Iodine and Potassium Iodide

[PERLOU]

Merci pour tous vos partages passionnants...
Voilà une semaine 7ème jour, ce matin j'y suis allée plus doucement et espacer davantage les produits...
6h eau salée Celtique
7h Vitamine B3 complex
7h30 Petit déjeuner thé avec 2 cuillerée à café de Glycine
9h45 Lugol 12% 5 gouttes
Aucun symptôme aujourd'hui...
Je viens de recevoir Vitaline C Acide Ascorbique, j'ai lu vos recommandations une petite cuillerée 4/5g 1heure après Lugol...
Est-ce correct ?...
J'ai lu avec la traduction Google mais pas très claire : on peut prendre la Vit C avec l'eau salée et sélénium, le tout dans le même verre d'eau ?...
Merci pour vos réponse et me corriger si je ne fais pas bien...
J'avoue avoir un peu peur car hier matin je n'étais vraiment pas bien mais ça c'est passé après quelques heures et ma journée a été bonne ensuite...
Mais il faut encore ajouter un roduit Vit C. et j'avais envie de me commander du sélénium 200mcg (pas plus!) à prendre avec la Vit. C 1huere après Lugol...
Ça correspond à quoi dans une petite cuillère à café ?... Merci pour tout...

Thank you for all your shares exciting ...
That is a seventh day week, this morning I went more smoothly and more space Products ...
6h saltwater Celtic
7am Vitamin B3 complex
7:30 am breakfast with tea 2 teaspoon Glycine
9:45 Lugol 5 drops 12%
No symptoms today ...
I just received Vitaline C Ascorbic Acid, I read your recommendations 4 teaspoon / 5 g 1 hour after Lugol ...
Is it correct ?...
I read with the Google translation, but not very clear: one can take Vit C with salt water and selenium, all in the same glass of water ...?
Thank you for your answer and correct me if I do not do well ...
I admit to being a little scared because yesterday morning I was not really good, but it happened after a few hours and my day was good then ...
But we must add a roduct Lives C.et I wanted to order me 200mcg of selenium (not more!) To take with Vit. C 1huere after Lugol ...
It corresponds to what in a small teaspoon? ... Thank you for everything ...

 

[PERLOU]

Laura, à part l’eau salée au lever et votre thé avec glycine pour le sucrer, si j'ai bien compris, vous prenez tout en même temps ?...
J'ai cru qu'hier, mes malaises étaient dus au fait d'avoir pris en même temps B 3 Complex avec thé et Glycine...
Pour la Vit. C, vous la prenez dans un verre d'eau ?... Merci pour vos lumières...

Laura, except salt water at sunrise and glycine with your tea to sweeten, if I understand, you take everything together? ...
I thought yesterday, my discomfort was due to having taken with B 3 Glycine Complex with tea and ...
For Vit. C, you take it in a glass of water? ... Thank you for your lights ...

 

[RedFox]

I wanted to add another piece of data. I've been struggling with symptoms of pain, lethargy, muscle pain/weakness, unable to get out of bed without a struggle, low moods and sensitivity to sound.
I'm only taking 6mg of lugols daily, and the symptoms where getting progressively worse, especially on days off from taking lugols.
I was craving chocolate and even considered trying coffee again.
I'm taking the co-factors and salt water. Salt water and hydration helps a little, vitamin helps a little more. But overall my nervous system felt completely oversensitised.
So I went looking to see if it was something other than 'bromide detox'.

The following notes were shared on this show: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sottradionetwork/2015/05/04/the-health-and-wellness-show--04-may-2015--mood-cure

It is meant to serve as a "map" to complement personal research (do read the recommended books!) and other supplement suggestions made on that show.

It is a very rough synthesis derived from this book, forum member research and experiments, SOTT and cass forum database, and non-forum experiences shared in my blog.

Mood problems can be roughly divided in 4 groups depending on which chemical pathways and products are affected or deficient {Questionnaires to identify imbalances on these 4 groups are available at moodcure.com. People often can relate with all problems, but usually the center of gravity falls in one group}
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2) Catecholamines (dopamine, adrenaline, noradrenaline) and thyroid problems

These are people who use alcohol, chocolate and caffeine as mood enhancers. They often feel apathetic with low physical or mental energy. They lack motivation, finding it difficult to focus or concentrate (ADHD!). They might need lots of sleep, they can gain weight easily and are easily chilled. They can have cold hands and feet. They tend to have addictions which seek to stimulate or wear out dopamine levels (cocaine, porn, marijuana, video games, ETC!).

Tyrosine ----> dopamine ----> Norepinephrine ----> Epinephrine

Supplements: L-tyrosine 500mg up to 3 times per day (if one dose is not enough) on an empty stomach, no later than mid-afternoon.

For those who don't respond to L-tyrosine: L-phenylalanine 500mg, 1 to 4 capsules in between meals no later than mid-afternoon. Stop if there is stomach discomfort or headaches.

Exercise really does change the mood in these people (I can personally attest it!)
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4) Endorphins

These are highly sensitive people. Emotional or physical pain really gets them. They cry easily and try to avoid dealing with painful issues. They find it hard to get over losses or grief and they crave pleasure or mind numbing foods with morphine such as bread and dairy, or drugs such as marijuana, or activities such as watching movies or reading novels.

Endogenous morphine-like substances.

DL-phenylalanine (DLPA) 500mg one capsule first in the morning, up to three times per day no later than mid afternoon. Specially if too much physical or emotional pain. It is a potent endorphin booster and usually works better if taken only for a few days on a row. Taking it chronically can cause a re-bound and/or worse effect.

Alternatives: A blend of amino acids (containing lysine, methionine, leucine, tryptophan, phenylalanine, threonine, valine, isoleucine, histidine) 800mg twice per day, no later than 3pm. 5 HTP also increases endorphins, but after a month of supplementation.

Vitamin C also boosts endorphins.

Nora Gedgaudas discusses the importance of iodine in Primal Body, Primal Mind:

Iodine deficiency is a broadly rampant issue and one that can impact every aspect of endocrine, cognitive, mood, and immune functions. It is easily the most underrecognized and widely impacting trace mineral deficiency problem today, an issue recently brought to light by two independent medical doctors: Guy Abraham and David Brownstein.

Although iodine deficiency isn't one of the first things that comes to mind for most people in cases of learning disabilities or mood and cognitive dysfunction, this mineral is so widely deficient (and so widely misunderstood) in the American population that it likely impacts most known health problems today and cannot be ignored as a timely and critical issue.

The thyroid hormones T3 and T4 are made up of the amino acid L-tyrosine combined with either three or four molecules of iodine. respectively.

Given we would have been getting this from our diet, it seems that this may be an important co-factor especially if you are struggling with low doses of iodine.
1 cup of seaweed/spirulinal has the highest level of dietry Tyrosine, at 2g.

I can only describe taking the Tyrosine as massively energizing (way more than caffeine ever was, without the jitters), and it completely cleared up the physical symptoms.
The energy lasts for hours, and I can handle the cold without even noticing it. Infact my body temperature went up (or so it seemed).

Be careful if you have high blood pressure (as Tyrosine increases blood pressure), and earlier in the thread Gaby mentions not taking Tyrosine if you have breast cancer.

 

[Laura]

I want to ask one question.
I will make my own Lugols and i dont know for sure it this ingredients grade / purity are suitable for consumption

_http://www.ebay.com/itm/Iodine-Crystals-USP-EP-BP-100g-Sealed-Container-Sigma-Aldrich-99-9-/161800490742?hash=item25ac0f8ef6:g:8f4AAOSwd4tT-OmX

_http://www.ebay.com/itm/Potassium-Iodide-Crystalline-powder-100-grams-USP-grade-99-Pure-KI-crystals-/181759061377?hash=item2a51af2d81:g:WhoAAMXQ1ZhTi3Me

I must order from ebay because most of the sellers on amazon dont ship to Macedonia.

On iodine cristals it says USP/EP/BP

but when searching for the grades definitions i found this:

BP Grade - BP grade is also known as pharmaceutical grade and is analogous to the American USP Grade. These products must conform to the standards set out by the British Pharmacopoeia in terms of purity and lack of contaminants. These products are supplied with a COA (certificate of analysis or certificate of conformity) which shows that they have been tested and confirmed to meet the required standards. BP grade chemicals are generally used for cosmetic applications as they ensure a high level of purity and traceability, or when a higher grade is required for laboratory testing. Please note that while they may be called pharmaceutical grade, none of the products that we sell are authorised for use in food or medical applications.

Our BP grade products are supplied to us prepacked and certified by pharmaceutical grade suppliers.

So now i`m confused. Can i use them to prepare my Lugols or not ?

It's called a disclaimer. Just understand that in the US, sellers are required to protect themselves legally by putting up such notices. It's like us having to point out repeatedly that everyone should do their own research, but "here is what I'm doing/using..."

 

[Laura]

Thank you for all your shares exciting ...
That is a seventh day week, this morning I went more smoothly and more space Products ...
6h saltwater Celtic
7am Vitamin B3 complex
7:30 am breakfast with tea 2 teaspoon Glycine

You only need 5 grams three times a day. That would be ONE teaspoon = 5 grams approximately.

Prolly should take your vites AFTER eating all together with iodine.

9:45 Lugol 5 drops 12%
No symptoms today ...
I just received Vitaline C Ascorbic Acid, I read your recommendations 4 teaspoon / 5 g 1 hour after Lugol

AT LEAST one hour. I prefer to wait several and just take it mid-afternoon when I need a pick-me-up.

Is it correct ?...
I read with the Google translation, but not very clear: one can take Vit C with salt water and selenium, all in the same glass of water ...?

I suppose you can, but I like my salt-water wake-up/clean out first thing in the morning and it is pleasant. Vitamin C in it would make it sour... don't want sour when I wake up.

Thank you for your answer and correct me if I do not do well ...
I admit to being a little scared because yesterday morning I was not really good, but it happened after a few hours and my day was good then ...
But we must add a roduct Lives C.et I wanted to order me 200mcg of selenium (not more!) To take with Vit. C 1huere after Lugol ...
It corresponds to what in a small teaspoon? ... Thank you for everything ...

Take the selenium and B vites with lugols. Take the C in the afternoon. It's very simple.

 

[Laura]

Laura, except salt water at sunrise and glycine with your tea to sweeten, if I understand, you take everything together? ...
I thought yesterday, my discomfort was due to having taken with B 3 Glycine Complex with tea and ...
For Vit. C, you take it in a glass of water? ... Thank you for your lights ...

Yes.

Get up and drink salt water.

Then I make a cup of tea which I drink sweetened with erithrytol.

Then I work for a couple of hours.

Then I go for breakfast. I make and eat it. Then I take:
lugols
B2
B3
Selenium
Zinc
NAC
Boron
D3
sometimes multi-minerals but not every day

Then I drink my second cup of tea with MCT oil, butter, and 1 level tsp of glycine.

About 1 or 2 in the afternoon, I have another cup of tea with MCT oil, butter and glycine.

3 or 4 in afternoon, 3 to 5 gram size pills of vitamin C because I don't like the powder because I don't want to taste it. Yucky.

Just before 5 pm, I have my last cup of tea for the day with glycine, but no oil.

Sometime between 4 and 7, depending on how I feel, I'll have a light dinner.

It's a very light schedule, works naturally with the rhythm of the day's work.

Since I'm not trying to detox hard, I don't do a second glass of salt water.

 

[Laura]

I wanted to add another piece of data. I've been struggling with symptoms of pain, lethargy, muscle pain/weakness, unable to get out of bed without a struggle, low moods and sensitivity to sound.
I'm only taking 6mg of lugols daily, and the symptoms where getting progressively worse, especially on days off from taking lugols.

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Given we would have been getting this from our diet, it seems that this may be an important co-factor especially if you are struggling with low doses of iodine.
1 cup of seaweed/spirulinal has the highest level of dietry Tyrosine, at 2g.

I can only describe taking the Tyrosine as massively energizing (way more than caffeine ever was, without the jitters), and it completely cleared up the physical symptoms.
The energy lasts for hours, and I can handle the cold without even noticing it. Infact my body temperature went up (or so it seemed).

Be careful if you have high blood pressure (as Tyrosine increases blood pressure), and earlier in the thread Gaby mentions not taking Tyrosine if you have breast cancer.

This is interesting. So, some folks should be adding tyrosine to the co-factors you think?

You say "6mg of lugols". What percent and how many drops is that?

 

[Pierre]

I want to say thank you for posting that. If there are other essential information, please let me know, and I will be having my eyes on this thread.


6am- Celtic Sea Salt in water.
8am- breakfast, multi vitamin.
10am- Lugols, B2, B3, selenium.
11am- vitamin C.
12noon- salted water.
1pm- lunch
3pm- Lugols, B2, B3.
4pm- vitamin C.
5pm- salted water.
6pm- dinner with apple cider vinega water.
8pm- magnesium glycinate.

You may want to wait a little bit more between Lugol and vitamin C. Something like two hours may be more appropriate because iodine and vitamin C neutralize each other.

 

[Laura]

It also bears repeating that taking all the additional supplements with the addition of iodine/potassium iodide to the daily regime was formulated for those individuals who were not helped by the simple inclusion of iodine, those individuals with severe energy problems, chronic or acute conditions, etc.

That is pretty clear from the book. Brownstein advises folks to just start including lugols or whatever to see how they do in general. Some people did not improve as dramatically as others, thus he formulated the cofactors.

So, for those who do not have a list of issues, just adding a few drops of lugols or some similar variety of additional iodine to the diet may be all you need. Yes, it is good to have a glass of salt water every day for everyone, but the whole list of other things is not necessarily necessary!!!

 

[luke wilson]

Update: 3 drops of the 12% lugols seems to be ok for me. I may up to 4 in line with that stalking strategy mentioned by Laura and see if I get a reaction.

One thing that I've noticed thus far is that I feel like I need way more rest. I'm not sure if that is a reaction to the protocol.

 

[RedFox]

This is interesting. So, some folks should be adding tyrosine to the co-factors you think?

You say "6mg of lugols". What percent and how many drops is that?

I think if people are having the problems/cravings listed and are on a low dose of lugols (1-2 drops), or perhaps have CFS/MS/chronic pain they may need the tyrosine. If people are still feeling cold or lacking energy they may also need it.

It may even help clear up some of the detox symptoms with those who have taken too big a dose? The body will still be detoxing, but any pain/neurological symptoms should be balanced out.

I am cautious to suggest that, given how quite a lot of people have gone too quickly.
It could potentially mask the detox, ending up with more skin related problems?

The bottle I have says 12% lugols, and lists 1 metric drop as 2.2mg of iodine and 3.3mg of iodide, for a total of 5.54mg.
I'm only taking 1 drop daily, and was still getting symptoms.

From all the above and observing what was going on, it looks possible my nervous system was in hyper sensitive mode due to the lack of tyrosine. So very minor detox aches/pains were amplified and debilitating. Or so it seems.
Mentally and physically everything now feels calm and at ease, with plenty of energy to call upon.

 

[H-KQGE]

This is interesting. So, some folks should be adding tyrosine to the co-factors you think?

You say "6mg of lugols". What percent and how many drops is that?

I think if people are having the problems/cravings listed and are on a low dose of lugols (1-2 drops), or perhaps have CFS/MS/chronic pain they may need the tyrosine. If people are still feeling cold or lacking energy they may also need it.

It may even help clear up some of the detox symptoms with those who have taken too big a dose? The body will still be detoxing, but any pain/neurological symptoms should be balanced out.

I am cautious to suggest that, given how quite a lot of people have gone too quickly.
It could potentially mask the detox, ending up with more skin related problems?

The bottle I have says 12% lugols, and lists 1 metric drop as 2.2mg of iodine and 3.3mg of iodide, for a total of 5.54mg.
I'm only taking 1 drop daily, and was still getting symptoms.

From all the above and observing what was going on, it looks possible my nervous system was in hyper sensitive mode due to the lack of tyrosine. So very minor detox aches/pains were amplified and debilitating. Or so it seems.
Mentally and physically everything now feels calm and at ease, with plenty of energy to call upon.

So what about taurine? Or reservratrol? Cilantro or chlorella? Curcumin for soothing muscle pain? I know this adds to a heavy supplement list but I thought I should still ask. Any of these or a combo based on an over-sensitive nervous system? Not to complicate things but I'm wondering also about those with methyl problems, that may be jumping the gun a bit though.

 

[genero81]

A warm glass of salt water with fresh lemon is quite good first thing in the morning. I'm interested in making Lugols myself if anyone figures out where to get quality ingredients here in the US. I've read the entire thread and looked on Amazon for the book which is pricey. I will prolly have to get the online version. Today will be day three of 4 drops 5% Lugols. Nothing much to report. Mood and energy are good.

 

[France]

Laura, except salt water at sunrise and glycine with your tea to sweeten, if I understand, you take everything together? ...
I thought yesterday, my discomfort was due to having taken with B 3 Glycine Complex with tea and ...
For Vit. C, you take it in a glass of water? ... Thank you for your lights ...

Yes.

Get up and drink salt water.

Then I make a cup of tea which I drink sweetened with erithrytol.

Then I work for a couple of hours.

Then I go for breakfast. I make and eat it. Then I take:
lugols
B2
B3
Selenium
Zinc
NAC
Boron
D3
sometimes multi-minerals but not every day

Then I drink my second cup of tea with MCT oil, butter, and 1 level tsp of glycine.

About 1 or 2 in the afternoon, I have another cup of tea with MCT oil, butter and glycine.

3 or 4 in afternoon, 3 to 5 gram size pills of vitamin C because I don't like the powder because I don't want to taste it. Yucky.

Just before 5 pm, I have my last cup of tea for the day with glycine, but no oil.

Sometime between 4 and 7, depending on how I feel, I'll have a light dinner.

It's a very light schedule, works naturally with the rhythm of the day's work.

Since I'm not trying to detox hard, I don't do a second glass of salt water.

Thanks for those details.
This is my 8 days today and I notice if I take the vit C two or three time in my day, two hours after logols or before logol, I feel better in my body, head...

After my 5 days of Lugol, my vision is different when I look the situation outside me, I can see more deeply than before and I can choose how I can help or not help. Judiciousness is better.

 

[DHTH]

Thanks Laura for making this clear. I was thinking oh my… is it really crucial and necessary with all these supplements.
So if I get you right, u are saying that if you are a well functioning and have no serious health issues you are dealing with in particular, then start just by adding odine/potassium iodide to your daily routine and see if it has positive effects on you?

If you are the grand holder of a big list of health-issues, you might wanna take supplements right from the start or in case you don't get much effect from the odine/potassium iodide itself after some time?

Is that correctly understood?

It also bears repeating that taking all the additional supplements with the addition of iodine/potassium iodide to the daily regime was formulated for those individuals who were not helped by the simple inclusion of iodine, those individuals with severe energy problems, chronic or acute conditions, etc.

That is pretty clear from the book. Brownstein advises folks to just start including lugols or whatever to see how they do in general. Some people did not improve as dramatically as others, thus he formulated the cofactors.

So, for those who do not have a list of issues, just adding a few drops of lugols or some similar variety of additional iodine to the diet may be all you need. Yes, it is good to have a glass of salt water every day for everyone, but the whole list of other things is not necessarily necessary!!!