Iodine and Potassium Iodide

[Gaby]

I'm adding milk thistle tea for liver support. And may skip a couple of days and not try any higher doses until I have all the cofactors on hand.

I remember that one day, I just took one heck of a cocktail of supplements and felt distinctively better after that. I'm sure there was milk thistle, ALA, CoQ10 and NAC in addition to the recommended co-factors. Actually, my B complex has 1/4th of the suggested dose for this iodine protocol. Nevertheless, I felt much better. I now got riboflavin and niacinamide as separate supplements though.

 

[Laura]

Yeah. I should have mentioned that I take NAC as a matter of course with my cofactors...

 

[Z...]

Thank you Kalibex and Gaby, the rabbit hole goes very deep it seems.

The reason I am asking is because two of my relatives suffer from hypothyroidism and I was going to suggest this protocol, as far as I know they dont have Hashimoto. But what Gaby says about Iodine treating autoimmune conditions makes sense. It also looks like Selenium covers this.


Also very important, one of these relatives is on lithium ( in fact i think that lithium might have caused her hypothyroidism) and I am not sure if I should tamper with this. If anyone has more information I would appreciate.

So far I found this paper _http://www.uptodate.com/contents/lithium-and-the-thyroid ( althoug they are talking about SSKI or Potassium idodide not iodine form Lugol"s ) :

"Signs and symptoms of hypothyroidism were noted in a patient receiving lithium carbonate for 2 years as prophylaxis against recurrence of mania and depression. When lithium therapy was stopped, the hypothyroidism resolved; but it recurred with the administration of potassium iodide. When potassium iodide therapy was discontinued, the patient became euthyroid. In a second patient chemical evidence of hypothyroidism (fall in circulating thyroid hormone levels, elevation of serum thyrotropin) was noted after he had received 3 weeks of lithium therapy. With the addition of potassium iodide, laboratory evidence of hypothyroidism became more pronounced, and clinical signs of hypothyroidism developed. All abnormalities resolved promptly following the withdrawal of lithium and iodine. These observations suggest that lithium and iodine can act synergistically to produce hypothyroidism and that the combined use of these agents should be avoided."

I also found this from _http://answers.webmd.com/answers/1183554/does-iodine-interact-with-any-other:

Lithium interacts with Iodine
Large amounts of iodine can decrease thyroid function. Lithium can increase iodine's effects on the thyroid. Taking iodine along with lithium might decrease the thyroid function too much. Do not take large amounts of iodine if you are taking lithium.

 

[Gaby]

[...]Lithium interacts with Iodine
Large amounts of iodine can decrease thyroid function. Lithium can increase iodine's effects on the thyroid. Taking iodine along with lithium might decrease the thyroid function too much. Do not take large amounts of iodine if you are taking lithium.

My first question would be, what did they understood as "signs and symptoms" of hypothyroidism? If the TSH got elevated, we know that is not necessarily an indication of hypothyroidism when first starting iodine. Then, if the person was depressed, it sounds like s/he was showing "symptoms" of hypothyroidism even before starting the iodine.

 

[luke wilson]

Simple question: the 5 drops of Lugols 12% solution, how are they to be taken? Straight onto your mouth or into water then drink the water? Also, is it all 5 drops at once, like lets say in the morning for example?

LUGOL’S Dosing using 12% (if using 5%, double)
Normal weight person, no sickness: 5 drops per day.

Apologies for the simple questions.

 

[whitecoast]

Simple question: the 5 drops of Lugols 12% solution, how are they to be taken? Straight onto your mouth or into water then drink the water? Also, is it all 5 drops at once, like lets say in the morning for example?

LUGOL’S Dosing using 12% (if using 5%, double)
Normal weight person, no sickness: 5 drops per day.

Apologies for the simple questions.

I understand iodine (and other halogen family elements) are caustic, which is why chlorine and bromine are used to disinfect pools. I'd try with water first. Some tinctures are revolting without water to dilute it anyway.

 

[Lilou]

Simple question: the 5 drops of Lugols 12% solution, how are they to be taken? Straight onto your mouth or into water then drink the water? Also, is it all 5 drops at once, like lets say in the morning for example?

LUGOL’S Dosing using 12% (if using 5%, double)
Normal weight person, no sickness: 5 drops per day.

Apologies for the simple questions.

Most definitely taken in water. I would split the dose. Maybe 3 drops in water in the morning and two in early afternoon. And don't forget the salt water and the cofactors, which can be taken with the Lugol's. Only the Vit C needs to be a couple of hours after the Iodine.

 

[AlainD]

This iodine thread is very interesting and it could be what I am looking for, however here in Taiwan it is very difficult to find safe products, is there as list of of what iodine brands are say to ingest?

 

[luke wilson]

Simple question: the 5 drops of Lugols 12% solution, how are they to be taken? Straight onto your mouth or into water then drink the water? Also, is it all 5 drops at once, like lets say in the morning for example?

LUGOL’S Dosing using 12% (if using 5%, double)
Normal weight person, no sickness: 5 drops per day.

Apologies for the simple questions.

Most definitely taken in water. I would split the dose. Maybe 3 drops in water in the morning and two in early afternoon. And don't forget the salt water and the cofactors, which can be taken with the Lugol's. Only the Vit C needs to be a couple of hours after the Iodine.

What about the 3 drops of iodine in the salt water? That works, yes? I would most probably take the remaining 2 drops in the evening, after work. Vit C a couple of hours after the Iodine, check!

Thanks a lot.

 

[Lilou]

What about the 3 drops of iodine in the salt water? That works, yes? I would most probably take the remaining 2 drops in the evening, after work. Vit C a couple of hours after the Iodine, check!

Thanks a lot.

I would drink the salt water separate. I use only a shot of water with the Lugol's, about 1/4 c. So it is more like taking medicine, not sipping a big ol' glass of water. The salt water, I use only about 1/2 c of water and down it pretty quickly too.

I would advise against not taking the Lugol's after 4pm. I did a dose after work one evening, and was up till 3:30 am, but did get all my accounting done! So better to take the second dose earlier if you don't want to be up late.

 

[s-kur]

Perhaps it was already mentioned elsewhere, but I just wanted to make sure if it's ok to use Lugol's 10% solution with glycerin (in one gram of solution 0.01 gram of iodine and 0.02 gram of iodide, and the rest is distilled water and glycerin)? This is the only one we have here in stores.

Also, got B3, but no separate B2, just as part of the complex. Which is ok too, I guess.

Correct me if I'm wrong please.

Well, but I didn't say 100 ml. The description of the solution indeed says that for every 1gram of the substance, there is 0.01 gram of iodine and 0.02 gram of iodide. So how much is it in percentages? My math skills are not really great.

As for glycirin, they add it to the solution to make it thicker, and indeed so it could be used orally. They do warn against internal use, that's why I asked, and the book doesn't mention anything about glycirin. Thank you. Gaby for the reply! In any case I'll do research first before trying.

Well, I consider this quite simply: 0,01 I and 0,02 KI for 1 gram, so, the rest is water+glycerin (0, 97 gram).

So, having these proportions we have the same solution for 100 ml (calculated above X100) consisiting of: 1 gram Iodine and 2 gram KIodide dissolved in 97 gram of the water+glycerine (in my case it's said on the label that there're 94 (or 93) gram glycerine + 3 (or 4) gram water mixed with 1 gram I and 2 gram KI).

KI's iodine for 2 gram is 2x0,769=1,538 gram. So, 1 gram from iodine + 1,5 gram iodine from KI = 2,5 gram iodine total for 97 ml. 2.5/97=0,025 gram i.e. 2,5%

Which then is packed in different jar (10, 25, 50 gram, etc) but this doesn't change Iodine's concentration.

Hope it helps :) Do you have code ЛП-000474 for your solution?

 

[Thomas Alan]

Thanks to all for this thread. Great information, definitely worth some experimenting. I ordered Lugol's 5% should be here Friday, downloaded Brownstein's ebook reading it now.

I will need to add B2 and B3 since my multi vitamin does not have enough. I tried salt water for the first time this morning. I thought it would make me thirsty but it didn't and I felt better the rest of the day than usual.

My purpose in trying the protocol is to help with clear thinking, more energy. Also to reduce prostate swelling which persists in spite of using a prostate supplement.

I will start slowly with the iodine see how it goes from there.

Thanks again.

Mac

 

[Divide by Zero]

Thank you Kalibex and Gaby, the rabbit hole goes very deep it seems.

The reason I am asking is because two of my relatives suffer from hypothyroidism and I was going to suggest this protocol, as far as I know they dont have Hashimoto. But what Gaby says about Iodine treating autoimmune conditions makes sense. It also looks like Selenium covers this.


Also very important, one of these relatives is on lithium ( in fact i think that lithium might have caused her hypothyroidism) and I am not sure if I should tamper with this. If anyone has more information I would appreciate.

So far I found this paper _http://www.uptodate.com/contents/lithium-and-the-thyroid ( althoug they are talking about SSKI or Potassium idodide not iodine form Lugol"s ) :

"Signs and symptoms of hypothyroidism were noted in a patient receiving lithium carbonate for 2 years as prophylaxis against recurrence of mania and depression. When lithium therapy was stopped, the hypothyroidism resolved; but it recurred with the administration of potassium iodide. When potassium iodide therapy was discontinued, the patient became euthyroid. In a second patient chemical evidence of hypothyroidism (fall in circulating thyroid hormone levels, elevation of serum thyrotropin) was noted after he had received 3 weeks of lithium therapy. With the addition of potassium iodide, laboratory evidence of hypothyroidism became more pronounced, and clinical signs of hypothyroidism developed. All abnormalities resolved promptly following the withdrawal of lithium and iodine. These observations suggest that lithium and iodine can act synergistically to produce hypothyroidism and that the combined use of these agents should be avoided."

I also found this from _http://answers.webmd.com/answers/1183554/does-iodine-interact-with-any-other:

Lithium interacts with Iodine
Large amounts of iodine can decrease thyroid function. Lithium can increase iodine's effects on the thyroid. Taking iodine along with lithium might decrease the thyroid function too much. Do not take large amounts of iodine if you are taking lithium.

I remember reading in a thread a while back that lithium orotate does not have the same issues as lithium carbonate (which can be toxic to the liver/kidneys too). I don't think lithium is the issue, but that carbonate form that is hard on the body.

Here's an interesting article regarding both: http://www.onlineholistichealth.com/lithium-orotate-misleading-research/
She mentions how the carbonate and chloride salt versions have poor bio availability. To get the same effect, requires a higher dose.
So, perhaps the excess is what interacts with the iodine, affecting the thyroid?

 

[mocachapeau]

Is there any particular brand of Lugol's that is preferable, or any to avoid? Or are they all pretty much the same thing?

I am looking at ART Pharmaceutical 12% on Amazon.

I have just bought that one on amazon.ca:

http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B014UQN03I?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00

It certainly is cheaper, but only 5% concentration. If my calculations are correct, if you double the dose for the 5% solution it will still last longer so this would be a much better deal. (100ml instead of 30ml.)

The ART Pharm has a GMP certified stamp on the label. Do you think it makes a difference?

I don't know for sure but probably not.

I finally decided to go with the same one as you.

I found the manufacturer's site but it was only in German - not too helpful. But I saw that that brand came with an official product code and an actual expiry date, the two things marked in the other brand's description that apparently indicate that it comes from a recognized laboratory - not someone's basement.

I noticed that one brand on Amazon - J. Crows, I think - states that it never expires. I have to wonder if a quality Lugol's does expire, and if those without an expiry date are questionable, have questionable ingredients, or maybe added preservatives of some kind.

 

[Lilou]

[quote author= mocachapeau]
I noticed that one brand on Amazon - J. Crows, I think - states that it never expires. I have to wonder if a quality Lugol's does expire, and if those without an expiry date are questionable, have questionable ingredients, or maybe added preservatives of some kind. [/quote]

I wondered about expiration of the Lugol's, as I've had mine for over a year. Considering the solution kills darn near everything, it's not likely to go 'moldy'. I think the only thing that might have some affect on it, is exposure to high heat or direct sunlight, hence the amber bottle to help protect it. Like any "medication", government regulations may stipulate that an expiration date is required for certification in some countries.

I recently tried to order may favorite Atrium brand Magnesium, only to find a big red note on the sellers page, stating "due to high cost of implementing new FDA regulations, the company was forced to close." They will over regulate until all the small labs are forced out of business, and the big pharma mafia is last man standing with the real poison.