Iodine and Potassium Iodide

Laura said:
Thought I would mention that, for some time, my tinnitus has been seeming to calm down. I waited to observe it for awhile before saying anything, but yes, it seems to be reduced by about 60% and that is a real blessing!

Good to hear. You seem to have been struggling with tinnitus for quite a while. If I remember correctly, you've had improvements/ups-and-downs in the past too. Hopefully, you continue improving with iodine.


I got a shipment of some supplements yesterday, and began taking them yesterday and today (my mom too). Betaine HCL with pepsin; and a folinic acid (in the form of calcium folinate) with B12 as methylcobalamin and trimethylglycine. I'm waiting for more methylated B supplements to arrive soon. I also took some (300mg) of R-lipoic-acid, and will take another capsule soon - 3 hours apart (in between 1g vitamin C powder).

Still taking 6 drops twice daily of Lugol's (7.1mg iodine/potassium iodide combo). I'll update if any effects are seen with the new supplements.
 
will01 said:
My question is, would a 375mg dose (or even 250mg) per day be effective enough rather than try to find the maximum amount tolerated? Given the expense of DMSA, it would be a waste not to take an effective amount. On the other hand, who wants side effects and can afford time off work?

Just curious, is your DMSA from SuissePharma? They usually come in 125mg per cap and it is the best price in the market so far.

A 375mg dose should be effective. Even a 100-200mg every two days helps to decrease the load of mercury at long term. The important thing is that you tolerate the dose and don't have debilitating symptoms that will impair your everyday functioning.

will01 said:
Forgot to mention that on the last day of the second DMSA round, my urine went bright yellow and was somewhat denser than usual with a strong odour. Thought it may have been the vitamins, but when not taking the DMSA with the vitamins, it was a more usual pale yellow.

Yeah, that could be the detox. I took a DMSA dose of 15mg/kg and my urine at 3 hours was very yellow and dense. I took extra water and it helped to make it more clear. The urine had a strong sulfur-like smell. I took a sample after 6 hours from taking the DMSA and sent it to a lab to have it analyzed. The urine was practically a bio-hazard with mercury levels 20 times above the maximum accepted. So yes, more detox for me!
 
Divide By Zero said:
From a post in a session thread:
ziggystarlust said:
Well, you probsbly do not want to be grossed out, but the pictures are not of "stool" but what is in it held up for obsevation. It's called Mucoid plaque if you wish to search for images.

Even though it was about the fiber and other protocols, I sometimes experience small bits of this during the iodine protocol where I would have on/off bowel issues.
Thanks for mentioning the term ziggy, now I see that the iodine protocol is really detoxing!

I think Mucoid Plaque is an invention of herbal supplement companies. I was worried about it at one time but after looking into it further I couldn't see any validity to the idea. The product that claims to remove them contains fiber and stuff that essentially puffs up into a slimy mess in your intestines - creating exactly the material it claims to remove. They even go so far as to claim that bowel pains during the process are normal because the plaque is getting scraped off. Uck.

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?action=post;quote=367227;topic=28799.800;last_msg=639371
 
Gaby said:
Just curious, is your DMSA from SuissePharma? They usually come in 125mg per cap and it is the best price in the market so far.

A 375mg dose should be effective. Even a 100-200mg every two days helps to decrease the load of mercury at long term. The important thing is that you tolerate the dose and don't have debilitating symptoms that will impair your everyday functioning.

Yep, SuissePharma 125mg, 120 caps per bottle. Bought it on ebay at the start of 2015 for about $104 Australian, posted. To buy the same now would cost about $164 Au :jawdrop:! Our exchange rate doesn't help.

I will try 375mg on the next round and see how things go. Thanks for the reply :)

Gaby said:
Yeah, that could be the detox. I took a DMSA dose of 15mg/kg and my urine at 3 hours was very yellow and dense. I took extra water and it helped to make it more clear. The urine had a strong sulfur-like smell. I took a sample after 6 hours from taking the DMSA and sent it to a lab to have it analyzed. The urine was practically a bio-hazard with mercury levels 20 times above the maximum accepted. So yes, more detox for me!

Whoa, that's a serious amount of mercury! Hope you can bring the levels down with no/minimal side effects.

Your description sounds very similar to mine and I have been drinking lots of water too, especially since starting the Lugols.
 
monotonic said:
Divide By Zero said:
From a post in a session thread:
ziggystarlust said:
Well, you probsbly do not want to be grossed out, but the pictures are not of "stool" but what is in it held up for obsevation. It's called Mucoid plaque if you wish to search for images.

Even though it was about the fiber and other protocols, I sometimes experience small bits of this during the iodine protocol where I would have on/off bowel issues.
Thanks for mentioning the term ziggy, now I see that the iodine protocol is really detoxing!

I think Mucoid Plaque is an invention of herbal supplement companies. I was worried about it at one time but after looking into it further I couldn't see any validity to the idea. The product that claims to remove them contains fiber and stuff that essentially puffs up into a slimy mess in your intestines - creating exactly the material it claims to remove. They even go so far as to claim that bowel pains during the process are normal because the plaque is getting scraped off. Uck.

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?action=post;quote=367227;topic=28799.800;last_msg=639371

I agree. That stuff is dangerous especially for those with sensitive colons.
 
Laura said:
Thought I would mention that, for some time, my tinnitus has been seeming to calm down. I waited to observe it for awhile before saying anything, but yes, it seems to be reduced by about 60% and that is a real blessing!

I'm glad to hear that too -- tinnitus sucks, so it must be a relief to have it diminished.
 
will01 said:
Yep, SuissePharma 125mg, 120 caps per bottle.

Okay, so I'll get that next time. I didn't buy it because I couldn't find any reliable testimonials.

Thank you!
 
monotonic said:
Divide By Zero said:
From a post in a session thread:
ziggystarlust said:
Well, you probsbly do not want to be grossed out, but the pictures are not of "stool" but what is in it held up for obsevation. It's called Mucoid plaque if you wish to search for images.

Even though it was about the fiber and other protocols, I sometimes experience small bits of this during the iodine protocol where I would have on/off bowel issues.
Thanks for mentioning the term ziggy, now I see that the iodine protocol is really detoxing!

I think Mucoid Plaque is an invention of herbal supplement companies. I was worried about it at one time but after looking into it further I couldn't see any validity to the idea. The product that claims to remove them contains fiber and stuff that essentially puffs up into a slimy mess in your intestines - creating exactly the material it claims to remove. They even go so far as to claim that bowel pains during the process are normal because the plaque is getting scraped off. Uck.

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?action=post;quote=367227;topic=28799.800;last_msg=639371

Agreed. I didn't have this from using the supplements but during a bout of illness that never made it to become a flu or cold. There was pain and constipation before the plaque was discharged.
It may have been from eating nuts or sausage, a lot of them have the tough skin exterior.

I think the iodine works better at this than any of those crazy cleanses. The iodine seems to be more gradual and gentle. Same for zapping the bugs- I would never have been able to do the antiobiotic protocol and still be able to go to work!
 
In this post I made in another thread: https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,12314.msg639858.html#msg639858 which includes some info about lithium, there is a mention of thyroid issues that may be relevant to the topic of iodine supplementation for those folks who have a severe or negative reaction. The paragraph reads:

Studies of lithium’s effect upon hyperthyroid conditions consistently demonstrate major regulation of thyroid hormones triiodothyronine (T3) and thyroxine (T4). The most common cause of hyperthyroid hormones is Grave’s disease. In a study of lithium’s effect upon Grave’s disease, it was determined that lithium reduced T3 by 42% and T4 by 28%. These amazing changes occurred in just 7 days.
 
I have been taking very small amounts of iodine (strong Lugol's), less than a drop about every other day in filtered water. The acne flare is just unbelievable. I am 14 years out of menopause. :(
I am remembering now that I quit using iodized salt altogether years ago, avoided crustaceans too, because of acne flares.
I listened to the podcast about iodine last week. Great show! Most interesting about theobromine. Yikes.
I have started putting the tiny bit on the skin of my foot on alternate days, instead of drinking it.
Good news is that I feel really warm (normal!). Usually I have pretty bad cold intolerance.
For example, in summer I like to go sit in my hot car during lunch just to get warm from the 74F A/C at the office.
Another thing I have noticed is that I seem to be more productive at work, keeping up with paperwork better, not feeling exhausted so much. Moods are generally good and stable.
 
Yupo said:
I have been taking very small amounts of iodine (strong Lugol's), less than a drop about every other day in filtered water. The acne flare is just unbelievable.

Yupo, try adding zinc picolinate 50mg with foods every day. It should help with the acne and detox in general.

:flowers:
 
Yupo said:
I have been taking very small amounts of iodine (strong Lugol's), less than a drop about every other day in filtered water. The acne flare is just unbelievable. I am 14 years out of menopause. :(
I am remembering now that I quit using iodized salt altogether years ago, avoided crustaceans too, because of acne flares.

Acne is often a sign of poor liver function, so you may be detoxing faster than your liver can handle and your skin is picking up the slack. It might be worth adding some Milk Thistle, and possibly alpha lipoic acid and NAC. In addition, since iodine mobilizes heavy metals, adding some chlorella may help by binding to heavy metals if they're being mobilized by the iodine. A stronger heavy metal chelation protocol with DMSA may also be helpful.

If there's inflammation with the detoxing (which acne could also be a sign of), adding Krill oil may be helpful as an anti-inflammatory.

Yupo said:
I listened to the podcast about iodine last week. Great show! Most interesting about theobromine. Yikes.

I think you mean bromine, which is one of the toxic halogens/halides that displaces iodine and has to be detoxed, rather than theobromine, which is one of the compounds in chocolate (the Theobroma trees :) ). I believe detoxing bromine could also cause acne, but should also be helped with liver support.
 
Laura said:
Thought I would mention that, for some time, my tinnitus has been seeming to calm down. I waited to observe it for awhile before saying anything, but yes, it seems to be reduced by about 60% and that is a real blessing!

In case this is of interest:

Tinnitus mapped inside human brain
By Jonathan Webb Science reporter, BBC News

23 April 2015
From the section Science & Environment
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Image caption About 1% of adults in the UK have tinnitus that is severe enough to affect their quality of life

For the first time, signals relating to the constant ringing noise of tinnitus have been mapped across the brain of a patient undergoing surgery.

In this rare case, a man with tinnitus was being monitored to trace his epileptic seizures, with 164 electrodes placed directly onto his brain.

Researchers compared brain activity when his tinnitus was loud, with periods when it was quiet.

They spotted differences spread over a surprisingly wide set of brain areas.

The study appears in the journal Current Biology.

Tinnitus, the constant presence of phantom sounds, affects around 10% of adults in the UK; for 1% it is severe enough to affect their quality of life. Often it takes the form of a ringing sound, but it can be anything from a roar to a hiss.

In many cases it begins with partial hearing loss, sometimes due to loud noise wearing out the hair cells that convert sound waves into neural signals, inside the inner ear. The brain adjusts to that loss of input by boosting certain types of activity, creating the impression of a noise that nobody else can hear.
Precious opportunity

Previous efforts to pinpoint those changes within the brain have used scanning techniques (such as fMRI), which are much less precise than the electrodes used in the new study. Others have used models of tinnitus in laboratory animals.

Only one other team has recorded directly from inside the brain of a human tinnitus sufferer; that study was part of an effort to treat tinnitus itself with surgery, and involved just four electrodes.

These much more extensive recordings were a fortunate coincidence.

"It is such a rarity that a person requiring invasive electrode monitoring for epilepsy also has tinnitus, that we aim to study every such person if they are willing," said Dr Phillip Gander, from the University of Iowa in the US.

The patient concerned was a 50-year-old man with intractable epilepsy. To try and find the source of his seizures, electrodes were implanted across his left hemisphere for two weeks, ahead of surgery to try and eliminate them.
Image caption Coloured circles show where the strength of various different rhythms of brain activity correlated with the strength of the tinnitus the patient was hearing

At the heart of the study is a method for manipulating tinnitus, called "residual inhibition". On 60 occasions over the course of two days, researchers played their subject a 30-second burst of noise on headphones. About half the time, the man's tinnitus - in his case a constant, high-pitched ringing - was quiet in the period immediately following the noise.

"Once we had that contrast between the normal tinnitus and the suppressed tinnitus trials... we could compare the brain activity between those two states," said co-author William Sedley, a doctor and neuroscientist at Newcastle University. This comparison revealed traces of the tinnitus within the man's brain.

Specifically, the researchers mapped out particular "oscillations" - rhythmic brain waves caused by many neurons firing in synchrony - that were linked to the tinnitus.

"Rather than just a small area of auditory cortex... we found that these correlates of tinnitus were present throughout a huge proportion of the brain areas we sampled," Dr Sedley told BBC News.
Revising strategies

Some earlier work has also suggested that a widespread network is involved in tinnitus, including brain areas outside those "auditory" sections that we know are involved in hearing. But this is the first time the abnormal activity of that network has been plotted in such detail.

The scientists emphasised that this is only one tinnitus patient, and the condition can vary.

"It would be nice to get a few more cases as they come along, if they do, to try and compare them and see commonalities and differences," Dr Sedley explained.

But the confirmation of a broad pattern of underlying brain activity is important, he said.

"A number of models - and therefore treatment approaches - have aimed to pinpoint a particular part of the auditory cortex, that relates to the frequency being heard, either by targeting it physically in the brain, or with sounds at that frequency.

"But our results suggest that... it's a much wider part of the auditory cortex, and the brain, that's implicated in tinnitus, So these strategies might have to be revised or reconsidered a bit."
Image caption Tinnitus often begins with hearing loss, caused by damage to hair cells in the inner ear

Prof Andrew King, an auditory neuroscientist at Oxford University, said the results were a "huge step up" in terms of tracing the detailed underpinnings of tinnitus, particularly compared to brain imaging. But like the authors, he emphasised that this is a single case study and that tinnitus is "highly variable" between individuals.

"There are a lot of animal studies which look at what happens to individual neurons... but human work has largely been limited to fMRI," he said.

"So this provides a step in between. It provides much higher resolution information about the changes that take place in the brain - albeit of this one individual - whilst tinnitus is being perceived."

Prof King agreed that the findings were a striking confirmation of the idea that tinnitus is not a simple product of changes within the hearing pathway.

"In order to reach the level of conscious perception, there are other areas involved," he said.

Shared by Jack Kruze on FB with the accompanying comment:

Tinnitus is from a brain's mitochondria in the brainstem and acoustic radiations telling the owner of said brain the environment they are currently in is suboptimal and they should move. The ringing is the brain's way of signaling the animal it is trying to heal itself by creating phonons to raise the DC electric current in th brain to increase the local melatonin levels to shrink the respiratory proteins. Wild animals listen to their intuition and move and modern humans cannot fathom they need to move and instead go to the ENT doctors and get meds that don't work and remain in those environments. That is why so people in population dense areas are getting tinnitus. Enjoy, your cell phone, wifi, and laptops in you coffee shops and street corners in your major urban centers. And don't lean up against a wall with an outlet. AC currents really drive a brain nuts.
 
itellsya said:
Shared by Jack Kruze on FB with the accompanying comment:

Tinnitus is from a brain's mitochondria in the brainstem and acoustic radiations telling the owner of said brain the environment they are currently in is suboptimal and they should move. The ringing is the brain's way of signaling the animal it is trying to heal itself by creating phonons to raise the DC electric current in th brain to increase the local melatonin levels to shrink the respiratory proteins. Wild animals listen to their intuition and move and modern humans cannot fathom they need to move and instead go to the ENT doctors and get meds that don't work and remain in those environments. That is why so people in population dense areas are getting tinnitus. Enjoy, your cell phone, wifi, and laptops in you coffee shops and street corners in your major urban centers. And don't lean up against a wall with an outlet. AC currents really drive a brain nuts.

I have tinnitus since a kid, I think from ear infections. After 4 months of iodine, it is still the same. I only really notice it if I have earplugs in or it's really quiet. These claims I think could be easily tested. You'd think that a retreat to the mountains or a general change in environment would make for a difference.
 

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