Iodine and Potassium Iodide

[Arwenn]

We have Magnesium as a sticky thread, considering how important Iodine is, perhaps (if the mods see fit) it may be an idea to make this also a sticky?

 

[Lilou]

[quote author= Arwenn]
Is anyone taking glycine as well? That came up in our Aussie Skype meetup, and I might look at getting some, if nothing else to use as a sweetner. [/quote]

I just got some glycine. I've used it twice, but haven't made it a daily routine. As a sweetner, it is acceptable, but may not be enough sweetness for some. There is a thread on glycine, in case you missed it. https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,39731.0.html

 

[Mark]

I started taking Lugol's today. Here's what I did, and the symptoms:

That's a pretty big dose to jump right to if you're not having any issues. I'd definitely skip a second dose, and drink another gram or two of vitamin C. More salt water will help too.

I've been having health issues for years, clearing them up step by step. But ya, that 25mg was most likely a bit too much. Had to find out somehow :) Anyway I remembered this evening that last night I'd taken a heavy dose of probiotics before bed, then this next morning started iodine. I think the probiotics played a big role in the herx / headache affect - very unexpected. I'll be reducing the iodine tomorrow by about half or 2/3 and go from there.

Just about done reading Brownstein's book too, so I gathered some great info from that.

 

[hlat]

I am considering buying this potassium iodide but I'm not sure. Apparently, puriss is reagent grade but the additional note of USP makes me think that perhaps it is good enough.

"puriss., meets analytical specification of Ph. Eur. BP, USP, 99.0-100.5% (calc. to the dried substance)"
_http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/product/sial/03124?lang=en&region=US

The company's grading chart
_http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/content/dam/sigma-aldrich/docs/Sigma-Aldrich/Datasheet/1/sigma-aldrich-grading-chart.pdf
"puriss p.a., ACS reagent. Exceeds standard ACS specifications with additional trace metals analysis."
"Meets analytical specifications of USP, FCC, NF, EP (Ph. Eur.), BP, and/or JP. Chemicals that meet the latest testing specifi cations of the United States Pharmacopeia (USP), Food Chemicals Codex (FCC), National Formulary (NF),
Pharmacopeia Europe (EP or Ph. Eur.), British Pharmacopeia (BP), and/or Japanese Pharmacopeia (JP). For R&D and testing purposes only."

I had bought two bottles of Lugols from Heiltropfen Lab from Amazon but they don't have a seal! Probably going to return it, do not feel comfortable at all in using it. Can anyone recommend a good brand of Lugol in the USA? I think I might just go with the J Crow, at least it has a seal.

This is the one:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00WTJUML2?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00

I'm using J Crow until I can find a better answer.

Just received 2 bottles (2 ounces each) of 5% Lugol's from Loudwolf Limited. $15 each- Really fast considering it shipped across the country. Etsy was the distributor. They even had an app for my phone that I could use to track the progress of the package. Didn't charge for shipping. Great reviews online. Looks to be quality product. I recommend them for US residents. They ship from Dublin, CA. Good experience all around.

I wanted to point out that the Lugol's sold at Etsy by Loudwolf is made with reagent grade iodine and KI.

When I was looking around for sources of Iodine and KI to make cheap Lugol's, I decided that the reagent grade wasn't as pure as I would like for something I'm taking internally. For something this important, I think purity of the ingredients is a big concern.

Loudwolf sells his/her Lugol's at a nice low price, but please, a heads up on the quality. It might be worth a few extra bucks to get something that's made with higher purity iodine.

The US DEA unregulated limit is 1 ounce of 5% Lugol's, so there's the possibility of unexpected consequences ordering from this seller.

The question I have is can we put anything else in the salted water? Because the taste is really bad. :/

I'm not sure which salt you are using, but for some time now I have been using Himalayan Salt (it's pink in colour). Added to water, it tastes great! I have no problems drinking 1/2 teaspoon of it in a tall glass of water.

I found that salt in a nice tall glass of water makes it taste fine, whereas the same amount of salt in only a little bit of water tastes really awful and shocking. Also, salt with chicken broth is delicious.

I ditched the Himalayan Salt and got Celtic Sea Salt, which is one of the recommended brands and also happens to be less expensive.

The bottle I have says 12% lugols, and lists 1 metric drop as 2.2mg of iodine and 3.3mg of iodide, for a total of 5.54mg.

Sounds to me like a 4.4% Lugol's instead of 12%.

 

[nicklebleu]

I was taking 8 drops of Lugols 5% (50mg) and noticed increased fatigue and headaches. So I've kicked it back to 4 drops once a day, and feeling better for it. I love the salt water, was having it when I started the keto diet, to combat leg cramps and headaches. My moods have been crappy though, so I might look at the L-tyrosine. Is anyone taking glycine as well? That came up in our Aussie Skype meetup, and I might look at getting some, if nothing else to use as a sweetner.

I have been using glycine 2-3 tea spoons per day as a sweetener - I like it, although not sure if it made a difference.

 

[Konstantin]

I want to ask one question.
I will make my own Lugols and i dont know for sure it this ingredients grade / purity are suitable for consumption

_http://www.ebay.com/itm/Iodine-Crystals-USP-EP-BP-100g-Sealed-Container-Sigma-Aldrich-99-9-/161800490742?hash=item25ac0f8ef6:g:8f4AAOSwd4tT-OmX

_http://www.ebay.com/itm/Potassium-Iodide-Crystalline-powder-100-grams-USP-grade-99-Pure-KI-crystals-/181759061377?hash=item2a51af2d81:g:WhoAAMXQ1ZhTi3Me

I must order from ebay because most of the sellers on amazon dont ship to Macedonia.

On iodine cristals it says USP/EP/BP

but when searching for the grades definitions i found this:

BP Grade - BP grade is also known as pharmaceutical grade and is analogous to the American USP Grade. These products must conform to the standards set out by the British Pharmacopoeia in terms of purity and lack of contaminants. These products are supplied with a COA (certificate of analysis or certificate of conformity) which shows that they have been tested and confirmed to meet the required standards. BP grade chemicals are generally used for cosmetic applications as they ensure a high level of purity and traceability, or when a higher grade is required for laboratory testing. Please note that while they may be called pharmaceutical grade, none of the products that we sell are authorised for use in food or medical applications.

Our BP grade products are supplied to us prepacked and certified by pharmaceutical grade suppliers.

So now i`m confused. Can i use them to prepare my Lugols or not ?

It's called a disclaimer. Just understand that in the US, sellers are required to protect themselves legally by putting up such notices. It's like us having to point out repeatedly that everyone should do their own research, but "here is what I'm doing/using..."

Yea I agree, with Laura here. As a matter of fact I would kind of be suspicious if someone didn't have a disclaimer on their site. With that being said on your first link you could go to __https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/AdvancedSearchPage.do and enter the batch and lot numbers. Personally, I would be ok with what I found. But just know it is 3 years old. If it's sealed like it says I wouldn't worry so much about it.

Results for CofA
__https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/Graphics/COfAInfo/fluka/pdf/rdh/PDF476567.pdf

Production Date: 18.Jan.13

Thank you. I`ll search a little more and try to find some other Sellers. If not, i`ll try to order this one.

 

[wattsup]

Hi, here is my "cook book" recipe

I'm on my 5th day.

Total products intake by day:

- Celtic Sea 3 tablespoons
- Lugol's 5% 50mg
- Vitamin C 4g
- Selenium 100mcg
- 500 mg of magnesium
- MSM 1000mg, helping me to get less joints problem

3am- 1 tablespoon Celtic Sea Salt in water. (I use my coffee machine to make my water warm)
6.5am: breakfast.
9.5am: Lugol's 4 drops, selenium 100mcg, I cut the pill in 2 because I had to much energy on by taking a 200 mcg dose.
10am: vitamin C 2g
12noon: 1 tablespoon Celtic Sea Salt in warm water.
1pm: lunch
3pm: Lugols, 4 drops.
1 to 2 hour nap.
5pm: vitamin C 2g.
6.5pm: 1 tablespoon Celtic Sea Salt in warm water.
7pm: dinner. 1000 mg MSM
10pm: magnesium.

Upon starting, with 100mcg of selenium, I was not able to get to sleep. Last saturday to sunday I slept only 2hrs. My body was like shaking inside of me. By cutting the selenium by half, made it better for me.

Lot's of neck pain as I can barely look back without it hurting. In order to help for my neck pain,
I've added MSM. Will keep you update if it works. Brain fog moderate to heavy.

I have fatigue as I cannot sleep more than 4 hours strait. Been like that for the last 10 years. That's why I've included the nap part in my list here. With my protocole, I see an increase of productivity but still have to take my afternoon nap.

Is there someone that knows a procedure for attenuating brain fog?

 

[Shared Joy]

It was mentioned before that not all people benefit from the ketogenic diet, as it goes for the vegetarian diet too!

I would be suspicious of any source claiming the alkaline myth and diet is the response. In fact, dietary fat stimulates the vagus nerve, hence, the parasympathetic system. This study was done with animal fat, if I remember correctly.

More info here:

https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,21539.msg225858.html#msg225858

Yeah, sounded like a load of bologne (or broccoli) to me. The first paragraph:

Though again, the details are beyond the scope of this article, Kelley specifically associated certain illness with sympathetic dominance, particularly digestive diseases such as ulcer disease, colitis, or irritable bowel. Such people can be predisposed to anxiety, but rarely suffer from depression, and rarely report allergies.

Parasympathetics, with their very efficient gut, escape most digestive problems, but are subject to allergies, asthma, chronic bronchitis, hypothyroidism, and chronic fatigue. They can, if the parasympathetic system becomes too overly domineering, end up in melancholic depressions.

I know several people with conditions that are included in both of the above, like IBS AND asthma. IBS AND hypothyroid, etc.

So, right off the bat it was wrong.

Thank you Laura, Gaby, for your opinion.

I posted this to see whether it can be used or not, as in many affections so many symptoms are overlapping that is hard to do a differential diagnosis.
Many times I have to rely on trying first then seeing what happens before taking the next step. This forum has helped me so many time to find workable alternatives.

I'm grateful, again
Joy

 

[PERLOU]

Un grand merci à tous pour vos commentaires sur vos expériences et surtout à LAURA pour ces explications claires et précises...
Je note que ce n'est pas nécessaire de prendre toute la liste des compléments...
Je vais continuer donc ainsi pendant quelques temps car je m'alimente Chasseur/Cueilleur, je ne fume pas ni ne bois de café et ne suis pas souffrante...
Aujourd'hui 8ème jour, pas de symptôme désagréable, je prendrai ma Vit. C plus tard, j'espère que tout ira bien...

A big thank you to all for your comments about your experiences and especially LAURA for these clear and precise explanations ...
I note that it is not necessary to take the whole list additions ...
I will go on for some time because I am fed hunter / harvester, I do not smoke nor drink coffee and do not'm suffering ...
Today 8th day, no unpleasant symptoms, I take my Vit. C later, I hope everything will be fine ...

 

[istina]

For some reason I cannot find xylitol in my country.

Maybe you can ask here _http://www.mojanatura.hr/prirodni-zasla%C4%91iva%C4%8Di.html

It is on sale until tomorrow.

 

[T.C.]

Warning on eating sauerkraut:

_http://acupuncture-santa-monica.com/thyroid-inhibiting-goitrogenic-foods/

Thyroid Inhibiting (Goitrogenic) Foods
Goitrogens are plant chemicals (thiocyanate) that can decrease the production or activation of thyroid hormone, meaning they slow thyroid function. These foods are commonly known as “Goitrogenic”, which means they contain substances which slow the thyroid’s ability to uptake iodine. If eaten in excess, these (otherwise healthy) foods interfere with the efficient function of your thyroid gland. For some people, eating too much of these foods alone will produce a hypothyroid state. At its extreme, the Goitrogenic effects makes you susceptible to having a goiter, or enlargement of the thyroid.

The strongest foods in this group are soy, millet, flax, and cruciferous vegetables. Some nuts and fruits are listed as well, but they generally have a milder effect.

The Strongest Goitrogens are Soy products & Millet:

soy
soy milk
soybean oil
soy lecithin
soy anything
tempeh
tofu
millet (the most goitrogenic food)

Moderate Thyroid Inhibitors – Cruciferous vegetables:

bok choy
broccoli
brussels sprouts
cabbage
cauliflower
garden kress
kale
kohlrabi
mustard
mustard greens
radishes
rutabagas
turnips
Mild Thyroid Inhibitors include:

bamboo shoots
peaches
peanuts
casava
flax
pears
pine nuts
radishes
spinach
strawberries
sweet potatoes
After seeing this long list, don’t panic… supporting the thyroid is about avoiding “excess” consumption of these foods rather than avoiding them altogether. As you are probably aware, many of the foods listed above are very healthy and many are high in nutrients.

In addition to eating moderate amounts of these foods, cooking does help minimize or inactivate the goitrogenic compounds found in these foods (since they are heat sensitive). Cooking cruciferous vegetables does not remove all goitrogens, but it does help. Here’s the breakdown:

If you steam vegetables, it decreases goitrogen yield by about 30%.
If you boil them for 1/2 hr and you keep the water, 65% of the goitrogens are removed.
And if you discard the boiling water, about 90% are removed.

* As a note, fermenting or culturing these foods, as done with sauerkraut or kimchi, actually increases the goitrogenic effects. Fermenting cabbage into sauerkraut actually increases the goitrogens that it contains, but it reduces the amount of nitriles, which is another type of chemical that’s present in some foods like cabbage that has a toxic effect on the thyroid. In fact, nitriles are even more harmful than goitrogens. And unlike goitrogens, the effects of nitriles can’t be offset by iodine intake or iodine supplementation. So with fermentation, you do have an increase in goitrogens, but you have the nitriles, which are even more harmful and not offset by iodine, cut in half. So we might say that the net effect of the fermentation of cabbage and probably other goitrogenic foods is either neutral or even positive because of the reduction of nitriles.

For most people, a small amount of goitrogenic foods are not a problem if you have enough iodine-rich food, or if you’re supplementing with iodine at around 800 mcg (or more) per day. But at high concentrations, goitrogens actually interfere with the incorporation of iodine into thyroid hormone itself, and this means that even if there’s enough iodine in the diet or through supplements going into the gland, it can’t be properly utilized, and therefore, no amount of supplemental iodine would balance the thyroid. Note that people with auto-immune thyroid disease should not supplement iodine as it may make the condition worse.
There are also certain chemicals which can have a goitrogenic effect on your thyroid function. They include:

Mercury, fluoride, chlorine, bromides, Amiodarone, carbamazepine, iopanoic acid, Lithium, phenobarbitone, phenytoin, potassium perchlorate,propylthiouracil, rifampin, sulfadimethoxine, and SSRI’s like Celexa and others

Based on the list above, below are some additional recommendations:

Consider getting tested for mercury levels. This is especially important if you have mercury amalgams or if you have some known exposure, including high mercury fish consumption.
Use a double filtration water system in your home to remove chlorine and fluorine from your drinking water. Some experts say that you can absorb a large amount of chlorine and fluorine gas during a shower, so it may be wise to get a water filter on your shower as well.
High Estrogen levels may also inhibit thyroid function. Consider measuring your estrogen levels if you suspect you have an estrogen excess.

 

[hesperides]

I started taking Lugol 15% at 7,62 gr/drop 11 days ago, starting with 2 drops and increasing another one each forth day.

My energy level has been quite good all that time, without experiencing noticeable side effects. Maybe just a little bit spacey at the beginning, but this would remit immediately with salted water. As has been said, women with loss/excess of calcium would see much benefit from iodine intake, and I subscribe to this since pain in my articulations has lessen quite a lot, and this from the first day on Lugol.

But yesterday and today, like the second day which I reported here, I had again yellowish well formed stool, without undigested food, and urine looks still transparent but maybe a little bit too yellow, not sure. Colour of eyes and skin is normal. 35 years ago I got jaundice, probably due to bad quality water in the form of ice put in beverage during a holiday trip. It could well be my liver detox system has been somewhat impaired since then without noticing it, so I really don´t know if I should stop iodine intake for a while or not. The nuking option seems to me too risky should the liver´s ability to detox have decreased. I wouldn't even ask here if any symptom would show up, but the thing is I can´t trace any unusual pain or sensation, and when pressing my hands firmly against the liver to test if it´s swollen and hurts, it doesn´t.

In any case, as per Gaby recommendation, I´ve been adding since the second day ALA, NAC and milk thistle to all other cofactors and thought everything was fine and dandy since symptoms disappeared in just a day after taking these supplements. I think I´ll stay away from iodine a couple of days or more until stool colour is normal and then starts slowly again. I guess if after that pause the same things happens again, then I´ll have to stop completely iodine intake and put all my attention on healing the liver first. That would be like the saying goes: too good to be true! I was sooo happy to see that getting much better and even fine was still an option; but let me see first.

In any case, I´ll thank anybody who may have more advises! I find it somewhat striking I couldn´t find any hint about this kind of liver side effects when following iodine protocol, although I´ve certainly read about success in treating liver issue from alcohol abuse. I still have to wait a month or two until I get Brownstein´s book though.

 

[ashu]

Oops I have been eating sauerkraut everyday with my bacon on day 3 of my iodine protocol, so I shall take that off my menu. Thanks TC for the heads up on that.

 

[Laura]

Hi, here is my "cook book" recipe

I'm on my 5th day.

Total products intake by day:

- Celtic Sea 3 tablespoons

Excuse me, but it has been said so many times, what part of 1 teaspoon a day do you not understand?

- Lugol's 5% 50mg
- Vitamin C 4g

Why so high on both the lugol's and the Vite C? Do you have a chronic or acute condition?

- Selenium 100mcg
- 500 mg of magnesium
- MSM 1000mg, helping me to get less joints problem

Why don't you hold back on something like MSM so as to see what the other supps might do?

3am- 1 tablespoon Celtic Sea Salt in water. (I use my coffee machine to make my water warm)
6.5am: breakfast.
9.5am: Lugol's 4 drops, selenium 100mcg, I cut the pill in 2 because I had to much energy on by taking a 200 mcg dose.
10am: vitamin C 2g
12noon: 1 tablespoon Celtic Sea Salt in warm water.
1pm: lunch
3pm: Lugols, 4 drops.
1 to 2 hour nap.
5pm: vitamin C 2g.
6.5pm: 1 tablespoon Celtic Sea Salt in warm water.
7pm: dinner. 1000 mg MSM
10pm: magnesium.

Upon starting, with 100mcg of selenium, I was not able to get to sleep. Last saturday to sunday I slept only 2hrs. My body was like shaking inside of me. By cutting the selenium by half, made it better for me.

Lot's of neck pain as I can barely look back without it hurting. In order to help for my neck pain,
I've added MSM. Will keep you update if it works. Brain fog moderate to heavy.

I have fatigue as I cannot sleep more than 4 hours strait. Been like that for the last 10 years. That's why I've included the nap part in my list here. With my protocole, I see an increase of productivity but still have to take my afternoon nap.

Is there someone that knows a procedure for attenuating brain fog?

Have you been keeping up with the thread???

 

[Laura]

In any case, as per Gaby recommendation, I´ve been adding since the second day ALA, NAC and milk thistle to all other cofactors and thought everything was fine and dandy since symptoms disappeared in just a day after taking these supplements. I think I´ll stay away from iodine a couple of days or more until stool colour is normal and then starts slowly again. I guess if after that pause the same things happens again, then I´ll have to stop completely iodine intake and put all my attention on healing the liver first. That would be like the saying goes: too good to be true! I was sooo happy to see that getting much better and even fine was still an option; but let me see first.

In any case, I´ll thank anybody who may have more advises! I find it somewhat striking I couldn´t find any hint about this kind of liver side effects when following iodine protocol, although I´ve certainly read about success in treating liver issue from alcohol abuse. I still have to wait a month or two until I get Brownstein´s book though.

Definitely taking NAC, ALA and milk thistle can help the liver. As you said, you may need to do pulse doses and keep a constant liver support thing going.