Iodine and Potassium Iodide

OK, thanks for your replies Ennio and Laura. I'll hold off until the shipment arrives from iherb (I'm still waiting for a shipment ordered before this last one that went out in the beginning of July but hasn't arrived yet - this last one with probiotics was sent out in middle of August but the old USPS shipping method the one before and all others from iherb previously I used to use was no longer available, so I chose DHL Global Mail method).

I was under the impression that BAM had strains that are normal for humans picked up in the environment (soil, water, etc.) over our evolutionary history. The 8 strains in one probiotic (5 lactobacillus and 3 bificobacterium) plus another one with saccharomyces buldarii are well-studied to have many benefits, so I'm hoping the enema will be much quicker and more effective than the oral route to stabilize my mom's gut problems and related issues including intermittent anxiety that come out of nowhere, etc. She's had alternating loose stools and constipation (which she's had in the past too) that got worse after her hospital stay in May because of her stroke.
 
SeekinTruth said:
OK, thanks for your replies Ennio and Laura. I'll hold off until the shipment arrives from iherb (I'm still waiting for a shipment ordered before this last one that went out in the beginning of July but hasn't arrived yet - this last one with probiotics was sent out in middle of August but the old USPS shipping method the one before and all others from iherb previously I used to use was no longer available, so I chose DHL Global Mail method).

Have you checked in pharmacies? Probiotics are covered by pharmaceutical companies as well and usually several pure strains are available at pharmacies.
 
Gaby said:
SeekinTruth said:
OK, thanks for your replies Ennio and Laura. I'll hold off until the shipment arrives from iherb (I'm still waiting for a shipment ordered before this last one that went out in the beginning of July but hasn't arrived yet - this last one with probiotics was sent out in middle of August but the old USPS shipping method the one before and all others from iherb previously I used to use was no longer available, so I chose DHL Global Mail method).

Have you checked in pharmacies? Probiotics are covered by pharmaceutical companies as well and usually several pure strains are available at pharmacies.

Yeah, we have one that's just lactobacillus acidophilus from the pharmacy and are going to check for others (maybe via prescription after a stool sample analysis) as we haven't found any others at the pharmacies yet.
 
Got an appointment for my x-ray. I talked to the hospital about the contrast liquids they use. The brand names are:

E-Z HD:

Active Constituent:
Barium sulfate 98.45 % w/w

Excipients include:
Sorbitol (E420)
Acacia gum (E414)
Sodium citrate (E331)
Simeticone
Citric acid anhydrous (E330)
Polysorbate 80 (E433)
Carrageenan (E407)
Ethyl Maltol (E637)
Saccharin sodium (E954)
Strawberry Flavour
Cherry flavour

and (E-Z HD and Mixobar Colon is taken together as I understood it)

Mixobar Colon:

Active Constituent:
Barium sulfate

Excipients include:
Metylparahydroxybensoat (E218)
Sorbitol, (E420) 22 mg/ml
Sodium, approx. 0,8 mg/ml
Potassium, approx. 0,2 mg/ml

or the alternative if you are allergic:

Omnipaque:

Active Constituent:
Iohexol "Iohexol is an effective non-ionic, water-soluble contrast agent which is used in myelography, arthrography, nephroangiography, arteriography, and other radiographic procedures. Its low systemic toxicity is the combined result of low chemotoxicity and low osmolality." PubChem

Excipients include:
Trometamol (Trometamol is an organic amine proton acceptor. It is used in the synthesis of surface-active agents and pharmaceuticals; as an emulsifying agent for cosmetic creams and lotions, mineral oil and paraffin wax emulsions, as a biological buffer, and used as an alkalizer. (From Merck, 11th ed; Martindale, The Extra Pharmacopoeia, 30th ed, p1424)
from MeSH
Tromethamine is a member of the pyrrolo-pyrrole group of non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAID) with analgesic, anti-inflammatory, and anti-pyretic properties. Tromethamine inhibits both isoforms of cyclooxygenases (COX1 and COX2), thereby blocking the conversion of arachidonic acid to pro-inflammatory pro-prostaglandins. When inhibiting COX2, tromethamine may be effective in relieving pain and inflammation; when inhibiting COX1, this agent may produce unacceptable gastrointestinal side effects.) PubChem
Sodium
Calcium
Hydrochloric Acid


So, anyone know which one to opt for, that is least toxic? Anyone with experience from either of them?
 
worldbridger said:
So, anyone know which one to opt for, that is least toxic? Anyone with experience from either of them?

If you don't have any known allergy or sensitivity, I would just let the technicians and doc choose the contrast media that they are used to on a daily basis. If you are already going through the trouble of that procedure, may as well use the contrast media that illustrates everything the best.

Take your NAC and vitamin C before and after, and do a sauna afterwards.
 
Gaby said:
worldbridger said:
So, anyone know which one to opt for, that is least toxic? Anyone with experience from either of them?

If you don't have any known allergy or sensitivity, I would just let the technicians and doc choose the contrast media that they are used to on a daily basis. If you are already going through the trouble of that procedure, may as well use the contrast media that illustrates everything the best.

Take your NAC and vitamin C before and after, and do a sauna afterwards.

Ok, thanks Gaby. I'm still waiting for the results from the blood tests. It must be something wrong with my metabolism, because I eat quit a lot and now only weigh 63 kg (another 10 kg down from when you and I spoke for the first time), and I don't do much physical work at all, and I'm tired of eating all the time. It's like the iodine has accelerated my metabolism.

I'm taking a break from the Iodine Protocol until I get the results....
 
worldbridger said:
Ok, thanks Gaby. I'm still waiting for the results from the blood tests. It must be something wrong with my metabolism, because I eat quit a lot and now only weigh 63 kg (another 10 kg down from when you and I spoke for the first time), and I don't do much physical work at all, and I'm tired of eating all the time. It's like the iodine has accelerated my metabolism.

I'm taking a break from the Iodine Protocol until I get the results....

Were you always like this weight despite the diet? I am around 65 kilos, but my weight has always been this way, even before the iodine, even before paleo. I actually eat less now than I used to and have more energy. Sometimes when I over eat, I feel worse.

You might be over eating, and if you haven't- stick to saturated fats/meat (paleo/keto diet) and see the amazing benefits.


Ennio, I did the probiotic enema 2 weeks ago and experienced no difference to a coffee enema, but I do take the same probiotics orally at least once a week. Please let us know if you see benefits, if in that case, I might have had not worked it well into my system (?).
 
Divide By Zero said:
Were you always like this weight despite the diet? I am around 65 kilos, but my weight has always been this way, even before the iodine, even before paleo. I actually eat less now than I used to and have more energy. Sometimes when I over eat, I feel worse.

You might be over eating, and if you haven't- stick to saturated fats/meat (paleo/keto diet) and see the amazing benefits.

No. I've been doing paleo since 2010 approx. and at that time I was both working as a translator and building my house, and I ate a little bit more then now. If I didn't work on the house, I went to the gym and then I weighed 76-78 kg. During a period when I didn't work on the house or went to the gym I noticed that I didn't need to eat as much or as often as before, and I kept my weight.

I was pretty fit and didn't have that much subcutaneous fat, but now I look like bodybuilders during competition, but without the muscles of course. I can see my veins very clearly on the stomach, my thighs and calves, not to mention the arms. I look like a cardiovascular system map...

I use to loose weight during my "episodes", but not this much.

So either something is draining me of energy or I don't absorb the food well, but I don't really know.

Do you mean that if you over eat you can loose wight?
 
worldbridger said:
It must be something wrong with my metabolism, because I eat quit a lot and now only weigh 63 kg (another 10 kg down from when you and I spoke for the first time), and I don't do much physical work at all, and I'm tired of eating all the time. It's like the iodine has accelerated my metabolism.

The weight loss could be related to an hernia that has gotten worse lately. Some of the meds can slow down gut motility, so maybe that has to do with all of this? The diagnostic test should help clarify how it is. It might be a congenital predisposition on the diaphragm?

Try to clean your diet as best as you can and don't let anything inflammatory slip even if you don't think it is bad for you.

How are the enemas going?
 
Gaby said:
worldbridger said:
It must be something wrong with my metabolism, because I eat quit a lot and now only weigh 63 kg (another 10 kg down from when you and I spoke for the first time), and I don't do much physical work at all, and I'm tired of eating all the time. It's like the iodine has accelerated my metabolism.

The weight loss could be related to an hernia that has gotten worse lately. Some of the meds can slow down gut motility, so maybe that has to do with all of this? The diagnostic test should help clarify how it is. It might be a congenital predisposition on the diaphragm?

Try to clean your diet as best as you can and don't let anything inflammatory slip even if you don't think it is bad for you.

How are the enemas going?

Yeah, maybe that's the case. Enemas are going great, I'm looking forward to them. Some sort of connection between feeling "poisoned"/inflamed and back/hip/neck pain and coffee enema. I do them 2-3 times a week, and sometimes 2 times one of those days, depending how it feels. I just finished doing a 4 week 200 billion/day (oral) probiotic protocol, it helped the stomach some.

I will test probiotic enemas with the new ones (50 billion) I ordered. What is disturbing is that there's very little information what kind of bacteria that is beneficial for the large intestine, or I haven't found any anyway. The only thing I found is that the LI is mostly populated by bifido strains and the SI is mostly populated by acidophilus strains.

Seems like an unexplored area and I discovered that it is way more complex than just "good and bad bacteria".
 
worldbridger said:
What is disturbing is that there's very little information what kind of bacteria that is beneficial for the large intestine, or I haven't found any anyway. The only thing I found is that the LI is mostly populated by bifido strains and the SI is mostly populated by acidophilus strains.

Seems like an unexplored area and I discovered that it is way more complex than just "good and bad bacteria".

Indeed it is. Here is an update by Emily Deans on this topic:

The cutting edge of gut health and disease
https://www.sott.net/article/328633-The-cutting-edge-of-gut-health-and-disease

Probiotics and other microbiome manipulations have been touted as cures to everything from obesity to colitis to allergies and autism. Certainly the potential for these agents and methods are exciting, but what where is the line, now, between dangerous hype and the state of the art research being done?

The perfect way to answer that question was a symposium this past week at Harvard Medical School on gut health, microbiota, and probiotics, bringing together world experts in the field.[...]

His lab has worked out fascinating interactions between how the microbes in the gut metabolize bile acids and downstream changes in how the liver processes our food, which could explain a piece of how our gut could be a key battleground in the fight against obesity and diabetes.

In both human and rodent studies, increasing obesity, insulin resistance, and fasting glucose levels correlate linearly with decreasing distance between gut bacteria and the cells lining the intestine. This invasion of bacteria on the front lines of the gut is called "bacterial encroachment," reminding us that our relationship with our microbiota is best characterized as "frenemies." Andrew Gewirtz leads a team at Penn that published the sobering paper in Nature last year, showing how modest amounts of emulsifying agents nearly universally found in processed food damaged the microbiome and intestinal cells, causing colitis in mice. He made the sensible recommendation to avoid processed food in favor of eating fresh, whole foods.

He's also been able to reverse some damaging effects of more processed, purified diets in mice by adding the fermentable fiber inulin to their chow. The inulin feeds the microbiota and makes them more diverse and robust. However, along the lines of the "frenemies" designation, immune compromised mice got sick when fed inulin, meaning we have to be careful about making recommendations for fiber blooming of our gut microbes. It may make sense to use multiple step treatments, eliminating pathogens with temporary low fermentable fiber diets and possibly antibiotics, then adding in more friendly probiotics, feeding them with fiber. These complex protocols have yet to be studied in a systematic way in humans and remain experimental.

On the second day of the symposium, several scientists, including one of my favorites, psychiatrist Ted Dinan from University of College Cork, spoke about the evolving work on interactions between the gut and the brain. He's studied small but significant differences in cognition and stress tolerance in mice born via c-section vs. vaginally, and, crucially, found some similar differences in young adult humans. He showed data from a study taking fecal transplants from depressed individuals into rats, leading to dramatic changes in behavior in these rats when they became more anxious and anhedonic. They also had elevated levels of inflammation compared to rats who got fecal transplants from non-depressed, healthy humans.

All the speakers linking gut and brain health mentioned how microbiota affect the metabolism of serotonin, a key behavioral neurotransmitter, and Elaine Hsiao, PhD of UCLA showed some of her work illuminating this complex process down to the molecular level. In addition, many microbes make neurotransmitters in the gut, which can send signals to the brain via the vagus nerve. In previous studies, certain strains of probiotics have been shown to decrease anxiety in rats, and this effect was lost by cutting the vagus nerve. Dinan has also shown improved cognition in humans using the probiotic b. longum.

He made a key point that these measured microbial effects in humans are modest but significant. If a new class of treatments for depression or anxiety is made from probiotics, they will likely be most useful for mild depression or anxiety. Most folks who experience depressive disorders have more mild cases, and many people for various reasons don't have access to the psychotherapy that is first line for milder depression. "Psychobiotics" could be an inexpensive and low risk way to bridge the treatment gap. [...]

We discussed this topic on the latest H&W show:

https://www.sott.net/article/329074-The-Health-Wellness-Show-Some-of-my-best-friends-are-germs
 
Chu said:
Here's a paper which might give some clues about iodine in regards to mycoplasma, even though it talks about using Povidone:

The killing of Ureaplasma urealyticum and Mycoplasma hominis by povidone-iodine

Povidone-iodine killed Ureaplasma urealyticum and Mycoplasma hominis organisms. In addition to the eight known U. urealyticum serotypes, eight untyped ureaplasma strains and one M. hominis strain all of which had been freshly isolated, were tested. The concentration of povidone-iodine needed to kill the organisms in serum-broth varied slightly according to the strain or serotype, but 0.6% killed all organisms irrespective of strain or serotype or whether of U. urealyticum or M. hominis species. Most organisms were killed immediately after mixing and, with one exception, all of them were killed within five minutes. On subculture the treated organisms failed to multiply which confirmed the mycoplasmacidal effect of the compound. One of 5 urine samples inhibited the effect of povidone-iodine, a 2% concentration being required to kill the mycoplasmas. This is relevant to some circumstances in which elimination of these organisms from the genito-urinary tract could be worthwhile.

I've just found out from my girlfriend she has that problem, and that makes me with same diagnosis. Her doctor gave her antibiotic treatment which includes me. So I wondered where should we start? I've taken Iodine protocol ( with salted water, magnesium glycinate, vitamin C, selenium, ACA, with only B-complex-cause those B3 and B2 vitamins are impossible to purchase here in Croatia but found it on some webshop) Lugol's solution from January till June, that's almost 6 months and I stopped for a break just to see what's gonna happen. I've been taking for those last 3 months 20 drops of Lugol's that had a 5% iodine and 10% potassium iodide. Also at the same time she didn't took iodine so probably that "makes the case" clearer. I really want to nuke those bastards inside out. Which iodine percentage in Lugol's do you recommend (7% maybe 15%)? Can it be done with Lugol's solution using it oral, instead of using Povidone vagitore for her?
 
MaZ said:
Chu said:
Here's a paper which might give some clues about iodine in regards to mycoplasma, even though it talks about using Povidone:

The killing of Ureaplasma urealyticum and Mycoplasma hominis by povidone-iodine

Povidone-iodine killed Ureaplasma urealyticum and Mycoplasma hominis organisms. In addition to the eight known U. urealyticum serotypes, eight untyped ureaplasma strains and one M. hominis strain all of which had been freshly isolated, were tested. The concentration of povidone-iodine needed to kill the organisms in serum-broth varied slightly according to the strain or serotype, but 0.6% killed all organisms irrespective of strain or serotype or whether of U. urealyticum or M. hominis species. Most organisms were killed immediately after mixing and, with one exception, all of them were killed within five minutes. On subculture the treated organisms failed to multiply which confirmed the mycoplasmacidal effect of the compound. One of 5 urine samples inhibited the effect of povidone-iodine, a 2% concentration being required to kill the mycoplasmas. This is relevant to some circumstances in which elimination of these organisms from the genito-urinary tract could be worthwhile.

I've just found out from my girlfriend she has that problem, and that makes me with same diagnosis. Her doctor gave her antibiotic treatment which includes me. So I wondered where should we start? I've taken Iodine protocol ( with salted water, magnesium glycinate, vitamin C, selenium, ACA , with only B-complex-cause those B3 and B2 vitamins are impossible to purchase here in Croatia but found it on some webshop) Lugol's solution from January till June, that's almost 6 months and I stopped for a break just to see what's gonna happen. I've been taking for those last 3 months 20 drops of Lugol's that had a 5% iodine and 10% potassium iodide. Also at the same time she didn't took iodine so probably that "makes the case" clearer. I really want to nuke those bastards inside out. Which iodine percentage in Lugol's do you recommend (7% maybe 15%)? Can it be done with Lugol's solution using it oral, instead of using Povidone vagitore for her?
her doctor diagnosed Ureaplasma urealyticum.
ACA - actually it's called NAC sorry!
 
MaZ said:
Chu said:
Here's a paper which might give some clues about iodine in regards to mycoplasma, even though it talks about using Povidone:

The killing of Ureaplasma urealyticum and Mycoplasma hominis by povidone-iodine

Povidone-iodine killed Ureaplasma urealyticum and Mycoplasma hominis organisms. In addition to the eight known U. urealyticum serotypes, eight untyped ureaplasma strains and one M. hominis strain all of which had been freshly isolated, were tested. The concentration of povidone-iodine needed to kill the organisms in serum-broth varied slightly according to the strain or serotype, but 0.6% killed all organisms irrespective of strain or serotype or whether of U. urealyticum or M. hominis species. Most organisms were killed immediately after mixing and, with one exception, all of them were killed within five minutes. On subculture the treated organisms failed to multiply which confirmed the mycoplasmacidal effect of the compound. One of 5 urine samples inhibited the effect of povidone-iodine, a 2% concentration being required to kill the mycoplasmas. This is relevant to some circumstances in which elimination of these organisms from the genito-urinary tract could be worthwhile.

I've just found out from my girlfriend she has that problem, and that makes me with same diagnosis. Her doctor gave her antibiotic treatment which includes me. So I wondered where should we start? I've taken Iodine protocol ( with salted water, magnesium glycinate, vitamin C, selenium, ACA, with only B-complex-cause those B3 and B2 vitamins are impossible to purchase here in Croatia but found it on some webshop) Lugol's solution from January till June, that's almost 6 months and I stopped for a break just to see what's gonna happen. I've been taking for those last 3 months 20 drops of Lugol's that had a 5% iodine and 10% potassium iodide. Also at the same time she didn't took iodine so probably that "makes the case" clearer. I really want to nuke those bastards inside out. Which iodine percentage in Lugol's do you recommend (7% maybe 15%)? Can it be done with Lugol's solution using it oral, instead of using Povidone vagitore for her?

I think you can order those vitamins from iherb.
 
Konstantin said:
MaZ said:
Chu said:
Here's a paper which might give some clues about iodine in regards to mycoplasma, even though it talks about using Povidone:

The killing of Ureaplasma urealyticum and Mycoplasma hominis by povidone-iodine

Povidone-iodine killed Ureaplasma urealyticum and Mycoplasma hominis organisms. In addition to the eight known U. urealyticum serotypes, eight untyped ureaplasma strains and one M. hominis strain all of which had been freshly isolated, were tested. The concentration of povidone-iodine needed to kill the organisms in serum-broth varied slightly according to the strain or serotype, but 0.6% killed all organisms irrespective of strain or serotype or whether of U. urealyticum or M. hominis species. Most organisms were killed immediately after mixing and, with one exception, all of them were killed within five minutes. On subculture the treated organisms failed to multiply which confirmed the mycoplasmacidal effect of the compound. One of 5 urine samples inhibited the effect of povidone-iodine, a 2% concentration being required to kill the mycoplasmas. This is relevant to some circumstances in which elimination of these organisms from the genito-urinary tract could be worthwhile.

I've just found out from my girlfriend she has that problem, and that makes me with same diagnosis. Her doctor gave her antibiotic treatment which includes me. So I wondered where should we start? I've taken Iodine protocol ( with salted water, magnesium glycinate, vitamin C, selenium, ACA, with only B-complex-cause those B3 and B2 vitamins are impossible to purchase here in Croatia but found it on some webshop) Lugol's solution from January till June, that's almost 6 months and I stopped for a break just to see what's gonna happen. I've been taking for those last 3 months 20 drops of Lugol's that had a 5% iodine and 10% potassium iodide. Also at the same time she didn't took iodine so probably that "makes the case" clearer. I really want to nuke those bastards inside out. Which iodine percentage in Lugol's do you recommend (7% maybe 15%)? Can it be done with Lugol's solution using it oral, instead of using Povidone vagitore for her?

I think you can order those vitamins from iherb.

Thank you Konstantin for your kindness. I've found iherb website, now I just need to summarize previous experience, and to refund my financial status. Then, it can be purchased. :) I've learned from previous experience that I must take step by step, just to be sure that I don't make it even worse. Probably will do the research on this forum and take this antibiotic her doctor gave me. We two just agreed, that when we finish this antibiotic protocol, we will continue with Iodine protocol, both of us. It's our solution, to get rid of body's pollution. :cool2:
 
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