Iodine and Potassium Iodide

[Nienna]

I had trouble with the probiotics powder from the capsule either floating on the top of the water and sticking to the sides of the bucket when the level of the water dropped or just sinking to the bottom under the line of the funnel. Do you think I just need to give it a longer stir?

Only now I saw your question, lainey. When I was doing my online research on the subject of probiotic retention enemas, I read somewhere (and for the life of me, I can't find it again!) that it is best to add your probiotics in water and leave them for about 8 hours, before doing the retention thing. I haven't done it myself yet, but maybe that makes a difference?

fwiw

http://pronutrics.net/probiotic-enema-benefits/

Here’s a step by step guide on how you can self-administer a probiotic enema, ensuring that there are no lumps in your enema mixture:

Thank you, birk, for finding this! Reading it feels familiar, so it might have been my source of information.

I've been looking up info on this same thing and found this short article a couple of days back that says exactly what you are talking about. I had bookmarked it. You can read it here.

It's very similar to what birk posted so it's nice to see that there is more than one site suggesting to do this this way.

 

[Persej]

I did another ultrasound of my thyroid and everything is the same. I still have one nodule but it is the same size as before. So obviously iodine hasn't done anything bad to my thyroid.

About a month ago I started to feel a slight warmth in my thyroid after I take iodine, so I thought that maybe I don't need so much iodine anymore, so I dropped to 1 drop per day. And I also take two days off. And I was ok with that. Before I couldn't be on such a small dose and with such a big pause without iodine, but now I don't have any problems. I still feel that warmth sometimes. No pain, just warmth.

My heart is still not healthy, but I do feel much better than before. I don't have heart problems during the night anymore, and the weather changes are not affecting me as before.

 

[lainey]

I had trouble with the probiotics powder from the capsule either floating on the top of the water and sticking to the sides of the bucket when the level of the water dropped or just sinking to the bottom under the line of the funnel. Do you think I just need to give it a longer stir?

Only now I saw your question, lainey. When I was doing my online research on the subject of probiotic retention enemas, I read somewhere (and for the life of me, I can't find it again!) that it is best to add your probiotics in water and leave them for about 8 hours, before doing the retention thing. I haven't done it myself yet, but maybe that makes a difference?

fwiw

http://pronutrics.net/probiotic-enema-benefits/

Here’s a step by step guide on how you can self-administer a probiotic enema, ensuring that there are no lumps in your enema mixture:

Thank you, birk, for finding this! Reading it feels familiar, so it might have been my source of information.

I've been looking up info on this same thing and found this short article a couple of days back that says exactly what you are talking about. I had bookmarked it. You can read it here.

It's very similar to what birk posted so it's nice to see that there is more than one site suggesting to do this this way.

Thank you for your replies Alana, Nienna and Birk, this is really useful information and should certainly solve the issue.

 

[Konstantin]

A Little update from me .

I am taking iodine for a few months in a row. After my first bad episode with iodine, i started a slow , with very small dosages.
And it is ok for me. I was increasing the dose very gently . Now I'm taking 3 drops of 2.5 % lugols , 3 times per week. Every Monday, Wednesday, and Fryday and then 2 days off. From cofactors, i take only selenium the same day when I take iodine.

Last 2 weeks I noticed that I have a very bitter taste in my mouth. No matter what I do, no matter what I eat or wash my mouth and teeth, the bitter taste is still present.
I guess it's some kind of detox reaction started by iodine.

Also, I need to eat very salty food.I was enjoying little more salt forever , but now I really need much more salt. I put extra salt in everything I do and I enjoy that feeling of salt in my mouth. I now from this forum and Dr. Brownstein book that when on iodine we need that extra salt, but it was interesting to see how my body enjoys and asks for all that extra salt that I consume.

No other symptoms besides the bitter taste in my mouth and the need for an extra salt.

 

[PERLOU]

Depuis le 15 06 16 suite à nouvelles directives de Laura
Directement au lever le matin : 3 grammes L-Arginine
1 heure après : ½ cuillère à café de sel marin Celtic dans un grand verre d'eau
Petit déjeuner : 2 cuillerées à café de Glycine qui adoucit mon thé
Directement avec le petit-déjeuner (bol de thé) : 1 comprimé super vitamine B complexe, 1 comprimé sélénium, Lugol 5 gouttes 12% dans un verre d'eau
1heure après 3 grammes L-Arginine
Directement après le déjeuner midi : Chardon-Marie 1 comprimé ou 1 comprimé de NAC
Dans l'après-midi : 1 cuillerée à café Vitamine C dans un verre d’eau
3 heures après avoir mangé le dernier repas de la journée : 3 grammes L-Arginine
Avant de dormir : magnésium 1 comprimé

Mes analyses de sang indiquaient concernant ma thyroïde :
En Janvier 2015 : TSH U.S. (3ème génération) 1.564 mUI/l - Intervalles de référence : 0.40 à 3.70 - Antériorité 01/06/2012 : 1.99
En Février 2016 : TSH U.S. (3ème génération) 7.886 mUI/l - Intervalles de référence : 0.40 à 3.70 - Antériorité 22/01/2015 : 1.564
En Août 2016 : TSH U.S. (3ème génération) 10.500 mUI/l - Intervalles de référence : 0.40 à 3.70 - Antériorité 09/02/2016 : 7.886

J'ai perdu ma Maman le 07/03/2015 ce qui pourrait expliqué cette progression à 7.886 suite à un choc émotionnel mais d'après la biologiste, si c'était le cas ce taux aurait dû diminué en Août 2016...

Je prends du Lugol 5 à 6 gouttes 12% dans un verre d'eau depuis novembre 2015.

Je dois passer une échographie le mardi 23/08/16 et voir mon Médecin qui s'inquiète le 25/08/16...

Je vous tiendrai au courant mais j'aimerais savoir ce que vous en pensez...




Since June 15, 16 after new guidelines Laura

Directly up in the morning: 3 grams L-Arginine
1 hour after: ½ teaspoon of Celtic sea salt in a glass of water
Breakfast: 2 teaspoons of Glycine that softens my tea
Directly with breakfast (tea bowl): 1 super tablet vitamin B complex, selenium 1 tablet, Lugol 5 drops 12% in a glass of water
1 hour after 3 grams L-Arginine
Directly after lunch Afternoon: Thistle 1 tablet or 1 tablet of NAC
In the afternoon: 1 teaspoon Vitamin C in a glass of water
3 hours after eating the last meal of the day: 3 grams L-Arginine
Before sleep: 1 tablet Magnesium

My blood tests showed about my thyroid:
In January 2015 U. S. TSH (3rd generation) 1. 564 mIU / l - Reference Intervals: 0. 40 to 3. 70 - Anticipation 01/06/2012: 1. 99
In February 2016 U. S. TSH (3rd generation) 7. 886 mIU / l - Reference Intervals: 0. 40 to 3. 70 - Anticipation 22/01/2015: 1. 564
In August 2016 U. S. TSH (3rd generation) 10. 500 mIU / l - Reference Intervals: 0. 40 to 3. 70 - Anticipation 09/02/2016: 7. 886

I lost my Mom on 03/07/2015 which could explain this increase to 7 886 following an emotional shock but according to the biologist, if that was the case this rate should have decreased in August 2016. .

I take Lugol 5-6 drops 12% in a glass of water since November 2015.

I must have an ultrasound Tuesday, 23/08/16 and see my doctor who worries the 08/25/16. . .

I'll keep you posted but I would like to know what you think. . .

 

[Adaryn]

En Janvier 2015 : TSH U.S. (3ème génération) 1.564 mUI/l - Intervalles de référence : 0.40 à 3.70 - Antériorité 01/06/2012 : 1.99
En Février 2016 : TSH U.S. (3ème génération) 7.886 mUI/l - Intervalles de référence : 0.40 à 3.70 - Antériorité 22/01/2015 : 1.564
En Août 2016 : TSH U.S. (3ème génération) 10.500 mUI/l - Intervalles de référence : 0.40 à 3.70 - Antériorité 09/02/2016 : 7.886
My blood tests showed about my thyroid:
In January 2015 U. S. TSH (3rd generation) 1. 564 mIU / l - Reference Intervals: 0. 40 to 3. 70 - Anticipation 01/06/2012: 1. 99
In February 2016 U. S. TSH (3rd generation) 7. 886 mIU / l - Reference Intervals: 0. 40 to 3. 70 - Anticipation 22/01/2015: 1. 564
In August 2016 U. S. TSH (3rd generation) 10. 500 mIU / l - Reference Intervals: 0. 40 to 3. 70 - Anticipation 09/02/2016: 7. 886

Hi Perlou,

have you had your T3 and T4 levels checked? If not, you should if possible, because from what I've read those markers are more significant indicators of possible thyroid dysfunction (hyper or hypo) than the TSH level alone.
Regardless of your blood analyses, the way you're feeling is also important: so how are you feeling now, physically (energy levels?) and mentally, compared to before starting the iodine protocol?

 

[worldbridger]

Thanks Chu, I've listened to parts of Maté, not Siegel. Yes, it's true, a lot of stress, on all levels.

Iv'e done 4-5 coffee enemas and 2 of the times my large intestine started to hurt real bad, and then severe back pain that day. Now I received my probiotics and will do some enemas with 2-300 billion, just to see the difference.

I also started the Iodine protocol again, not a problem to go back to where I finished, 100-150 mg a day. Before I said that I didn't have any reactions, it's true, but my feet and tongue are better, just noticed it..

Lainey: Ok, thanks.

 

[Gaby]

Je vous tiendrai au courant mais j'aimerais savoir ce que vous en pensez...

Like Adaryn says, how you feel is very important. TSH may increase as a physiological response to iodine therapy. It increases to stimulate the creation of iodine transporters into your cells. This is a physiological reaction and not pathological. It is also the reason why T3 and T4 need to be added to the lab work. If they are normal and you feel clinically fine, there is no reason to fear thyroid disease (hypothyroidism). Adding thyroid anti-bodies levels in the labwork is also a good idea.

I would just do the ultrasound test and see what it says. Even within the strict and short minded view of mainstream medicine where TSH is used to screen for hypothyroidism, your TSH levels are not that bad that they would require medication, provided the T3 and T4 are normal. Repeating the test in 3-6 months is a good idea though.

My TSH levels are between 10 and 15. I had my blood test last month and I started iodine in November 2015 or so. The rest of my blood analysis got better though. Actually, I'm worried that my cholesterol levels are too low! All my thyroid anti-bodies are negative.

 

[Gaby]

Iv'e done 4-5 coffee enemas and 2 of the times my large intestine started to hurt real bad, and then severe back pain that day. Now I received my probiotics and will do some enemas with 2-300 billion, just to see the difference.

I used to be very fond of coffee enemas a few years ago. I'm planning to re-start this protocol and I just bought several prescription probiotics from the pharmacy to add to the experiment.

My first coffee enemas were very painful. It triggered very bad colitis. I researched about it back then and apparently, it has to do with all the toxins released from your liver. It is a detox reaction. I stuck with the enemas and the pain eventually subsided. I started to feel better from that point onwards. I actually got kind of addicted to the coffee enemas, they made me feel so good!

Maybe you can decrease the concentration of coffee, or do one enema per week?

 

[Christine]

Résultat des recommandations :
J’ai arrêté de prendre l’iode pendant 9 jours, au bout de 4 jours la boule dans la langue a disparue.
Je prends maintenant 2 goutes 1 jour sur 2.
Je fais un peu de rétention d’eau au niveau des chevilles, peut-être que c’est pour cette raison que J’ai toujours mal aux jambes …je ne sais pas ! J’ai mis des gros bouquins sous le matelas aux pieds du lit pour surélever mes jambes, j’ai fait un peu de course à pieds…c’était pire, j’ai eu des contractions aux mollets pendant la nuit. J’ai aussi mal aux muscles des épaules avec des picotements comme-ci on m’enfonçait de grosse aiguilles dans la peau.
Après la séparation avec mon mari j’ai eu des éruptions de bouton rouges plus ou moins gros (Une vingtaines) sur tout le corps sauf sur le visage, avant cela, je n’avais jamais eu de boutons sur la peau. Pour quel raison que j’ai ses boutons ? Je n’arrive pas à trouver la cause, j’ai éliminé le gluten, le sucre, le lait, l’alcool, l’alimentation industrielle...je me lave qu’avec du savon naturel (corps et cheveux) je ne prends aucun médicament depuis très longtemps et j’ai toujours autant de boutons qui apparaissent sans aucune démangeaisons et au bout de quelques jours il y a une fine peau sèche dessus.
J’avais vu médecin, dermatologues, ils ont fini par dire que j’étais allergique aux puces de mon chat…Il est mort le 11 avril 2013 et les boutons sont toujours là. Ça fait 6 ans que je recherche la cause, est-ce que ça pourrait être psychologique ?
PS : En ce moment c’est la période des aoûtats, pour ceux qui connaissent ce problème, je mets du chlorure de magnésium sur les piqures pour calmer les démangeaisons. Je me doute qu’il y a d’autres moyens…mais le jour où ils sont apparues je n’avais que ça sous la main…j’ai testé et ça marche.
Result to recommendation
I stopped taking the iodine during 9 days, at the end of 4 days the ball in the tongue disappeared.
I take now 2 drops 1 every 2 days.
I make a little water retention at the level of ankles, maybe that this is why I always have pain in legs … I do not know! I put big books under the mattress in bed legs to elevate my legs, I did a little foot race... it was the worse, I had contractions in the calves at night. I also have pain in the muscles of shoulders with tingling sinking me big needles into the skin.
After the separation with my husband I had eruptions of button red more or less big (One about twenty) on all the safe body on the face, before that, I had never had buttons on the skin. For what reason that I have buttons?
I do not manage to find the cause, I eliminated the gluten, the sugar, the milk, the alcohol, the industrial food(supply)... I wash myself that with some natural soap (bodies and hair) I take no medicine for a very long time and I always have so many buttons which appear without any itches and at the end of a few days there is a fine dry skin above.
I had seen doctor, dermatologists, they eventually said that I was allergic to the fleas of my cat … He died on April 11th, 2013 and buttons are always there.
It has been 6 years since I look for the cause, could that be psychological?
PS: At the moment it is the period of aoûtats, for those who have this problem, I put some chloride of magnesium on the stings to calm the itches. I suspect that there are other ways but when they appeared I had it at hand... I tested and it works.

 

[Gaby]

je me lave qu’avec du savon naturel (corps et cheveux) je ne prends aucun médicament depuis très longtemps et j’ai toujours autant de boutons qui apparaissent sans aucune démangeaisons et au bout de quelques jours il y a une fine peau sèche dessus.

That is how psoriasis could be described, but if the dermatologists ruled that out, then perhaps it has to do with some sort of fungal infection or maybe an allergic component as the specialists say?

Have you ever taken some sort of anti-fungal, natural or prescribed? Have you considered doing an IgG test for food intolerance? Maybe there is something seemingly anti-inflammatory in your diet that is actually triggering inflammation.

Have you asked your dermatologist about psoriasis? Sometimes a biopsy is needed to rule that out.

Do you take minerals other than magnesium chloride? I think the muscle cramps shouldn't be happening if you supplement potassium, magnesium and other basic minerals such as zinc and selenium. Zinc really does help in all types of skin problems.

 

[Christine]

je me lave qu’avec du savon naturel (corps et cheveux) je ne prends aucun médicament depuis très longtemps et j’ai toujours autant de boutons qui apparaissent sans aucune démangeaisons et au bout de quelques jours il y a une fine peau sèche dessus.

That is how psoriasis could be described, but if the dermatologists ruled that out, then perhaps it has to do with some sort of fungal infection or maybe an allergic component as the specialists say?

Have you ever taken some sort of anti-fungal, natural or prescribed? Have you considered doing an IgG test for food intolerance? Maybe there is something seemingly anti-inflammatory in your diet that is actually triggering inflammation.

Have you asked your dermatologist about psoriasis? Sometimes a biopsy is needed to rule that out.

Do you take minerals other than magnesium chloride? I think the muscle cramps shouldn't be happening if you supplement potassium, magnesium and other basic minerals such as zinc and selenium. Zinc really does help in all types of skin problems.

Je ne n’ai pas fait de test igG et aujourd’hui je n’ai pas les moyens de le faire.
Ça ne ressemble pas au psoriasis, ça ressemble plus à une piqure de moustique sans les démangeaisons.
Pour le chlorure de magnésium cela fait plus d’un an que je l’ai parce que je n’ai jamais réussi à le boire, je n’aime pas du tout le gout, je l’ai ressorti du placard pour le faire passer par la peau et aussi le testé sur les aoûtats.
Je prends du magnésium depuis le début du protocole, du zinc picolinate 50mg, du sélénium mais pas de potassium, je compléterai mon protocole avec de potassium dés le mois prochain.
Ça fait aussi plus de 16 ans que je n’avais pas fait de course à pieds à cause de la fibromyalgie.

I not did not make test igG and today I do not have the means to make him.
That does not look like the psoriasis, that looks like more a mosquito bite without the itches.
For magnesium chloride it has been over a year since than I have him because I have never managed to drink him, I do not like at all the taste, I took out again him from the cupboard to make him pass by the skin and also the tested on chiggers.
It also has been more than 16 years since I had made of running because of the fibromyalgia.

 

[worldbridger]

I've done 4-5 coffee enemas and 2 of the times my large intestine started to hurt real bad, and then severe back pain that day. Now I received my probiotics and will do some enemas with 2-300 billion, just to see the difference.

I used to be very fond of coffee enemas a few years ago. I'm planning to re-start this protocol and I just bought several prescription probiotics from the pharmacy to add to the experiment.

My first coffee enemas were very painful. It triggered very bad colitis. I researched about it back then and apparently, it has to do with all the toxins released from your liver. It is a detox reaction. I stuck with the enemas and the pain eventually subsided. I started to feel better from that point onwards. I actually got kind of addicted to the coffee enemas, they made me feel so good!

Maybe you can decrease the concentration of coffee, or do one enema per week?

Hi Gaby. Ok, I considered that as a possibility. but since I want to be a little gentle with body, I'll alternate between probiotics and coffee, maybe I'll try less concentration as you said.

You mentioned "prescription probiotics", what is that in terms of billions of bacteria, and what kind of bacteria is it? As I said before I use Innate, Flora 50-14 Clinical Strength:
http://www.innateresponse.com/v/vspfiles/assets/images/40128.Flora50-14.FACTSBOX%20copy.jpg

Does the large intestine benefit from the same strains of bacteria as the rest of the stomach/intestinal system? I haven't found any solid info on what kind of bacteria the large intestine would benefit from, like in fecal transplantation/probiotic enema. I couldn't open Lauras link.

(I haven't learned yet to include other peoples quotes, hope this work)

 

[Nico]

From my story I have stopped Iodine for one weeks during vacation, I had back pain and shoulders tensions but it seemed to come from my programmed mind because I succeed sometimes to get really really happy, like melted with awareness around me.

I say thank you because I become really able to manage almost consciously my constipation problems (it comes and goes but never really last), and multi mineral is very a good choice.

Coffee enema is best, I have decreased from three tablespoon for 1 L to one and half tablespoon for the same amount, and I think is less harsh for my intestins while doing the same effect. And the sweet feeling that the body get from that is always pleasurable :).
It gave me the base to go up into the upper organs, and take more care of the stomach and trachea which seems to be important because between the gut and the brain, ready for connecting.

 

[Gaby]

You mentioned "prescription probiotics", what is that in terms of billions of bacteria, and what kind of bacteria is it? As I said before I use Innate, Flora 50-14 Clinical Strength:
http://www.innateresponse.com/v/vspfiles/assets/images/40128.Flora50-14.FACTSBOX%20copy.jpg

That is pretty good! I would just use that, it looks better than what I got.

I got two types of probiotics:

Megalevura - Containing L. rhamnosus GG (6 per 10 to the power of 9), lactobacillus helveticus (4*10 to the power of 9), bifidobacterium longum (4*10 to the power of 9), and saccharomyces boulardii 600mg per stick.

This one is famous among people because it can stop any colitis or diarrhea caused by Augmentine, a killer antibiotic. It also helps with digestive problems in general. The saccharomyces boulardii is most useful to fight any antibiotic induced diarrhea. The bifobacterium is good for the large intestine and the L. rhamnosus GG is very well researched.

L. rhamnosus GG promotes the growth of other good bacteria in the gut, it reduces dermatitis and food intolerances in babies, it has increased survival for mortal infections in the intensive care unit and it helps with traveler's diarrhea. There is probably more research, but this was from the last time I did a pubmed search about it. L. rhamnosus GG is a subtype of L. rhamnosus.

I've taken megalevura before during the antibiotic protocol and it worked like a charm.

The other contains L. rhamnosus GG 56 mg per envelop. It's brand name here in Spain is Bivos.

I'll like to read more about it before I venture to put several envelops/sticks into an enema though. Otherwise I would start with 2 sticks/envelops. The safety information says to not use more than 2 envelops per day, although I understand that the experiment was aiming for trillions of bacteria per enema. Will have to do my homework though.