Iodine and Potassium Iodide

[Gaby]

We two just agreed, that when we finish this antibiotic protocol, we will continue with Iodine protocol, both of us. It's our solution, to get rid of body's pollution.

Sounds like a good plan. Just be careful when using high doses of lugol, don't push it. The antibiotic should do the job anyway. Make sure you both do probiotics afterwards. I would do a probiotic enema.

After the antibiotic course is finished, perhaps you both can request a control test to make sure the bacteria is gone.

 

[mariz]

We two just agreed, that when we finish this antibiotic protocol, we will continue with Iodine protocol, both of us. It's our solution, to get rid of body's pollution.

Sounds like a good plan. Just be careful when using high doses of lugol, don't push it. The antibiotic should do the job anyway. Make sure you both do probiotics afterwards. I would do a probiotic enema.

After the antibiotic course is finished, perhaps you both can request a control test to make sure the bacteria is gone.

Thank you very much for your advice Gaby.
I got "doxycycline" 100 mg, 1 every 12 hours; and for her "Erythromycin" 250 mg, 2 capsules every 12 hours, 'cause she's allergic to Penicillin. Will do that control test afterwards.
When I started with Iodine protocol, I started with 2 drops and did it like it was written in the instructions on this forum. With some periods of few days without takin' lugol just to see what's gonna happen.
Physiatrist explained to me (about few years ago when I started to feel pain in my joints, lower back, my left shoulder was starting to hurt more oftenly, neck pain,) and diagnosed me Sacroiilitis (damaging my coccyx when I was kid about 7 or 8 years old, by falling of of a tree) that's when pelvic bone doesn't sit well on the right spot with your joints and sacrum spine. And what scared me the most was when the doctor said: "with constant inflammation continuing, it's going towards rhemutaoid arthritis." That's why I started taking Lugols in the first place.

Thanks to Laura, you, this forum and the whole crew I've managed to figure out some of the "steps" that made it a whole lot easier for me, but always in need for some information. :)

 

[Divide by Zero]

Thank you very much for your advice Gaby.
I got "doxycycline" 100 mg, 1 every 12 hours; and for her "Erythromycin" 250 mg, 2 capsules every 12 hours, 'cause she's allergic to Penicillin. Will do that control test afterwards.
When I started with Iodine protocol, I started with 2 drops and did it like it was written in the instructions on this forum. With some periods of few days without takin' lugol just to see what's gonna happen.
Physiatrist explained to me (about few years ago when I started to feel pain in my joints, lower back, my left shoulder was starting to hurt more oftenly, neck pain,) and diagnosed me Sacroiilitis (damaging my coccyx when I was kid about 7 or 8 years old, by falling of of a tree) that's when pelvic bone doesn't sit well on the right spot with your joints and sacrum spine. And what scared me the most was when the doctor said: "with constant inflammation continuing, it's going towards rhemutaoid arthritis." That's why I started taking Lugols in the first place.

Thanks to Laura, you, this forum and the whole crew I've managed to figure out some of the "steps" that made it a whole lot easier for me, but always in need for some information. :)

Hi MaZ,
I damaged mine too a few years ago. My bone naturally sticks out, so it was really bad to slip and fall down on the stairs!
It would have pain depending on how I sit or stand and the weather. It wasn't until I got hurt at work (but did not damage the tailbone again) that physical therapy fixed it. The electric stimulation pads applied to my lower back around the area above the bone and buttocks seemed to fix the problem with sitting and standing.

I think the muscles around the area got retrained by the electrical stimulation. The physical therapist told me that an injury causes the muscles to make up for a break, to help it heal and help function- but they don't always return to normal action!

Laying on a hard floor still irritates it, but that was before the original injury because it naturally sticks out for me.

 

[SeekinTruth]

Just wanted to update that the probiotics from iherb finally arrived, and my mother should be doing the enema soon (not exactly sure when yet, as it's up to her). I'll post the actual strains and how much I plan to put into the enema when I have a bit more time. And then when she does it, what was the outcome.

 

[worldbridger]

After searching and reading posts regarding nascent Iodine in this thread I'm not 100 % sure if it is good, somewhat ok, pointless or bad...

Anyone?

:)

 

[Gaby]

After searching and reading posts regarding nascent Iodine in this thread I'm not 100 % sure if it is good, somewhat ok, pointless or bad...

We discussed it on the early days. Nascent iodine doesn't have enough iodine to make it worthwhile. The dose is too low.

Here is the relevant document:

The Guide to Supplementing with Iodine
What you need to know to get started
http://jeffreydachmd.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/The-Guide-to-Supplementing-with-Iodine-Stephanie-Burst-ND.pdf

Not Recommended
i. Nascent (aka Magnascent, Detoxified, or Atomidine)
–
Based on Edgar Cayce’s “energized” iodine. The iodine is reduced to a 1% concentration in 100% ethyl alcohol and electromagnetically transmuted (while being suspended in a wet bath containing a mild acid solution) into the Atomic state. 1 drop = 150 microgram (mcg) or .150 mg of Iodine. This form will not saturate body tissues and has not been proven to detox halides such as bromide, fluoride, chloride, and mercury, as other forms have. This form of iodine is not recommended on this protocol as the goal is tissue saturation and halide detoxification / protection

Do read the PDF above, it summarizes several important concepts.

 

[worldbridger]

After searching and reading posts regarding nascent Iodine in this thread I'm not 100 % sure if it is good, somewhat ok, pointless or bad...

We discussed it on the early days. Nascent iodine doesn't have enough iodine to make it worthwhile. The dose is too low.

Here is the relevant document:

The Guide to Supplementing with Iodine
What you need to know to get started
http://jeffreydachmd.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/The-Guide-to-Supplementing-with-Iodine-Stephanie-Burst-ND.pdf

Not Recommended
i. Nascent (aka Magnascent, Detoxified, or Atomidine)
–
Based on Edgar Cayce’s “energized” iodine. The iodine is reduced to a 1% concentration in 100% ethyl alcohol and electromagnetically transmuted (while being suspended in a wet bath containing a mild acid solution) into the Atomic state. 1 drop = 150 microgram (mcg) or .150 mg of Iodine. This form will not saturate body tissues and has not been proven to detox halides such as bromide, fluoride, chloride, and mercury, as other forms have. This form of iodine is not recommended on this protocol as the goal is tissue saturation and halide detoxification / protection

Do read the PDF above, it summarizes several important concepts.

Ok, thanks Gaby. The reason I ask is that some people say that they experienced better results with nascent compared to Lugol.

 

[worldbridger]

Gaby, according to the PDF it says you don't need to separate vitamin C and Iodine. They mention nothing about salt and Iodine.
I know that we/I do allow 1-2 hours between, where did this knowledge/decision come from?

Also, it seems I'm in vicious circle, the more enemas I do the more I have to do it. I started with 2 per week and now I need to do it every day. I get very tensed, headache, tired, but feel relieved after, but it is getting worse. Questions is, shall I do more, 2 per day, or try to go down? I don't know. More probiotic than coffee? My system feels chaotic right now.

I will get the test results and meet my doctor oct 14, hopefully I will get some answers. Maybe I should go back to the iodine protocol, but at the time I thought that the 5 months 100-150 mg might have been to much and was responsible for my problems with food stuck in my throat/swallow, or enlarged thyroid, I think I read somewhere that it might happen.

 

[Gaby]

Ok, thanks Gaby. The reason I ask is that some people say that they experienced better results with nascent compared to Lugol.

Or maybe they didn't had detox reactions because the dose was too low?

Gaby, according to the PDF it says you don't need to separate vitamin C and Iodine. They mention nothing about salt and Iodine.
I know that we/I do allow 1-2 hours between, where did this knowledge/decision come from?

Vitamin C cleans iodine stains and it was discussed how it can neutralize iodine's effects. It is best to allow for 1 hour in between.

I wouldn't use iodine in high doses, specially if it correlates with increased problems. I would just use the minimal dose that will allow you to feel better. You can use potassium iodide in higher doses, that is usually tolerated better. For instance, I take potassium iodide tablets 100mg or so every two days.

As for the coffee enemas, although they could be done every day, you can do them 3 times per week. I think that ideally a balance should be reached where you don't get addicted to the enemas. But it is true that some people, i.e. cancer patients, do them every day.

For detox measures, you could also do a sauna instead. It can be even 15 minutes per day or just enough time to break a sweat.

There might be several factors involved in your health condition, and not necessarily the enemas or the iodine. See what the doctor says and try to wean off from the most toxic drugs which end up creating a vicious cycle of pain. Hopefully the saunas and the enemas will help with pain management.

 

[Laura]

Worldbridger, just make sure you are eating meats, some lightly cooked veggies every day with some fiber in them, do the probiotic enema (which needs time to "take" and needs fiber to feed on), and then let some natural things happen. You don't have to stress your body so much with trying to beat it into line here! If you go a couple of days without a bowel movement it's not a big deal. Do take plenty fish oil (like 4 gels a day).

 

[SeekinTruth]

My mother did another coffee enema a couple of days ago. Since the probiotics arrived from iherb, I'll list the details and how much to put into the enema.

Probiotic 30 billion CFU's (Colony Forming Units) per capsule includes:
Lactobacillus acidophilus (La-14) 12 billion CFU's
Bifidobacterium lactis (Bl-04) 12 billion CFU's
Bifidobacterium longum (Bl-05) 1 billion CFU's
Lactobacillus rhamnosus (Lr-32) 1 billion CFU's
Bifidobacterium breve (Bb-03) 1 billion CFU's
Lactobacillus casei (Lc-11) 1 billion CFU's
Lactobacillus salivarius (Ls-33) 1 billion CFU's
Lactobacillus plantarum (LP-115) 1 billion CFU's

Saccharomyces boulardii (subspecies Saccharomyces cerevisiae) 10 billion CFU's per two capsules (5 billion per capsule).

She still has alternating loose stools and constipation (can last 6 or 7 days - she had some antibiotics in the hospital when she had a stroke back in May), and anxiety/panic attacks/overwhelm that come out of nowhere and mood swings a few times a day. She's been taking the probiotics orally until she's ready for the enema (the multi-strain says 1 capsule once or twice daily with food/right before meal, and Saccharomyces boulardii says 1-2 capsules 2 to 3 times a day between meals). I'm thinking of putting 6 to 8 capsules of the multi-strain bacteria and 2 or so capsules of the Saccharomyces boulardii in 6 tablespoons of water - prepared and left overnight and she'll do the enema in the morning. Whenever she wants to do it, she'll tell me the night before, and I'll prepare it (probably in the next few days). Does that sound like a good plan?

 

[Gaby]

Does that sound like a good plan?

How about starting a bit lower and building up? It would be good to test her bowel tolerance to these probiotics.

I would start with 2-4 of the multi-strain and one of saccharomyces boulardii and if that goes alright or without unnoticeable effects, you can repeat the enema with your original plan.

I'm just concerned that it might be too much for starters. You can always build up the dose if there were no effects. But if she has a weird reaction, it could be quite uncomfortable for her.

 

[worldbridger]

Gaby: Ok, will do. Now when it is getting colder up here I'm doing a sauna 3-4 times a week. I'm almost done weaning off all of the new drugs I tried, only Citodon (I use normal painkillers as much as possible) and Stesolid left.

Laura: I eat meats every day, mostly pork (make my own broth and lard from a local butcher), sometimes chicken and fish, and vegetables, sweet potato, zucchini, onions, carrots, garlic etc. Taking 4-6 grams of omega 3 together with my normal dose of vitamin B complex (methyl), Mg, Q10, ALA, NAC, trace mineral complex (picolate), 5-10 grams of C, digestive enzymes and so forth. I think I have that covered...pretty good anyway.

But you're right, I am trying really hard to get better. It is not easy at all to "let some natural things happen", and I'm tired of waiting, been almost 3 years of no income, pain and misery. Also tired of being in the dark guessing/trying new things, without any improvements. So, that's why I maybe overdo things...

Thanks to both of you.

 

[SeekinTruth]

Does that sound like a good plan?

How about starting a bit lower and building up? It would be good to test her bowel tolerance to these probiotics.

I would start with 2-4 of the multi-strain and one of saccharomyces boulardii and if that goes alright or without unnoticeable effects, you can repeat the enema with your original plan.

I'm just concerned that it might be too much for starters. You can always build up the dose if there were no effects. But if she has a weird reaction, it could be quite uncomfortable for her.

OK, that's sounds like a better idea. That's how I'll proceed. Thanks.

 

[Hope]

Wanted to give an update on my efforts to heal. I have been taking Lugols since the start of this thread but in fairly low does and infrequently due not eating optimally, travel and drug use (cannabis and alcohol).But in the last 2-3 months Ive started eating low carb paleo and taking Ioderal in higher doses, namely 25 mg every other day and no longer smoke weed.I still have a few drinks here and there of hard liquor but wait at least two days after my last Iodine intake and take pleaty of nac and vit C. Is there a problem with taking Iugols and drinking alcohol? I am trying to do my best to quit as alcoholism runs in the family(Usually go a week or two without drinking and relapse for a day or two but only a few drinks).

I have noticed a increase in overall health and well being. But in the last two weeks my energy has fallen and I think I have Iron overload, had it before. Will donate soon. Also have started doing the probiotic enemas so will see how that goes.
(Using this brand)
http://m.iherb.com/Now-Foods-Probiotic-10-25-Billion-100-Veggie-Caps/64505

Even with all these efforts I still have a long ways to go and I think I some serious infections and toxicity thats need to be taken care of! Hopefully things will improve with continued efforts.

P.S My weight as been at a steady 150 pounds at 5'10 :)