Iodine and Potassium Iodide

[Goemon_]

A warm glass of salt water with fresh lemon is quite good first thing in the morning. I'm interested in making Lugols myself if anyone figures out where to get quality ingredients here in the US. I've read the entire thread and looked on Amazon for the book which is pricey. I will prolly have to get the online version. Today will be day three of 4 drops 5% Lugols. Nothing much to report. Mood and energy are good.

The book (paperback) is $18 + $5 (shipping whitin the US) on https://www.drbrownstein.com

 

[Seppo Ilmarinen]

I'm on the second week using lugol's. At the moment i'm taking 13mg a day, plus salt water, magnesium and vitamin C (not the same time). Also testing with co-factors since yesterday. I took 50mg dose last week but had too much brain fog, low energy, and anxiety, so now i'm taking it slow. There's also been some occasional sore throat/flu symptoms on a few days during this time. I'm taking lugol's 5 days and then 2 days off. The present 5 drop of 2% lugol's seems right for me. I have more energy and detox effects are minor. My wife has also started taking the same amount of lugol's.

 

[genero81]

A warm glass of salt water with fresh lemon is quite good first thing in the morning. I'm interested in making Lugols myself if anyone figures out where to get quality ingredients here in the US. I've read the entire thread and looked on Amazon for the book which is pricey. I will prolly have to get the online version. Today will be day three of 4 drops 5% Lugols. Nothing much to report. Mood and energy are good.

The book (paperback) is $18 + $5 (shipping whitin the US) on https://www.drbrownstein.com

Perfect! Thanks I will order it today.

 

[Shared Joy]

I wanted to add another piece of data. I've been struggling with symptoms of pain, lethargy, muscle pain/weakness, unable to get out of bed without a struggle, low moods and sensitivity to sound.
I'm only taking 6mg of lugols daily, and the symptoms where getting progressively worse, especially on days off from taking lugols.

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Given we would have been getting this from our diet, it seems that this may be an important co-factor especially if you are struggling with low doses of iodine.
1 cup of seaweed/spirulinal has the highest level of dietry Tyrosine, at 2g.

I can only describe taking the Tyrosine as massively energizing (way more than caffeine ever was, without the jitters), and it completely cleared up the physical symptoms.
The energy lasts for hours, and I can handle the cold without even noticing it. Infact my body temperature went up (or so it seemed).

Be careful if you have high blood pressure (as Tyrosine increases blood pressure), and earlier in the thread Gaby mentions not taking Tyrosine if you have breast cancer.

This is interesting. So, some folks should be adding tyrosine to the co-factors you think?

You say "6mg of lugols". What percent and how many drops is that?

Hi Laura, RedFox,
I just want to mention here, that I also take some Chlorella and I have no problems with detox reactions. Yesterday I forgot to take it, and the bowel movements were lazy and my tummy was also dsiturbed.

allow me to share what I do:

Start with warm salty water, early in the morning
After that 1 take 1 tablespoon of coconut oil, 1 teaspoon turmeric, 1 pinch of black pepper.

After 1hour I take 1 teaspoon Chlorella powder with water

After 1/2 have breakfast
Right after breakfast I take the selenium, B2B3 vitamins,NAC,bromelain,and coriander tincture drops with water and some vinegar.
Also milk thistle.

Salty water after 2 hours

Late afternoon vitamin C

In the evening, before going to bed, I splash some magnesium oil on my skin and rub it in.

For a few days I took a double dose of iodine (2x 50mg - the second dose after lunch) to see what happens , but there were no notable detox effects, neither bacteria/virus activation. So, I decided to go on with 50mg/day. Maybe I will switch to serrapeptase which is a more potent biofilm breaker to see whether biofilms are present.

Anyway, I feel more energetic, my sleep and memory got improved, my attention span also lengthened.
Overall is OK.

Interestingly, a friend of mine also decided to try it, but he had some nasty, untreated bacterial infection. I advised to charge the organism first with selenium and cofactors, Vitamin C, salty water, and I also told him to take some Chlorella (dr Klinghard highly recommends Chlorella as it protects the kidney and sweeps the toxins out of the body). On the second day the bacteria already reactivated! So we have to see how he will take the iodine.

I think that the iodine cure is really a good way to go. Thank you all, for all your contribution.

Note. There is one more thing I would like to mention: going through some of dr. N Gonzales' writings, I came upon this article:

_http://www.dr-gonzalez.com/totalhealth_11_06.htm

where he mentions dr. Kelley and his research regarding cancer forms and dietary requirements related to the dominance of the sympathetic or parasympathetic autonomous nervous system.

Though again, the details are beyond the scope of this article, Kelley specifically associated certain illness with sympathetic dominance, particularly digestive diseases such as ulcer disease, colitis, or irritable bowel. Such people can be predisposed to anxiety, but rarely suffer from depression, and rarely report allergies.
Parasympathetics, with their very efficient gut, escape most digestive problems, but are subject to allergies, asthma, chronic bronchitis, hypothyroidism, and chronic fatigue. They can, if the parasympathetic system becomes too overly domineering, end up in melancholic depressions.

And it was Kelley who first proposed that cancer occurs only in a state of autonomic imbalance, and that each of the two extreme groups, the sympathetic and parasympathetic dominants, fall victim to certain malignancies. The common solid tumors – the cancers of the breast, lung, colon, pancreas, liver, uterus, ovaries, prostate – Kelley believed forty years ago strike only sympathetic dominants, never parasympathetics. In contrast, the immunological malignancies – leukemia, lymphoma, myeloma – seem to inflict only those with a strong PNS, never sympathetic dominants.

Balanced folk, Kelley claimed and as we see in our experience today, tend to be the healthiest among us, generally immune to the diseases of the autonomic extremes including cancer. In my 19 years of practice, I have never seen a cancer patient whose autonomic branches, when first seen in my office, proved in be in balance.

Though Pottenger and Gellhorn broke important scientific ground, each in his own way, it was Kelley who first associated states of autonomic dominance with very specific dietary and nutritional needs. Kelley proposed that those with a strong SNS do best eating more vegetarian, dining primarily on plants. The parasympathetic dominants are the meat eaters, the carnivores, who thrive on animal protein and animal fat in all its forms - saturated, unsaturated and even cholesterol - while doing poorly on excessive amounts of fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds and grains. These are the patients that just can’t tolerate grains.

Balanced people, in between the two autonomic extremes, do well at a buffet (preferably organic of course) choosing and eating a variety of natural food types of both plant and animal origin, including fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, whole grains, eggs, dairy, fish, poultry, and red meat (though not nearly in the quantities needed by a typical parasympathetic dominant).

So, Kelley had come to associate each of the three autonomic groups with specific dietary needs and specific illnesses. But, inquisitive scientist that he was, Kelley took his evolving model of human biology to the next level, explaining why this should be the case, why each autonomic type seemed to require, for optimal health, a unique diet, so different from the optimal diets of the other two groups. Carefully, with the help of the scientific literature, he began to put the pieces of this complicated metabolic jigsaw puzzle together, a process we have continued ourselves to this day.

If we look first at the details of a vegetarian type diet, plant foods provide nutrients that neutralize metabolic acids, and ultimately push the blood and body fluids in an alkaline direction. In an alkaline environment, sympathetic activity slows dramatically, while parasympathetic firing strongly perks up. In addition, plant foods of various sorts, whether fruit or vegetable, provide certain minerals in large amounts such as magnesium and potassium, which together serve to slow down the sympathetics and rev up the parasympathetics. Such thoughts aren’t just from Kelley: academic physiologists have known for years that magnesium does block sympathetic activity, and potassium directly stimulates the PNS into action.

Certain B vitamins richly supplied in plant foods, such as thiamin, riboflavin and folic acid, stimulate the parasympathetics and block sympathetic firing. And nuts, seeds, grains and even leafy greens provide large amounts of linoleic acid, an essential omega 6, which similarly inhibits the sympathetics and turns on the parasympathetics.

So, if we put all this information together, a vegetarian type diet, because of its alkalinizing effect, because of its specific nutritional profile, its collection of minerals, vitamins, and fatty acids, will tend to slow down sympathetic activity, turn on the parasympathetics and bring the out of balance autonomic system of a sympathetic dominant into, or at least toward, balance. As the autonomic branches move into equilibrium, the various tissues, organs and glands work more efficiently and appropriately, none too strong nor too weak. Health improves, and disease, whatever it may be, tends to regress.

Red meat contains large amounts of sulfates and phosphates which in the body quickly convert into sulfuric and phosphoric acid, both of which, like any metabolic acid, strongly stimulate the SNS. In addition, the four amino acids phenylalanine, tyrosine, aspartic and glutamic acid, which red meat provides in abundant quantities, one way or another do the same. Phenylalanine and tyrosine specifically serve as precursors to the neurotransmitter norepinephrine, without which the SNS can do nothing, and aspartic and glutamic acid each turn on the sympathetic centers of the hypothalamus. Certain B vitamins, like B12, found in red meat exert similar influences, activating the sympathetics, and blocking the PNS. The saturated fatty acids richly supplied in red meat, often seen as one of its detriments, also powerfully stimulate the sympathetic nerves. So for all these reasons – its acidifying effect, its amino acid, vitamin and fatty acid profile, red meat perfectly suits the needs of a parasympathetic dominant, acting to stimulate the weak SNS, toning down the overly strong PNS, and bringing the two autonomic branches – and the various tissues, organs, and glands - into more efficient equilibrium. With such balance, once again, health improves, disease tends to regress.

A diet providing both plant and animal products in roughly equal amounts yields nutrients that stimulate and suppress both autonomic branches. For a balanced metabolizer, born into sympathetic-parasympathetic equality, a variety of foods will help maintain their inherent physiologic status quo.

We, like Kelley before us, use not only diet, but also supplements, with the specific aim in each patient to move their SNS and PNS into harmony. In the alternative medical world, practitioners prescribe many supplements for many reasons, but in our office autonomic balance remains always the primary goal. For our vegetarian, sympathetic dominant patients, we generally recommend very large doses of magnesium, some potassium, but very little calcium, which we find stimulates the sympathetic nerves into action. For these people we also prescribe chromium and manganese, which have a similar parasympathetisizing effect. We also find useful the B vitamins, like thiamin, riboflavin and folate, which specifically suppress the sympathetic nerves and stimulate the PNS. We suggest these patients avoid certain Bs like B12, inositol and choline, which to the contrary stimulate sympathetic activity.

Our parasympathetics, in terms of supplements, usually do best with large amounts of calcium, but must avoid all but the smallest doses of magnesium and potassium, each of which would only serve to stimulate their already hyperactive PNS, and suppress their already weak SNS. We do include in their protocols extra zinc, which we believe to be a sympathetic stimulant, but keep to a minimum chromium and manganese. We also limit thiamin, riboflavin and folate, but often prescribe fairly large amounts of B12, choline and inositol, each of which serves to turn on their weak sympathetic nerves while suppressing the overly active parasympathetic system. We frequently suggest for them fairly large doses of the omega-3 fatty acids for their sympathetisizing effect, often from fish oil as the most suitable source, but restrict to a minimum the omega-6 class.

For our balanced patients, we prescribe a variety of supplemental nutrients in moderate doses that stimulate and suppress both autonomic branches, including magnesium, potassium, calcium, chromium, manganese and zinc, all the Bs, and a mixture of fatty acids, both the omega-3 and omega-6 varieties. In this way, their inherent autonomic balance stays steady, in place, moving neither into sympathetic nor parasympathetic extreme. We try to keep them exactly where they should be, in balance.

For our cancer patients, as with all our patients, we use diet and various nutrients, including the minerals, trace elements, vitamins and fatty acids to push their ANS into equilibrium. Though autonomic balancing remains a crucial goal for our cancer patients, as Kelley believed decades ago, and as we believe today, it is not in and of itself sufficient to beat the disease once it has become firmly established. All our cancer patients, regardless of their autonomic profile, must also take, in addition to their other supplements, large quantities of orally ingested pancreatic enzymes derived from the pig pancreas, for a direct anti-cancer effect. This enzyme product remains the mainstay of our cancer protocols, as it was for Kelley, based on the work of the brilliant Scottish scientist, Dr. John Beard. It was Beard who first suggested to the consternation of the medical world that pancreatic proteolytic enzymes represent the body’s main defense against cancer and would be the ideal treatment of the disease.

It was mentioned before that not all people benefit from the ketogenic diet, as it goes for the vegetarian diet too! Maybe this is why.

What is your opinion? Did anyone notice something similar?

It would be interesting to know.

Be healthy and safe everyone!
Joy

 

[Corvus]

So it appears that it is not directly forbidden for small customers to buy components for Lugol from manufactures (for now ) but a product with iodine component can not be produced for you (unless your doctor prescribes it for you).

So you order it from amazon, if you re willing to risk.

 

[Woodsman]

My vial of Lugol's arrived yesterday.

It seems to have suffered a bit of a leak during transit. The bottle was still sealed, but the white label had been stained red and the glass exterior was crusty with dried salts. I'm guessing it didn't do well in a low-pressure airplane cargo bay. Anyway, it only lost about a tenth of its volume and appears otherwise to be fine.

It's a 5% formula, and I started with 5 drops for a 12 mg dose.

I've experienced no change yet, but it's only been half a day. We'll see what happens!

Also.., for Selenium, I've been eating a few Brazil Nuts. Apparently 2 of them can supply around 200 micrograms. I have to explore that a bit more to know if I'm actually getting what I need, or just eating nuts...

 

[Gaby]

I can only describe taking the Tyrosine as massively energizing (way more than caffeine ever was, without the jitters), and it completely cleared up the physical symptoms.
The energy lasts for hours, and I can handle the cold without even noticing it. Infact my body temperature went up (or so it seemed).

I took L-Tyrosine in the past and it improved my mood and helped me with energy levels a little bit, specially since I had to stop coffee. I might take it again, to see if I notice a difference. I think I was mostly iodine deficient.

It is the only "mood enhancer" supplement that I tolerated consistently over time. DLPA will have a good effect for 1 or 2 days, then my mood will crash.

With the iodine, you have to monitor possible symptoms of "hyperthyroidism". It might be the case that less iodine is needed and/or less tyrosine dose is needed.

 

[Gaby]

It was mentioned before that not all people benefit from the ketogenic diet, as it goes for the vegetarian diet too!

I would be suspicious of any source claiming the alkaline myth and diet is the response. In fact, dietary fat stimulates the vagus nerve, hence, the parasympathetic system. This study was done with animal fat, if I remember correctly.

More info here:

https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,21539.msg225858.html#msg225858

 

[Laura]

Thanks Laura for making this clear. I was thinking oh my… is it really crucial and necessary with all these supplements.
So if I get you right, u are saying that if you are a well functioning and have no serious health issues you are dealing with in particular, then start just by adding odine/potassium iodide to your daily routine and see if it has positive effects on you?

If you are the grand holder of a big list of health-issues, you might wanna take supplements right from the start or in case you don't get much effect from the odine/potassium iodide itself after some time?

Is that correctly understood?

Yup. Perzactly.

 

[Laura]

It was mentioned before that not all people benefit from the ketogenic diet, as it goes for the vegetarian diet too!

I would be suspicious of any source claiming the alkaline myth and diet is the response. In fact, dietary fat stimulates the vagus nerve, hence, the parasympathetic system. This study was done with animal fat, if I remember correctly.

More info here:

https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,21539.msg225858.html#msg225858

Yeah, sounded like a load of bologne (or broccoli) to me. The first paragraph:

Though again, the details are beyond the scope of this article, Kelley specifically associated certain illness with sympathetic dominance, particularly digestive diseases such as ulcer disease, colitis, or irritable bowel. Such people can be predisposed to anxiety, but rarely suffer from depression, and rarely report allergies.

Parasympathetics, with their very efficient gut, escape most digestive problems, but are subject to allergies, asthma, chronic bronchitis, hypothyroidism, and chronic fatigue. They can, if the parasympathetic system becomes too overly domineering, end up in melancholic depressions.

I know several people with conditions that are included in both of the above, like IBS AND asthma. IBS AND hypothyroid, etc.

So, right off the bat it was wrong.

 

[Carl]

Regarding tyrosine, I read something to the affect that part of iodine's antibacterial action is in breaking down tyrosine components of bacterial cell walls. I've not had chance to look into this but it could be part of the picture, in that taking iodine can lower tyrosine levels in the body?

Also a little update. I'm finding that 25mg is a good dose for me right now. Each day seems to get progressively better and I have more energy, feel stronger, more sociable etc. I stopped taking NAC in the morning, started taking probiotics/Resistant starch in evening, and upped my magnesium to 700mg.

I've worked out a schedule that works for me, and something similar might work for others who are working full time:
I prepare the iodine in water before bed, then sleep.

Wake 6AM - Immediately drink the iodine water along with B vit co-factors + selenium
Just before I leave the house at 7:30 - Pint of salt water with 200mg magnesium, trace minerals and zinc.
Arrive in work for 8:00. Take 1/2 teaspoon Vit C.
8:30 - Eat breakfast. Glycine mixed in with food
Around 12:30 - Some caffeine, before gym workout
14:30 - Another 1/2 tsp vitamin C and 2nd dose of B cofactors
15:00 - Lunch
Home at 17:30, pint of salt water
18:00 Small snack (usually sardines)
19:00 Take 500mg magnesium, probiotics, trace minerals

This seems to be working very well right now.

 

[Cosmos]

It is interesting to notice how many of you are having what are plainly bromine/fluorine/chlorine detox symptoms at fairly low doses.

It is very interesting. Brownstein talks about only 5% of the people he treated had detox symptoms and apparently he dosed many of them quite high from the beginning (12 - 50 mg or higher).

I also started it with a pretty low dose and low and behold, had rather strong detox symptoms right away at the first day. They are getting better now at the third day, I'm still at a fairly low dose but there is definitely somekind of detox still going on. I'll compile a more detailed list/summary about my experience so far, the next couple of days.

It indeed seems like the people here are WAY over that 5% mark in Brownsteins book. Why? What is different with us?

What do many of us have in common that could account for this?

Two things come to mind: paleo/keto diet and smoking. Anything else you can think of, physically speaking?

So maybe, on a diet like we are on, things go a bit different in the iodine department. What, how and why could that be?

 

[Windmill knight]

Yes, I also have Himalayan Salt. But I used only half of glass and it was a small glass. I will try with more water.

Hey Persej,

If you don't enjoy the taste of drinking salty water, you could try something that I usually do when I drink it. Basically, try to close off your nasal passages (if you can) while drinking the water and keep them closed until after you have swallowed and have breathed air out of your lungs. What I mean by "closing of the nasal passage" is to sort of push the back of your tongue up against the back of your mouth. If you do this properly you should not be able to taste or smell anything, other than experiencing the salty sensation on your tongue, which only lasts a few seconds. I use this technique when eating foods that I don't enjoy the taste of such as like pork liver :D

I've found that adding vitamin C to the salty water gives it a very nice taste. It's like lime with salt!

Added: The first glass of the day, however, I take straight with salt as right after breakfast I take the lugol. It's only later during the day or evening that I add the vit C.

 

[whitecoast]

So, I've been taking Lugol's solution 5% for about a week now. I started at 3 drops per dosage, taking one in the morning and one in the afternoon. 1-2 hours later I have salt water. I take 200mg selenium in the morning, as well as a mixture of liver tonic herbs morning/evening if I remember correctly. Over the few days I've managed to double my dosage to 6 and 6. I chose 6 since that's the threshold at which I begin to experience detox symptoms. It manifests normally as a slight nausea, which goes away once I have the salt. I feel an increase in energy and more heat coming off my body, so I think I'm making progress in detoxing the halides and heavy metals in my head. 12 5% drops per day works out to about 75g of iodine total, which is above the threshold needed for ferritin detox as well, which I've been needing for awhile (since I can't release it through other means).

As an aside, I found I really enjoy the salt water. It feels very grounding to my body. Almost like there's more feeling and heat circulating to my feet. The iodine probably has something to do with that because of the thyroid.

 

[trendsetter37]

I want to ask one question.
I will make my own Lugols and i dont know for sure it this ingredients grade / purity are suitable for consumption

_http://www.ebay.com/itm/Iodine-Crystals-USP-EP-BP-100g-Sealed-Container-Sigma-Aldrich-99-9-/161800490742?hash=item25ac0f8ef6:g:8f4AAOSwd4tT-OmX

_http://www.ebay.com/itm/Potassium-Iodide-Crystalline-powder-100-grams-USP-grade-99-Pure-KI-crystals-/181759061377?hash=item2a51af2d81:g:WhoAAMXQ1ZhTi3Me

I must order from ebay because most of the sellers on amazon dont ship to Macedonia.

On iodine cristals it says USP/EP/BP

but when searching for the grades definitions i found this:

BP Grade - BP grade is also known as pharmaceutical grade and is analogous to the American USP Grade. These products must conform to the standards set out by the British Pharmacopoeia in terms of purity and lack of contaminants. These products are supplied with a COA (certificate of analysis or certificate of conformity) which shows that they have been tested and confirmed to meet the required standards. BP grade chemicals are generally used for cosmetic applications as they ensure a high level of purity and traceability, or when a higher grade is required for laboratory testing. Please note that while they may be called pharmaceutical grade, none of the products that we sell are authorised for use in food or medical applications.

Our BP grade products are supplied to us prepacked and certified by pharmaceutical grade suppliers.

So now i`m confused. Can i use them to prepare my Lugols or not ?

It's called a disclaimer. Just understand that in the US, sellers are required to protect themselves legally by putting up such notices. It's like us having to point out repeatedly that everyone should do their own research, but "here is what I'm doing/using..."

Yea I agree, with Laura here. As a matter of fact I would kind of be suspicious if someone didn't have a disclaimer on their site. With that being said on your first link you could go to __https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/AdvancedSearchPage.do and enter the batch and lot numbers. Personally, I would be ok with what I found. But just know it is 3 years old. If it's sealed like it says I wouldn't worry so much about it.

Results for CofA
__https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/Graphics/COfAInfo/fluka/pdf/rdh/PDF476567.pdf

Production Date: 18.Jan.13