just avoided it.

With that past experience, I started with 150 mcg doses of liquid and slowly worked my way up to a 6.25 mg capsule, then later added the liquid form to the capsule, and eventually worked my way up to two 6.25 capsules just shortly before all Herx broke loose.

However, and before that, I did have some very positive changes:

• Drastic reduction in BPH/enlarged prostate symptoms. I was not feeling it all the time as before, and was able to sleep without waking to go several times a night. Very nice.
• Deeper and more restful sleep, and some dreaming which hadn't had in years
• More energy and ability to focus. Instead of dwelling on all the reasons to postpone something (gonna be difficult, take a lot time, etc.) I could just formulate a plan in my head, 1,2, 3, execute, and it was done before I knew it.
• Reviewing/pondering past relationships and actions. A nice mix of heavy negative stuff and experiences of levity and happiness I had not thought of in years
• On the vanity side, a significant elimination of grey hair. It's always in style so I'll wear it later ;D

I'll get back to it when the body says it's time. Was fascinating to follow the thread beginning back in November as you pioneers paved the way

 

[Kika]

Hi Konstantin and Oxajil

Thanks for; answer, advice, guidance and good wishes.

 

[RedFox]

I forgot to mention that I've been eating a lot more for the last month or so.

I also have an increased feeling of hunger. After listening to the interview with Lynne Farrow it makes it clear that it is probably due to iodine, but still strange because I take only one drop of 2% Lugol per day, which isn't much at all. And even if I am busy, it's no problem to go on without eating, but when I do eat it seems like the usual amount isn't enough.

Earlier in the thread it was also mentioned that increased appetite is a symptom of bromide toxicity, so people who report an increase in hunger when taking the iodine may be mobilizing bromides. But Lynne Farrow's explanation made sense, too, so it's hard to say. I've definitely noticed increased hunger myself, along with some minor weight gain. I'm hoping it's transitory!

After listening to the show I tried upping my food intake as an experiment. I've not been feeling hungry.
I think that if you are on the skinny side and/or are having trouble staying warm (feel the cold easily), you need to be eating more.
I've deliberately doubled the amount of food I'm eating, and don't feel the cold any more (I had been feeling extra cold for the last few weeks).

One thing of note is that the body needs lots of energy if it is healing things, it needs lots of resources to rebuild structures. So lots of mineral and nutrient rich food would be a good idea, especially if you're skinny.

Something interesting did happen with trying this - I ran into old issues, mostly to do with my body feeling achy all over if I ate more. Memories came back with this of how I never spoke up about being hungry as a kid (I felt like I couldn't), so this seems to have been internalized along with other misconceptions into a sort of 'barely existing/take only just enough (food, space, resources) to survive'.
Which is a little bonkers. I know others have mentioned feeling terrible (fatigue, pain etc) when trying to eat more food, so wanted to mention possible psychosomatic/emotional causes in case it helps.

Understanding this does actually seem to have cleared up the body pain/fatigue from eating more, and the pain has turned into emotions associated with the old memories (anger, frustration, dispair etc).

 

[SeekinTruth]

I've actually been feeling better overall eating more. I'm one of those who can't gain weigh (in the form of stored fat - I can and have in the past gained weigh in the form of increased muscle mass) no matter what and how much I eat. It's the same now, I haven't put on any weight.

I was also getting cold hands before, at around the time when my low energy issues had started last year. For some reason it was more in my right hand. That cleared up with iodine and eating more.

 

[anartist]

Just thought I'd cross-post this here in case anyone missed it - people should check out the Health and Wellness Show interview with Lynne Farrow (The Iodine Crisis). It was a great interview and Lynne gave a lot of valuable information about iodine :)

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sottradionetwork/2016/02/26/health-wellness-show-the-iodine-crisis--interview-with-lynne-farrow

Yes, it was a good show! There was no mention of fluoride as far as I remember (I will have to listen again) the focus seemed to be on bromide. maybe because it is easier to avoid (change drinking water, hmmm though not bathing water) whereas bromide is hard to avoid. I also would have asked a question, if I could've phoned in about chloride.

 

[Alana]

Concerning the Candida, I see that others have brought up its connection with HM toxicity.

I've read in autism forum that it is fairly common that the candida issues flare up again after using a metal chalator, so I thought about taking some nystatin as well. Yet, I was researching a bit and I've found a paper analyzing the effectiveness of Saccharomyces boulardii vs. nystatin in treating candida in babies. They've found that S. boulardii was more effective in some things but the effectiveness in candida per se was almost the same, it seems. Nevertheless, I rather take S. boulardii for while because it really seems to be doing something. Maybe even take some nystatin for a few days and then continue with the probiotics. Also, it seems that candida can become resistant to nystatin as well, so it might be better to treat it with a probiotic, combined with garlic and maybe pau d'arco as Gaby mentioned.

Thank you for the paper on S. boulardii, I ordered some. I have tested positive for candida in a recent test and I just did not want to take nystatin again. Last time I did, it was brutal to my stomach, and just felt awful in general. I don't think that currently my candida issues are severe, at least compared to many years ago when I looked into it and had most of the symptoms then, so I am going to skip nystatin this time and go with S. boulardii, Grape Seed Extract, Oregano Oil, Caprilic Acid (from coconut oil/MCT oil) and garlic. Most of these are good against parasites and viruses too, so it's win all around :) And of course limit the sugars and all the foods that feed candida.

 

[canavare]

First, I had like to thank to all forum members who share their knowlodge and experience regarding to ''Iodine and Iodide'' especially to Gaby and to Laura.

Dr. Segura's article ( http://www.sott.net/article/307684-Iodine-Suppressed-knowledge-that-can-change-your-life ) was an excellent summary about (Iodine+Iodide) and was very helpful.

Starting from January, under this thread HM chelation and HM detox is also discussed extensively, which was very informative also. But I am a little bit lost in combining ''Iodine+Iodide supplementation'' with ''HM detox protocols'' .
Are there any post which covers this topic clearly? Thanks in advance.

 

[Gaby]

Starting from January, under this thread HM chelation and HM detox is also discussed extensively, which was very informative also. But I am a little bit lost in combining ''Iodine+Iodide supplementation'' with ''HM detox protocols'' .
Are there any post which covers this topic clearly? Thanks in advance.

You could do a search on the forum on "DMSA". It boils down to:

DMSA 100-200mg before going to bed twice per week as a trial test. If no severe detox symptoms, check out this thread and these posts:

https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,16812.msg147217.html#msg147217
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,16812.msg148970.html#msg148970

The books and sites mentioned in that thread are a good reference.

 

[Drazen]

About my experience with Iodine so far.

I've read this whole thread in January and been checking it every day for new posts. Also have read Brownstein's Iodine: Why You Need It, Why You Can't Live Without It.

I've started with one drop of Lugol's on February 1st (4mg Potassium Iodide + 3.62mg of elemental Iodine = 7.62mg per drop, as it says on the bottle). About 10 days before that I started with B2 (100mg), B3 (Niacinamide, 500mg), Selenium (200mg) , Boron (3mg), Zinc (50mg) with my breakfast. I was also taking half a teaspoon of unrefined Celtic Sea Salt in the morning as I wake up, and then another half after 5pm, and about 5mg of vitamin C around noon. I've continued with taking those same amounts daily also when I started with Iodine.

So, salt in a glass of warm water when I wake up (5:30am), half an hour later I start with my breakfast and take a drop (now I'm taking 2 drops) of Lugol's in water, with other co-factors I mentioned above. Then half an hour later I take NAC (1000mg), Milk Thistle (300mg), and ALA (150mg). Then at my workplace, between 9am - 12am, I drink slowly 5mg of vitC.

On my 4th and 5th day I had a sore throat and slightly aching skin all over the body, so I paused for next two days but continued with the co-factors. After that I resumed with one drop for the next two weeks. There was no sore throat or aching skin anymore but there were brief moments of anxiety, some pressure-like feeling in my left inner ear and in other parts of my head/neck, occasional slight pain inside my ankles, and some muscle spasms in my feet and elsewhere. When I started taking potassium chloride and magnesium citrate before bedtime (was waiting for the shipment to arrive) those symptoms got rarer.

After 3 full weeks on 1 drop I increased the dose to 2 drops (about 15mg) and I haven't had any stronger symptoms yet than already mentioned ones. I'm planning to increase the dose to 3 drops after I pass the three weeks mark on 2 drops (I decided that I will increase the dose slowly, every three weeks).

I had a slight boost in energy only the first day and I remember my dreams a bit better, on some nights they are more intense and weirder.

More than 2 years ago I was taking (for a couple of months) smaller doses of Iodine, between 2-5 mg almost daily (it was Iosol), but when I took higher dose (I have mistakenly released much more drops from the dropper, don't know how many) I had strong Herx reaction which lasted for a few days, and after that I somehow stopped taking it, I was probably a little frightened by it.

I'm still waiting for cilantro/chlorella tincture and chlorella package to arrive, it's better than taking nothing for HMs, DMSA is too expensive for me now. A few days ago I also started taking probiotic Bacillus Coagulans before bedtime (with K and Mg).

So that's it for now, I will report again if/when something changes.

 

[SeekinTruth]

Just making sure, drazen, but I think you mean 200 mcg or selenium (not mg) and 5 g or vitamin C (not mg)?

Just wanted to say that ALA is also good for heavy metal chelation, besides other important benefits. The R form is much better (but it has to be stabilized and "bio-enhanced") than standard Alpha form.

 

[RedFox]

So, salt in a glass of warm water when I wake up (5:30am), half an hour later I start with my breakfast and take a drop (now I'm taking 2 drops) of Lugol's in water, with other co-factors I mentioned above. Then half an hour later I take NAC (1000mg), Milk Thistle (300mg), and ALA (150mg). Then at my workplace, between 9am - 12am, I drink slowly 5mg of vitC.

You should move the vitC to 2-4pm to give the iodine a chance to do it's thing. Vitamin C cancels out the iodine, so better to take it in the afternoon.

 

[Drazen]

Just making sure, drazen, but I think you mean 200 mcg or selenium (not mg) and 5 g or vitamin C (not mg)?

Just wanted to say that ALA is also good for heavy metal chelation, besides other important benefits. The R form is much better (but it has to be stabilized and "bio-enhanced") than standard Alpha form.

Yes, I meant 200 mcg of selenium and 5g of vitamin C For now I will use those 150mg caps in standard Alpha form, I considered buying the R form but it's more expensive so it will have to wait a bit before I have enough financial resources for it.

So, salt in a glass of warm water when I wake up (5:30am), half an hour later I start with my breakfast and take a drop (now I'm taking 2 drops) of Lugol's in water, with other co-factors I mentioned above. Then half an hour later I take NAC (1000mg), Milk Thistle (300mg), and ALA (150mg). Then at my workplace, between 9am - 12am, I drink slowly 5mg of vitC.

You should move the vitC to 2-4pm to give the iodine a chance to do it's thing. Vitamin C cancels out the iodine, so better to take it in the afternoon.

Yeah, it would probably be better to take vitC later in afternoon, I thought that taking it 3-5 hours after iodine would be ok if I drink it slowly, as I saw that some folks here take it even 1-2 hours after taking Iodine, or at least it was suggested to them that way. Of course I don't want to cancel the work of Iodine so I will change that. Thanks.